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Sacha, "animal" skins. Maybe the covering on their bodies initially was transparent and then God clothed them with what we know of as skin. Just another take.

Thanks Mishael, I am just learning about this site, and your suggestions will be helpful to me.

Hi, Line upon line, precept upon precept, is in reference to learning from Scripture how to live God's way. Reading and studying Scripture, and perhaps, somewhat systematically instead of haphazardly, will profit the learner over time. Line by line, is to avail yourself to the whole counsel of God in Scripture, reading the whole bible repeatedly over your years here; reading the Scripture in context, not going here and there, plucking verses out of context; and reading Scripture with comprehension one sentence at a time, so to speak. Precept upon precept is to build up your knowledge of God's revelation to mankind, one idea upon another to deepen your understanding of God's work in history and how to apply the concepts to your life. It is building upon a foundation of faith in Jesus into the full measure of what God would have you become in Christ. There are other ways to consider these concepts and I hope others will chime in. I wrote what it means to me. Thank you for asking. I was thinking about that verse just a day ago!

how do you here the voice of GOD, is it a thought that comes to mind, or can you actually hear him speak to you

Hello Chris and those on this thread. I, too, have not memorized large chunks of Scripture, but have read through the Bible many times. The Holy Spirit is faithful to bring to us to remembrance of a Scripture heard or read at appropriate times. We are blessed to have Bible in hand or online in our own language and concordances, likewise to help us finding the verse brought to mind and read it in context.

that said, I have committed to memory verses that are of special meaning to me or a number of verses on a specific theme. I often do as you do, read and re-read (rote learning is effective) I also think that having the verse read out loud . to me is also an aid to memorization, along with trying to put the verse into a simple song. having something tangible to remind you of the verse can help, if there is something tangible to use, like a rock to remember that Jesus is the rock that followed the Israelites in the wilderness, for example. Having a buddy to memorize the same verse and making time to practice reciting to each other can help. using the time on a walk is a good time to practice a verse saying it in the cadence of your walking step, or if you like swinging, say it as you go back and forth on a swing or in a rocker. These are all things that help me, and as a teacher of young children, I know that such methods work well for memorization tasks. The most important thing is that we be doers of the word and not just readers. Scripture is written that we may have eternal life in Christ and as a guide to apply to our daily life so we can live a godly life in a wicked, fallen world, as a light in the darkness, among other reasons.

I come asking in Jesus name that my heart be healed my kidneys function is healed in Jesus I am on the heart transplant list but I pray God allows me to keep the heart that was given by him . Lord I am healed in Jesus name and I thank you God in advance for my healing Amen.

Martha, I don't think a stronghold can keep our prayers from God. he is knowledgeable about every one offered who answers may be hindered by unconfessed or unrepentant sin in the life of the one who prays or the one who is prayed for. On the other hand, God may delay an answer simply because it wasn't the right time inn God's wisdom to answer it. Sometimes prayers are not answered how we like because we have asked wrongly, not in accordance to the revealed or unknown will of God. Romans 8:31-39 tells us that God if God is for us, who can stand against us and no one can keep God from giving us all things (paraphrase), especially that nothing can separate us from the love of God in Crist Jesus our Lord. So, keep on asking God for what you need, and leave the answers up to Him and His perfect and good counsel.

What an amazing testimony Mari. The Lord has truly saved you. Thank Yah that you no longer have to endure the abuse. Praise Jesus.

what happens at the marriage super of the lamb??

Chris, well stated. I have recently studied and thought deeply on the matter of Jesus' DNA. For a long time I thought he had his Y chromosome from the Holy Spirit and the X chromosome from Mary, but upon diving into this, I realized that all of Jesus' DNA was from the God, as Adam's was. This is the only way that Jesus could be conceived without sin or the sin nature, as you said. If, for argument's sake, we say that Jesus' DNA was half from the Holy Spirit and half from Mary, He would have the sin nature, but would it have been possible for Him to live a sin-free live with this nature? I couldn't really say, since He was fully God and fully man, which none of us are or will ever be. So, genetics is an interesting way to view this idea from, but that, Jesus never passed His DNA, which is physical matter, on to anyone. he never fathered any children. I know that you agree with this, but I have read so many people's ideas that think he married Mary of Magdala and had children. (This such an idea is a heresy and is reflected in the stories of the "Holy Grail" of the Knights of Templar.) I just wanted to put this out there because it think it is important to identify false doctrines and refute them, as you do so often in your posts. Thank you for your diligence and adherence to sound doctrine. As Christians, following sound doctrine is important in our mortal life and many people have not been taught about the historical Christian doctrines that have undergirded the church since the beginning or have been taught that doctrines don't matter, or who do not have much desire to discover these sound doctrines. Paul commended Timothy for having been nourished in the words of faith and of the good doctrine which you have carefully followed. (Ep:4:6)

Hi Eric Lopez, Yahweh and Jesus have the power to keep someone from recognizing them. Usually he does this to test their faith. We have to remember who we are dealing with. The Almighty Yah has all power in his hand.

Pierre Gonzalez I give you words of encouragement and prayer. Remember that Yah promised to be there for the sick. It doesn't matter how bad it seems or gets, Yahweh is there. Yahweh we come before you in the need of a healing. May you please touch Pierre's father in a very special way and heal his body, mind, spirit, and soul. I ask this in the name of Jesus.

Serena, according to the word it is not right to be with a married man. That is not right in the eyes of Yahweh. If I were you I would end that affair and repent as soon as possible. I hope this helps.

Celeste,

you are correct. Fasting is a good spiritual work. It can be a fast planned a head of time or at regular intervals, for some people, or it can be a fast when something serious arises that warrants a time to fast and pray, and sometimes one is prompted to fast though the reason and situation is unknown to the person, but the Holy Spirit prays with the person as intercession is made for an unknown circumstance.

you have spoken well in this posy, Mishael. Everyone receives the indwelling and filling of the Holy Spirit at conversion. Some people have a later experience similar to what happened in the book of Acts. This is the Holy Spirit readying someone for a definite calling or to equip someone to exercise a specific spiritual gift. Ephesians 5:18 speaks of being filled with the Holy Spirit, which I have been taught is to be continually filled and refilled. There have been times in my life where I just tootle along living for God, and other times when I feel the Spirit pressing hard on me to do or say certain things or just have a troubling in my heart and I pray without knowing specifically what I am to pray for, but knowing that the Spirit prays with us. In each of these situations, the result of me following these leads have helped and blessed others or I find out within a day or so that someone had a major trauma or diagnosis, (one person had a life-threatening stroke) or that someone died (this has happened to me twice). In all of these situations I felt that i should fast and pray before doing or saying anything. I don't think it is always wise to be quick to share a prompting or urge. Taking it to the Lord first and waiting on Him is always wise.

Lynda

I once beleived in the teaching of the Bible. The stories i was taught about the bible were not as perfect as stated. And of all the not so correct teaching. i find this to be the most insane thing ive ever seen or heard

Hi, just jumping in, if I may. In the past week I have felt led to study some on Gnosticism, as one of its tenets is for adherents who "have the inner light" will receive special revelations and hidden knowledge outside of Scripture. Perhaps you could study this a bit, also. "The Gnosticism of Modern Evangelicalism" is a good article. There are more. Much of Gnostic practice is really occultism. For this reason, I am not drawn to participate in situations where people relay a "prophecy" from God or when people tell me that the "Spirit told me to tell you" type of conversations. I am not saying that these things cannot be legit, but most of the time, I think they are not, especially if someone claims to receive such prophecies and knowledge in "private" settings. Something to consider.

Hi , it's me again , third reply to you which is just a thought from me : I noticed that there isn't any more mention of Adam and Eve offering any more sacrifices for their sin , could it be because God Himself killed that ram and made those skins for them and that was enough for them for the whole of their lives ? Recognise the pre cursor ? Just a thought .

Hi James , my second answer to your question : I should also have pointed out that this scenario is echoed in Genesis Ch 4 , when Cain offers , as a sacrifice , of the fruit of the ground , in others words vegetation , taking us back to the way in which Adam and Eve originally tried to covers their own sin with leaves , this offering is not acceptable to God . Abel offers of the firstlings of his flock and the fat thereof , blood has been shed . This offering is acceptable to God . Sorry I didn't say this in my first reply to you .

And again, the story of Jacob and Esau is referred to again in Hebrews 12:14-17, where believers are exhorted to pursue peace with all people and holiness, warned to avoid any root of bitterness from springing up to cause trouble, which defiles many and leads many to become fornicators and/or profane like Esau. The text in Hebrews goes on to tell how Esau sold his birthright for a morsel of food, and then later, wanted to have the inheritance back with its blessing but he was rejected due to his lack of repentance. From these N.T. Scripture we can consider that Esau di not wish to follow the ways of Isaac and his grandfather, Abraham. He wanted to run his own life his way. He is described as a fornicator and profane. This may be literally so or figuratively so, or both. Either way, Esau was rejected by God as the heir of the promise for reasons God knew in His perfect wisdom inn election of some to be vessels of his wrath an others to be vessels of his mercy. ( Romans 9:22-24) I suggest reading the whole section in Romans 9:1-33.

So, apparently God in his foreknowledge elected Jacob the heir of the promise, and Esau, in his free will choice to depart from the way of faith of his father and grandfather, was not elected. For me, I do not wrestle much with this matter, as I trust God's way and wisdom. If I was an unbeliever and read these Scriptures, I would be disturbed and either reject God or seek how to be saved, which depends, ultimately, on God's foreknowledge and election. God will never turn away a contrite heart who desires to be saved. He will make a way for this person to hear the gospel and give faith to believe by grace. Jacob was not a perfect brother, by any means. But, would become a man of God as he grew in grace and knowledge of God in his lifetime. I am reminded that later in history, God will identify himself as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. They were elected and blessed by God despite their failings, but acted on the faith God seeded in them

Hi David, It is a pleasure to discuss spiritual beliefs with others, even when we have theological differences! Now to Adam's ability of free will. Before Adam received the "breath of life" as recorded in Genesis 2:7, he had no life. All the faculties' we humans have, were in place. However, he could not choose to give himself life until the Spirit entered him. This is the only way we can have spirit living. Adam lost this at the tree. We can choose evil over Good. Remember Esau, he could choose to turn his back on God, but what did he experience in terms of giving himself back to God's promise? Hebrews' 12:17, "For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears."

As you well stated, "they lost the Spirit connection with God." Since then, humans, have lost that connection with God, and we are incapable of living the Spirit life of God by our choice. This is why Paul writes in Ephesians 1:4, "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love." We are drawn to Spirit living by God's grace. God calls us. We do not choose Him; He must choose us. God commanded Adam and Eve to leave the Garden. They lost the Spirit of God in them. Therefore, they had no right to enter again. Cherubim angels guarded them from returning to Eden, though like Esau, I am sure they regretted their actions with tears.

We have the human capability to believe, but this is not saving faith. Saving faith, required to sustain our connection with God, is not something we grow into. It is a gift, Ephesians 2:8-9. And not a choice on our part. Recall that Jesus is the "Author and Finisher of our faith." Everything spiritual that Scripture says the redeem have is from God, and not of ourselves.

It says that Esau was born first and he was red and hairy. it doesn't describe Jacob. So, we do not know what Jacob looked like. It seems that they were fraternal, not identical. This description of Esau will be important in the next chapter.

As they grew up, Esau was a skilled hunter, and Jacob, a shepherd. They continued to dwell in tents, still needing to move their flocks from pastureland to pastureland Esau was the stronger, and Jacob supposedly was mild in demeaner. The parents favored one child over the other, Isaac favoring Esau, and Rebekah favoring Jacob. Since Rebekah never conceived again, each parent could spoil their favored child. I am sure this caused a lot of problems. Both children could be seen as heirs to God's promises, both being of the promised seed. The firstborn would customarily have the birthright blessing and the other a secondary blessing. It seems that Esau did not value the birthright very much. Maybe he knew that the birthright would include following after God like Abraham and Isaac. he may have not been interested in spiritual matters as much as Jacob was. Esau was willing to trade this treasured birthright blessing for a bowl of lentil stew when he returned from a hunting excursion famished, stating her was near death with hunger, probably an exaggeration. Jacob was cunning and took advantage of his brother.

Isaac and Esau are spoken of later in the N.T. in Romans: 9 where it speaks of the true Israel not being children of the flesh, like Esau, even though he is a seed of Abraham. Rather it was the children of the promise that are the true Israel by election, elected before they were born and had not done good or evil. This election is not of works, but of God's purpose and calling. This encounter about the birthright was not the event that determined the election of Jacob, not Esau. It was determined before they were born. God was not going to make a people for Himself out of two brothers, but out of one of them.

Isaac and Ishmael did reunite and buried their father together. How much interaction they had prior to this or after is unknown. Notice that it was after Abraham died that God blessed Isaac. He was now 75, the same age that Abraham was when God called him to leave Ur. isaac was blessed by God through Abraham during his life, but now he was the family patriarch. He had been living at Beer Lahai Roi, in the Negev, southwest of Mamre (Hebron). Beer means well, Lahai Roi means "of the Living One who sees me." This very well may be the well that Hagar found when the Lord appeared to her when she was sent into the wilderness at Sarah's request. At the time, the wilderness area had plenty of game animals.

The next part of the chapter gives the lineage of Ishmael and account of his death. He had twelve sons (princes), just as prophesied, and the descendants dwelt across Saudi Arabia. Some of Keturah's sons' descendants also settled in northern Arabia, as well as to the east in what is later called Midian. Ishmael lived 137 years, living about 50 years longer than his father, Abraham. It says he died in the presence of all of his brethren, perhaps all of his sons.

The next section is an account of the birth of Jacob and Esau. Again, like Sarah, Rebekah was barren for some time, at least 20 years. She was probably a teen when she married Isaac, as was customary. Both new of God's promise and covenant with their father, Abraham. Therefore, they must have expected to have had many children within that 20 years. But no, none. Isaac pleaded with God concerning Rebekah's barrenness. God answered his prayers in His time. The pregnancy was unusual, as Rebekah felt that there was "wrestling" going on within her womb. She was concerned and asked God to give some explanation. He spoke to her (before it seemed that God spoke only to Abraham, but here He speaks to a woman) telling here that two nations are within her, twins, and gives a prophecy about the children.

He didn't mean the crucifixion , he was pleading for people of the last days an the wrath , for he knows there will be so many that are deceived, an they're not going to be in good spiritual shape ,.. even on the cross itself he quoted scripture,.. he truly taught, right to that 9 th hour ,.. always keeping us , in mind , an loving ways

2nd Thessalonians chapter 2 , will happen first ,.. Then we are to do what mark 13 , Matthew 24 & Luke 21 tell us to do ,.. Then , like a thief in the night shall Jesus come ,.. an why like a thief in the night ? Because most everyone will think he's already here , cuz that's just how good the deception is, Lucifer comes as Jesus, an he certainly will be a great actor, for it's not flesh he's looking to destroy, it's your soul / sprit, that he is going to destroy,..

peace

6th day creation,.. God made all the flesh races on the 6th day ,.. hunters , fishermen,.. etc,.. an he looked , an it was good, ( genius chapter 1 , last 4-5 paragraphs) he rested on the 7th day ,.. an then on the 8th day , he needed a farmer , one to till the land , of a blood line for Jesus to come threw ,.. an of course, satin has always tried to screw up Gods plan of salvation,.. failing of course in all ways ,.. nothing happens without our Fathers knowledge and control,..

peace

Such and interesting chapter. And the comments were informative. Even though I am very familiar with this story, I am learning new things each time I revisit. It appears that Abraham married another of his concubines, Keturah. We do not know how long she was part of Abraham's household, but she was young enough to bear 6 sons which probably took about 12 to 15 years or so. Verse 6 said that he had sons from his concubines, so he may have fathered sons from women other than Keturah, as well.

These sons were old enough to set out on their own. Abraham knew his time of death was near. that is why he gave everything to Isaac (the inheritance and blessing) and made sure that the sons from Keturah were well gifted so they could start out on their own away from Isaac and Rebekah. These sons of Keturah settled East of where Abraham, Isaac, Rebekah, Jacob, and Esau lived (west of the Jordan River) (The twins were born when Abraham was 160 or so, since Isaac was 60 when they were born.) Abraham lived almost 50 years longer than Sarah. So we do not know if these sons were all born after Sarah died or before, or before and after, since Keturah was already his concubine, but made her his wife. There is a lot we do not know about this time of Abraham's last 50 years of life.

Just as Ishmael was sent away after the child of promise (Isaac) was born, these sons of Keturah were sent away because the promised was through Isaac's family line. We do not know the ethnicity of Keturah like we did with Hagar (Egyptian), but most likely she was not from Abraham's kin, Nahor. Abraham knew God who the promised lineage should descend from and he protected that. Abraham lived to a ripe old age of 175. Jacob and Esau would have known him, being 15 when he died. He was buried in the cave with the body of Sarah. Thus it became known as the Cave of the Patriarchs and is still there, though it may not be able to be accessed by the public.

Brother Rick, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

I would like to expand the truths of your comments a little farther.

Revelation is two judgements, the first being the saints of God, as you said ( 1 Peter 4:17).

The gospel of Christ hasn't YET been preached to the WHOLE WORLD (from ADAM to CHRIST they had already died). This will happen after the first judgement of the saints, which is happening in the TIME of their suffering in the FLESH. When all the saints have been gathered, THEN, the second resurrection, at which time the saints with Christ, will declare (judge) the gospel to the WHOLE WORLD ( Revelation 10:11).

Judgement is not PUNISHMENT, as most believe, but is coming to TRUTH, by the words and works of God. In this AGE, ONLY, to those CHOSEN (to be saints and judges, GIVEN eyes to see and ears to hear. Everyone in God's APPOINTED TIME.

The whole world has been RECONCILED to God, through JESUS CHRIST; they just don't KNOW YET ( Colossians 1:20).

Matthew 13:11 He answer and said unto them, Because it is GIVEN unto you (the saints) TO KNOW, but unto them (those not called to the first resurrection) it is NOT GIVEN.

Christ creating HIMSELF in HIS SAINTS, how else can you JUDGE RIGHTEOUSLY, unless you have HIS MIND.

God always CHOOSES MEN, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Samson, Gideon, Joshua, the twelve, Paul, etc., etc. In THIS AGE, first death (to Christ, to his Word), first resurrection (his and the saints resurrection), first judgement (into TRUTH, THE LIFE, THE WAY) he is choosing ONLY THE SAINTS.

All others will be resurrected back in their FLESH and be JUDGED in CHRIST (HIS WORDS) by THE SAINTS and CHRIST and brought to the TRUTH that God HAS RECONCILED the world to himself through his Son Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 15:28 When ALL THINGS shall be subdued to him, then shall the Son himself be subject to him who put all things under him, that GOD may be ALL IN ALL.

You don't CHOSE me, I CHOSE YOU.

What does it mean when scripture says line upon line and precept upon precept

this is the word stay true and always be ready