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Thank you so much for that :) .

Can anyone help me with this question please ? In Ezekiel Ch 1 we have a description of the cherubims with their four faces ( V 10 ) , why , when we get to Ch 10 V 14 , has one of the faces changed ? Any suggestions would be helpful , thanks .

Happy pre-Thanksgiving, Chris. Thanks for your response. First, if the Word declares that we should work out our faith with fear and trembling (Philip. 2:12-13), that we should not grieve the Holy Spirit who seals us unto the day of redemption and, finally, Jesus told the parables of the talents and the 10 virgins in Matthew 25 reflecting what the Kingdom of Heaven is like. Same master, same bridegroom for all the servants or virgins (in other words, no unbelievers). If eternal security is valid, then why would Paul under Spirit prompting say we have to work out our salvation? It should be a given, no work, no fear, no trembling. Right? Should read then, "Enjoy your salvation with confidence and presumption.". You're right in saying God has done it all in making a way for us to get back into relationship with Him thru His Son, Jesus. God has dealt to every man a measure of faith ( Rom. 12:3), so when you say HIS faith, I think you mean his/man's misplaced faith in himself or something other than God. Again, I stand by what the Word declares, that without faith it is impossible to please God or to do His will.

Paul states it best in 1 Cor. 9:27, when he chooses to keep his body under subjection, lest that by any means, after he has preached to others, he should become a castaway. How's that? A castaway? No way that could happen...I mean no way. He must have not been listening close enough to what the Spirit was really wanting him to say or write.

If, after all this, you and others (some very prominent in today's Christianity) choose to believe this erroneous teaching, then continue on my friend and we'll let bygones be bygones. Thanks for your time...Mark

A recurring theme in Jesus' conversations with His critics is that they are being willfully obstinate. Jesus' life and teachings align perfectly with the Scriptures these men know all too well-but they actively refuse to accept Him ( John 5:39-40). An intent to disbelieve, not a lack of knowledge, is their main problem ( John 7:17). Others have seen Jesus' miracles, and properly interpreted them as signs that He is divinely empowered ( John 3:1-2; 10:21). The men who threaten Him now, however, have proven they're opposed to God ( John 10:1-6) by crediting Jesus' miracles to Satan ( Mark 3:22).

Jesus will continue to answer in the next verse by reiterating the first of His three shepherding-related analogies from this chapter. This puts His answer in plain terms: I already told you who I was, but you're not going to listen.

Hi Bennymkje, Thanks for your explanation! Appreciate it! I'm going to try to outline the chiasm in the book of Revelation.

Hello Amasuca, Yes! the Gospel is the Good News. Spread it far and wide. :)

Zechariah 3. The angel of the LORD is Jesus

6 And the angel of the LORD protested unto Joshua, saying,

7 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by.

8 Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH.

9 For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.

Dear Richard Priday,

I was wondering if you would like to post on the Mercy of God. If so let me know and I will move on to the letter "N".

The MYSTERY of God is often termed as His Transcendence. There are things concerning Him in His Being and Essential nature that we will never be able to learn, know, comprehend, or experience.

Yet, with all this MYSTERY, God has provided us with all we need in the life of his Son, in the Scriptures, and in the workings of the world to know He exists and is a rewarder of those who seek Him.

How Great is our God!

To continue.

There is the mystery of how one sin by Adam (not by Eve) could be the cause of all persons born from the seed of Adam (everyone, except Jesus) could possess a sinful nature without even sinning (from conception).

There is the mystery of how God makes a fertilized egg a living person with a physical nature, soul nature, and spiritual nature.

There is the mystery of how God everything that God does or allows brings Him glory.

There is the mystery of the plan of salvation willed before creation.

There is the mystery of how Jesus could be slain from before the foundation of the world.

There is the mystery of how God can indwell believers by the Spirit and if the Spirit is in us, then the Father and the Son indwell us also.

There is the mystery of how synapses in our mind create abstract thoughts, will, and choice.

There is the mystery of how it was that the universe first began with time, space, and physical laws such as gravity, wavelengths, magnetism, etc.

There is the mystery of how God can be everywhere at once and also in one place specifically such as upon the ark of the covenant or in the pillar of cloud and fire.

There is the mystery of how God can know everything past, present and future without using time to learn it.

There is the mystery of His sovereign power that is indominable.

There is the mystery of how God cannot change in any way, yet can act in time and space and become a human person.

There is the mystery of how God is not made of parts or components and His substance cannot be divided up into portions.

(divine simplicity)

There is the mystery of how God can be a Person and be life itself, self-existing as the God who IS, without drawing life from outside of Himself.

There is the mystery of how God is completely self-sufficient and self-satisfying. He needs nothing outside of Himself to be complete, to depend on to meet any need, any passion or emotion outside of Himself that He must receive from outside of Himself.

Getting back to my study on Who God is. I would like to follow up Majestic with:

MYSTERY

There is much mystery in God from our viewpoint. Within the Godhead, all is known about His whole being. Nothing is hidden from Him nor is He able to not know/understand all that He is.

But to us, there is more of Him that is a mystery to us than that which we know and understand of Him.

In Job 38-40,out God bring before Job a plethora of things that God knows and does that man does not have any idea about.

There is the mystery of the inner relationship and union of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

There is the mystery of how God can be three distinct persons but only One God.

There is the mystery of how He created all things ex nihilo (out of no substances) aside from His word spoken and will performed.

There is the mystery of His existence outside of the universe, time, space, and anything else but Himself. There is the mystery of what He is truly like as a Purely Spiritual Being.

There is the mystery of why He allowed for sin to enter His creation when he could have done it another way.

There is the mystery of His perfection that we cannot ever have.

There is the mystery of His infinitude that we cannot ever be. We have bounds and limits.

There is the mystery of why He must punish sin forever.

There is the mystery of how Jesus could take on a human nature and still be fully God, not in any way diminished. No other being can be come something it is not created to be. No man can become God. But God could become man.

There is mystery about how Jesus' one sacrifice is infinitely worthy and over abundantly sufficient to take away all the sin of the world.

There is the mystery of how He, being God, could take sin upon Himself to be cursed before God and take all of the wrath of the God upon Himself for sin and be able t bear it.

There is the mystery of how the Jesus was able to raise Himself from the dead.

There is the mystery of how that Holy Spirit regenerates.

Good afternoon Bennymkje, Some further thoughts. The pale horse with death (spiritual) as a rider and Hell (after this time) following within a percentage of restraint, has/will kill (spiritually) with the sword, with death, with hunger and with beasts. This horse follows the times since Christ within its restraint.

Hello Hadassah,

The Bible is the God document in which the Spirit uses an inversion mode in presenting Salvation Plan of God in terms of Alpha Omega referring Jesus Christ. Since God the Father sent his Son in human likeness which was set in God's time, the Spirit gives it as 'in the fulness of time'. His death and resurrection was also in the divine Will the Father Son relationship has to be presented in terms of mankind. So a Chiasitic structure is well suited for the purpose. "This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."(Ac.1:11)

Use of numbers is another method, So 'time, times and a half" (42 weeks) refers to the period of the earthly ministry of the Son of man.

Ge 1:1 "In the beginning" is set in a reconstituted time into which earth time as well as eternal will also have to be reconciled. 'When the fulness of time was come' (Gal.4:4) refers to it. The latter days hold the other end. This Christ as the beginning and the ending every event, names of persons, places and nations shall be graded in terms of the Son. "All things were created by him, and for him:/ And he is before all things, and by him all things consist." Fulness of divine Will is made manifest in the Son. He is the Word become flesh. "In the beginning" therefore is placed by the Spirit in the Gospel of John.(1:1)

Thus " So the last shall be first, and the first last" to cite an example of chiasmus refers to Israel. (Matt.20:16). Afterall God blessed all families in the earth through Abraham, whose faith established the basis of the sonship. The Spirit uses the birth of Phares and Zarah, in order to teach us this point. The scarlet thread around Zarah' wrist foreshadows the Gentile nations coming into the fold after the falling of Israel. Since 2015 I have been blogging on the correct approach to the Bible, comparing spiritual with spiritual. Chiastic structure is one among many modes employed by the Spirit.

The Gospel is the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. That's the true gospel.

Is there anywhere in this app to take notes?

Heavenly Father, I pray that Olioli8 grows stronger in You by reading and understanding Your Word. Olioli8 put on the Spiritual Armor. Father God bless Olioli8 with a healthy life. In the Mighty Name of Jesus Christ. Amen

I'm Battling Demond's have been for a while. I feel nothing anymore and I have lost all hope. I've tried everything. I work every Sunday haven't been to church in a few years and it bothers me. I pray and cry, but I really don't think he hears me because I'm not saved. It got so bad I called the suicide hotline. Any ways I guess I was just needing something. thanks for listen.

Hi Bennymkje,

Very good. :) I read somewhere that holiday actually comes from holy day. The ancient Jews would go to Jerusalem for holy days. And, now we have that word.

Hello Bennymkje,

I recently read about chiasitic structure in the Bible. Apparently, Revelation is written using that interesting style. I am still reading up on it. But, I wanted to share.

Hello Theodorse,

Yes. Also, a supplemental informational resource is Josephus, History of the Jews.

I want to add that many modern Bible translations have omitted things or altered things. So that's another unfortunate aspect to be concerned about.

If you lay the KJV alongside the NIV or ESV, there are many many differences. If the Catholic Church is behind it, then perhaps they are altering stuff to make their doctrine fit.

The True Gospel (part 5)

A prime example of the nature of the true gospel is the parable in Luke 16 of the rich man and a beggar named Lazarus, who laid at the rich man's gate, full of sores, and desired to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. On the face of it, from a physical point of view, this poor beggar Lazarus had absolutely nothing going for him. But when God rolls back the curtain and enables us to see what happens when both of these men die, we learn that Lazarus in actual fact had everything going for him, as we find him resting in Abraham's bosom whilst the rich man lies in the grave in torment, sorrowing for the fact that he can do nothing to change his circumstance.

Please visit ZionInTravail on YouTube and the web to learn more about the True Gospel and the Day in which we are living.

The True Gospel (part 4)

The true gospel is transparent to nationality or economic status or political standing. It has nothing to do with economic prosperity or with socio-political issues. When the churches become involved in political activism or social or economic issues, they forget that the task of the believers is to be an ambassador of the kingdom of God. When Jesus was placed on trial for his life at the behest of the chief priests, Jesus said to Pontius Pilate ( John 18:36)

36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Concerning political rulers, the Bible commands in Romans 13

1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. 5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

The true gospel has been emasculated in our day as the churches have become more involved with the social and physical and political issues of the day, which in themselves have nothing to do with the true gospel. Sure, Jesus fed the 5,000 who had come to hear him, but that was not his primary mission, and later we read in John 6:15

15 When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.

Continued in part 5

The True Gospel (part 3)

Christ did not make atonement for sin to give us whole bodies, as many teach. That will only take place at the resurrection of the last day when we shall instantly be changed from corruption to incorruption, and from mortal to immortal. Our present bodies are fashioned from the dust of the ground and shall return to the dust. When mankind fell into sin, God cursed the ground from which man was formed. Surely, it can be said, if Christ died to give us physical health or physical healing, then the gospel is an abject failure, because each and every day, approximately 150,000 people on average die all over the world. They die for a variety of reasons, most of which relate to physical disease of one form or another. If they became a true child of God, are they prevented from physically dying? No. If someone who is sick becomes well again, is the faith of that person what healed him? God can heal, but God can heal in the life of one who is not saved just as quickly as one who is saved. The emphasis of the gospel is on the spiritual, not the physical. The believers who have experienced the first resurrection, namely the resurrection of their sin-sick souls, shall receive a brand new incorruptible spiritual body at the last day.

When Christ and the apostles performed miracles and healed the sick and gave sight to the blind, those were physical portraits pointing to some spiritual aspect. Once Christ went back to heaven and the apostles died, any miracles of that kind ceased. When Christ healed the sick, he did so to demonstrate that he has power on earth to forgive sins.

Matthew 9 (see also Mark 2:10; Luke 5:24)

6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.

Continued in part 4

The True Gospel (part 2)

The true gospel has to do with the primary problem facing mankind, namely the wages of sin, which is death, and the penalty demanded by the law of God, which is the second death, eternal damnation. God sent his only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, into the world to save sinners. Christ, who is eternal God in every sense of the word, and who was without sin, was laden with the sins of all the elect who were given to him by the Father before the foundation of the world, which had nothing to do with their works. Christ paid the eternal penalty demanded by the law of God on behalf of the elect, and only the elect, who are just a remnant, a tiny part of the whole. Christ said, I and the Father are one.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

1 Corinthians 15

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Continued in part 3

The True Gospel (part1)

The true gospel is circumscribed by the Bible, alone and in its entirety, the 66 books of the Old and New Testaments, in its original languages. The King James Version is translated from the oldest and most reliable manuscripts available, and the translators have sought to stick as closely as possible to the original text, which is in stark contrast to the modern translations that use inferior manuscripts and seek to reinterpret the original text and put it in more understandable language. That said, the KJV is far from perfect, it does contain errors, and the KJV translators were heavily influenced by the doctrines of the church, which when viewed from the superior vantage point of our day when we are very near the end of time and God is opening our understanding to many truths that were previously kept sealed ( Daniel 12:4,9), were very often faulty. Therefore, the serious Bible student should always carefully check the original languages of Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek using the modern tools that are readily available, such as interlinears and concordances, which are keyed to the KJV.

By definition, any gospel that cites an authority that is outside the 66 books of the Bible, or narrower than the Bible, is false. That includes gospels that look upon other books as divinely inspired or that feature the teachings of those who claim to have received direct revelation from God, whether in a dream or a vision or tongue, as in the tongues described in 1 Corinthians 14.

Revelation 22:18-19

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Continued in part 2

About being sealed, the Bible clearly warns throughout, to take heed lest ye fall, to guard against back sliding, and in Ezekiel talks about a righteous man,turning from righteousness, will die in his unrighteousness. In Revelation, to the seven churches, warnings of falling away, and to turn back. Also, in several books, the admonition to "return to me and I will return to you." And, we are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling.

This is serious stuff. We can lose our salvation. Once saved always saved is a lie to lull people asleep.

In regards to Thanksgiving, some historians believe that the pilgrims were actually celebrating the Feast of Tabernacles. The idea of inviting guests, showing hospitality, is very very important in Jewish culture. The pilgrims invited American Indians. The pilgrims were Bible adherents and inclined to keep the prescribed feasts of the LORD.

Matt.6:8-13 "The Lord's Prayer-3"

The prayer of Jesus as given in the Gospel of John helps us to understand the prayer recorded by Evangelist Matthew. The Amen at the end of the Lord's Prayer is replaced with vv.20-26 giving a context to all prayers since his death and resurrection.

17:20 " Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word." He was well aware of the mandate of his Father was as the Savior of the World and not in a limited sense. He sanctified himself on account of the 12 disciples, significance of the number being fixed and he sending them two by two established the Principle of Association. (10:40; Luke 10:16). Now he knew his hour was nigh so he prays for all 'them which shall believe on me through their word'.

17:21 "That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me." Here we are given an insight into the function of the term "Amen," being intended a tag, Unity of the Spirit that the world may believe that thou hast sent me." Instead the church riven with heresies tell another story. Miry clay trying to compromise with the defunct Roman empire is neither here nor there.

17:22 "And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:." The only glory Evangelicals on either side of the Atlantic are Cathedrals or mega churches, monument to the doctrine of Jesus Christ wrongly applied. Love, joy forbearance such fruits of the Spirit are glossed over when the congregation says 'Amen' what one misses is,'That they may be one, even as we are one'.

17:23 "I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one..." Perfect in one is what the Prayer began with,"Thy kingdom come"( v.10) In glossing over the deity of Jesus, reasonable faith deny 'works' the key to abiding life. It is time the Church got their worship in Spirit and truth.

Hi Jesse,

Thanks for the reply, we do agree on much and I also enjoy our discussions. The Greek definition of the soul and death is where I cannot find that in the Scriptures and that is where our understanding parts and I feel the eternal punishment of the lost comes from the soul is immortal.

I believe God and Jesus dwell in us by the Holy Spirit and we have been sealed, the down payment has been given, 2 Cor. 1:22. We are sealed unto redemption day, Ephesians 4:30, and my understanding is that is when we are resurrected.

The same Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead will also raise us and quickens our mortal bodies, Romans 8:11, and that is when we receive immortality and our glorified bodies 1 Corinthians 15:53-54. God and Jesus do not still dwell in us after we die/sleep there is no communication, Psalms 6:5. We have the down payment/earnest, the promise, our hope.

Thanks again brother, have a great day.

God bless.

RLW

Matt.6:12-13 "The Lord's Prayer"-2 (2 of 2)

In this connection God tells King Solomon, "I have heard thy prayer and thy supplication, that thou hast made before me: I have hallowed this house, which thou hast built, to put my name there for ever; and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually."(1 Ki.9:3) God laid the condition on Solomon which he failed to keep.

'Put my name there forever'

'Forever ' in the above passage serves the same purpose as Amen at the end of the Lord's Prayer. In conclusion we have this v.13. "For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen." We are praying to 'Our Father which art in heaven' and we conclude referring to the power and glory of his Son and Amen is an act of faith.