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Re the word "JEW". Up to this point the word "JEW" was perfectly ok !

It simply referred to " ALL residents of JUDAEA" Peter..in Acts ch 2 vs 5-14 goes some way to prove this. He describes "JEWS" in v 5 as traders/people from anywhere in the world ( ie. NOT ONE RACE of people ) as "JEWS" - and addressed them as :- "Ye men of JUDAEA" v 14. These were the visitors..the core of people were Edomites living in JUDAEA. (see previous comment) ( You may also like to note that in v 22 Peter calls ONLY "Ye men of ISRAEL" to repent and be Baptised" )

BUT !

In 19th century the Zionist Movement was gaining ground and power...and it decided it wanted Palestine. But to do this, they needed to impress their history on us all and so changed the definition of a JEW. No longer as it was....ie of JUDAEA" but they claim of "JUDAH". and added saying that a JEW is "anyone born of a Jewish woman ( !!!) ...or a convert to Judaism". Many Bibles were still in Latin...and education was lacking..so it was easy for them to persuade the churches of a "slight amendment " (!!) re the word "JEW". Of course, the introduction of antisemitism was a help !!! ( 1850 AD ) .

Now I will NOT go further along this thread I hope you understand that it leads to 1948.....but I will say that one should be careful with knowledge and how to handle it.

What I will do now is begin to give the PROOF of what I have written FROM THE BIBLE..and much of JESUS Himself and GOD HIMSELF.

A side track :- JESUS warns (eg. Mark ch 7 vs 5-13 ) of the "traditions of the elders"......ie. Judaism ..which came out of Babylon:- Rabbi Stephen Wise - about 1860-1940 - an eminent Jew in New York - said :" The return from Babylon and the adoption of the " Babylonian Talmud ( oral )[ ie tradition of the elders]...marks the end of Hebrewism and the beginning of Judaism." Believe it !!!!

I will continue.......

Would you help me understand how LORD God (Gen.2) could have created the beasts after he created Adam, but BEFORE he created Eve, but God (Gen.1) created the beasts before both Adam & Eve?

Also, why were the plants created BEFORE man in Gen.1, but in Gen. 2 it was AFTER Adam had been created?

By the way, it's not the validity of the Bible I dispute, but the interpretation of it. Most people say God & LORD God are the same being, but how can that be when the order in which they created things is contradictory?

Thank you.

Folks....I have several responses...some rather in advance of my own comments which are far from complete ! : eg. to Chris I say : I would think that Israel in exile in Assyria would be a place "without godly guidance"...referring to your remark about "lost sheep".

To Rick, RLW, Adam....thank you but give me time to explain these things ! Having done so....I will then give the proof of the BIBLE. s.

The letter "J" was invented in the 16th century...also too early for usage in the 1611 KJV. ie. "JESUS" was spelt with a capital (i) John as Iohn, etc.. But this is beside the point.

In 586 BC the Kingdom of JUDAH was ended and the men of JUDAH were exiled to Babylon. Nebuchadnezzar was aided by the Edomites to do this.....and GOD was furious...with an everlasting hatred. (Mal ch 1 vs 2-4 ). Jerusalem was left empty so the Idumeans moved in and occupied it. ( Edom - Idumea, was adjacent, south of JUDAH so it combined and YES, in the days JESUS walked in the world, ..the two "countries " were as ONE !! ( Yes, there were the John Hyrcanus's and other skirmishes for the land ....but in JESUS' days on earth Edom and JUDAEA were "ONE" kingdom under the Herod kings...the "sons of Antipater of IDUMEA. You should remember that the 4 Herods between them wanted to kill JESUS -as a baby; they killed John the Baptist; they killed James the brother of John; they tried to kill Peter, they killed Stephen, and they killed JESUS CHRIST.

The land had been renamed as " JUDAEA" by Babylon and it existed from 586BC to 135 AD when Hadrian -sick of the Jews- humiliated them by renaming JUDAEA as Philystria..Philistine.

Back to modern days.......So the word "JEW" was 1st used in the Bible from about 1765 ish and the Blaney version of the KJ was one of the first 1769 !

IT MEANT :- "ALL inhabitants of JUDAEA"..... NOT...NOT of "Judah " JUDAH was finished as a kingdom. I will continue from here. ! Give me time !

Can anyone tell me who the prophet Isa. is talking about in Isa. 9:6?

How can u dear brother in Christ tell christian ppl that they do did so and not and that. Or what do u mean?

It is not your problem if some is like babyes or some may growed in the Lord!

All comes to Jesus Christ in all stages if its reading or spiritual experiences!

My dayes have being always too take Gods Word seriously. Not ever make a fun for it. We got the Holy Scripture from the jews, remember. I'll always stand up for the Lord and jews ppl, always defender Jesus. It is me and you who have got the gift for nothing! Gentiles

I pray for Israel and bless Jerusalem, and my heart is broken when i think about what happens there in the real world.

And all my heart is longing too go there. Almost cracked.

U may remember all over web that is is all kind of ppl, not always christian ppl is here. And we all should be knowing and never forget what big offensive many ppl unfortunately have for both jews and christian ppl.

God bless you with patient and take care in Jesus name.

Rick, I apologize, I think I may have been misunderstood. I was referring to the whole Bible when I said; "I stay with the King James version, meaning all the scriptures from Gen. 1:1 to Rev. 22:21 and everything in between. Including what you quoted and even what Paul said earlier in Gal. 1. Even Paul's conversion(revelation) as you mentioned, wow what an experience!, let's look at that. Paul (a Jew) a believer in the one Jehovah, Lord, God Almighty getting knocked down, blinded by a light, being told, after he asked who it was (rhetorically), that it was Jesus ( Acts 9:1-8). Then was instructed to go to Damascus and there a preacher would tell him what he needed to do ( 9-18 ) to complete what ever the Lord had for him, even being baptized ( Acts 9:18 ). Yes! I would agree with what he said in vs 12 of Gal. 1. He also said in Rom. the 6th chapter that we are buried with Him (Christ) in baptism, and another time he wrote in Eph. 2:5;"Even when we were dead in sins; hath quickened us together with Christ,( by grace ye are saved )" vs 8; " for by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God: vs 9 not of work lest any man should boast." Time or space will not permit me to mention: Phillip. 2:5-11; Coloss. 1:13-17 or 2:8-12; 2 Thess. chapter 2; Hebrews ( don't know if Paul wrote it, like to think so ) chapters 8,9,10....so many, all good stuff. In Christ, God Bless.

Do you think God is senile or remiss in How he chooses to deal with the WHOLE HOUSE OF ISRAEL?

So you need to explain why God seems not to move boldly and decisively? Woe. Is He to blame for turning his face away, as Jesus hung on the cross bleeding out for the sins of mankind.

We were just uncircumcised Gentile dogs, until we received His Salvation; prepared before the foundation of the earth. By His death, we're we grafted into his death and resurrection.

How do we smugly stand here and think ourselves better than the Jews? You skipped over the part where it says WE ARE ALL GRAFTED INTO ONE TREE even JESUS CHRIST.

Ephesians 4

3 Endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

6 One God and Father of ALL who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

That's his plan. If we do not pray for the (known Will of God Almighty)pray for the peace of Jerusalem the scales will fall from eyes and earsthey will finally see their Messiah. I wanna see a real Jewish style hoedown in Heaven :D (Can you tell I'm Texan?) lol

All these things we write about our Jewish kin, will be reviewed at the Bema Seat. Faith in Gods Word helps us put off prejudice and put on Praise.

Everything I know comes from sitting in a closet with the Holy Spirit. I cannot convey with words how close we can get to Him. All he needs is one person to believe in his mission from Jesus. Jesus brought Him to us at no small sacrifice. He didn't baptise us and load us up with reference books. He gave us the Holy Spirit!!!

Luke 12:31-32

Did you notice that the Tree of Life was moved from Genesis to the Book of Revelation?

Jeremiah 29:11

God bless...

Matthew 15:24: "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel".

The Greek word for lost, 'apolummi' (in this context) refers to those of Israel who were perishing/ruined, being devoid of godly teaching & guidance that should have been the blessing, comfort & guidance of the sheep. It would be incorrect to think that Jesus was speaking about those dispersed & lost into the nations. Just adding this, since you asked.

Deon,

Thanks for the response. I completely agree with you that Hades is not Hell. I also agree with your description of Hell. I used the word Hades because that's the word the Greek text uses. The word Hell in Luke 16:23 is the word Hades in the Greek text. There is actually only one place in the Bible that is actually Hell and that's the lake of fire in the book of Revelation, the final destination. In fact, Hades will be emptied out into the lake of fire. The word Hades means the place of unseen spirits. No physical body, just spirits.

Prior to the death of Christ on the cross, when a person died they went to a place called Hades. For the ones who will eventually be sent to Hell, they were on one side, and the saints waiting for the Messiah to come for their salvation were on the other. Scripture tells us that there was a great gulf fixed between the two compartments of Hades. No one could ever cross over from one side to the other. Today, there is only one compartment to Hades and it is full of those who are waiting for the final judgment, and they will then be cast into the lake of fire. There is no hope of salvation for them. Those who die rejecting Jesus Christ will no longer have a chance at salvation after death. Ephesians Chapter 4 tells us that when Jesus died that for three days and three nights He was in the heart of the earth. He was down setting the prisoners free. He was down in Hades on the side where the saints were with Abraham.

As a matter of fact, in Matthew Chapter 27 it tells us that when Jesus rose from the dead, many of the Old Testament saints were seen walking through the streets of Jerusalem because He the raised them up. He went down there and preached to them (the OT saints), and told them that their salvation has been purchased for them and they will now be with Him in paradise. These were the saints that were with Abraham.

I'm out of space here. Would you like me to address the second part, along with the verses you sent?

My God Jehovah is "terrible"; meaning in this case- His is awesome, great, wonderful to behold, beyond anything we can think of, amazing, awe inspiring, astounding....

However none of these terms do justice to describe the true greatness and majesty of the Lord Jesus Christ, God Almighty.

Praise the Lord. May the Lord shine his face upon us; May His blessedness be continually upon all who call Him Lord and Savior. May we truly await His coming even in the face of all the turmoil and grief we go through.

September 6, 2021

Romans 9:11

(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to ELECTION might stand, not of works, but OF HIM that calls)

Romans 11:5

Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the ELECTION OF GRACE.

Romans 11:7

What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the ELECTION hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded ((the Jews))

Romans 11:28

As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

The law so designated by Paul ( Gal. 3:24, 25). As so used, the" "word does not mean teacher, but pedagogue (shortened into the" "modern page), i.e., one who was intrusted with the supervision" "of a family, taking them to and from the school, being" responsible for their safety and manners. Hence the pedagogue was stern and severe in his discipline. Thus the law was a "pedagogue to the Jews, with a view to Christ, i.e., to prepare" for faith in Christ by producing convictions of guilt and "helplessness. The office of the pedagogue ceased when "faith" "came", i.e., the object of that faith, the seed, which is" Christ.

GALATIANS 3

But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore THE LAW was our SCHOOLMASTER to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that FAITH is come, we are NO LONGER under a schoolmaster.

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

***28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are ALL ONE in Christ Jesus.***

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and HEIRS according to the promise.

Don't preach separatism. Mishael

I'm looking for a phrase from the book of Jeremiah. It starts out , I know the plans I have for,plans not t harm .. I can't find that phrase.. thanks for your help..Bart

Be angry and SIN NOT.

Jeremiah 3:12

Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the LORD; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the LORD, and I will not keep anger for ever.

This shows ME that I should never allow myself to be taken captive by runaway anger or bad moods.

A.W. Toner wrote a great book, titled LIKE CHRIST. It'll change your life. :D

The Good Shepherd gives his life for the sheep: He never uses His rod or staff to clobber. He guides.

Rodd The line of believing came through abraham and the tribe or nation of Israel it was absorbed by other kingdoms because of disobedience to God and the Term Jew started to apply to peoples out of Judea. That doesn't change the truth that Jesus christ came out of the believing line of the Nation of Israel. That's why He said He came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel because that's who the Promised Messiah was coming out of. In His Service

Rodd I believe I know where your going with this and I'll wait for your reply, also I never said you weren't clear, there are people who seem angry just because others disagree and then its this is the way it is. The only thing I'm saying is explain it biblically. In His Service

Amen Brother Dan,

You're welcome.

God bless.

Rodd,

The way I understand this, Jesus came for the lost sheep of Israel, to fulfill the law, the prophets, and confirm the covenant. Jew, the term "Jew" did not even appear until the southern kingdom of Judah was taken captive of Babylon. Jew is an abbreviated slang term for Judahite. Today most people consider anyone in the religion of Judaism a Jew.

The Jew back then were those who were in the kingdom of Judah/Judea under the laws of Moses and came to Jerusalem to obey the feasts and they all were called a Jew. Jesus was of the tribe of Judah which would make Him a Jew.

Jesus spent time in Judea but left Judea for Galilee when John the Baptist was arrested, to allude the Pharisees and Sadducees not Jews. The people in Galilee were Jews also. Samaria that was in between was mostly the tribes of Israel that had mingled with Assyrians

The house of Israel is all the tribes, after the divide, the kingdom of Israel and the kingdom of Judah both is the house of Israel and the lost sheep is from both.

I know this does not answer all your questions but may it help.

RLW

This is so beautiful god bless everyone

Kevin: "who specifically is 'God' that raised Christ?"

RESURRECTION By The Triune GODHEAD!:

(1) The LORD JESUS Raised HIMSELF From the dead!: "JESUS Answered And Said Unto them, Destroy This Temple, and in three days I Will Raise It Up!...But HE Spake Of The Temple Of HIS BODY!" ( John 2:19, John 2:21 cp John 10:17-18) +

(2) God, The Father Raised HIS SON From the dead!: "Whom God Hath Raised Up, Having Loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that He should be holden of it!" ( Acts 2:24 cp Acts 2:32, Acts 3:15, Acts 3:26, Acts 10:40, Acts 13:30, Acts 13:34, Acts 17:31; Romans 4:24, Romans 6:4, Romans 8:11; Ephesians 1:20; 1 Corinthians 6:14; 2 Corinthians 4:14; Hebrews 13:20; 1 Peter 1:21) +

(3) The Holy Spirit Raised The LORD JESUS CHRIST From the dead!: "But if The Spirit Of HIM That Raised Up JESUS From the dead Dwell in you, He That raised up CHRIST from the dead Shall Also Quicken your mortal bodies By HIS Spirit That Dwelleth In you." ( Romans 8:11 cp Acts 2:24, Acts 2:32; 1 Peter 3:18)

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, And Edified!

Hello,

I'd like to kindly point out that I noticed your logic that because the letter J didn't exist until x date, that __[insert assumption here]___. It seems like you're using this logic to try to discredit a word with a J that you don't like, as if it doesn't exist or something. But if you apply that to Jews then you would apply that to the King of the Jews, and you would apply that to Jerusalem, Joseph, and even Jesus. Does that mean you don't believe Jesus exists or that there's a problem with the word?

The imperfection in this logic is English is a language and the Bible in English is a translation. English isn't as old of a language as Hebrew or Greek for example. And languages sometimes evolve. English used more latin in the early translation, which is why you see I instead of J. There's nothing wrong with that. It doesn't change the meaning. You also have old words pass away and new words be introduced. This is all normal. The Bible is a translation and it's already translated correctly. Jesus is a correct translation. Jew is a correct translation. I thought I'd take a moment to explain this. God bless...

Hi Rick,

I assure you I am not angry. I am lucid and not muddled. We are dealing with a very sensitive topic - and one that few are acquainted with...ie who is ISRAEL !!! You see there has been a successful endeavour to hide the truth..and it is a MASSIVE conspiracy which has blinded the church..even the world. And it occurred only 170 years ago.

Firstly though - Jesus is the Christ and ALL that HE claims to be....in fact all that GOD says He is.... SON of GOD..'begotten' of the Father; and as I said before ie. a Man chosen by GOD...to be the First Fruit of Mankind and when He said " It is finished" His work on earth was done and He was raised up by His Father, GOD, and THEN Glorified, given all power in Heaven and on earth; given the seat at the right hand of the power of GOD.. to become the "Mighty GOD " of Isaiah ch 9 v 6.....and will be the Everlasting Father of ISRAEL in the New Covenant..and David, His father, will be king....in the world to come. And this will all be done by the zeal of the Lord of Hosts - All mighty GOD (v 7 ) .

The problem is here in the world. I don't wish to repeat my previous message..but ISRAEL " disappeared " and scattered about the world.....Their eyes were shut..and still are shut. Deut. ch 32 v 26; Isaiah ch 29 vs 10-11 or Isaiah. ch 44 v 18.

(Worse....they have had their identity stolen. BUt I will come to that in further "comments".)

For this comment : - the problem is that the "JEWS" have been confused with Israel . and sad to say...it was a deliberate act to deceive....and absolutely successfully....and you are witness of that success. Sadly the Bibles translators also been deceived and have adopted this belief. The word "JEW" did NOT exist until 1760 AD..YES AD !!!

Even the KJ 1611 does NOT contain the word "JEW..but "Iewe" I will explain all. There were no Jews at Sinai.......and I am running out of space.....to be continued !!!

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Read Gen 7:10. It was 7 days between when the rain started and "waters of the flood were upon the earth."

Hi Janet, the Sabbath has always been on Saturday and that has never changed.

You wrote: "Until someone goes to Head of the Christian Society and CHANGE the day from Sunday back to Saturday."

I don't know what you mean by change a day back to something. It hasn't changed. I'm a Christian and have never heard of the 'Christian Society' nor would I subject myself to their beliefs. If they are a specific group you belong to, I'm sure you can contact them to encourage them to change. I believe the Bible and follow Jesus and wouldn't let any specific groups influence or control my beliefs.

God bless...

Responding to you mentioning Hades and releasing the saints.

Luke 16:23

"And in Hell he lift up his eyes, (Note not hades) being in torments,"

Many counterfeits refuse to translate the Greek word "haides". Rather than translate "haides" to the word "hell", the counterfeit will transliterate the Greek word "haides" into the English "hades". By this trick the counterfeit attempts to extinguish the flames of hell. Hades is not "hell". Hell is flames, torments, weeping and wailing, complete darkness - forever. Hades is a new-age place of purification, or a fantasy place in Greek mythology. The Assyrian Hades is an abode of blessedness with silver skies called Happy Fields.

Then you also mentioned that Jesus went to release the other saints but the Bible says he went to minister to the lost souls.

1 Peter 3: 18-22

During the 3 day's before his resurrection.

Christ descended to HELL to Preach to the lost souls in hell who rejected Christ in the day's of Noah.

The generation before and during Noahs time never had the Bible or scrolls of the Laws of God only the very rich and elect few had knowledge of the old time law's.

Because Christ said all will have a chance to repent and to get to now him personally.

Romans 14:11

For it is written, "As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God."

Romans 10:14

How then will they call on Him (Jesus Christ) in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in Him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?

Jeffrey Davis Hi you can look up and read about the 8 watches Biblically in our 24 hour day. Also judean time was sunset to sunset first watch 6-9pm, second watch 9-12pm, third watch 12-3am, fourth watch 3-6am, fifth watch 6-9am,6th watch 9am-12, 7th 12-3pm, 8th watch 3-6pm. Its been a 24 hr day since Genesis there are corresponding scriptures to the watches throughout Gods word. In His Service

This virus isn't going to end until ALL has recognize Christ on the Sabbath until WE ALL ARE ON 1 ACCORDINGLY said so

Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy. Until someone goes to Head of the Christian Society and CHANGE the day from Sunday back to Saturday. By doing so, the Roman Catholic Church would have to admit to their deceitfulness wrong mean inconsiderate decision they made in the Catholic Church Sentinel

Ya gotta realize they are are All 3 GODS BEING FATHER SON AND GRANSON. Christ came out of his FATHERS LOINS AND IMMANUEL THE H.G CAME OUt of Christ loins .Without this heavenly trinity there cd not have been the 12 tribes, The nation of ISRAEL ,the very fact that we have a Father and A SON BEGS QUESTION OF A GRANSON AND MORE IMPORTANTLY AN iSRAEL OF GOD,Without this heavenly trinity there cannot be the 12 manner of fruit coming out of the Kingdom throne in the River of living water in Rev 22 .The leaves were for the healing of the nations ( our new birth ) from his seeds etc.Remember the 12 tribes, were his chosen ppl back b/f the Cross But now under this NEW COVENANT ITS THE world as God so loved the world and if i be lifted up i will draw ALL MEN UNTO ME. Thus there has to be an ISRAEL OF God MEANING THAT when Christ will go forth to sow his precious seed in humanity we are all gonna be bornagain as Jeremiah saw ALL MEN IN TRAVAIL AND BIRTH PAINS WHICH IS SYMBOLIC LANGUAGE FOR THE NEW BIRTH. In Adam we all die but in Christ we will ALL live. Thus there will be no more curse ( adams nature ) WE All gonna have the mind of Christ . Rev 22 etc. k mi voy

BSP Are you saying that noah built and prepared the ark in seven days?

Comments by Alex about the Trinity. When Abraham offered up Issac which resulted in the Great PROMISE that God him self was gonna be multiplied as the Stars of HEAVEN. Thats y Jesus is saying to whom the WORD CAME HIS SEED ETC tHAT SEED OF PROMISE ,It made them Gods plural.Just as Abraham became as the sands of the seas via his seed Isaac.God Almighty is gonna be multiplied as the stars of heaven via the seed of Christ which shows us that Christ is gonna be a FATHER ,to whom the word came it made them Gods,Thus we see that Christ is gonna be a Father, REFERING TO HIMSELF AS A BRIDEGROOM PROVES THAT HE IS GONNA BE A father, as in the natural a bridegroom always becomes a father,But Jesus does not multiply after mans kind ( flesh and blood children ) he multiplies after the God kind that y he said that which is born of the spirit is spirit just as his father is spirit,his seed is the word the very seed of God,His Child is the H.G THE CHILD OF Promise, His seed is the living WORD the very seed of God. When he breathe on them he was impregnanting them spritually. Thats y he said b/c i have spoken these words ( his seeds ) sorrows have filled your hearts a woman when she is in travail has sorrows,but after the Child comes rev 12 her sorrows are turned into joy. Thats y Isaiah refers to him as a FATHER he is the FATHER OF THE H.G.BEING BORNAGAIN OF AN INCORRUPTIBLE SEED ETC WHICH IS THE SEED OF JESUS ,NO HE IS NOT IMPOTENT HE HAS A SEED TO SOW IN HUMANITY,and to whom the word came it made them Gods ( the H.G. ) That Child of PROMISE ( THE MULTIPLICATION OF CHRIST in humanity,remember the field is the world, humanity that woman in rev 12. Ya gotta realize that Its God Almighty that wants a posterity,Think of Abraham as a type of God almighty that wants Children. Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in impling a heavenly Birth . Via his Good seed there are gonna be an Israel of God. Children of the Kingdom born in US