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Thanks for your response Adam, it is insightful and thoughtful. I have a few disagreements though. In regards to the definition - isn't our behavior influenced by either a submission to God or a submission to our flesh? James 4:7. Romans 8:6-8. I have yet to find a psychological theory about behavior that refers to God's word & sin and not worldly/secular explanations that are unbiblical. Doesn't it matter that psychology was heralded by people like Wundt, Freud, Jung, Skinner - all people who denied the Lordship of Jesus and were unbelievers? Matthew 9:17-18.

Positive thinking was started by Phineas Quimby who hypnotized people. He believed that the body was a reflection of the mind and all illnesses were a result of false beliefs. He had conversations with Mary Baker Eddy (Christian Science founder) and influenced her to believe that 'right thinking' in accordance with scripture could cure any ailment. I don't think that 'positive thinking' can be aligned with the word of God.

Philippians 4 says 'by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving', not by 'positive thinking'. I believe Matthew 6:34 is in relation to submitting to God and trusting in Him, something atheists do not do. It was not meant to just say "don't worry about tomorrow" (which would be worldly wisdom) but "trust in the Lord" which is Godly wisdom. I would argue that psychology says "trust in yourself" and the bible says "deny yourself", two viewpoints which are incompatible.

I would say counseling is good as long as it is biblical. Shouldn't everything center around the Lord and His word? If you talk to a counselor and they do not point you to the bible and Godly wisdom, the only other option is they are pointing you towards worldly wisdom. The bible says we have a heart issue, not a mental issue. Jeremiah 17:9-10.

1 Corinthians 1:18-25. Acts 17:10-12. I think everything needs to be tested against scripture.

Thanks for the discussion Adam, I appreciate you.

I think your question is asking what is a Fast? Because the next lines in the scripture explains Jesus answering why they couldn't fast while they were with him. Mark 2:18 Mark 2:19-20

Hopefully these scriptures are helpful

Daniel 1:8

Daniel 10:3

Ester 4:16

Isaiah 58

Isaiah 58 whole chapter

Isaiah 58 :13

Deuteronomy 5:14

Mathew 12:1-8

Mark 2:27 -28

Luke 6 most of chapter

Hopefully that's helpful

Please pray for me, that I love others without dissimulation. Pray that I follow Jesus whole heartedly, and seek Him daily.

Please pray for my mom and brother that they continue to seek the Lord, and mature in their faith.

Please pray for my dad and other brother, that they may come to know the Lord.

Thank you for your prayers. God bless you all

God, bless your Word in my life. I pray don't take you spirit from me. Surround me with the Blood of Jesus, bless with understanding I pray.

I don't know about Seattle, but there are many great preachers on FM Radio you can listen to daily. Greg Laurie is on there and has a new spot on cable too.

He has a channel on YouTube too. There's no reason for you to starve spiritually until you can find that church that is a perfect FIT for you.

Some Churches are trying to help Gay Lifestyle folks, COME TO JESUS.

If it was me in Seattle, I would email Greg Lauries's ministry (Harvest Church)

He lives in California. He will know of a church in Seattle you can start attending. Include a zipcode?

Praying and the Bible was taken out if public schools in 1962. People have gone in every direction since then. Romans chapter 1 describes them.

God wants you to be in a Church that nurtures your spirit and helps you to grow as a Christian.

I was a street preacher just like Greg. Seen everything. We are to keep ourselves spotless from worldly activity. I do understand your desire to find a place to learn, fellowship and help out if needed.

Go Look up that CONTACT US, email name

May the Lord lead you and keep you.

Mishael

Thanks and God bless Brother Dan.

It's big business for sure, but to those who are beat up by life, psychology is a way to help us find out why we are upset or sad. I saw one when I was 17. I discovered I was normal. I just needed to confront issues instead of bury them. Very common problem.

Once I found Jesus, I learned that if I tell Him about things I was confused or ashamed about;

He would comfort me and then show me places in the Bible that would help me again, to see that I'm normal. But I could handle things differently.

Blaming is a sure sign that there's a sin issue. Me or someone else. I can't make others change, but I can change how I feel about issues.

FORGIVING myself and others, opens the door to Communication. Just get it out. Say how you feel. Forgiving takes out the sting that hurts so much.

If we have a 6 pack of soda pop, we take them out One At A Time. Problems are sorta like that.

Problem number one, sometimes eliminates the other 5.

Understanding, from reading stories in the Bible, we learn how to do things God's way, instead of how we try to fix it.

The greatest thing you have is your prayer life. Prayer is Communication. Back and forth. God WANTS to be a part of that. If we aren't talking things over with Jesus, there is no way for us to understand each other. Make Him your best friend.

Jesus was a teenager once. He absolutely knows how you are feeling. He is the SON OF MAN. He's all God, and He's all human. He's an expert on all ages.

Come back here anytime and we will do our best to be helpful and kind.

Mishael

God deserves all our praise

Jesus is the one calling you. I felt exactly like you do. Like everyone was staring at me. They aren't. It just feels that way.

Even tho you can't see Him, Jesus is at the front of the church. Walk towards him. Receive His salvation in a prayer. Write the date inside your Bible. Start reading it in the Book of John.

He will never leave you, no matter what happens.

We are here to answer any questions you need answers for.

Hi Jon,

Thanks for explaining your question a bit more. This is an interesting question I haven't heard before and I'll gladly share my opinion. I personally do not see much scripture support against what you call psychology. So to start I looked up a definition of 'psychology' and Cambridge dictionary says: "the scientific study of the way the human mind works and how it influences behaviour, or the influence of a particular person's character on their behaviour:"

My understanding is it is just studying our mind and how we think. In a counseling session we discuss our thoughts/feelings/thinking and someone can sometimes help see any negative patterns and can sometimes help someone. There is pastoral counseling that is often the same thing. It's my belief that the Bible supports positive psychology concepts like positive thinking, for instance Philippians 4:6-8. It also challenges us to not be anxious, to take each day one at a time: Matthew 6:34. These are practical psychological wisdom that even atheists usually agree with, but this wisdom came from God.

My view of psychology is something everyone already does- such as talking to teach other. Fellowship is Biblical and is also therapeutic- not much different than talking with a counselor in my opinion. Also education and learning is ok, and that is also done in church. Challenging ourselves is also a positive thing. The Bible is full of personal challenges, and much of them is mental or psychological, such as focusing on following and emulating Jesus and not on sin.

What I think you did is interpret 1 Cor 3:5 as to avoid all wisdom from man. But it says don't put your "faith" in them. It doesn't say don't go to school, college, to not learn anything, to not ever be counseled, to not even talk to your parents, or anybody who says anything personal. So, my interpretation of this verse is probably different than yours and I see no problem with psychology. God bless...

Jon Wisdom of men is World Wisdom, Wisdom of God is action inspired by the spirit.

Jon The things your concerned about in so called psychology which is basically science of the mind, when a person believes and gets born again and puts on the scriptures which is putting on the mind of Christ he becomes a new creation in Christ. 2 Timothy 3:14-17 is explaining the purpose and profit of the scriptures so that the man of God may be perfect to do good works. Also look at 2 Peter 1:3-10. We put on a new nature not possible if not born again and walking by the spirit.

I love this Bible it's so helpful in church I just whip out safari! But, I have a question I'm 12 so I prayed to myself and I think I'm saved and don't know if it means I am and,what if I'm scared to go and get saved??!!

Hi Adam, I am mainly referring to verse 16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness". This seems to say that the word of God is sufficient for our walk with the Lord and for our issues/problems. The other verses I mentioned all place the word of God over the wisdom of men. Does not psychology count as the wisdom of men? This is how I am reading these scriptures, I am wanting to know if I am way off base or if I am getting this right because some of my family members seem to be okay with psychology and it does not seem right to me. Also, Jeremiah 17:9 says the heart is deceitful and wicked. Sounds like a sin issue, not a personality disorder or a psychological problem. I hope that helps make my question clearer.

Hello, Likely, there is a gospel mission/tract effort in Seattle that you can fellowship with.

Hi Jon, I don't comprehend your question yet about 2 Timothy 3:13-17 and psychology. Perhaps you can break it down further. What verse specifically and what phrase in that verse do you think sounds against psychology?

Dear Julia,

Don't believe everything you hear, especially if it attempts to discredit the Bible, God, or Jesus. This is a spiritual battle and even well-meaning Christians aren't immune to being deceived. If you dig or talk to enough people, you can find criticism for everything, but the real question is: is it true? The burden of proof falls onto the one making the claim.

You said it's unsettling, but it's not unsettling to me, because I know 100% that what you heard is false. The Bible we have is already from the original texts. The KJV is a translation of the original texts and a very accurate one. Satan has attempted to discredit and cause doubt in believers since the beginning of time.

God bless...

Hi Brother Earl,

Thanks for your input regarding this scripture, even though we don't see it eye to eye.

Revelation 22:12-14

12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

I believe this scripture is plainly spoken, and easily understood. I believe Jesus says what he means, and means what he says.

God Bless.

Prayer for heavenly intervention in a court case that involves land grabbing by a man called Mpani Zingisile from the rightful owners of the land ....... the Sbunu group....please pray that the cas e be finalized and dismissed in the name of Jesus Christ.

Our pastor said this piece of scripture is not part of the original texts and believes it is not written by John

Can you shed some light on this ? This makes for a pretty unsettling mindset for one such as myself who has grown up in church all my life - 48 years- and I've never heard this

Dear Brother Spencer,

I'm glad to hear that you believe in the scripture Revelation 22:12-14. I too, believe it, and feel that this scripture speaks for itself! You related that we evidently have a different interpretation of the scripture, and that is very evident.

I pray that God's Holy Sprit will guide both of us toward the proper understanding of not only this scripture, but all scripture.

I enjoyed the interaction, and until we can talk again, Peace, and God Bless.

Hi Brother Dan.

Yes I believe that scripture but I believe we have a difference in interpretation.

I thought we covered it already, however I will elaborate further.

My Quote:

you've posted 2 scriptures, I will deal with Revelation 22:12-14. first.

HERE IS THE WORK.

John 6:28-29. Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

Jesus answered and said unto them, ( This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.)

When that's done then this happens. Philippians 1:6. Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

And this. Philippians 2:13. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Furthering on.

In Revelation 22:14-15. we have 2 groups here. Verse 14 THOSE SAVED FROM THE CURSE OF THE LAW, ( CHRIST BEING A CURSE for us.)

Verse 15 by its description of the group is those who NEVER Received Christ and washed by the blood. You and I was apart of that group also. Christ plus the Law didn't save us, It was Christ alone.

The 10 Commandments wasn't given to us to keep or "Try" to keep for salvation, It was given to Israel while God carried them on eagles wings to show the world it was in need of a savior. The law couldn't change the inner Man. Only the outer parts of the vessel. Here's a n example.

Mathew 23:25-26.

Burnt works, Still saved.

1 Corinthians 3:11-15.For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

If any man's work shall be burned, HE SHALL SUFFER LOSS: BUT HE HIMSELF SHALL BE SAVED; YET SO AS BY FIRE.

G.B.

Brother Dan, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and understanding.

You quoted: Revelation 22:12-14

I believe you are not applying the pronouns in the verse to the correct person.

Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I (CHRIST)(SPIRIT)(TRUTH)(LIFE) come quickly (during each persons fleshly life span), and my (Christ's) reward (Spirit, Truth, Life)(the gift of God) is with me (Christ), TO GIVE (Spirit, Truth, Life) ever man according as HIS (Christ's) WORK shall be.

Revelation 22:13 I (Christ) AM Alpha and Omega, the beginning (of creation) and the ending (of creation), the first (of creation) and the last (of creation). The first man BORN OF SPIRIT (truth and life) and the last man BORN OF SPIRIT (truth and life).

There is ONLY ONE BODY (Christ) and ONLY ONE SPIRIT (the Father). Being born of TRUTH (the word(s) of GOD) will result; at the end of SUFFERING in the flesh, you BEING MARRIED (BECOME ONE) with CHRIST.

He who is born of FLESH is FLESH.

He who is born of SPIRIT is SPIRIT.

God is SPIRIT; thus you become a FULL BROTHER TO CHRIST. A SON OF GOD, and all that implies.

Remember, you DIED with Christ and was resurrected to HIS LIFE AND WORKS.

You can not add YOUR WORKS.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they (those alive in Christ) and that do HIS commandments (Christ; now you life, never broke a commandment of God), that he (new creation in Christ) may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates (Christ and those married to him) into the city (OF RIGHTEOUSNESS).

Faith comes by hearing his voice the word which is also the good seed that initiates a spritual pregnancy which is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen The baby, the fetus as Christ is gonna be formed in US, Thats y he has to know us thats when the good seed is sown in our hearts that will form Christ in US That Child of Promise which is the H.G. thus Christ is the FATHER of the H.G. that Child of PROMISE. When he breathe on them that was his word his seed thus the H.G was formed in them .Then he said b/c i have spoken these words sorrows have filled your hearts a spritual pregnancy when a woman is in travail she has sorrows ( the fetus ) But after the Child comes her sorrows are turned into Joy. Thats y Isaiah calls him everlasting FATHER he is the FATHER of the H.G Emanuel which is God with in us He reproduces after the God kind thats y he said that which is born of the spirit is spirit thats the H.G Emanuel . Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil CHILD you will in no wise enter there in. Thus the H.G.IS TRULY THE GRANSON the beginning of an ISRAEL OF GOD that is gonna be as the stars of heaven an Israel of God. born is humanity. It was God the Father that made that Promise of multiplication of Christ seed. Jacob was the Granson in the ABRAHAMIC TRINITY but Isaiah speaks of a heavenly Jacob coming in the last days in Isaiah 49 of both Jew and gentile. k lemme go

Glenn The birthdate of Jesus Christ has been worked out Biblically Historically and by the accurate study of the stars to be Sept. 11th 3bc. I encourage anyone to look into it.

2 Timothy 3:13-17. Does this relate to things like 'Christian' psychologists or psychology in general? Things like the DSM or personality disorders, etc. Isn't God's word sufficient? Psychology is rooted in the wisdom of man (and from those who denied Christ no less like Freud and Jung) so why should we listen to them when we have the word of God? 1 Corinthians 2:5, Proverbs 14:12, Proverbs 16:25, 2 Timothy 4:1-4, 1 John 2:15-17, Hebrews 4:12. Are these not related to 2 Timothy 3:13-17? Do we need to be 'diagnosed'? Are psychology and God's word compatible? If they are I would like to see some scripture that points to this (I know the Bible will not say 'psychology' specifically). This is important to me and my family as it is seeping in at the moment and I want to approach this biblically.

In response to those who have said it does not matter which day is the Sabbath or we do not have to obey commandment #4 of the 10 commandments.

God gave us the day that he wanted us to worship him in Exodus 20:10.. Just because it is in the OT does not mean we should not obey these 10 commandments. God rested and sanctified this particular day and asked us to always remember it

The 10 commandments are NOT null and void. God gave Moses 2 sets of laws, one was for the Israelites wandering in the wilderness(Moses law) the other was the 10 commandments given for all mankind(Gods law) Moses's law was nailed to the cross when Jesus was crucified no longer were animals to be sacrificed.

In Matthew 22:36-40 the Pharisee asked Jesus, Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus replied, Thou shalt love the Lord the God with all they heart and with thy soul, and with all they mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

There are 10 commandments the first 4 (on the 1st tablet) is what God asks us to do for obedience unto him, the last 6 (on the 2nd tablet) are what we are to do for our fellow man. On these two commandments hang all the law.....

Go to Exodus 20:3-17 and read the 10 commandments and ask yourself why you would agree with these precepts except for 1 of them #4.

Obviously commandment #4 is a big deal, the papacy (Constantine) thought to change it and made his sabbath on the first day of the week, God didn't ask for that nor does He approve of it.

Going to church on Sunday is done out of tradition, God didn't ask us to worship him on the 1st day of the week but on the 7th day..

God bless you and please pray and study for truth, the "Sunday blue laws" have been in the past, they will come again very soon and our right to worship as we believe will be taken away... God Bless (google Sunday laws)

When ya think about the law think about David and Bathsheba and Uriah a love triangle, The early Church was still married to the LAW but she had a relationship with Christ and birth a Child but the Child ( Christianity ) was sick and died in its infancy, The 1st Child died. Romans 7: 4 Thats y Paul is saying you are dead to the law ( Uriah ) by the body of Christ (DAVID) that you should be married to another even to him that was raised from the dead,That you shall bring forth fruit unto God which is the H.G The CHILD OF PROMISE, . At Horeb Moses married all ISRAEL to the law. And the LAW was still their husband Thats y Paul said you are dead to the Law by the body of Christ, that you should bemarried to another even to him that was raised from the dead. David put away Uriah as Christ put away the law . Bathsheba was barren under Uriah as Israel was barren under the Law, but became fruitful under David. But the 1st Child died .My lil children of whom i travail in birth AGAIN AGAIN till Christ be formed in you WHICH IS THE WOMAN IN REV 12. tHEN THE kINGDOM COMES. UNLESS YA RECEIVE THE KINGDOM AS A LIL CHILD ETC. Solomon saw the 2 nd Child that shall stand up in his stead and there is no end to the ppl that he shall be king over which is the manchild that is gonna be born in us.That Woman in Rev 12 is giving birth to the 2 nd Child,The H.G the Kingdom Child . The Kingdom did not come under the 1st Child ( Christianity ) the early Church. But the Kingdom comes under the 2 nd Child. Rev 12 now is come salvation and the Kingdom of our GOD ETC Rev 12 : 10. But to love God with all our hearts and our neighbor as our selves is the very essence of God. which is the righteousness of the law.

Hi Brother Spencer

Nice to hear from you. I'm glad to hear you say that you believe in the 10 commandments, and that you take them seriously. It's what God wants from us!

I agree, none of us will be able to be perfect, and keep the 10 commandments at all times, or remain perfectly sin free. That doesn't relieve us from trying, and when we fail, we can ask God for forgiveness through his son Jesus Christ. His sacrifice on the cross, is God's gift to us to allow us to obtain forgiveness of sin, not an excuse to say I believe and continue to sin!

You offer up this scripture: Matthew 22:36-40, and John 13:34-35, I agree, this is Jesus summarizing the 10 commandments, to Love God, and Love our nieghbor. So, if we believe these verses, then it's only logical that we should also believe all of the other scripture related to Jesus asking us to observe and try our best to keep the 10 commandments!

Many Christians today, including some on this site, seem to NOT believe they will be judged for keeping God's commandments and producing good works. I've previously submitted this scripture in some of my previous posts on this site. This scripture is (very powerful and enlightening) from Jesus speaking approximately 40 years after his death:

Revelation 22:12-14

12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

A simple question Brother Spencer, Do you believe this scripture above? Yes, or No?

God Bless.