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Would like to know that if you were put on pain pills by a doctor and you have been on them so long you cannot quit and you are a really strong believer will that stop you from going to heaven? I saw where God said that if you ask for forgiveness and keep on doing the same thing every day that God will not keep on forgiving you and that is the only really bad sin you do? Thanks I have a good friend that is really worried about this!

Hi Adam This is I read biblically concerning heaven carefully starting Genesis 1:6-8 verse 6 and God said let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters and let it divide the waters from the waters and let the dry land appear.

Verse 7 And God made the firmament and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the

waters which were above the firmament and it was so.

Verse 8 And God called the firmament heaven and the evening and morning were the second day.

Verse 9 And God said Let the waters under the firmament be gathered into one place and let the dry land appear. So biblically when we jump in the air we are in heaven[ this is translated shamayim which means things heaved up or lifted up things] when an air plane flies biblically its in heaven. Then you have the heavenlies Ephesians 1:3 where it

states we have been blessed with spiritual blessings in Heavenly places in Christ. Also Ephesians 1:20 Christ is seating in the heavenlies on Gods right hand.

An interesting point is the most high powered telescopes looking into the heavens have found massive balls of water larger than earth floating as far out as they can see which is whet Genesis says. Gods word doesn't miss a beat . Hell , gehenna and sheol is another discussion.

1)Calvinism Theory,it is Biblical?

2)Anti Calvinism what is their depends?

Hello, thank you for your explanation. I'm not sure where you get the source of your information, but it sounds like something you heard or read added doubt in your mind about the validity of the Bible translation. I personally do not believe your interpretation. The Bible is the most scrutinized document in world history and just the KJV took a team of experts years to complete- word for word deep research. It wasn't rushed and it wasn't man's own opinion as you suggested. I trust in God's word and the experts He allowed to translate it, over 1 man's counter opinion. The Bible is already translated accurately and it says 'hell'. There are also many other translations people can use as a basis of comparison and they also say 'hell'. Maybe you're just uncomfortable with that English word, but whatever it's called, the Bible already described it enough to where we still know what it means, such as through these verses: Link

Some find something they don't like in the Bible then try to re-translate a word to get its synonyms, then cherry pick one of those abd claim that it 'really' means this other definition. This could be done with the English language too. For instance, I just used the word 'claim'. If someone didn't like that sentence they could suggest it was talking about mining claims. Most English words have alternate meanings that can be used in different contexts. So, I believe that's what you have done with sheol and hell. See, the Bible already described it: lake of fire, fire and brimstone, everlasting punishment, fire that shall never be quenched.

So, you don't even need the word 'hell' to still know what it means through the other description. Some are uncomfortable with hell and don't want it to be true and try very hard to try to reinterpret the Bible. I hope that's not the case here. God bless.

Praise Yah Fredericka Bradwell. God is good. Thank you Jesus for that testimony.

Yes Matilda, those who are alive will be caught up to meet Jesus in the air. They will be transformed with a twinkling of an eye.

Amy I give you words of encouragement and prayer. Yahweh is displeased with those who do evil. But lets pray that they go to Christ so that he may change their ways, and most importantly, be saved. Yahweh we come before you asking you to change the heart and mind of those drug dealers who are in Amy's neighborhood. Give them knowledge and wisdom, so that they may not be as chaff in the wind. We thank you in the name of Jesus.

Yahweh may you please bless Aaron with a job. You said in your written word that if a man doesn't work, he doesn't eat. We ask that you bless him with more than an interview, but a job. So that he can support himself and his family. In Jesus name I do pray.

Amen Sister GiGi!

Brother Adam, in the Old Testament the Hebrew word sheol is translated 31 times as hell, and 31 times as grave.

The two translations, hell and grave, don't come close to the same meaning. Why didn't the translators, translate the word sheol as grave every time or hell every time.

It's easy to see sheol means grave from other teachings in the Old Testament and New, death was punishment, and sheol, the grave (the place the body goes after death).

Do yo believe Jesus went to hell when he died, or did he lay in the grave waiting for the Father to resurrect him.

Man teaches if you go to hell ( Luke 16:26) there a gulf that keeps you from coming out, either way you try to make this fit into mans teaching, it contradicts itself. If Jesus went to hell, according to man he would still be there. If he lay in the grave, then sheol translated as hell is mistranslated, and should have been translated grave. This would also mean the rich man lay in the grave instead of going to hell.

Psalms 16:10 For you will not leave my soul in hell (Heb. sheol), neither will you suffer you Holy One to see corruption.

Maybe the translators were pushing their own beliefs. Grievous wolves shall come in and destroy the flock.

Maybe this was revealed to John when he wrote Revelation and said what would happen if you added or took away from God's word.

does this chapter say its ok to have a christmas tree in Gods house of worhsipe?

Amen Thank you God !

Hello Earl,

I just noticed your comment:

"Before the Old Testament was translated into other languages, there is no mention of HELL. One would assume that if there were such a place of torture for sin, the prophets would have never cease warning people. Yet not one word concerning a place called Hell. Likewise not one mention of a place of eternal bliss, called heaven."

I'm trying to wrap my mind around your comment, because clearly the Bible does talk about hell. It uses the word 'hell' in both the Old and New Testament as well as other synonyms, such as in Mark 9:48.

This fact can also be verified through a quick search:

Link

The meaning hasn't changed through time either. For instance, man didn't suddenly invent the word 'hell' after a certain point of time.

Since a quick search confirms the Bible has always used the word 'hell', so is it possible you meant something else? Since it does not sound like a true statement, can you please explain what you mean by, "Before the Old Testament was translated into other languages, there is no mention of HELL."?

God bless...

I agree with you there Earl , we start out as empty vessels . We are not naturally inclined to goodness , we can see this when people are left without any rules , legal or moral . Many people have lived their lives without ever having had the chance to know the Truth through no fault of their own . I cannot believe that they will spend eternity being tortured for their ignorance .God is love and I do not believe that He sanctions the eternal torture of the ignorant and I don't understand why anyone would believe this . You and others on here have helped me very much and I still have a lot to learn , this site is fab but God is in the Bible and it should be our first and main source of information . Ecclesiastes Ch 3 , V 10-22 . Much love to you in Christ .

Last comment between Face to face should say dead body so missed that.

In the epistle to the Romans in Chapter 7 after paul scribes the battle between the natural man of body and soul

and the law of God after the inward man Christ, he says O, wretched man that I am who shall deliver me from this body of death. In Roman times they took certain prisoners and depending on the crime to so to speak teach a lesson

would tie either on there back or face face and they would have to for a period of time walk around like this. Absolutely

horrifying that is a good description of when we are born again or old man nature bagan to die when we believed and started walking in the newness of the spirit that's why paul said when we walk by the spirit more of the old man nature

rots away because the spirit is energizing us with life.

Now on the other hand if a person who's born again gets tricked by the adversary and keep something in mind

what has actually occurred is over time little by little the person isn't reading the word daily, they don't pray much or at all

they don't ask God for help and before you know it they are no longer walking by the spirit the word but they believe

its O.K. there's the deception. I don't really have to do this, then they are back to there dead nature all 5 senses but you can't revive a dead body which is worse than if they didn't know the truth. A dog wallowing in its own vomit.

Please pray my friend Aaron A M walks away from really bad people and he gets a job offer soon. He gets interviews and no offers. Seems his mom F.A.M is wanting to control him and has evil in her and wants Aaron to fail. Thank you.

Jesus did not save our sinful nature. He gave us a new nature by the Spirit. In Scripture, the flesh can mean this sinful nature or it can simply mean human flesh. Jesus did redeem our human flesh, in that we will have new glorified flesh the same as Jesus has when resurrected. He showed his resurrected body to Thomas and told Him to touch His wounds. Thomas did and admitted that indeed Jesus was resurrected in a fleshly body. Just as our souls are redeemed and no longer under the curse and corruption of sin, so shall our bodies be in the resurrection.

I understand your point. I just thought that the term "flesh" should be clarified.

...I just believe we are to heed to whole council of God in Scripture on this and work out our salvation with fear and trembling, so that we do not walk away from Jesus. I cannot tell my sons that their faith was not valid enough to save them as youths, and I cannot say that since they believed as youth, they are forever saved. I tell them that they are separated from God right now because of their current unbelief and that God will receive them lovingly when they repent and ask Him for help to believe once again. They are prodigals, loved by God, and He is always working 24/7 to bring His lost sheep back home to Him. I am trusting Him and look forward to when all of my sons are once again reunited to Christ, having "divorced" Him.

I was defining willful sin. I was not speaking to whether someone can lose their salvation or not. I affirm that Peter did not become unsaved. Like all of us, he sinned even as a believer. Has any of us on here or in the body of Christ lied? gossiped? replied to someone in anger? doubted or despaired of faith? backstabbed another? We do not lose our salvation wen we sin, intentionally or not. But if a person apostasizes and renounces their faith in Jesus and does not return to God before they die, I believe that they are not saved. But I also believe that Jesus will draw anyone who has done so back to a place of faith before they die. He will keep those who love Him. When all my sons were young up to their teen years, they believed in Jesus. Their child-like faith was effective towards their salvation. But when they turned away and denounced their faith, I would never say that they were never saved in the first place. That is counter to Scripture that says if we believe on the Lord Jesus we will be saved. Salvation is not based on age or maturity; it is based on God's grace in giving us faith to believe, which my sons had received. I think it is a wicked thing to tell our children tat believing in Jesus saves you and when turn from Him, we say that their faith was not "real" enough to save them. Who could ever be sure that their faith was "true" enough to be confident of their salvation then? Also, it is a wicked thing to teach that a believer is once saved, always saved. This statement makes it true even if they, after receiving the Lord in faith, they live turned away from God and pursue sinful living. Believers would think that they could live however they want and still retain their salvation. I think of it this way, good works do not earn us salvation, but sinfulness always breaks fellowship with God until we repent and confess, even as a believer. I am not totally settled one way or another concerning the security of the believer doctrine. see more...

Hi Sacha

Thanks for the reply.

God bless.

Hi Jesse That's why I think in the Church Epistles Paul says many places the word let, let this mind be in you which was in Christ, let love be without dissimulation or division, Ephesians 4:26-32, and other places. You don't force push I'm

gonna work hard to do this b.y operating the faith I.E. walking by the spirit God Will work in You both to will and do of His good Pleasure because you have let go 5 senses and let God work. This is my understanding. God bless

Hi Gigi Peter did not willfully sin his thinking was still partially tied into the law by works not seeing the Justification by

grace of God by believing in what Christ paid for which abolished the works of the law. Galatians 2:14-20 had to be a hot debate because barnabas was caught up in the debate. as a matter of fact Peter was wrong in His head but not in His heart, so he was acting and accusing others according to the law of not walking but He was doing the same thing but

didn't see it. So that being said yes Peter was absolutely saved. We do the same thing to our when we start thinking if I

don't dress a certain way or eat certain things or cut my hair a certain way then I'm not walking with God. Gods word says do your best to follow Gods word First and great commandment Love God with all your heart soul mind and strength

then whatever you believe to do God Bless. I.E. walk in Agapeo This is my understanding God Bless

Dear precious friend, assuming you are right, AND we are "NOT to be 'Conformed' to the world Romans 12:2, let's ask A Very Important about Confused christendom's 'mode' of water BY IMMERSION.

All young and Middle-Aged women who are Christians, please advise, IF this is OK/Approved

Unto God:

How is "immersion of God's Precious WOMEN" as a rite/ritual/'Condemned' By CHRIST 'Tradition' Any DIFFERENT than a "WET t-shirt Contest" at the local UNgodly liquor establishment???

Of Course, there are Many MORE questions about This Important Doctrine of God, but I digress for now...

Good day...

False profession of Faith is of no use to God; unless they turn to God; they go to hell.

1 Corinthians 14:33 2 Timothy 2:15 Ephesians 4:5 1 Corinthians 12:13

Precious friends, thanks for your Valuable? input - did they help 'Solve the Confusion'?:

"the effect of religious not quite rightly divided thinking, communism started after Carl Marx read" Reading Carl Marx does not Solve the reigning 'Confusion' of water today...

"there's only 1 simple option: to be baptized acts 2:38 Isaiah 7:16"

Again, does not 'Solve the Confusion,' but assumes water is "God's ONE Baptism" which IS in effect today, OR: 'Assumes' "Christ baptizes WITH The Holy Ghost" as HIS 'ONE' baptism today? Assumptions don't 'Solve Confusion'...

"obedience and submission, two key words that are not often used these days" Again, another 'assumption' water is in effect, and 'implying obey it or else'... Again, Not 'Solved'...

"a story yesterday that people are flocking to be water baptized...We have the Holy Spirit to help us with the New Birth. Ask Him." Is a 'story' God's Sound Doctrine? Yes, TRUE, The Holy Spirit IS The Teacher, ask Him, 'And' Be Taught By "comparing Scriptural 'Evidence' With ALL SCRIPTURAL 'Evidence,' Correct? Or, just wait to 'hear an Audible Voice' for an answer???

"such an easy command of Christ and expected practice in the apostolic church times to obey. Perhaps many bristle at the thought of any sort of rite or formality in Christian practice." Again, assumptions and accusations bring us No Closer To God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, 'Solving the Confusion' of 10 DIFFERENT 'traditions/rites/practices' of Confused christendom...

to be continued in Part II Conclusion...

Part II God's ONE Baptism Is NOT 'water,' But, IS 'Spiritual'

Conclusion, the question for "2/3 baptismS 'water' adherents" was Not 'answered,' but, God's 'Answer' From ALL Of HIS Scriptural 'Evidence' IS:

"There is 'ONE' Baptism" Ephesians 4:5 1 Corinthians 12:13 ('Spiritual' NOT water...): Link

( 2 Timothy 2:15 Romans 16:25 Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship {Romans - Philemon}, For ALL "to SEE," today,? )

Precious friends, Please Be 'Richly' Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, And EDIFIED In The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And In HIS Word Of TRUTH, Rightly Divided ('Approved' Unto HIM!)

2 Timothy 2:15

Oh yes Earl , I think I spend too much time on this site , I need real food , every day . Some of the things I read on here drive me half crazy , so many smooth words and I am guilty because I don't challenge them . You're a cool dude Earl and you know your subject , you have much more patience than I do ! I'm off to get fed , much love to you in Christ .

GiGi, these comments by others say when you willfully sin you lose you salvation was peter not saved or saved and lost his salvation.

Your friend: What if the scriptures mean this:

1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

What if: Those that sleep in Jesus are the Old Testament Saints that died never receiving the promised victory over death, but had to wait on Christ resurrection.

Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many of the bodies of the saints which slept (in Jesus) arose (with Christ),

Matthew 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared to many.

What if: the holy city was New Jerusalem and not Old Jerusalem.

1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

What if: those that are alive and remain, are the ones that had their part in the first resurrection and never saw death.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that had part in the first resurrection......

John 8:51 .....he shall never see death.

The saints from the Old Testament and those that never see death, all took part in the first resurrection. These want prevent those left in their graves from seeing a future resurrection.

This (first) resurrection want prevent those still in their graves from seeing a future (second) resurrection.

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God, and the dead in Christ shall shall rise first.

What if: the is just reaffirming the above verses, the saints and the ones who died with Christ having their part in the first resurrection; making sure we know there are two resurrection.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain (alive because we never saw death) shall be caught up together with them (saints of old) in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air, so shall we ever be with the Lord.