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Chris,

Thank you very much for such a good explanation. I appreciate this. I think that if people are willing to define terms and explain their thinking it is so much easier to understand someone's viewpoint. You have done that. Alex and Earl have not. They have listed a long list of cherry picked verses to "prove" their interpretation. Jesus and the Epistle writers did not do this like Alex and Earl. They would quote a Scripture and ten explain at length what the Scripture meant and how it is to be applied.

Sp, again, thank you for giving more context to the topic.

Who heard God talking during the first five days of creating life on earth for humans? There was no human present to hear God say anything. The sixth day is when humans had ears to hear. Of course, prior to a new life in human form on Earth would somehow need to be explained and proven. A life that coincides with another life of an image form presence prior to this human lifetime.

Hi Brother Dan.

I believe in the Rapture but I don't believe this is a reference to the Rapture.

I like what Brother Jesse has shared and would like to add to it.

We have what I believe is the same account worded slightly different in Matthew 24.

Jesus says in both accounts it will be like in the days of Noah. Question is Who was taken in the days of Noah?

Let's visit it.

Matthew 24:37-39. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

( AND KNEW NOT UNTIL THE FLOOD CAME, AND TOOK THEM ALL AWAY; SO SHALL ALSO THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN BE.

Now let's visit the text in question.

Luke 17:34-35. I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

These are not Raptured, They're gathered but not to be with him. Those in the Ark were saved out of destruction and so is the Rapture. This is his second coming.

God bless.

Sister GiGi. I understand that you wisely don't wish to pursue with this thread, but I offer the following for understanding what is seen in the verses Earl has presented.

Psalm 82:6, the verse which Jesus quotes to the Jewish leaders, refers to "gods" as 'Elohim'. This is a word that has several meanings, as it applies to both the true God & to other applications of that word. Elohim is a generic word, used for God ( Genesis 1:1); for pagan gods ( Genesis 31:30, Exodus 12:12); for angels ( Psalm 8:5, cf Hebrews 2:7); for men ( Psalm 82:6); for judges ( Exodus 21:6).

So when we come to John 10:34-36, Jesus is being accused of blasphemy, "thou, being a man, makest thyself God", since Jesus had said to them, "I and my Father are one" & in previous verses. Jesus then goes on to explain that the 'Elohim' of Psalm 82:6, which corresponds to the 'theos' of John 10:34, should actually not be a problem to them as we're all 'gods' in this general meaning of the word, 'Elohim' - we are NOT part of the Deity & NEVER will be, nor of the angelic realm, but certainly of men, rulers & judges (as those so appointed).

The Lord then continues His discourse with the Jews, questioning them, 'that if He is sanctified & sent by God, doing the Works of God, why shouldn't His claim to be the Son of God bother them?' Since we all come under the general word 'theos', if One coming, does the Works of God & brings the Word of God, should He not be rightfully (& more correctly) be called the Son of God? Is Jesus side-stepping the revelation of His actual position as God in the flesh? I see Jesus answering the Jews according to the charge they were laying against Him, that His claim 'making Himself God', was no different to any other claim to it by others. But if their eyes would one day be opened, they would realize that before them was no generic 'Elohim/Theos', but Theos Himself. They were far from reaching that position of understanding, not even understanding Psalm 82:6 & meaning of Elohim.

Chris,

Thank you for the update. I guess perhaps climate played a part in whether people wore pants of just tunics or combo. But, I am glad you looked it up.

Father please grant breakthrough. I am also asking for strong protection. Asking for us and all in need. Thank you and praise you. In Jesus name. Amen.

Hi elijah.

if you are referring to this section of the passage. ( for this thing i besought the lord thrice, that it might depart from me.)

your answer is right here in the following.

and he said unto me, my grace is sufficient for thee: ( for my strength is made perfect in weakness. ) most gladly therefore will i rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of christ may rest upon me.

god bless.

These are the things which are taking place now! Just as the Lord said it would happen.

Good observation Walter.

What you are saying is When Paul asked Who are thou Lord he was addressing the Lord he was taught in Judaism, When Jesus answered he realized that The Lord he was addressing IS the Lord of Judaism and He's Jesus. Am I correct?

God bless.

Thank you for those extra thoughts, sister. I thought to check further when pants/trousers were first seen. Wikipedia tells me that the first sign of this was in (what is now) Western China & was dated between the 10th & 13th Centuries BC (this was learned from digging through ancient cemetries & the pants were made of wool, with straight legs & wider/loose fit nearer the hips).

And there have been various forms of pants, worn by both men & women, ever since. Though the wearers were initially criticized for wearing such strange apparel, it slowly became acceptable in society over the centuries. But you're correct that forms of the tunic & pants are still worn today, an example of which is seen in Pakistan & parts of India, where both men & women wear the 'Shalwar Kamiz', meaning, a loose pleated pant with a separate long tunic reaching to knee length worn over the Shalwar; yet what is worn is clearly different in cut & design for the two genders.

Hi Earl In reading your comebacks on what other people have stated you've pretty much made up your mind

as long as you are stating scripture that it is truth. Not a slight problem with that picture is whether it fits with the

context of what was being discussed or whether it flows with the laws that God set up and to you the cop out

the spirit reveals, won't work because the spirit from God will not give any information that is contradictory to

the scripture like men or man will become God then the spirit reveals wrong connection. That being said I will go

scripturally an heretic after the first and second admonition reject. I wish you well.

Hi Gigi I do think you have gravely misinterpreted what I was commenting on.

Earl,

We have been this route before. I will stand on what I know and you will do so for yourself. You seem to call anything that does not agree with your interpretation to be doctrines of men. That attitude is problematic to me. But, even so, we I have should always be willing to learn and grow in our walk of faith. I have warned you about the error of your theology, which we are called to do by Scripture. I leave you now to God in this matter. I wish to end my contribution to this thread with you. We have both said what we believe, and disagree. It is what it is.

Sister GiGi:

Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; ye are the children of the most high.

John 10:34 Jesus answered them, is it not written in you law, I have said, Ye are gods?

John 10:35 If he called them gods, to whom the word (truth) of God came, and the scripture CANNOT be broken;

There is no twisting or interpreting this scripture.

You either BELIEVE or DON'T BELIEVE what it says.

The doctrines of men don't believe, I believe the doctrines of WORD.

God Bless You.

Hi Brother Earl.

I'm not sure I follow those I Am quotes.

I was just saying In Those verses I'm sure you yourself don't see where God tells Moses his Name is Abraham, Issac and Jacob. Do you?

Hi Robert.

There's two popular views, One is they're the 12 Apostles and the sons of Jacob.

The other view is they represent The Church/ Redeemed.

Because of what's mentioned in Revelation 5:8-10.

Revelation 1:6.

and 1 Peter 2:5-9.

Revelation 5:8-10. And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood OUT OF EVERY KINDRED, AND TONGUE, AND PEOPLE, AND NATION;

And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

What's interesting is what's mentioned in Revelation 5:6. in conjuction with Revelation 2:1.

Seems to be a change of location In Revelation Ch 2 and 3 Jesus is in the midst of the Church on Earth, by the time we get to Revelation 4:1. The scene is in heaven!! And Jesus is in the midst of the Church in Revelation 5:6.

Revelation 5:6. And I beheld, and, lo,-

-" IN THE MIDST OF THE THRONE AND OF THE FOUR BEASTS, AND IN THE MIDST OF THE ELDERS, STOOD A LAMB"

as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

If this is the Church they're in Heaven it seems to suggest a pre trib Rapture.

God bless.

Gigi Keeping this simple God is spirit we have been given the Gift of Holy Spirit Christ in us that by no means

in any way put us on his level, but we do have the ability to operate his abilities by way of His Gift. The way I view it

is when I'm inspired to do something I reach up into my Fathers cookie jar and ask can I or can't I its always yes or no,

its that simple because praying is asking. I sent this in case the other didn't go through. God Bless

Hi Adam My perspective on other christians or believers is there responsible for there walk if they want to compromise

or choose what they want to believe so be it. The old saying is a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion

still, or simply put you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink the Gospel. A lot of people want God, their way. So that's there choice.

Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments, 1 Corinthians ch 14 read until you obey . God is good !

Gigi I heard a statement made years ago that really clicked, to be God inside minded Ephesians 5:1 to be followers of

God as dear children, so without the spirit and the word as our guide this would be impossible. When someone tells me

I'm led by the spirit or the spirit told me, I don't argue or debate but first does it line up with Gods Word and was it all

profitable also actions dictate source, in other words what are you showing me. Some people talk others display I want to be a display in other words manifested power.

Brother S Spencer:

Have you every meditated on why God said; tell them I AM sent me.

I AM the first and last.

That they ALL may be ONE, as we are ONE.

I AM Adam

I AM Noah

I AM Moses

I AM Abraham

I AM Isaac

I am Jacob

I AM David

I AM Solomon

I AM the prophets

I Am S Spencer

I AM ALL in ALL

There is ONLY one LIFE; I AM (the life)

Alex, may be closer to understanding, judge not. We are on a learning curve, until we all come into unity.

Who was the goddess Diana?

Did she wear pants and preach ?

The majority of the books that make up the apocrypha were removed because their origin could not be verified. It was suspected that they were added after the fact, incorrectly, by unknown people. For instance, the one that was supposedly written by Solomon turned out to be likely written by someone else. Because they could not be verified and some it the apocrypha contradicts Biblical teaching that CAN be verified, it was removed.

No surprise!

Gigi In regards to what we were talking about I will refine what I stated God is Spirit John 4:24, what we were

given on pentecost is what man lost in Genesis his spiritual connection with God when he sinned. Now I'm fully

aware that some believe that the soul is spirit and spirit is soul. That being said I read in Genesis 2:7 Lord God formed

man dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul. In Genesis 3

when God said to man the day you eat of the tree thou shalt surely die he lost the most important part His Spiritual

connection with God. That is what was gotten back on pentecost when it became available to receive the Gift of Holy

therefore man again is a three part being. So I'm not at all saying we are perfect and have God inside us that's fallacy

and I notice someone else is buying that unfortunately. We were given freely His gift that we operate and the God

given enablements of that gift when walking in the faith of jesus Christ. Our biggest pain is the flesh so we have a

spiritual inner man who's there to help against the man of the flesh who's the antagonist. The battle is the mind, either

we walk on the word or we succumb to the flesh. Now the people who want argue this I have no time for but If someone

wants to reason I'm game. I was not raised with any religious belief system which I have found to be actually

beneficial because I had no preconceived ideology on what to believe about Gods Word. That being said I have done extensive studies for 45 years on what others have written and worked some of the original languages it was

translated from which is very enlightening to do. Because equally educated men have different beliefs on same subject matters. Again I believe what I believe, because in my life I have lost count of the

signs, miracles, and wonders that follow those that simply believe and act on It Is Written. God Bless

1 Corinthians 14 36,37

Sister GiGi:

John 17:21 That they ALL MAY BE ONE, as thou Father art in me, and I in thee, that they may all be one in us ....

This says that whatever and however the Father and Son have existed since the beginning, is the way we will also exist, in them, forever.

Colossians 1:19 For it please the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Ephesians 1:23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth ALL in ALL.

You can have the doctrines of man, I will take the doctrines of WORD.

Oops, meant to say that after 14 years of preaching to the gentile areas, Paul and Barnabas went to Jerusalem and met with the leaders of the church there. Upon earing what Paul was preaching and teaching, they all agreed that their gospels were the same.

Apparently, somehow, that got deleted.

We have many denominations,. Many different opinions,.. many types of interpretations,.. BUT , only one GOD ,. Our Heavenly Father, who is your ( our ) closest relative,.. Christianity is not a religion, it's a reality,.. may you find peace an understanding

Peace

happy Thanksgiving, too you and all.