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Sister GiGi,

I agree, Paul is teaching the same gospel of Jesus Christ - as did the other Apostles.

In my opinion, Paul seems to have his own unique way of dealing with the subject matter, and in many ways I believe he sometimes confuses scripture in a manner the original Apostles did not. In other words, Paul creates controversy, where the other Apostles seem to agree and present the gospels in a much more clear and coherent manner. Paul can be disruptive, argumentative, and somewhat brash in his manner and his message. Paul is unlike Jesus, and the other Apostles. Maybe it's just Paul, or maybe he felt he needed to project this with the new Christians to get the message across.

Jesus handpicked the original 12 Apostles, and they spent 3+ years living with Christ as his disciples. I believe this closeness to Christ put them at a real advantage over Paul, as far as receiving instruction/teaching and loving direction from Jesus that Paul missed out on.

The original 12 Apostles literally ate,slept, and breathed God. Hard to beat that!

God Bless.

Earl, and I, you.

Hi Ravina Mathew 18:21+22 It Is Written

You are in good company here!

Dear Free,

I really do not understand your point here. Your post is rather convoluted. I would like to respond more to what you have said, but I gather that you do not want anyone to disagree with what you post. I may be wrong on this. But if I gathered correctly, then I will take that into account.

Dear Free, you know nothing about what I "see" in Scripture, as I do not know what you "see". Your assumption about me is incorrect. But you are right. No need to argue. I state what I wish, and you state what you wish. If you don't wish to discuss further, that is fine.

Gigi With all due respect the Apostles did not receive the revelation that Paul received directly From Jesus Christ

Paul was the only man that taught in detail the mystery of the Body of Christ the Church. It Is Written Ephesians 3:2-4

Jack,

To have a good understanding of 1 Corinthians 13:10, it would have to be taken together with verses 11, 12, and 13. I can share with you what is being taught here if you're willing to bear with me as it might take two or three parts.

You see, there's two phases here.



Whatever is now is in part. Knowledge is in part. Prophecy is in part. And tongues is in part.



But there's going to come a time when that which is perfect is come, and everything else is going to be done away.



Now some people say that which is perfect was the scriptures, that once the bible was finalized, we call it canonized, and the stamp of authority put on it by the early church, that when that happened, we no longer need prophecies and tongues and knowledge.



Other people say that it has to do with the coming of Christ.



But the Greek word for that which is perfect is TOTELEION. It is never used in the bible for the coming of Christ.



Some people say that it means Christ Himself. Certainly He is perfect, but TOTELEION is not used for Jesus Christ either.



Interesting that it is neuter in the Greek text. It is never used for the coming of Christ. It's never used for Christ. It's never made in reference to the bible. That's just a personal belief.



But TOTELEION, the word TELEION is the word in the scriptures that represents maturity, perfectness!



If you would like for me to explain how all this works using the last three verses, I would be happy to do so if you are willing to read a longer post!

Hi Ronald Hi again my position is one of confident absolution did study your numbers once didn't fit,

thanks God Bless moving on.

Hello Butch Good Stuff It Is Written

Hi Earl,

I disagree with your interpretation of course. Do you have other Bible verses to support your idea, because it seems like cherrypicking a few to try to make them into something they don't mean. Do you have kids? Let's say you have a son and you interact in his life- does that automatically mean he has no choices at all? Does that mean he's a total puppet with total subjection to your will? Or do you agree that it's possible for your son to still have freewill while you participate in raising him and being in his life?

It sounds like you're assuming by these 2 verses that you cited that God is an all or nothing type thing. That he either must 100% control every aspect of your life so you are just a robot, or nothing at all. And I ask: why do you assume that? Just as a parent isn't a 100% or 0% interaction, why assume God is that way. Yes, He can work in your life, especially if you seek Him and pray, but under no circumstance does he rob you of the gift of freewill which he's already given you. I've actually never met anyone who believed in that before, so it's quite perplexing on how this idea even came about, because I don't see any Bible verses supporting it.

For instance: Joshua 24:15 - when it says for us to 'choose' this day whom you will serve, do you think it instead means

that God chose for you? Do you believe you have any choices at all in life? Like do you have a choice to respond to me? Do you get to choose what clothes to wear or what to eat for lunch? I have that choice and I chose to follow Jesus out of my own freewill, so do some people like you not have that freewill, or how do you explain that?

God bless...

Hi Jack 1 Corinthians 13:10 -12 When that which is perfect is come is speaking in reference when christ

who is perfect comes back for His body the church which will be made perfect in resurrected bodies.

The key is face to face when we meet him in the air but for now we have the assuratey of

the spirit in us or the earnest or the token we are born again and awaiting the return then face to face then

we are going to know even as we are now known. Verse 13 Given all the things shared from the chapter the

greatest is charity agapeo[the Love of God in the Renewed mind in Manifestation.

Thank you for this explanation of parables. Jesus taught in ways for the people following Him to understand about Him, is Father, and their kingdom through stories that the people could connect what they knew about their life in those times to the spiritual principle Jesus was alluding to in the parable.

Yes indeed. Jesus said, I have overcome the world!

Thank you, Mishael. Good advice. I will take it under prayerful consideration. We love everyone on this site. But not that is posted is sound doctrine. Yet, it probably isn't good to let what one sees as error stand without a response that speaks what is correct doctrine.

You may find instances of the Israelites having "parades" after they had victories in battles. Or, in the case of Jericho, before.

Santa is a drawn from a depiction of the the Germanic/Norse god Odin, who rode around in a sleigh pulled by reindeer, dressed much like a typical Santa depiction.

St. Nicholas was a genuine Christian; a bishop in Asia Minor, who was known for caring for the poor and needy.

You could say that the Big Bang had a cause outside of itself. It did not cause its own event. That is why I believe that the cause of the Big Bang was God who existed without time, matter, and other physical elements such as force, heat, light, gravity, etc.

Yes, you will be forgiven every time you sin when you confess it to God.

Yes, some of Canaan's descendants migrated to Africa, but some settled in the land that God later promised to Abraham.

Some of his descendants stayed in the Mesopotamian alluvial plains. Some also migrated into the areas around the Mediterranean Sea. So all of Canaan's descendants are not necessarily of negro genetics.

I do not believe that Paul's gospel of grace was different from the gospel that the other apostles taught, since both were given it by Jesus-Paul while in the desert for a few years following his conversion, and the apostles received it from Jesus between the resurrection and the ascension.

Thanks Jesse, Your post explains a lot.

Amen Sister GiGi.

God bless.

Kari P.S. Just food for thought no place does it say for you to hate it says they will hate you, that's a big

difference unless I'm reading wrong. God Bless

Hi Kari Another point of view because they if their not born again won't and can't understand your

change devotion to what you consider now important, its not that I hate people who don't know or

don't believe its just that our commitment is to God first and foremost. We cannot serve God and mammon.

They may hate us but we walk in love of God towards them. That is the witness the change that what we

got captivated to at one time means nothing compared to our commitment to Christ. P.S. In addition to

what was already shared. God Bless

1 cor 13:10 when what that is perfect is come ?

Hi Bro Nice perspective! Learn something new everyday

David,

You are now going into scripture that has no meaning to this topic, and with the connotation of your posts, I humbly say we have come to a place to lovingly end the discussion; we do disagree on the rapture of the Church and being carried to heaven. All I did was point to a scripture you may study concerning the 70th week that is placed in this theory or doctrine that you may look at to study for the truth, if you are confident in this teaching with no need to study that is your choice.

RLW

That's why you just have 28 days in February..

The body of Christ started in Acts 2:38 on the day of Pentecost that's when the church was established

Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom, Peter got the revelation of who Jesus was, we are built upon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets Jesus Christ himself the Chief Cornerstone, Paul gospel had to be the same gospel that Peter preached, because Peter had the keys to the kingdom, Paul baptized in the name of Jesus Christ just like Peter baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, there's only one baptism that's in the name of Jesus, not the titles Father Son and Holy Ghost.