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QUESTION?

If you have a GOD, and call out to that God: can you be that GOD.

Christ cried out to HIS GOD, my God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me.

Can God (Spirit) DIE?

Were John the Baptist and Elijah the same person In two different bodies?

Thanks Jesse,

I have enjoyed as well.

God bless,

RLW

Re.11:11-12 "The Two Witnesses"

"And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them./And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them."

Isaiah refers to sending the word (Is.55:11)and it makes a full circle. In the parlance of the Spirit the Number Seven refers to completeness. Thus God sanctifies 'the day' after blessing man and his creation.(Ge.2:3)The Word sent forth covers three and a half days and the latter half refers to the work of these two witnesses which is when they ascend upto heaven in 'a cloud" age of grace comes to an end. Tribulation shall be great for this reason. Jesus assured,"For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be./And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

This whole circuit of the Gospel has baptism by water and also baptism by fire. "But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished! Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth?"( Luke 12:49-56) This division we see right now in our midst. A house divided between Israel and Gaza, both from the same Semitic stock.

The pillar of cloud by day and fire by night are introduced in the Book of Exodus and these makes a distinction between the Israelites and the Egyptians. In Daniel's vision we have the witnesses (Dan.7:9-10. Thus we have them as symbols and in relation to 'his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire."Of this latter His ministers is 'fire'.("Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire"-Ps.104:4-6) Martyrdom of Two Witnesses shall explain culmination of Gospel outreach from heaven(fire) and the earth (water)."

Hi GiGi,

I understand this subject is hard to discuss in a short post, to cover all the many Scriptures, some seem the point one way and others the other way.

Do you think Jesus is only a created human being? Of course not, He is the Son of God, the Messiah, the anointed one, Jesus is our Lord, our savior whom God sent that shed His blood for the remission of our sins. Do I believe Jesus had a beginning the answer is yes.

Do you think that the Son of God did not exist before Jesus was conceived? If you think that the Son of God existed before the conception of Jesus, do you believe He was created?

Hard to answer, Scripture tells us Jesus was the beginning of the creation of God, Rev. 3:4. Jesus could not be a timeless eternal Son and be the beginning of the creation of God, God has no beginning. 1 Peter 1:18-20 Jesus was "foreordained before the foundation of the world but was manifest in these last times for you". If created means to bring into existence the answer would have to be yes.

Do you worship Jesus? Jesus is the mediator between God and us He is the only way to the Father and is worthy of worship and honor Him, Philippians 2:10.

Do you believe that Jesus is divine? If divine means Jesus is God my answer is no. Jesus is the Son of God our Savior, Messiah, King, in being those He is divine.

Hope this is what you were needing.

God bless,

RLW

"God sent his word and healed them for their destructions"(Ps.107:20;1-2) God established his mercy and Psalmist speaks,"His mercy endureth forever/ Let the redeemed of the lord say so." Here the word of God covers the entire world. Water serves as a symbol for their deliverance as well as for destruction. "But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground."(Ge.2:6). In the wilderness the Spirit foreshadows the Advent of Jesus Christ, "What shall we drink?/ And he( Moses) cried unto the Lord; and the Lord shewed him a tree, which when he had cast into the waters, the waters were made sweet." Later we have Elim "twelve wells of water, and threescore and ten palm trees: and they encamped there by the waters."(Ex.15:25-25). The Spirit uses it to develop on of the Two witnesses of cloud and pillar of fire and these are angels ("Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire"-Ps.104:4-6) Martyrdom of Two Witnesses shall explain culmination of Gospel outreach from heaven(fire) and the earth (water)." And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them."(Re.11:7) Their power is backed by the Word become flesh,"and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days," The number is a clue to him.

v.4 "These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth." Zechariah vision is about Zion and by Min-Max mode of narrative Zerubbabel refers the specific to the end times."These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth."(Ze.4:14)

Hello Lee the Follower,

It is good to hear from you again.

Jordyn has not posted here in two weeks following the discussion he was having with S. Spencer. I suppose he will soon be back on here under a new screen name, as that seems to be a pattern for Earl Bowman, whom some of us think Jordyn is, since he would not deny that he was Earl when I asked him.

Fredscanlan,

Re, ""Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops, "is illustrated by a passage from 2 Ki.6:8-10 "Then the king of Syria warred against Israel, and took counsel with his servants, saying, In such and such a place shall be my camp./And the man of God sent unto the king of Israel, saying, Beware that thou pass not such a place; for thither the Syrians are come down./ And the king of Israel sent to the place which the man of God told him and warned him of, and saved himself there, not once nor twice."

So this was not any coincidence.God has spoken to us. "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,/Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son"(He.1:1-2) God sent the Angel of the Lord to deliver Hagar in her distress; so did God Gabriel,(who is named); He sent two angels who appeared unto the men of Sodom as men. "And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night?"(Ge.19:5) Here also we know that fo a fact,"Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares."(He.13:2)

What is knowable of God is known to man. God breathed into the nostrils of man and made him a living soul. God fashioned all hearts alike. Heart is a spiritual space and truth is writ in his inward parts and whether one reads and follow depends on his faith.

Jesus spoke the truth and said,"But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you."(att.6:33) "All these things" are part of spiritual gifts to know the mysteries of God.

Oops

I don't know how but I left letters out of Elohim three times.

The passages should have read as follows

The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD Yehvh, make straight in the desert a highway for our "God/Elohim".

Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before ME: AND THE LORD, WHOM YE SEEK, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD/Yehvh of hosts.

And

Isaiah 40:1-5

"Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your "God / Elohim."

Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD's/Yehvh hand double for all her sins.

The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD Yehvh, make straight in the desert a highway for our "God/Elohim".

Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:

And the glory of the LORD/Yehvh shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD/Yehvh hath spoken it.

It's interesting that you have Yehvh, lhym, and dn 'dn being represented as the same individual in these passages and if you add Mark 1:1-4 Matthew 3:3 and John 1:14-29.

Jesus showed up as a member of the Elohim.

please remember me and my family today in your prayers today

Thank you Fred! Some of our people began thinking a transition started in the late 30's. I am happy that some day the Lord's reign as King will be very plain. He is the Lamb of God.

Ronald,

Why the KJV translators chose to use the term "Godhead," I do not know. Other English translations also use the term Godhead. Where I see the phrase "fullness of the Godhead" being applied to Jesus, this tells me that He is the fullness of God who came in the flesh (in bodily form).

Colossians 1:19 says that it pleased the Father that in Him (Jesus) should all fullness dwell. So, in Christ dwells all of the fullness of who God is. All of the fullness of "Deity" dwells in the body of Jesus. God in His fullness was in Christ.

In Hebrews 1:3, speaking of Jesus, it says "Who being the brightness of His glory." The word brightness is literally translated out beam. APAUGASMA is the Greek word. It means the out beam of His (God's) glory. It is a technical term describing God projecting Himself through the time/space factor, and taking up residency in the person of Christ, yet while still being God.

In the Greek language, there are two words that are used to describe Christ and the process of God coming into this world. So, if I combine APAUGASMA with EICON, which is the word image, it's the same terminology in the Greek language that is talking about the source of light and power remaining the same. Jesus Christ who is the image (EICON), of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.

What this is telling me is that Jesus Christ is the projection of God through the time space barrier and has taken up residency amongst us as a human being, while never being separate from the source. This is the function of God. Jesus Christ is the projection of the glory of God. He is the APAUGASMA of God's glory. He is God who has projected Himself through time and space and has residency amongst us.

Ronald, I know we are probably going to remain in disagreement on this one, although I do enjoy our discussion. Please know that I am not ignoring your questions. I will take them into consideration as I continue on in my studies.

God Bless!!!

Malachi 2:17-3:1

"Ye have wearied the LORD/Yehvh with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the LORD/Yehvh, and he delighteth in them; or, Where is the God/lhym of judgment?

Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before ME: AND THE LORD, WHOM YE SEEK, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD/Yehvh of hosts.

Isaiah 40:1-5

"Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God/lhym.

Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD's/Yehvh hand double for all her sins.

The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD Yehvh, make straight in the desert a highway for our God/lhym.

Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:

And the glory of the LORD/Yehvh shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD/Yehvh hath spoken it.

It's interesting that you have Yehvh, lhym, and dn 'dn being represented as the same individual in these passages and if you add Mark 1:1-4 Matthew 3:3 and John 1:14-29.

Jesus showed up as a member of the Elohim.

God bless

Amen Brother Jesse!

God bless you

God bless you Chiefrobby.

We Certainly will.

Good evening Fred, Christian greetings. Just wanting to say hi! Hope all is well your way.

Hello folks,

We haven't heard from Giannis for awhile. I pray everything is well with him and will be back with us soon.

Great, I look forward to your reply because I want to hear you state your views instead of me or anyone else assuming. Have a blessed evening.

Hi GiGi,

Thanks for your reply. I will do my best to answer and give my understanding, it is an important discussion and to clearly explain my understanding even if we disagree. It will probably be sometime tomorrow, just want you to know I will reply.

God bless,

RLW

Hello David091:

I do agree with you concerning the modern versions of the "bible". The KJV is the only one to be trusted but I do want to challenge you in your belief that it contains errors. I know from other comments you have made that you are a

Calvinist so are you saying the KJV has errors because it doesn't that doctrine.

Do you accept the premise that the KJB was inspired by the Holy Spirit? (the word inspired first came into use in the 14th century and "it had a meaning it still carries in English today: to influence, move, or guide by divine or supernatural influence.") Merriam Webster Online. If the Holy Spirit of God was not able to influence the men who wrote the KJB, if He made mistakes, how do we know the men who wrote the word in their original languages didn't make mistakes? Since words of the ancient languages have different meanings, how do we know those men used the correct one, and why didn't the Holy Spirit correct them when it inspired them to produce the KJB? I hope you don't thing these are frivolous questions? You have probably been asked them before but I sincerely would like you to communicate with me on this. Bye

Thanks Jema.

I listened to Robert Morris

Devine Benefits Devine forgiveness Pastor Robert Morris.

"Be forgiving". 4 of 4.

"How forgiveness can transform your life.

I never heard of him but I enjoyed it and certainly would recommend it.

All three.

Thanks again.

God bless.

Hi Ronald,

Interesting conversation.

Your post caused me to want to ask you a few questions.

I hope you can answer them so I can better understand how you view our Lord, Jesus Christ.

Do you think Jesus is only a created human being?

Do you think that the Son of God did not exist before Jesus was conceived?

If you think that the Son of God existed before the conception of Jesus, do you believe He was created?

Do you worship Jesus?

Do you believe that Jesus is divine?

Your answers will help me to better converse with you on this topic. Thank you.

Hi Jesse,

Thank you for this discussion, it is good to hear salvation is not dependent on this doctrine I have been told in many Churches I have attended I was not saved and was a heretic and shunned.

You know Greek better than I, but my understanding is the word Godhead which was added in the 1500s was translated twice and is misleading. Godhead is in the Bible 3 times, Acts 17:29, Greek word theios which means divine, Romans 1:20, Greek word theiotes which means divinity, divine nature, and Colossians 2:9 Greek word Theotetos which means deity.

The verse Colossians 2:9, in Jesus, dwelleth all the fulness of the deity of God, Jesus was filled without measure with God's Spirit/Holy Spirit John 3:34. John the Baptist said God had told him when Jesus was anointed/baptized John 1:32-33. God dwelt in Jesus and empowered Him by the Spirit. God gave Jesus power and authority Matthew 11:27. In John 1:14 we probably differ, God in Jesus dwelt/tabernacled among us. God was manifest in Jesus, John 12:49 John 14:10.

Mark 2:5-8 in Matthew 11:25 Things were hidden from the wise and prudent, Scribes, Sadducees, and Pharisees were the ones accusing Jesus of blasphemy, as we see in Matthew 9:6-8, the same event multitudes glorified God. Jesus was given full authority in Matthew 28:18 and John 17:2-3 that we should know the only true God and Jesus Christ whom the Father sent, same as all the introductions, greetings, and blessings given to the followers of Christ in the New Testament were from God our Father and our Lord Jesus Christ and in Revelation 21:22.

All authority has been given to Jesus by the Father until the last enemy, death is put under His feet, 1 Corinthians 15:25-28 Revelation 20:14.

May our discussion inspire study.

God bless,

RLW

Is Israel God's country now and forever?

Jordyn

I have asked this question elsewhere but not sure whether you will see it.

Am I right to believe that I was married to the law but when Christ was crucified I was crucified with him (made dead) so that I can be divorced from the law and married to Christ? Is this what you were trying to explain to me?

Please clarify and clean up my understanding.

Thank you for your time

God bless.

Good morning Bennymkje, I can agree with your thought on our need to know much more than what the scriptures themselves reveal regarding the Angels. I noticed you mentioned a beautification vision as Stephen was martyred. We do not know much more than what God reveals to us by the way of the scriptures as He pleases.

Thanks for your excellent reply , I will say again to all though , check out Robert Morris lecture on forgiveness , I don't know anything about him or his mission , so if you've already decided that you don't like him for some reason , try to put that aside . He really does illuminate the subject . You are of course correct , we hurt from other people's behaviour towards us but , we must remember that we have hurt others , we may not even realise it ! Forgiveness is a massive part of the Gospel and a subject worthy of study . Thanks again for your reply , hope you have nice day :) .

thank you and God bless you brother

please remember me and my family today in your prayers

Jema,

Gabriel is the Angel of the Lord and also he reveals his name to Zacharias. "I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee,"( Luke 1:11, 19) He might have had certain freedom 'to play by the ear as it were; so he strike him dumb, "And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season."(v.20). The same after six months at Nazareth,"And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee."

From Daniel's book Michel seems to be associated with Persia as Gabriel over Palestine. " and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz" He is same as the mighty angel (Re.10:1) representing the Son, in Dan.12 we see him. He refers to Michael as his helper, "But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia./Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days."(10:13)

Compare with"Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates./And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men." (Re.9:14-15)

The four angels are released on command from heaven. They were prepared for partial judgments. " In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up,"(Ge.7:11)God's Time has its hour, day, month and year. But not the same our time scale. fountains of the deep work at tandem so we read flood came from above as well.'The windows of heaven were opened'.