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Such a lovely, encouraging, and helpful post.

Thanks for the information on the Madhi.

I am glad that you are finding benefit in what I write. It is how I feel lead to respond to my reading Genesis anew on this site, so it is good to get feedback. My style isn't for everyone, but it is my prayer the benefit goes beyond me (Paraphrasing is a proven learning technique). I enjoy reading your posts as well. You make a lot of sense.

.......explaining she is having her monthly period, Jacob pretty much lights in to Laban, recounting how Laban did not treat him in good faith and Jacob had not done Laban wrong all these 20 years., recounting how well the flocks have prospered under his shepherding. He attests that God, who was his grandfather's God and his father's God (the Fear of Isaac is a name for God) has been with him none of that would have happened. He didn't claim God as his own at this time.

Then Laban has his turn at speaking to Jacob, claiming that the wives and children belong to him, along with the flock. he is unwilling to let go and keep his end of the bargain. He obviously wanted Jacob to stay in Haran and keep his family near him, though he had other sons. So Laban suggests a covenant. Laban seems to make the terms of the covenant, having Jacob vow to treat his wives well and not add any wives. Then he vows that the pillar will be a boundary that neither will cross to harm the other. He calls God, (Abraham's, Naho's, and Terah) to be the judge or witness between them. Jacob swears by the same God as Laban (the Fear of Isaac, by name) Jacob offers a sacrifice to God (makes me wonder why Laban had household idols?) The share a meal, that evening and part ways in the morning on good terms.

After hearing Jacob's words to him, perhaps Laban realized that he had mistreated Jacob and therefore relented. Or maybe Jacob's sons were much older and stronger than Laban's sons, and he assessed the situation and made the wise choice to let Jacob leave. Maybe, having heard from God, Laban was beginning a journey with the True God then.

So, we shall see how the rest of the story turns out. I'm curious about the idols Rachel stole and kept hidden from Jacob?

The daughter was to receive some of the dowry from her father. Laban had not given them any family wealth apart from what Jacob had earned. They new that Jacob had prospered their father more than what would ordinarily be a dowry amount, and that their father had spent his wealth. On top of that, Laban had treated his daughters as strangers instead of family. Funny, how Laban claimed Leah and Rachel and the grandkids as his when he confronted Jacob. Laban was greedy. This lack of reception of their father's inheritance probably prompted Rachel to take the family statues/images. Perhaps they were of some value that we do not know about. Sometimes called Teraphim, they were linked to idolatry and perhaps family land ownership.

Here in this chapter, Jacob recounts how it was that his flock grew so large. God showed him in a dream how it would happen. God also reminded him about meeting Him in Bethel and Jacob making a vow to God. The dream and words from God reminded Jacob of what he said to God in this vow, that if the Lord will prosper him and guard him, he would serve God. Now, Jacob saw that God had prospered and guarded him. Now he could trust God for his day to day life and his future.

Jacob was obedient to and set out for home without telling Laban. He knew Laban was untrustworthy and so he wanted to follow God's direction without Laban's interference. He had already been in the land 6 years past when God had first told him to leave in the dream. Now this is the second time God tells him to go home. 3 days into their journey arriving at the mount of Gilead. Laban catches up to him there after God had spoken to him to not mistreat Jacob. When Laban asks Jacob why he left as he did, Jacob says that he was afraid Laban would take his daughters back by force, reneging on the deal that was made 20 years ago. After searching for the household idols, and not finding them on account of Rachel sitting on the pillow she put them under.....see more

Still here . Still praying for you LaTonya! We glorify You Lord! Let the worshippers arise tonight Lord! You are up to something good!

We worship You Heavenly Father

Thank You for hearing us and answering God we glorify You tonight

Hi Brother Dan,

It's always pleasant engaging with you as well. Sorry for such a slow response. I'm working this weekend, but will further engage with you in the near future.

God bless.

You know when women are running the church , it's all backwards , just the way the devil likes it

Baptism....

How does the Bible teach to get Baptized?

An unbeliver baptized a believer,is that Biblical? I don't go for the springling of water I believe the Bible teaches Jesus and many others were Baptized in water,. Read about the Lord's Baptism it says; and he came up out of the water.... Yes water does not change anything,but it's a symbol of death and resurrection,the old man being buried and the new man being raised to a new life.

Lord Jesus help us as ambassadors for Christ to represent the pure Gospel,and not mixed in opinion.

Many Believers say; does it really matter how Baptism is done?......

Jacob sure lived an interesting life, but not, perhaps. more so than Noah, Shem, ........Abraham, Isaac. We just are noit given quite as much info on these other brothers in the Lord.

Jacob had been away from his family for 20 years. He was at least 60 years old by now and Isaac was about 120 yrs. or more. God appears and speaks to Jacob and says to go home. He was ready to go back home, His quiver was full of children, his flocks had prospered to the point of greatly outnumbering Laban's. It seems that Laban had sons, as it says they complained about the state of their flocks as compared to Jacob's. Laban must have left the tending of his flocks totally to his sons and Jacob. Otherwise, he would have known what was the state of his flocks. He was not happy to see Jacob wealthy and now his wealth diminished, having been transferred to Jacob through the increase in Jacob's flock.

Jacob explains that he has tended the flocks in good faith for 20 years, even though Laban had changed his wages 10 times. Laban was crafty and intended to take advantage of Jacob. Jacob was mild mannered, unlike Esau. But he was also wise enough to depend on God, since God continued to bless him. It says he served Laban with all of his might. So he was all in to the job, not lazy, or looking for a way to get out of work. He was worth far more than the wage he was being paid. I was taught to work this way. I have been overqualified for most of the jobs I have had, but still worked hard and earned my wage. In one restaurant job, I worked with some workers just out of high school. They did not do their best to earn their wage, commenting that they were only getting minimum wage, so they di d not have to work hard. God honored Jacob's work ethic and blessed the work of his hands.

Leah and Rachel were concerned about leaving without any of the inheritance that they should receive. Ordinarily, a suitor would pay a dowry for a wife, but Jacob had not done so......

In the verse: And these,

1 Cor. 5:11

"But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat."

Why is the word "no" not spelled "know"?

Amen Sister GiGi.

I also learn from the refresher course you're taking us through. Going through the bible is always great, We appreciate what you do.

God bless.

Thanks so much for praying for me everytime I read a prayer that is to me I cry . Continue to do the will of God in Jesus name.

I am a 46 year old woman on the heart transplant list but I know God can do anything but fail. I ask that God allow me to keep the heart that was given to me.I also have kidney issues that I am dealing with .I pray that as prayers go up blessings come down. Lord touch me from the crown of my head to the soul of my feet in Jesus name. Hallelujah

Gigi Many have tried to figure out the mandrake deal, anytime in the old testament I see a situation where God tells a believer to do something that doesn't make sense its always revealed knowledge specific revelation to bless the individual and to achieve Gods Will same thing with the walls of Jericho, same thing with Elijah pouring water over a burn't sacrifice that God burn't up, these men believed what God said to do and got the results because they believed and did it. Things haven't changed in regards to what God will do for us when we believe and act on the information given. God doesn't change man does. It is walking by the spirit.

I listen carefully to the scriptures and 1 Corinthians ch 14 v34 ,35 , 36 , verse 37

If any man think himself to be a prophet or, spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I Write unto you are the commandments of the Lord .

I whole heartedly agree with apostle Paul . Those that do not endorse women to be disobey the Lord .

You seem like a nice person but obedience to the Lord is most important.

If people are not spiritual in the things of God they are ignorant, verse 38 .

Praise Yah Millie! What a testimony. Keep the faith! Satan will come after you, because you are not on his side.

IRAN had several large earthquakes today; like almost a 7. Wonder if it sets back their Nuke production?

I do not know why, but last night I searched YouTube about "this Mahdi" that the Palestinians talk about.

They pretty much say the same thing in every video. The Mahdi is the resurrected spirit of an ancient king? Who supposedly becomes Antichrist? They speak English just fine.

They never say Jesus's name but they talk around him. They're discussing His return. I have a bad feeling about that 85 billion in military equipment Biden left behind so he could just frustrate Donald Trump.

Then they put first, fighting against other Palestinians Groups FIRST. It sounded like the plan to unite 3 groups to March on Jerusalem?

Then I wonder if they're posting this on YouTube to distract the real purpose? Are they contacting the Palestinians that Biden just allowed to sneak over here on the Afghanistan exodus? I don't see Biden keeping anybody informed on this do you?

Are we going see violence from this? Like mall bombs etc. I hope not.

Jesus could return any time. You might look at the prophesy lectures (the one that's over 2 hours) on GEVTE (YouTube)

No Z, the vaccine is not the mark of the beast.

Hi T, I give you words of encouragement and prayer. You seem to know what you want in life so that is half of the battle. Now you just have to set your mind to it and you can do anything. Yahweh I come before you on the behalf of T who needs a job. We ask that you bless T in a special way, not only give T a job, but also the talents and the abilities to do that job well, all in the name of Jesus. Amen

Yahweh, may you please grant Mike a living relationship with you and your dear son Jesus. Also may you grant him salvation. We do come to you as humbly as we know how, and ask all these things in Jesus name.

Please pray that I have favor energy strength and do a great job with alertness and that it's not busy at work tomorrow ijnip amen

Gigi P.S. Since it is Gods will that as it is written signs miracles and wonders follow us who believe, it doesn't say just the apostles in context those that believe in what God has done through Jesus Christ he already stated His will in His word, the problem is we believe so far below what we have already been given in Christ. Too many times I myself have been told that's not possible or that's not available. I'm speaking about things I have watched or done, so the enemy has talked believers out of whats available. How will you ever Go up against spiritual power if you have not been given the power to do it. We indeed are children with the Power of the most High. It Is Written What I state is quite clear. Let us rise up and utilize our God Given abilities in Christ.

The Lord to bless you Alice. God will help you__Mishael

Psalm 27:10

When my father and my mother forsake me, then the LORD will take me up.

Romans 8:15

For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

Ephesians 1:5

Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to HIMSELF, according to the good pleasure of his will,

There is no greater commandment from God than we are to love God and love others. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your mind, and all your strength. The second most important command is this: Love your neighbor the same as you love yourself. There is none other commandment greater than these ( Mark 12:30-31).

The ultimate commandment is to love. When we love God, we trust God, we trust God's Word, and we want to obey all His commandments. We love our neighbor (family, friends, children and strangers), we treat them with gentleness, kindness, patient, hope, support, trust, forgiveness, and we believe in them. In the same way, when we love ourselves, we are positive in our actions and hope, we believe in ourselves, and we believe in our position in Christ. When we love others, we are obeying God's greatest commandment.

Children's needs are small really: a bed, food, hugs and touch, a few special toys, a walk around the block to imprint where they live now, see other children. Assurance that you will never leave them; and that their mother is ok and they can talk to her in prayer. They don't need details unless they ask.

When sin happens, we wait 30 mins for impatience and anger to pass. Discuss the issue, both parties decide appropriate "punishment" calmly. I took a favorite toy and put high up out of reach for an hour so they see it and long to be restored to it. Set a alarm clock.

Yelling hardens the heart and resentment boils inside. Daily, read a few Proverbs & discuss their meaning.

Well, this is just as interesting as the last chapter. yes, Jacob had sexual relationships with 4 women who were given to his household. He didn't go out of what was his to find more women. I think the problems between Rachel and Leah are expected. I was surprised for the bargaining Rachel and Leah did- mandrakes for a lay with Jacob. It must have been Rachels turn to have time with Jacob sexually. Leah's sons were old enough to provide some sustenance for the family. Rachel had not much as much leverage as Leah. Jacob didn't seem to object to the deal, even though he loved Rachel more than Leah, but he cared for both of the

Unlike Jacob and Esau where Jacob was the child of promise and Esau was not, all of Jacob's sons were equally children of the promise, even the children of the maids. God was fulfilling his promise of multiplying Abraham's seed by giving Jacob 12 sons and one daughter. That daughter had to be one tough cookie to grow up among twelve brothers! Notice that she did not have a tribe named after her.

I think that Jacob was told by God what to do with the flocks to ensure that his own would be built up far exceedingly to Laban's. He was not neglecting Laban's flocks at all, but living by the bargain made between them. I think Jacob was still learning how to hear God's voice and act on faith. So, perhaps the 'trick" with the branches was a test of faith.

On the other hand, being a shepherd, he may have known something that Laban did not know, as it was Rachel who shepherded Laban's flocks.

Either way, God was faithful and blessed Jacob and in the process of blessing him, God blessed Laban, too, and Laban noticed.

Gigi This is my simple summary Ephesians 3:20, Phil. 4:13, Ephesians 1;17-20, no man can say it any better, we actually do receive what we believe and act on.

Hi Mike.

Welcome to the family. Praise God for your salvation.

On this website is a guide for your next steps in your walk of faith.

I encourage you to read it.

Link

Your sister in Christ, Helene

Well it looks like in this chapter, the tables were turned on Jacob by Laban sending Leah in to where Jacob was following the marriage celebration. It was night, and we do not know what Leah was wearing or how dark it was for Jacob to not be able to discern that the woman he consummated a marriage with was not Rachel. But Jacob really loved Rachel and wanted her for his wife, so he was willing to work another 7 years for Laban in order to secure Rachel as his wife, too. I have always felt sorry for Leah. The "customs" of the time dictated that the elder daughter is to be married first, so she was given to a man who loved her younger sister.

Here we have another plural marriage in Genesis. Both Leah and Rachel were full-fledged wives, not concubine wives, and of equal standing. Of course tensions would arise. Jacob would have known that from being a twin. I am not sure what is meant when Laban told Jacob to complete the week with Leah. Perhaps it was the custom for a man to be wit his wife a full week without any other duties but to share the marriage bed. So, Jacob did, and then he took Rachel as his wife and most likely for a week's time just like for Leah. After that it doesn't speak of the arrangements of who has access to Jacob when and for how long. The text skips to the subject of the barrenness of both women until Leah conceived. Must have been very unbearable for Rachel to see her sister bear 4 sons and she had not conceived at all. Probably put a rift between the sisters in some way.

Since it seems that Jacob did not arrive at Laban's home laden with gifts for the family he would take a wife from, it appears that Jacob would have to work for his father-in-law in exchange for having Laban daughter/s for his wife/wives. Must have been customary for men to supply some kind of dowry in order to take a daughter for a wife.

It is obvious that Leah felt hated in this family relationship. I doubt that Jacob really hated her, he just loved Rachel more.

Please Lord. I am begging you. I need healing from this drinking and gambling I do every weekend!!!!! Please God make it stop!!!!! I am begging you, make it stop! Please! If you can raise people from the dead and cure diseases with just the touch of your garment, please heal me wit h just a breath my way! Please God I am begging you heal me!!! If miracles DO happen, than make a miracle out of me!!!!! Show me your really really and take this completely away from me!!!!!