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Moses, the Law giver, received the laws straight from God's mouth. They are Gods laws. He does not change his mind. Jesus didn't make new laws. He fulfilled them . Jesus fulfilled all the shadows of a type. All the tabernacle sacrifices pointed to him! After his death the CEREMONIAL laws ceased. Remember? The curtain was torn in the temple from top to bottom.

And in Daniel, the prophecy that Jesus would cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease: Jesus WAS the sacrifice. That is what he fulfilled. Once and for all.

Eccl 12.7

Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Matt 10. 28

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Roman's 6. 23

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is (eternal life) through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 2. 7

To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

Corinthians 15. 51-58

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So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

2nd Timothy 1. 10

But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

So yes if you follow Christ and do the will of the Father we will abstain immortality.

Scripturally. (Hell)

Rev 21.8

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Matt 25. 46

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Rev 20. 10 10

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Rev 20. 1414

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Rev 20. 15 15

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

With much love and humility, I'm not trying to convince anyone. Thats for each person to decide what they wish to follow. I'm not the Author I'm just a messenger trying to speak the truth.

May God Bless you without measure.

No no. The sabbath is a blessing and a gift.

We should worship God every day. All the time. I agree with you.

But, God gives the directions for how he is to be worshipped. Look what happened to Cain. God told him how to worship, but Cain had his own ideas. He brought a sacrifice other than what God required. Look what happened to Aaron's sons when they brought strange fire. They died. Look what happened when David brought the ark to the city of David. One of the men reached out to stabilize it. He touched the ark and died.

We are not allowed to over ride God. God makes the rules for how and where and when he is to be worshipped. He said the seventh day. Period.

By alll means, go have fellowship on Sunday and on Wednesday nights. And do Bible study's on Tuesday and Thursday. And take a Bible class on Monday. But none of those days are the sabbath day. The sabbath is the seventh day. Saturday.

This point will become a serious issue in the near future when the Papal system requires Sunday worship. Once it is a law, then you will know that it is the "mark" of the beast.

The papal system is the beast of revelation . The church fathers of Protestant era thought so. Look it up. Martin Luther in particular.

Again a very backwards teaching as we are washed from sin not cleansed. The reason why you sin and can't stop sinning is because you are a slave to it a slave to the devil. The apostle Paul preached in Romans 6:18 "Being then made free from sin ye become the servants of righteousness" (Jesus) The apostle Paul is just like me an ex-sinner saved by grace.

John 8:34] Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

[35] And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

[36] If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

The apostle Paul did not say he sins daily. He dies daily and not to sin, but to the things of the world. We have to die daily as Paul picked up from Jesus teaching.

John 9:41] Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

We are to be blind remain dead to sin but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. The wages of sin is death/hell firer and brimstone. The unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of heaven. This eliminates 99% of all Christians as they claim they can not be righteous free from sin.

1st Cor 6:9] Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Romans 6:[20] For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

[21] What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

[22] But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

Good luck in being heard as God does not hear the prays of sinners. We see this everyday people dying in the hospital or looking for an out because of their pain and God hasn't heard them yet. A saved sinner means is a righteous person.

Again a very backwards teaching. Genesis 1:26 the words "Let us" and NOT "Let me" plural as God was talking to somebody in heaven and it was not Lucifer. God was talking to his Son as the bible tells us that there was always somebody with God at all times in the old testament. To say that Jesus was God and was one of the angels or whatever funny teachings you received from church is not the bible truth but some perverted doctrine of devils and seducing spirit. God had a Son known as the Holy One in the bible in the old testament. God the Son is just a man made gospel from the pit of hell as God the Son never lived a day on the earth, more or less die for my sins. Can't make the blind to see or lame to walk in the name of God the Son. The Son of God Jesus Christ sure can make the blind to seem death to hear and lame to walk. The Holy One came down not God. God was not Superman to become a human being. Don't know where you get such funny gospel that Jesus was one of the angles or Jesus is God.

Habakkuk 3:[3] God came from Teman, -->andand

There is significant danger in believing that dead people are ghosts floating around and aware of what's going on.

1, It leads to consulting the dead ( Demons impersonating our dead relatives) . The Catholics pray to dead saints. Dead people!

2. The Catholic system of purgatory leads people to believe that they can live like the devil and get a second chance in purgatory. And, the Vatican made a fortune getting people to pay to get dead relatives out of purgatory. Huge scam.

3. When Jesus was on the mount of transfiguration, Moses and Elijah were there in their physical bodies. Moses had had a special resurrection. ( the devil argued over his body). Elijah didn't die but was carried away in the chariot.

4. When Jesus told the thief "I tell you today you will be with me in paradise". They didn't use commas in Hebrew. So, it depends where the comma is placed. " I tell you today, you will be with be in paradise". Not " I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise."

There's more but I'll stop here.

Jesus feeding the multitude is nothing new in the bible it happened before in the bible. Nothing new under the sun. Jesus feeding the multitude was to show who he was the new King of the Jews the Son of God the messiah as promised. According to 2nd Kings 4:38-44, this was foreshadowing Jesus.

2nd Kings 4:38] And Elisha came again to Gilgal: and there was a dearth in the land; and the sons of the prophets were sitting before him: and he said unto his servant, Set on the great pot, and seethe pottage for the sons of the prophets.

[39] And one went out into the field to gather herbs, and found a wild vine, and gathered thereof wild gourds his lap full, and came and shred them into the pot of pottage: for they knew them not.

[40] So they poured out for the men to eat. And it came to pass, as they were eating of the pottage, that they cried out, and said, O thou man of God, there is death in the pot. And they could not eat thereof.

[41] But he said, Then bring meal. And he cast it into the pot; and he said, Pour out for the people, that they may eat. And there was no harm in the pot.

[42] And there came a man from Baal-shalisha, and brought the man of God bread of the firstfruits, twenty loaves of barley, and full ears of corn in the husk thereof. And he said, Give unto the people, that they may eat.

[43] And his servitor said, What, should I set this before an hundred men? He said again, Give the people, that they may eat: for thus saith the LORD, They shall eat, and shall leave thereof.

[44] So he set it before them, and they did eat, and left thereof, according to the word of the LORD.

Ecc 1:9] The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

[10] Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.

Research soul sleep. The "living" dead are sleeping in Christ. We have an object lesson, when we go to bed at night and sleep. Suddenly, it's morning.

Our dead relatives have no idea what's going on. They are not watching over us. They are asleep!

Thinking otherwise leads to spiritism which God forbids.

Jesus is our rest as he is the head of the ten commandments for rest sake as he is Lord of the Sabbath.

Mark 2:27] And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

[28] Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

1st Cor 11:[3] But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Hebrews 10:[1] For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

[3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

[4] For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

The Jews could not keep the Sabbath and yet they claim to be a righteous people just like the Sabbath day keepers of today, the pollute it.

Nehemiah 13:[15] In those days saw I in Judah some treading wine presses on the sabbath, and bringing in sheaves, and lading asses; as also wine, grapes, and figs, and all manner of burdens, which they brought into Jerusalem on the sabbath day: and I testified against them in the day wherein they sold victuals.

[16] There dwelt men of Tyre also therein, which brought fish, and all manner of ware, and sold on the sabbath unto the children of Judah, and in Jerusalem.

[17] Then I contended with the nobles of Judah, and said unto them, What evil thing is this that ye do, and profane the sabbath day?

[18] Did not your fathers thus, and did not our God bring all this evil upon us, and upon this city? yet ye bring more wrath upon Israel by profaning the sabbath.

Also, Mary is sleeping. She has no idea what's going on. Soul sleep.

Praying to dead saints opens the door to demons impersonating dead loved ones.

Jesus is God. Jesus is eternal. He has always existed with his father. And, right, nobody can look at the Father. His glory would kill us instantly.

Before Jesus was born in Bethlehem, what was he doing? He was living among his angels, as Michael. Jesus is the one who spoke to Abraham before he destroyed sodom and Gomorrah.

Whenever the Bible speaks of the Angel of the Lord, that is Jesus!!!!

Research that.

We are first justified. Think of it as "just as if we never sinned". We are cleansed and forgiven. Then begins school. The process of becoming like Jesus. And, that is sanctification.

Think about someone saved at Bible camp or retreat. And for a year or so they are on fire. Then, bit by bit, they drift away. They stop learning about God. But, they reassure themselves that they are saved. "Once saved, always saved" is a dangerous lie.

"Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk and drawn from the breast. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line; hear a little and there a little." Isaiah 28:9-10 KJV.

I agree with everything you've said, including the comment that Saturday is the Sabbath and should be our day of "rest", in keeping with the 4th commandment. I don't believe this commandment was done away with by Jesus. but I wonder why make a doctrine out of whether we sleep until the resurrection or go straight to heaven? It has no bearing on our salvation either way that I can see. If we are going to be with God for eternity either way, so again, why make a doctrine out of it?

Of course, there may be a deeper meaning that I admit I don't see. So may question is real.

I know that Jesus wants us to fellowship together but I am not able to do that because in the small town I live in there doesn't seem to be a group to fellowship with that is KJB only ( most us the NIV) oe that worship on Saturday that isn't full of false doctrines. So I worship at home.

My last pastor preached from the NIV and I followed along in my KJB and paid very close attention to what he was preaching. I didn't like doing it that way but he ((seemed) and the people were very loving and Godly so I didn't want to leave either until the pastor told me that he believed the KJB wasn't written by God. I left immediately.

I am glad I found this KJB only discussion group. You all seem to love the Lord Jesus as I do. God Bless

My Sabbath is everyday. My Jesus is no longer here in the flesh as we know no man after the flesh 2nd Cor 5:16-17.

2nd Cor 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

old things are passed away, Sabbath day old thing.

Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Jesus had to be born again as he died and was burred. What came out of the grave was not the same thing that went into the grave. Jesus was now a dead man walking full of holes and no blood. Can you live with no blood? Nope, Jesus was eating and talking because of the sprit of God his Father in him a new creature.

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

The bible says flesh and blood can not enter the kingdom of heaven 1st Cor 15:50. Jesus was now a new creation eating, talking and breathing and yet he had no blood. A born again Jesus this time of the spirit and no longer of Mary.

Romans 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

[11] But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Hebrews 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ...

I'm sorry I didn't mean to imply you don't follow God's word; the KJB. Maybe you don't realize that the links on your 2 Corthians verses all say "* no matching KJB text." That was what I was asking about. I'm sure it's my misunderstanding.

Yes the bible does warn us of many false prophets teaching many false doctrines. As true believers we must be willing to diligently keep Christ and His true word formost in our hearts and lives and trust the inspiration of the Holy Spirit is infallible. That's why I feel blessed in finding this group of KJB only believers. Please have a blessed day.

The Sabbath day was the law of sin and death, Jesus came with a new law, the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus Romans 8:1-3.

Paul wrote of how difficult it was and that the old man in him had to die daily. No human is without sin and we must confess daily. I'm not saying we WANT to sin. But that we have the unfortunate propensity to sin as long as we are in this body. But, a born again person doesn't willingly sin. It's that perpetual struggle to do right.

Until we draw the last breath , we must battle. And, the battle is ourselves!

Christ is the end of the law of righteousness Romans 10:4. You were a righteous Jew if you celebrated the Sabbath day as it was a shadow of things to come. However, nobody can keep the Sabbath day, Jesus came and gave us new laws as the Sabbath day was the law of Moses the law of sin and death. Jesus came with new laws of spirit and life as the law of spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death Romans 8:1-3. The law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did. The Sabbath day could not keep people out of sin. Jesus came and became my Sabbath as everyday is my Sabbath. When you offend one point of the law (Moses law) you are a law braker. The moment you got out of bed last Saturday, you violated the sabbath day.

James 2:[10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

If you want to live the Sabbath day and all those holidays and feast days be my guest to live like a Leviticus Jew by my guest. If you offend or break any of those points you are guilty of the whole law.

Hebrews 7:19] For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

The Apostle Paul said this in Corinthians.

2nd Cor 3:[7] But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

[8] How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

[9] For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

[10] For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

[11] For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

[12] Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:

Matt.2:14-16 "Bethlehem" (2 of 2)

Let us significance of the house of bread from which he came on a divine Mandate. He came to fulfill the will of his Father. In multiplying loaves of bread as given in the gospel let us examine the leftovers. "And they did all eat, and were filled: and they took up of the fragments that remained twelve baskets full."(14:20) In John's Gospel, "When they were filled, he said unto his disciples, Gather up the fragments that remain, that nothing be lost./ Therefore they gathered them together, and filled twelve baskets with the fragments of the five barley loaves, which remained over and above unto them that had eaten." ( John 6:12-13) Number 12 signifies the Gospel of God. In fulfilling his Father's will the same Gospel is Gospel of Christ.

All four gospel records this 'miracle' and more significance in in the gathering of fragments that remained.

In the Gospel of Mark we read,"And they did all eat, and were filled./ And they took up twelve baskets full of the fragments, and of the fishes."( Mark 6:42-43) In Luke "And they did eat, and were all filled: and there was taken up of fragments that remained to them twelve baskets." ( Luke 9:17)

There are other instances in which 4x1000 has significance as the number Seven to mark the baskets. (Mark.8:8) (15:37-38)

According to principle of Similitude the symbol of bread in the House of God must match. The number 12 refers to the Gospel and 7 denotes fulfillment of the Will. In all these instances all those who partook were full.

Contrary to this we have an indictment against Israel. "Thou shalt eat, but not be satisfied; and thy casting down shall be in the midst of thee; and thou shalt take hold, but shalt not deliver; and that which thou deliverest will I give up to the sword./.. that I should make thee a desolation, and the inhabitants thereof an hissing: therefore ye shall bear the reproach of my people."( Micah 6:13-16) Bethlehem as a result has fallen into insignificance.

Matt.2:4-6 "Bethlehem" (1 of 2)

"He (Herod) demanded of them where Christ should be born./ And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,/ And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel."

This is a paraphrase of the Prophet Micah "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting."

The ruler in Israel whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting can only be the Word that became flesh. When God spoke through his prophet it can only be understood by the sign which man hears as well as sees. St Paul explains the true Light in terms of what is knowable. "The light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ' has shined in our hearts. The word that was sent shall not return to God in void. The phrase 'unto me' makes makes clear what Isaiah meant.Is.55:11

The name Bethlehem of Judah gives historically the place name. It means the house of bread.

The Spirit annotates Jesus Christ as the bread from heaven. In Micah we have several puns or word-play and the name Bethlehem is one such.

I get all my teachings from the book from the bible. Don't know what you are talking about as the verses I use the churches refuse to talk about them or dare preach on them because it will expose them who they are.

Jeremiah 23:[9] Mine heart within me is broken because of the prophets; all my bones shake; I am like a drunken man, and like a man whom wine hath overcome, because of the LORD, and because of the words of his holiness.

[10] For the land is full of adulterers; for because of swearing the land mourneth; the pleasant places of the wilderness are dried up, and their course is evil, and their force is not right.

[11] For both prophet and priest are profane; yea, in my house have I found their wickedness, saith the LORD.

[12] Wherefore their way shall be unto them as slippery ways in the darkness: they shall be driven on, and fall therein: for I will bring evil upon them, even the year of their visitation, saith the LORD.

Jesus was subject unto God his Father like anybody else

Galatians 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,.."

God was not Superman to come as a human being he sent his Son Jesus John 3:16. If Jesus was God he sure is the weakest one I ever read as Jesus can do nothing by himself without the spirit of God his Father in him. John 5:30

John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

No man can see God's face at anytime as people will die. Moses can never see God's face and neither can we, we only have the Son of God as an example who God his Father really is. Jesus preached God is a spirit John 4:24. Jesus never said that he was God in the whatever and if so nobody would be able to see his face.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Exodus 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:

22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:

23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

Jesus fulfilled the law, which means he died and did everything that was written of him to do. The testimony of two m((en)) is true John 8:7 and not one m((an)). God was not Superman to become flesh, it was his Son as all the prophets of old knew that God had a son.

Daniel 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

God never left his throne he sent his Son Jesus and not himself Romans 8:3.

Asking (for us and all in need) for strong protection, deliverance, healing and most importantly salvation (all family members, relatives, those we know and care about) and the fullness of the Holy Spirit. Praying also for all the pain points the Lord knows about. Asking for breakthrough and strength. Thank you Lord for an encouraging development today after prayer for a specific situation yesterday. I pray that there will be a complete turnaround. Thank you. Also lifting up Israel+surrounding, Ukraine/Russia, Sudan and all other areas in the world where there is conflict. Have mercy Lord and may many turn to you Jesus. Amen.

Mary is not our mediator, nor is she our intercessor but the Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit Himself intercede for us (see Romans 8 and Hebrews 7:25). Also see 1 Timothy 2:5 which tells us that there is "one God and ONE mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus" Trust only in the Lord Jesus Christ. He is God in the flesh, He alone atoned for our sins by freely laying down His life and shedding His blood for our sins, He rose again on the third day, ascended to Heaven and will return to rule and reign.

Amen. Thank you again Pnovello. Keeping you in prayer as well.

Hi Biblepreacher12.

I just started using this site so you may have already explained the notation on this discussion but I was wondering why you have noted that none of the 2 Corinthians verses you used, noted they were not in the bible?

Jesus gave Moses the law on Sinai! Jesus is God. The law is Gods law! Jesus died for that law. He didn't do away with it! If the law was unimportant, then why did he have to die? No. No. The Decalogue is the centerpiece of Gods happy home.

John is talking about the Decalogue. The law written in stone by the finger God. It will NOT change. Like God. No shadow of turning.

The levitical law was written by Moses as dictated by God. This ceremonial law foreshadowed Christ dying on the cross. The entire sanctuary service is a type/ an object lesson. The ancient Jews received the gospel! The ceremonial law was done away when Jesus died and rose. Jesus was the antitype.

Yes! Absolutely agree!

The Catholic Church will soon/eventually enact Sunday laws forcing everyone to rest on Sunday.

Who will you obey? God or man?