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Sharon51051,

I am in agreement with what GiGi has shared and if I might "piggyback" and share something, in 1 Timothy 2:9-10, Paul gives instructions concerning dress.

To adorn means to dress. In fact, the Greek word is where we get our word cosmetics from. To put on an appearance would be a good general description of what he's saying here. Modest apparel is something that's orderly, acceptably, and decent.

The word shamefacedness is an old English word representing the Greek word that has to do with orderly or Godly fear.

Paul goes on to say not with broided, or braided hair. This has to do with that in those times, the women would braid their hair and then wrap it up into a bun. They used to call it the "bee-hive."



So they would wrap their hair up on top of their head, and then they would weave jewelry in and out of it. And then they would go to church. Do you think anyone's going to notice them? Oh yes!

But you see, that's the whole point here. With braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly garments. But be presentable in that which becomes women who profess godliness that they belong to God, through good works. The word good (Agathos) is spiritual good.



In essence, what he's saying is don't be a distraction. Don't try to "gussy" yourself up to look your absolute best so that people would notice you.



On the other hand, don't try to dress as lousy as you can so that people notice you. People are going to notice you and be distracted from the purpose of being there, which is to learn of the Lord and worship Him, and have fellowship together.

God bless!!!

Let God be the judge and I rest my case.

Thank you Pnovello, another faithful prayer partner here.

Rob is getting his first treatment right now and my husband and I are with him. We pray that God will touch his brain through this therapy and heal it both physically and that God will heal his emotions and bring him to faith once again, healing him spiritually. He has 6 weeks of treatment ahead (and lots of driving to and fro since the clinic is two hours away. We hope he will allow us to come to appointments with him as support. He is 36 and has been dealing with depression and anxiety for 20 years. But more recently has actually pursued treatment more thoughtfully. So, hopefully he finally wills to be well, and will yield to the work of God in him.

Thank you, Jesse, Rob is getting his first treatment right now. We are all hopeful that this therapy will prove effective for Him. It was FDA approved about 10 years ago and is slowly becoming available across the U.S. and insurance companies are now paying for it. So, it is a real blessing to have been developed in our time.

Hello Carleton,

Yes, there are so many ways we can give love to others. Brethren in Christ can greet each other in holy ways. Paul speaks of a "holy kiss". That must have been customary to do so in His culture. In ours, a "holy hug", "handshake", or "pat on the shoulder" can be such as a holy kiss. A cheerful, friendly, and sincere verbal greeting is always welcome. Willingness to stop and pray for or with someone is another way we engage lovingly with others. Sharing meals with others works well.

We can become isolated from the love and affections so easily in our fast paced lifestyles, and especially online, it is easy to be aloof even when posting thoughts. I do know there are many on this forum who do not or rarely post, but they are ones in our fellowship circle here. We should be mindful and prayerful for these who do not communicate much, but read what is posted. May they all be blessed this day in the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit.

Hello Kstott,

You can find accounts of John the Baptist int he beginning chapters of each gospel, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

Read Matthew and Luke first, then Mark, then John.

Hi Sharon,

In Genesis you can read how Isaac's servant, Eliezar, took jewelry with him to the family of Rebekkah and when taking her for Isaac's wife, put bracelets, necklaces and a ring in her nose. This was customary practice for that time and was not disallowed by Scripture.

In Paul's epistle, he does speak of women adorning themselves with humility and godliness, as opposed to the proud way women displayed themselves at that time with fine jewels and clothing and hairstyles. He was not prohibiting the wearing of such things, but speaking to the way a Christian woman should wish to be adorned inwardly, in her character that shows forth in her way of life, which commends her to others, whether she wears jewelry, braids her hair, or by her clothing. The inward character defines a person, not what is shown outwardly as far as fashion.

Very true, Amasuca, our pedigree or credentials do not merit us anything before God.

yet, we are to study and show ourselves approved of God. So, we are not to turn away from study of God's Word, using the mind God blessed us with to understand what the Spirit is teaching us in our studies. And if we are able to write thoughtful words that align with Scripture, that skill can be used of God to help others understand spiritual ideas. If we have a gift for orating, then God can use that speech to help others learn and mature in Christ. We should apply ourselves in every way God avails to take hold of the truth of Scripture and to draw near to God in Christ. We can train our minds to learn from Scripture, the preaching and teaching of others, and from our times of quietly meditating on the things of God while the Holy Spirit fills us with understanding in all of these instances.

It is better to become literate than to remain illiterate. Being literate and able to read and reason allows us to not only learn from Scripture but also to be discerning of what others say about God and His Word, being able to recognize false teaching from true teaching.

Yet, God is above and beyond our abilities or lack thereof and is more than able to bring truth to our inward being. He is the One who provides and allows us to come to know the truth and Him in Jesus Christ.

Dstviiiv, I agree with RicoUS and Shabbat. It is only through Jesus that prayers are answered. Please don't read the catholic bible. Read the KJV BIBLE.

Father God, please bless John and his family. Meet his needs and he will praise and give You glory.

Thank You, Father God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Amen

Yes Lord, as RicoUS said, that by Your love, meeting all Your children's requests, You will be glorified through Your Son, Jesus Christ.

Holy Spirit, fall fresh on us. We are willing to be Your servants to be used as living testimonies of Your power.

Father God, bless us with a successful day that will bring You glory and honor.

Father God, bless RicoUS by answering his pleas. Thank You.

In the Mighty Name of Jesus Christ.

What Elijiah had in the old testament is different to what we have today. He did have the Holy Spirit, however, it was limited to certain people and not for all mankind today after the cross. What took place in Elijiah's day was before the cross, before the crucifition and rssurection of Jesus. After the cross it is a different story.

Acts 2:16] But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

[17] And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God,I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

[18] And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

[19] And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

[20] The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

[21] And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

David, Samuel, Isaiah etc. had the Holy spirit like Elijiah, however, it was very limited in the old testament.

Psalm 51:11] Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

1st Samuel 9:9] (Beforetime in Israel, when a man went to inquire of God, thus he spake, Come, and let us go to the seer: for he that is now called a Prophet was beforetime called a Seer.)

Heavenly Father, I pray that this new medical therapy be successful for Rob. We believe that all things are possible since we believe in Your Word. Father God, You sent Your beloved son, Jesus to heal Rob. Jesus, You sacrificed Your life for Rob.

We also pray that his job will always be there. Rob will be a living testimony of Your love, mercy and grace. In the Mighty Name of Jesus Christ.

Thank You Father God, Thank You Jesus and Thank You Holy Spirit.

Gigi, please keep me posted. Love you my sister in Christ. God bless you and your family.

Elijah was never sent to the cross and died for my sin. It was Jesus Christ the Son of God who paid it all for me and not Elijah. What you have is a very bad teaching. Elijah served as an example of a man of God, however, he did not send the Holy Ghost down nor did he give gifts unto mankind. What Elijiah did in the Old Testament was before the cross, we are after the cross in Christ and not in Elijiah. The bible does not teach, that Elijah was a double for people. Bring me the scripture? It does not exist. An antiChrist Gospel for sure and not out of the mouth of God, as there are no scriptures to back up what you are saying.

Jesus came and spoke words of spirit and life from what he heard from God his Father John 6:63. Jesus never spoke his own words, he received words from his Father in heaven. After the cross, Christ is in me by faith as it is Christ in me the hope of glory. I don't hope you make heaven, I posess that hope in Christ Jesus.

St. Paul was talking about the gifts of the spirit not about the spirit of Elijiah as Jesus sent the Holy Ghost and not the spirit of Elijiah to mankind.

John 14:22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The gifts of the spirit is the result/ evidence of the Holy Ghost and not Elijiah's spirit.

Ephesians 4:[8] Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

Yes, that's what I meant. The Devil/Satan is our enemy who walks around like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. The battleground is our souls.

What does the Bible say about, "The wearing of jewelry"

Did you know that can have the most grandest of titles over your name, and be the most sought after in your field.

As a preacher you can preach the greatest message, and be loved of all.

You can have degrees, and be skilled in writing, and be the most influential, and still have your name blotted out of the LAMBS book of life.

All those things are good, but unfortunately not good enough for our LORD.

My credentials are in heaven.

Last Part.

Conclusion

I pray that you will read for yourself, for Hell is not An Abstract the same as the Bible which is Living the True Word of God.

As you read the theory then comes the practical and in the practical, there is two option you are either a righteous man through the repentance at the cross or You're a sinner living in your sins in this world that is passing away with its Lust.

A Tree is Tree whether it is Still standing or fallen and where it falls there it lays.

Says the Preacher who was king over Jerusalem.

Part A.

Hi

First of all I believe the Bible is the word of God, it is true it is pure and without abomination

It is written in

Proverbs 8:7

7.For my mouth shall speak truth;

And wickedness is an abomination to my lips.

8.All the words of my mouth are in righteousness.

There is nothing froward or perverse in them.

Hell is a real place and not an abstract and it was never created for man but for the devil and his fallen angels.

In the book of Ezekiel chapter 32, The Lord spoke to His prophet Ezekiel and gave him word of Judgment to bring to pharaoh king of Egypt.

And from verse 2 to 18 the judgment is issued to the king and all the land of Egypt

But at the start of Chapter 32:18,

Prophets Ezekiel receives the word of the Lord where he is informed to weep for Egypt and all its people and at the same time God revels Hell to us in this verse where Egypt is to be cast down to the depth of the earth. Egypt and famous nations which are going down to the pit.

As we continue to read, we see that those Egyptian will be placed among those killed by the sword and those famous nation such Assyria is there, The Elams, The endomites Etc.all who are killed by the sword.

In Verse 23

The Lord point this for us That in Hell there is(Recesses of the Pit,)

And the meaning of recesses is this

1.The depths or innermost part of something

2. a small space created by building part of a wall further back from the rest.

All this indicating apportion or section a cage a cell in hell where this people are held.

Another thing that stands out from this verse is that Those who are in hell they caused terror in the Land of the Living, again showing they are not living but are dead.

In Verse 24 the last part we see the wording are in continue present tense indication this action is still happing. And I will quote the last the part on this Verse. Which is in

Ezekeil 32:24

yet have they borne their shame with them that go down to the pit.

Conclusion

Where do I read all about John the Baptist.

Saw it long ago and it is a good one. Alan Bates Haylie Mills act in it.

Matt.2: Recap

The Generation of Jesus Christ sets names of places, persons and events all in the orbit of the only begotten Son who as the Word became flesh draws them into him, past present and future. So the three wise men from the east to worship 'the king of the Jews' and the queen of Sheba coming from the south to hear Solomon relate to him in their respective generations. "The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here."(12:42) Faith is like gravitational force holding each generation in his context. For this reason King Herod, the little horn, the beast stand condemned as enemies of Christ for their injury against the holiness of God.

Faith marks Jesus as the son of God so his kingdom bears no comparison to what apostate Israel may have labored under false expectations of a Messiah-King. "My kingdom is not of this world" and heavenly Zion bears no relation to what preoccupied in the minds of Orthodox Jewry. Mountain of the Lord is founded on the foundation stone, which is Zion (Is.28:16). Micah prophesied,"And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem." ( Micah 4:2)

For the reasons mentioned above the significance of Bethlehem stands in context of the bread from heaven cast upon the waters before the worlds began and not with a literal place. Wherever bread is mentioned in the gospels as in the case of the Last Supper it is broken by Jesus and given about signifying his body broken for mankind.

please pray for my daughter Jessic and her family please remember me in your prayers.

Matt.2:16-17 "Slaughter of the Innocents"

Herod "and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under,"

Historical Herod was capable of this crime despits of this moniker as the Great, as Constantine the Great was. On a flimsy charge of suspicion he had his son murdered. They belong to enemies to Christ,"Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,/Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;/ Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."(2 Ti.3:3-5) Herod would have had many killed at his death for the sheer pervesity of spirit. Yet he was in his time revered by a section of Jews who called themselves as Herodians. Constantin was of the same stripe. When Satan takes over the worldly worthies and places a crown on them, one may be sure there shall be much blood letting. God does not apportion so many innocents slaughtered by so and so but it is part and parcel of the same sin that entered into the world because of man's disobedience.. All judgment s left to the Son for whom a day is decreed and each shall give account of their deeds. Till then the slaughter of innocents whether 15 or more does not merit any special mention.

Scholars who doubt the veracity of Matthew's account err for the simple reason that the numbers are provided by the Spirit who hold both worlds as one. "And they went out, they and all their hosts with them, much people, even as the sand that is upon the sea shore in multitude, with horses and chariots very many."(Josh.11:4)

By Law of Gradation all the martyrs are grouped on one side within the frame of reference to the Son against those perpetrators of the crime. In the divine Will the emblem of the slain Lamb refers to the blood offering of his firstborn in fulness of time. Weigh against this the death of frstborn in Egypt. (Ex.12:29)

I beg to differ with regards to Elijah, and please check the quote from St Paul Col.1:16-17. I follow KJV and read comparing spiritual with spiritual and as St Peter says,"As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God./f any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God" (1 Pe.4:11) So we are discussing the matter as oracles of God. (2 Co.5:20) What does St Paul mean with 'And if Christ be in you? (Rom.8:10) is it not that he died to sin and the world and lives now in heavenly places. There is only one place for a Bible preacher or a teacher. to be his ambassador or a double. Elijah was one and I by the grace of God strive to be one. So my own talents,'glory', ego, appetites are hid in Christ. Every believer worth his salt has been sanctified by the word, Thy word is truth, Jesus said. As a Bible preacher, I am sure you agree? Jesus sent his disciples Matt.10:40 Luke 10:16. Principle of Association is eternal as the word is eternal. So Elijah, St Paul,you and me are as double or Associates with Jesus Christ. He.13:8

Hope you are ok , I can guess why you have gone :) . I will miss you . Stay strong in the Truth and the love of God . See you one fine day , much love in Christ .

May God bless you too Jesse A and thank you for your reply to me , always enjoy your posts :) .

Jesus showed who he was to the multitudes on hoping they will believe but they did not. He fed them, healed them and when he preached to them they ran away.

John 6:5When Jesus then lifted up his eyes, and saw a great company come unto him, he saith unto Philip, Whence shall we buy bread, that these may eat?

6 And this he said to prove him: for he himself knew what he would do.

7 Philip answered him, Two hundred pennyworth of bread is not sufficient for them, that every one of them may take a little.

8 One of his disciples, Andrew, Simon Peter's brother, saith unto him,

9 There is a lad here, which hath five barley loaves, and two small fishes: but what are they among so many?

10 And Jesus said, Make the men sit down. Now there was much grass in the place. So the men sat down, in number about five thousand.

11 And Jesus took the loaves; and when he had given thanks, he distributed to the disciples, and the disciples to them that were set down; and likewise of the fishes as much as they would.

12 When they were filled, he said unto his disciples, Gather up the fragments that remain, that nothing be lost.

13 Therefore they gathered them together, and filled twelve baskets with the fragments of the five barley loaves, which remained over and above unto them that had eaten.

14 Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.

15 When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.

Jesus did not want to attract attention that is the last thing he needed to be an earthly king when he is already our heavenly king. This was all prophesied in Isaiah 8:16-17. If Jesus was made an earthly king, God would have lost his only Son.

Isaiah 8:16] Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.

[17] And I will wait upon the LORD, that hideth his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him.

Don't know where you get your teaching Elijiah serves as a double for the Son. Not bible. John the Baptist had the sane spirit as Elijiah which means he had the same words. Elijiah himself did not come down to John the Baptist, John had the same spirit as Elijiah. Elijiah visited Jesus and he will be coming back with Moses according to Revelation 11:6. Elijiah did not physically serve as a double for Jesus. That is like saying your earthly mother is serving as a double for your sister. It don't work that way. Samething in the bible. It is the spirit of words Elijiah that people had and not his person.

Rev 11:6] These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Malachi 4:5] Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

[6] And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Matthew 17:10] And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?

[11] And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.

[12] But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.

[13] Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

Mark 9:4] And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

[5] And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

[6] For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid.

[7] And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

The battle is sure agianst ourselves as our own mind wants to take us out of the bible word. A carnal mind is sin abd death. Your own mind is your own worse enemy, never mind the devil. Your ownself can get you out of the bible and loose your salvation. Don't know where you get your gospel from? It is a very perverted Gospel what you preach and not a gospel that Paul preached.

Romans 8:[5] For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

[6] For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

[7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

[8] So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

[10] And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Galations 5:17] For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

[18] But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.