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Sister GiGi, I have nothing against brick and mortar churches, God has them there to preach His Word. I am not saying that they don't preach the gospel of salvation, they do, what they don't do is bring the saved to the maturity of the Word. I have family members and friends that have gone to church 50 years and are no more mature in the word than when they first believed. I have numerous close relatives and friends that are pastors, but have no knowledge of God's word other than I'm saved and going to heaven. The gospel is, there is going to be a kingdom on earth. God is calling and choosing those that will rule and reign with them. How many churches teach this. There is going to be billions of people raise from the dead that have never heard one word about Christ. God is preparing a priesthood to bring the gospel to those billions, to judge and govern those people, God's kingdom. The only time you reside in heaven is the period of time God is gathering his elect (thousand years, not literally one thousand), when the elect have been gathered everything else will happen on earth. How can one be a priest in God's kingdom if you don't believe what he says. ( Philippians 1:29)( 1 Peter 1:21)

Hi Amy, my name is Emily and I wanted you to know that everyday I pray for my family and my neighbors and close friends to be protected from all dangers and evil even from death . I read psalm 91 and before I do read this to God I say all the names of family and whoever I want him to protect everyday and from what protection we need.. try this everyday and see for yourself that it does work. Even while I drive my car there are Angels that drive by my side to let me know not to worry. I saw a white truck that miracously appeared behind me while I was driving one day. And I noticed it appear as I looked back on my front rear mirror and saw a bright light flash , I saw the truck just start appearing on the road behind me. It's like it came out of this white spiral tunnel

.so I tell you that Angels do exist in this world.. I hope you read this and you will get to know God's heavenly protection he promises in his words. Amen ..,,,, .have a awesome protected day. God loves you .

Gigi I read a very inspiring book years ago that I endeavored to put to practice, about Abraham Lincoln

called Man of Steel and Velvet. It was enough to understand what he was up against the horror of the

civil war. One example he had all the top officials at the white house during the blood bath at gettysburg

and while they were there a messenger came in to tell them that we were slaughtering many men from

the south. All the generals cheered, Lincoln always mild mannered turned and angrily said gentleman yelling

what the hell are you cheering about were killing our fellow countrymen. Just thought you'd like that.

My name is Emilia Elias, and I have an eye surgery coming up this Dec.2021 and have alot of complications with it. I developed cataracts on my right side eye due to an eye trauma this Feb. 2021. I accidentally got a guitar string stuck in the iris and punctured a hole in it, while attempting to untie a Knott when I was fixing my guitar. I been seeing a eye doctor since this and have been depressed on the fact that I might not be able to see again, due to a probably retinal dissachment. One of my doctors said he thinks I might have a 18% chance of getting my eye sight back even after surgery. I have faith in Jesus Christ that he will regain my eye sight back the way it was. Can u please pray for me so everything goes well and I recover my vision soon. I want to be able to do the will of God with my full vision restored. Thank u god bless you .. have a good day.

Its All Grace Divine Unmerited Favor God To Man

This has always made me really push my mind in believing and God's love I'll explain. I have been told by

many an individual that God can't stand sin or the flesh and in His eyes its worthless well we might as well give up

trying to live because we will sin not intentionally everyday. But God being a Father also wanted a family to love Him

not because they have to because they want to Romans its the Goodness of God that leadeth thee to repentance

So God completing his Will through our Lord and Saviour and Brother said by His Promise His Word His Power His

Love I will put my Spirit in them and they by there believing and following my Word will make it available to exercise

my spirit the gift by freedom of will. The grace in this completed action is so far beyond human comprehension

that its challenging enough to believe and walk in everything given because we will never get it because the 5

senses mind cannot fathom perfect love which is the love of God. That being said the term born again means just

that what was given to operate by grace is none returnable and God is not an Indian Giver. God will reward an

individual based on the time they stood on His word in this the Age of Grace. The stubble will be burned and the

fruit left over will determine reward.

This age we live in is the most incredible biblically because 1 Corinthians 2:8 if the prince of this world

would have known what we have been given he would not have crucified Jesus Christ. Really think about that like

you chewing beef jerky. It was not written in the stars and the prophets didn't know it, we are Holy, every place

we step is holy ground by our presence. Someday we will believe some of this of What a Loving Father gave us

His Children. Just some heart God Bless

Earl, Bless your heart. It seems that you may have an angst against "brick and mortar" churches. That is sad to me, as soo many people have been helped to come to know the gospel and turned to Jesus through people who attend such places. God is using these places to build His church family just like He is similarly using those who are not affiliated with a particular church congregation. I have had seasons in my life where I was part of a particular church fellowship and seasons when I have not been so. In either situation, God meets me were I am and grows me to be more and more like our Lord, Jesus.

I think that it is important to stay humble enough to know that in both situations, we are not the final arbiter of what is sound doctrine/beliefs. It is the Holy Spirit who is this arbiter, and He has been working within the Church since Jesus first began the Church when our Lord called the disciples and began preaching to the people. The Holy Spirit as given to the Church to confirm the Truth that Jesus taught, to help the disciples to remember what Jesus taught them ( a lot of which was not written down in the gospels) and teach the disciples all that was necessary for the work of the Church to evangelize and exist as Body of Christ on earth after Jesus ascended to the Father (as Jesus stated He was going back to the Father (two different Persons) and sending the Holy Spirit (the 3rd Person).

Hello Earl,

Thank you for explaining your point of view. I think you revealed what is at the heart of your belief, thank you, because I was quite perplexed before. I don't know how open minded you are, but I will take a moment to explain something in hope that you will prayerfully consider this.

So, it seems you revealed 2 assumptions. What's interesting is you have inserted your own condition for salvation while claiming there's no conditions for salvation, because you used the format: If.... then.... you basically said "If [all mankind is going to bow and confess] then [therefore, all mankind will be saved]."

This human logic follows the format of "If [this is true] then [this is my assumption about it]."

1. All mankind, at some point in this age or in the ages to come, is going to bow the knee and confess Jesus is Lord, therefore all mankind will be saved.

Our difference is that I believe your assumption about these scriptures to be false. Why?

You quoted: Philippians 2:10-11

You wrote: "You said when this happens you are saved."

My response: "No, I did not. This is false assumption #1. Philippians is referring to after this life, after it's too late. Everyone will eventually bow once this life is over. Salvation is dependent upon what is done during this life, not after. Does that make sense?"

You also left out the very next verse 12 which says "...work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." It doesn't say "Everyone is saved regardless, so don't worry about it." It doesn't say "do whatever you feel like, because your actions are irrelevant." It says work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. This word 'work' suggests action and effort is involved, do you agree? It also doesn't mean we earn it, its grace by which we will be saved, but to receive it we have to accept Jesus's gift and follow Him (actions).

Assumption 2:

Man cannot be in HELL and also CONFESSING JESUS IS LORD.

Why? It will be too late then and all will know.

Rick, no problem, I have bad hair days every day since I am growing my hair out longer and it has for some reason become very curly! (which it never was before). Haha have a good day. Always goo to cat with you. I am fine with you pointing out where ever you think I may err. We all do at times. I endeavor to have a solid and accurate stance on topics, but I am still learning after all of these years walking with our Lord.

I understand this verse to mean that saviors refers to deliverers. It does not really say the way people would operate as deliverers, so I don't wish to take Earl's position and elevate myself higher than I ought to before our True Savior. Instead, I choose to be humble and accept that I am human and do not know all that God will make of me in the life to come or when He returns with to earth with the hosts of believers and angels. Jesus mentioned this humility and that we should wait for the master to lift us up to the position at the table He has chosen for us.

Alex,

Love you, too, in our Lord, Jesus Christ.

I believe that we have had this conversation before about believers becoming gods. Don't wish to re-hash.

I will just leave you with these Scriptures where God is speaking and says there is no other gods but Himself:

Isaiah 43:10

"You are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me and understand that i am He. Before me there was no God found, neither shall there be after me."

Is. 45:21 Ps. 86:10

Is. 37:16 2 Sam. 17:22

Is. 46:9 Is. 44:8

Is. 45:5

There are a multitude of other verses that unequivocally state that God is God alone, and there is no other besides Himself.

Satan was overthrown and thrown out of Heaven because he believed he could ascend and become like God. We should heed the warning from this event and not think too highly of ourselves and think that we could ever become a god that that would share God's essence or Glory. He can not meet these things out to anyone else. He does have some communicable attributes such as love, mercy, compassion, wisdom, etc. that man can possess (but not to the infinitely perfect degree that He possesses them) in a limited finite capacity. It is in these communicable attributes that we are in His image, but never in His essence to be a god beside Him.

Thanks Jesse,

Judas was a scoundrel, what we don't keep in remembrance, the fact that Jesus was going to be crucified, put in a tomb, and resurrected on the third day, it was hidden from the disciples. They thought He was going to set up the kingdom then and Judas probably thought he would have a grand job in treasury where he would have access to the money. He did not kill himself until he saw Jesus was condemned, probably just before or after Jesus was crucified. Matthew 27:1-4

His comment, "I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood" he betrayed Jesus, and now they were killing him, he was not the Messiah because the Messiah was supposed to set up the kingdom, I turned in the wrong man. Just a thought, don't take it to the bank.

God bless,

RLW

Brother David:

Matthew 5:25 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not thy whole body cast into GEHENNA (translated hell).

When Jesus was on earth Gehenna was the dump ground for Jerusalem where all the trash, garbage and bodies of dead criminals was dumped. It was on fire to DESTROY. Worms were there eating the dead flesh. As long as there was new fuel being dumped there, the worms never died nor was the fire ever quenched. It's a city park now, the is no longer worms or a fire.

Jesus was using Gehenna as an analogy, not something literal. If Jesus meant for you to take it literally, why aren't you missing eyes, hands and feet, that you have cut off and plucked out, to stay out of HELL.

Matthew 5:30

Matthew 10:28

Matthew 23:15

Matthew 23:33

Mark 9:43

Mark 9:45

Mark 9:47

Luke 12:5

Matthew 5:22

Matthew 18:9

James 3:6

All the verses have GEHENNA translated as HELL

Here are the scriptures in the Old testament that refer to Hinnom.

Nehemiah 11:30

Joshua 15:8

Joshua 18:16

2 Kings 23:10

2 Chronicles 28:3

2 Chronicles 33:6

Jeremiah 7:31

Jeremiah 7:32

Jeremiah 19:2

Jeremiah 19:6

Jeremiah 32:35

None of the scriptures have anything to do with the CHRISTIAN HELL.

Gigi That didn't come out the way I meant it sorry bad hair day. LOL

Hello Brother Earl, & all in discussion,

I hope you're not feeling attacked, "faithful are the wounds of a friend." Proverbs 27:5-6, I believe we are all still learning, just because we believed something to be true or false previously doesn't mean we always will. The HOLY Spirit is still teaching all of us. The scriptures that are stirring in me the most while reading your discussion are Matthew 7:13-23, Matthew 25:29-30, Matthew 25:31-46, I pray GOD will give us wisdom in these matters. Philippians 2:12-16, Hebrews 10:23-39,

What does Isaiah 58:1-12 teach me about God?

Hi Rebecca Could you be clearer or perhaps I misunderstood there is no Esther 14.

How did God create man if he was already a man?

Sister GiGi, they are complete opposites of the doctrines of man. Does the doctrines of the brick and mortar church teach the saints are going to judge the world. No, they teach when you die you either go to heaven or to hell. You, yourself in a new location. You are not going to be yourself, but a new creation in Christ Jesus. Man does not want to lose his own identity ( Matthew 16:25) and become the IMAGE of CHRIST. No greater love has a man than to die for his brother, Christ died for you, you have to die for Christ. This the first death ( Revelation 14:13).

John 17:21-24

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Blessings,

Melissa Rodriguez

Gigi It is written an heretic after the first and second admonition reject. According to Ephesians 6 this is my stand.

Earl Take what you have shown and read the verses that they were used in, and in the correct context then let us know what you come up with.

Hi Carleton.

Nice to hear from you.

Get better brother.

God bless.

My verse is from John 1:1, ECCLESIASTES 3, Psalm 91, Roman 8:28, Proverbs 13:24, 2 Corthians 5:7

Jesus you are coming soon. Please save (let's call them) my enemies. You know who "they" are Lord. Help them to repent too. In your mercy please reach them. My heart breaks for them. I know it's not your will God for anyone to be lost it's not my will either. Anyone. Please save all the lost and help me to love them. Deliver me from any unforgiveness, anger, hatred. Please save them.Before it's too late.

HELL IN THE NEW TESTAMENT

Hell is mentioned only 23 times in the New Testament.

12 times hell is translated from the word Gehenna, referring to Hinnom

10 times hell is translated from the Greek word hades

1 time hell is translated from the word Greek word tartarus

Gehenna (Hinnom) is a real historical and geographic place just southwest off Jerusalem's walls.

This historic, geographical location is found 11 times in the Old testament scriptures, so it SHOULD NOT have been translated HELL.

The Greek word Hades is found and additional 5 times translated GRAVE.

Grave and Hell don't have the same meaning. Why weren't the translators consistent in their translations.

The Greek word tartarus means abyss.

The wages of sin is DEATH and the GRAVE, not HELL.

We have record of Jesus speaking about Gehenna or Gehenna fire; NOT HELL) 11 times, but only on 4 occasions, not more times than anything else in God's Word.

Ronald,

Amen! the phrase son of perdition is a title. And in the Bible, that's only given to two people; Judas Iscariot and the antichrist that is yet to come. Jesus chose an evil man (Judas) to fulfill an evil deed. Judas was among the 12 that followed along with the other 11 during Christ's ministry. But Judas was evil the entire time. Judas was the one who was put in charge of the treasury and he was stealing money from it. John 12:6 tells us that he was stealing out of the treasury of the disciples. He was stealing out of the money bag.

God, I just want to thank You publicly. Not just for the good times and the answers to prayer, but also the really really hard times

Thank you Chris.

Thanks Rick, I appreciate your explanation here and the old saying at the end. I agree with it, but my thought expressed here are more for those who are reading these posts who are forming their beliefs about these matters than for the poster who speaks error, because you are right, there likely will not be a change of mind on is part.

Dear Earl

Thank you for sharing this information. It will help me to understand your point of view better. I do think that these tenets that you have adopted are at variance with most Christian belief.

From your post, I gather that you are older than I am by 10 or more years. You may be closer to entering eternity than I am, but we both are looking forward to what the Lord has in store for us when we leave this life and receive the fullness of our salvation. God Bless.