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Go back in the history pages of both of these Comment Rooms and look at how much TIME, FURIOUS scripture listing, and back and forth, FOR AND AGAINST HELL conversation occurs.
Jesus went to hell and emptied the Old Testament Saints after taking The Keys from SATAN and took them to Paradise. If Jesus went to hell, then there is a hell.
I promise you that Jesus__DID NOT rescue Nimrod, Cain, Jezebel, Herod, Herodius and all the other wicked unrepentant actors that are DEAD IN A BAD PLACE.
Some days I don't even want to come in here because ARGUING IS NOT LIKE CHRIST.
TITUS 3:
3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
10 A man that is an HERETIC after the first and second admonition REJECT
11 Knowing that, he that is such, is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
Comment: The King James Bible has the word 'Hell' written in it. This is a King James Bible forum. Most of us believe the entire Bible is profitable for salvation, learning and sharing.
Proverbs 6:16
Proverbs 19:27
Wonderful summation on how we as Christ Followers should be walking with Christ.
God Bless You.
the day of his coming, Who shall stand when he appears for he shall For he shall be as a REFINERS FIRE AND FULLERS
SOAP.....HELL IS WHAT WE NEED . Its simply his love for us but also his judgement its his baptism of the H.G. AND FIRE.
Every sinner will have their part in the lake of fire as our God is a consuming fire. That is gonna consume our old
Adamic nature . Remember the Red Heifer had to be burnt to ashes at the door of the tabernacle which is our old evil
Adamic nature . His fire is the H.G HIS LOVE FOR US BUT ALSO HIS JUDGEMENT AND THATS WHAT WE NEED..Chris
there is not 1 person who is too good to go thru that baptism of fire which is the lake of fire another Jordan. Baptism
of the H.G. and FIRE. And even death is gona be cast into the lake of fire. Even in the natural we chastise our children
b/c we love them ,But hell the lake of fire is something we embrace , its what we need to cleanse us . I know that the
scripture says that hell is gonna be cast into the lake of fire ,But hell has another definition as death, its death ( hell )
that is gonna be cast into the lake of fire as our God is a consuming fire as the Spirit of LIFE in Christ Jesus has made us
free from that law of sin and death ....As MAL. 3 : 2 SAYS WHO SHALL ABIDE THE DAY OF HIS COMING, WHO SHALL
STAND WHEN HE APPEARS FOR HE SHALL BE AS A REFINERS FIRE AND FULLERS SOAP Hell is our cleanser spritually.
the law of sin and death
2 Chronicles 20:1-4, Ezra 8:21-22, Esther 3: , Esther 4:1,3,7,8,11,14,16, Isaiah 58:6-14, Jeremiah 36:7-10, Joel 1:12-15, Joel 2:15,
Jonah 3:3-6,
Matthew 6:16-18, Matthew 9:14-15, Mark 2:18-20, Luke 5:33-35,
especially 4 where it is the GOODNESS OF GOD that leads you to repentance which is a change of heart towards the
one that did the good. I'm aware the Jesus taught about the consequences of unbelief but that was NOT all He talked
or preached about. He taught of how God is a loving , forgiving, tender merciful, all knowing, graceful, and full of
peace and life giving. He didn't dwell on the stuff of the enemy, when I've had the privilege of sharing Gods Word
most of these lost already are in hell [figuratively speaking in their minds the darkness of unbelief] then you love
them into the truth. 2 Corinthians 4:1-6 remember we plant and water in Love and God gives the increase also
judge not for thou shalt be judged. I know some one now that BELIEVES if she makes a false move GOD WILL PUNISH
HER and that's a lie, and she's born again! How can you reach out to others when your in a state of mental terror
thinking any little error you'll be judged for that's torment not freedom in Christ. That's what others taught her
is the way it is, somebodies got to be wrong and it isn't my Loving Father and that's the GOOD NEWS of FREEDOM
BY JESUS CHRIST! First announcement of angels to Shepherds regarding His birth PEACE ON EARTH GOOD WILL
TOWARDS MEN THIS IS GODS WILL. Last 1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men saved and to come to a knowledge
of the truth. The word will is Thelema primary objective or desire! The enemies desire is the opposite he doesn't
need help.
John 17:1-26,
Romans 8:14,
1 John 1:1-2,
Hopefully that is helpful
of what you believe, show who or what you love or look up to. Or to look cool and fit in, then the question is
fit into what? These are things to consider, this practice originated among idolaters in polynesian islands but
was actually all over and the people were identifying themselves with the worship of that specific deity. Our
identification is in Christ Jesus and or witness is our walk and talk in Gods Love that's our mark! Just things
to consider.
Matthew 26:20-25, John 13:21,
John 17:12, John 17:1-26,
Proverb 27:6
Revelations 1:1-2, John
Hopefully this is helpful.
to you, as yesterday was Sunday and we had Company. The Sorrows are indicative of Child birth, the manchild
which is the H.G. is gonna rule all Nations.....Chris we are all gonna have a baby via the seeds of the sower the living words of God . John 12 : 5 She brought forth a man Child that is gonna rule ALL NATIONS...The Child is the real H.G.
The Child of Promise and its this Child that is the Kingdom as he said unless ya receive the Kingdom as a lil Child you
You will in no wise enter there in
Thats y he mentions the babes and the suckling Thats the Children of the Kingdom that are gonna be born in us .
When he was yet on the Cross he was calling for Elijah to come and turn the hearts of the Fathers to the Children, his Children ( SPIRITS) THE H.G. The lil ones , Smite the sheppard and the sheep will be scattered then i will turn my hand
to the LIL ONES ,The babes and sucklings. Chris plz think on this Isaiah 9 : 6 When Isaiah saw the Kingdom coming he said unto US a Child is born ,Unto us a son is given
Thats y he always refers to himself as the son of man...Mankind is gona birth a baby Christ which is the H.G. the Child of PROMISE And he is gonna rule ALL NATIONS. GBU Chris
nor print any marks upon you; Aben Ezra observes, there are some that say this is in connection with the preceding clause, for there were who marked their bodies with a known figure, by burning, for the dead; and he adds, and there are to this day such, who are marked in their youth in their faces, that they may be known; these prints or marks were made with ink or black lead, or, however, the incisions in the flesh were filled up therewith; but this was usually done as an idolatrous practice; so says Ben Gersom, this was the custom of the Gentiles in ancient times, to imprint upon themselves the mark of an idol, to show that they were his servants; and the law cautions from doing this, as he adds, to the exalted name (the name of God): in the Misnah it is said (h), a man is not guilty unless he writes the name, as it is said, Leviticus 19:28; which the Talmudists (i) and the commentators (k) interpret of the name of an idol, and not of God:
I am the Lord; who only is to be acknowledged as such, obeyed and served, and not any strange god, whose mark should be imprinted on them.
Mishael: above is a Bible Commentary. My comment is that it is hugely expensive to have them removed later, with lasers.
After 20-30 years the tats are faded and the body gets flabby and you wish you had not been tattooed. Personally I think it's just as fun to get the TEMPORARY kind of tattoos. Why not Google temporary tatoos?
In the 60's we painted each other with tempera paints; like psychedelic color, glow in the dark, all kinds. Later everyone would go swimming and wash it off so parents wouldn't freak out.
It takes a lot of real life to make contact.
Most people feel invisible maybe, because of social media platforms. You know__we talk to them online but we can't really see those faces.
I met someone at church, and 3 times a week we'd meet at I-Hop and do ministry on UT Campus in Austin. It was wild at times.
We both attended Singles Ministry too. We'd bring some kind of food and talk about our weekly lives: work problems, family conflicts, dating disasters, dating tips, missionary type outreach.
It was just come as you are. We met in each other's homes. Honestly, it was the best!!
Single people need face to face inter-action. Explore successes and awesome fails. LOL.
One time someone brought a head of iceberg lettuce for food. :O we found peppers and tomatoes to make eyes, ears, mouth__and made hair with thousand island salad dressing. (Bring toothpicks). We took pictures for the church bulletin board. It was so funny!!
You don't get that kind of action on Facebook or Twitter. I'm not on any of that. I'd rather go over to Goodwill and talk to complete strangers about what kind of people dropped off "that tshirt" !!??
A favorite saying of mine, is: "I stepped out of the house, into a pile of humanity and got smiles and laughs all over ME."
If Jesus can pull little children into His lap and bless them with the oil of joy; why can't we? Our lives are so controlled; even our environments.
I have days when my joints scream obscenities at me, but I make myself ready to meet the world. GO YE SOMEWHERE :D
I'm gonna get a T-shirt that says, honk if you love Jesus, so they'll stop running me over in the grocery store, with their carts :/
May the angels kiss your sleepy eyes and keep watch over you :*
Pray drug habits will stay broken in the name of Jesus
this is my son and grandson and great-grandson
Thank you for standing with me
For 3 seconds I looked into Jesus's eyes, in a vision. I could not look away. His gaze was direct, piercing. Someone spoke 2 Timothy 3:5. The vision was gone. I was in shock but that scripture woke me up.
I tore through a 19lb Bible and I found out I was living under a death sentence for being an astrologer. For doing charts on Christians. Then I was shown hell.
2 Timothy 3:15. I was 5 when I became aware that someone was teaching me about God. We played and he explained the wisdom found in proverbs.
I was sort of kidnapped like Daniel; But by evil. My aunt was always around and she believed in all kinds of occult practices. I thought she was nuts with cards, crystals, crystal balls, aliens. I married and moved 800 miles away. ButI began 13 yrs of astrological & astronomy studies, seriously. My life hurt so bad I was sure there was something wrong with me. The stars would explain?
After I was born again for real and for eternity, I went outside one night, leaned back in the swing, saw the stars above and saw My Father. I cried out 30 years worth of tears. Jesus's eyes are burned into my brain. He's beautiful, not like any movies you've ever seen. He wore a white robe.
The Most Powerful thing you can do as a new believer is to read the Bible. He inspired every word in it. He's serious; He has a wonderful sense of humor. Serious as a father when it means life, or spiritual Death, or when we misinterpret Scripture.
Stay in the New Testament until you know Jesus's way of teaching. Discern Him. His Word will save your life and others, by what you soak up. Be a sponge. Do not SPEED READ.
You have to remember human beings were writing this down on scrolls and carrying them.
You can depend on Jesus's Bible.
I love you all! Mishael
Luke 22:67
Art thou the Christ? tell us. And he said unto them, If I tell you, ye will not believe:
Soo the clue here is that the Holy Spirit tell us today. And if we not see or hear Him in the heart now! How can some then belive that we shall see Him after? He is with us today, and stay with us the rest of our life. Whom will go from Him? And is not willing to live in the love that God gives, i said poor poor people
1 Thessalonians
Chapter 3
Stay blessed in His holy name Jesus Christ.
Earl, I don't know where you heard this translation thing about 'hell' from, but I believe it's false. Hell means hell. It's already translated and done so accurately. Are we expected to believe that tens of thousands of scholars who have prayerfully and meticulously translated the Bible over hundreds of years and all come to the same conclusion of hell meaning hell are all somehow wrong and only you are right?
I believe you've been deceived on the meaning. I believe this attempt to make hell into a different place has a hidden motive. I don't even have to be a Greek or Hebrew scholar to know what hell means because the Bible already described it so many times. It is an absolutely horrible place of suffering. No man can tell me otherwise, because I believe God over man. Jesus warned people over and over about it and what exactly can be done to avoid it. I have shared these verses before with you. They refute the anti-hell narrative. God is such a good God He won't let evil spoil heaven. Satan was cast out of heaven. Satan, demons, and his followers aren't invited in. Just like all the parables say most really will go to hell and few will go to heaven. Some should be a little afraid of this if they aren't genuinely following Jesus. God bless.
I find it interesting that Jacob was eventually resolved to accept what happens when he said that, "And may Almighty God give you mercy before the man, that he may release your brother and Benjamin. If I am bereaved, I am bereaved." Jacob was leaving the situation into God's hands. He knew he must send Benjamin.
In Egypt, the brothers are asked to dine with Joseph. Joseph was a governor, a high official. I wonder if the brothers thought it odd for the governor to be so interested in them. But they needed to meet with him to return the money and show Joseph that Benjamin had come with them. Joseph was very moved when he saw Benjamin. It had been over two decades since saw him last. I assume that they were very close growing up, having the same mother.
The brothers noticed when Joseph assigned the seats to the brothers in birth order. And they noticed when Benjamin's serving was 5 times what the other brothers' was. Yet they did not suspect that the governor was Joseph at all.
It appears that they let down their guard during the meal as it says that they drank and were merry with Joseph.
Perhaps, from what they had seen, the brothers may have believed that, indeed, God was being merciful to them.
1 Corinthians 6:19-20.
I think we will experience the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, but I think we will only "see" Jesus. God, in His essence is Pure Spirit, and does not have a form or body. But when Jesus was incarnated, The Son (Word) became flesh, He was born into a human body. It is a miracle and a mystery. When He resurrected from the dead, He did so bodily. When He appeared to the disciples after the resurrection, He did so bodily. And when He ascended to heaven, He did so bodily. He is in heaven forever as Jesus, the Son of God//Son of Man. So the Son did not shed his human body. The body was glorified, like ours will be. Jesus forever will be able to be seen in this body, though He remains fully God and fully Man. His incorruptible body is made up of flesh and bones, as ours will be.
We will see angels. They have spiritual bodies. The Father and the Spirit do not have a form or body. How we will perceive them, we don't know. But Jesus said that "if you have seen me, you have seen the Father." Our God planned it so that we will be able to see Him in heaven in the Person of Jesus. But, mankind, being made up of matter and not of only of spirit, may need to "see" God, and God provided for that in Jesus.
This is what I have been taught and I believe based on what I know of Scripture. I hope this helps. Others may have something else to say.
Good to hear from you. I, too, have you on my prayer list. I hope your heart is healing as God holds you in His.
Grace, you are such a good example of a prayerful woman. I am blessed by you!
We are called to repent, and I believe, like you that it goes beyond being sorry tat sin would send one to hell. It is a real about face towards God by His grace. He gives repentance, and we use our minds and hearts to want this change. We assent to it, and God does it for us. We will begin to despise our sinfulness, and desire to obey God. Isn't this what God has called mankind to do throughout all of the Bible since the beginning? To turn to Him to be saved? By grace our will is changed from being self-willed to being Spirit willed. There is so much more that can be said about the wonderful work of God on behalf of mankind. I don't think we can ever plumb the depths of this great gift.
I know that faith is necessary for salvation to be of effect in a person, but it seems that too many people do not get around to the repentance part of faith. I have heard people give "testimonies" where they recount their past as if it was their "glory days", almost boastful of the wicked way they lived. I, for one, do not wish to talk much about the ways I was not following what God wanted me to do, as if they are a "badge" of some kind. I hate that I did the things that are brought to mind by the" accuser or the brethren." And that is good that I do, because I am seeing my sins as God does, evil, and I hate it like He does. I don't say this to be self-righteous. I say it because I think that in this time many Christians have lost this aspect of repentance or never known it at all. So many have been taught such a minimalistic gospel message. Not to say that the gospel is complicated, because it is simple in many ways. But in our church fellowships today, too many people are afraid to offend someone about sinfulness, that people respond to a watered down "altar call" without much follow-up, teaching, or expectation that they are to "go and sin no more".
Great point! That verse can be confusing. I believe we could interpret this verse in two ways; "all men" or "those that believe." You seem to be interpreting it "as all men". It can't see it being both, so it is one or the other. I attribute this confusion being translation, or transmission of the message from Paul to Timothy.
I interpret it as "those that believe". Why? Because we have tons of scripture that reinforces "only those that believe" will be saved.
So yes, we can read this scripture and still believe in Hell.
Love to you Brother.