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Verse 176-the psalmist strayed like a lost sheep. This may have been written by young prince Hezekiah. He poured out his heart and Jehovah God responded.

More Proof that Jesus is part of the Godhead and trinity:

"And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God."

Some like to use the same old tired argument to attack Jesus and try to discredit Him, which is: Jesus never claimed He was God.

It's a logical flaw to assume something based on something not being recorded. The Bible never said it's the Bible, either. The word Bible isn't in the Bible, so should we assume it isn't a Bible? You probably haven't ever published a book saying that you're a human being, so based on this logic we can assume you aren't one?

Just because there isn't a direct quote from someone doesn't invalidate a concept from the Bible. For example, the Bible didn't record Jesus ever saying we shouldn't "shoot someone." Does that mean it's ok? The Bible also didn't record Jesus saying the specific words that we shouldn't "have an affair." Does that mean it's ok, then?

Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"

1 John 2:22-24

"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father."

There's so much scriptural proof we run out of space to post them all. Deniers will still deny, just like it says in 1 John 2:22-24. Satan is real and is great at deceiving. Pray hard about learning the truth. The truth will set you free. John 8:32.

John 14:10 "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."

Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus's birth is prophesied and He is called Immanuel which means "God with us." Matthew 1:23-25 -fulfillment of that.

Verses 7-9-we become wise by following the law of Jehovah God. Verses 8 and 9-living by God's standards brings approval from God and we enjoy a clean conscience and a good relationship with Jah.

First, there is no way we can dispute the divinity of Jesus Christ, He is the only begotten Son of God, His name is above every name that is named. The trinity doctrine is in most main denominations of churches and is the foundation of Christianity and is in their Statement of Faith. I have been told I am not a Christian if I do not believe in the trinity doctrine because I do not understand who God is.

Is the definition of Christianity the belief and the following of Jesus or the belief in a triune God?

Does this doctrine give man the authority to override what scripture says about how we are saved?

Would God be behind a doctrine that is responsible for thousands plus thousands of Christian deaths?

Do we deny Jesus by saying He is God? 1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (The Father AND the Son)

Does not scripture show a literal Father and Son and the Son does the will of the Father?

What do we do to the meaning of this scripture, do we make it not true, by saying Jesus is God? John.3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Is salvation dependent on the belief of this doctrine, if so why was it not taught in scripture?

Does the trinity doctrine confuse and convolute our understanding that is far from the simplicity of Christ and a complete reversal from all the foundations set in the Old Testament?

Is the trinity doctrine a burden placed on us like the Pharisees sect tried to do with circumcision as in Acts 15?

Every word of Jesus was of the Father, every will of Jesus was the will of the Father, Jesus was equal to God on this earth because He was the word of God manifested to do the will of the Father with all the authority of the Father. A word is not a word before it is spoken, and that word is who spoke it.

Just questions,

RLW

Read all of the scriptures and ignore the cultists who stray from God's Word or distort scripture. Even children can understand what these verses mean so I think some adults are just wanting to reinforce what they already want to believe, because it's convenient for other reasons. Is a Christian a real Christ follower if he doesn't believe in the divinity of Christ? That is something we should pray deeply and study deeply about.

1 John 5:7

Genesis 1:26

Genesis 11:6-7

John 10:30

John 8:19

John 1:1

Philippians 2:5 - 2:8

2 Corinthians 5:19

John 1:3

1 John 5:7

Matthew 28:19

1 Peter 1:2

2 Corinthians 13:14

Deuteronomy 6:4

John 14:10

John 20:28

1 John 5:8

1 John 2:22-24

Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us"

Matthew 1:23-25

This sounds like an intellectually disingenuous question. Even children understand the concept of the Godhead or trinity- it's straight from God's word. If you don't understand it, that's fine, have you tried praying for wisdom and understanding. It's possible some of these comments are games a person is playing to try to pull some away from the truth to his cult-like beliefs not from the Bible. That's like doing the work of the devil. Here's some good reading material for the cultists.

1 John 5:7

Genesis 1:26

Genesis 11:6-7

John 10:30

John 8:19

John 1:1

Philippians 2:5 - 2:8

2 Corinthians 5:19

John 1:3

1 John 5:7

Matthew 28:19

1 Peter 1:2

2 Corinthians 13:14

Deuteronomy 6:4

John 14:10

John 20:28

1 John 5:8

1 John 2:22-24

Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us"

Matthew 1:23-25

Even a mature Christian may be inclined to do what is bad. The apostle Paul was a mature Christian but he faced this struggle. We have a war or struggle inside us as we fight against the law of sin.

Not sure how you like these verses in the Bible then, because it clearly says Jesus is God. To deny this is to deny God's word:

1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."

John 8:19 "if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also."

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

"the Word was God."

That's hard to deny that truth. Let's read that again.

"the Word was God."

And it sounds like you're saying "the Word wasn't God." The Bible says one thing, you're saying another- the opposite.

Satan is the father of lies and he is no doubt behind every major deception, especially among Christians. A Christian is a Christ follower. Does that term bother you since you deny the above verses about His diety? This twisting of scripture in order to achieve a certain narrative seems awfully like the CNN version of the Bible.

Let's continue with more truth in scripture to refute the false assumptions posted here...

Philippians 2:5 - 2:8 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

John 1:3 - All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"

John 14:10 "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."

John 20:28

"And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God."

1 John 5:8 "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

Verse 13-God's word works in us. It gives us the power to remain strong under difficult circumstances.

Verse 10-clear thinking and practical application of knowledge begin with viewing the Creator with awe. And the next verse mentions that this makes us happier people.

hi,

Why is this book called Philippians?

Thank you.

Verse 12-Paul is here describing them before they knew the true God. Faith in the existence of the Creator gives our life meaning and purpose.

Verse 40-Jehovah God promises to reward those who put faith in him and his son with everlasting life and if these faithful ones have passed away God has offered the hope of a resurrection.

un-GODly men; Jude v.4 = The adjective "un-GODly" describes a person who has no reverential respect, nor any honorable consideration for GOD, or anything pertaining to GOD. Thus, they reject any thought or form of worshiping HIM because "they did not like to retain {possessing and putting intelligence and wisdom into practical use} GOD in their knowledge" ( Rom. 1:28).

As a point of antonymous (the opposite of synonymous) reference, the term un-GODliness describes the polar opposite contrast to GODliness. Un-GODliness is anything and everything in man that contradicts GOD, HIS ESSENCE, HIS PERSON, HIS Character, HIS Attributes, HIS Will, and HIS Purposes. Un-GODliness is the rejection of, and unbelief in, GOD, HIS CHRIST, and HIS Gospel.

The un-GODly are not atheists by default or through any actual non-belief in GOD's real existence, for they are "men, who hold the Truth in unrighteousness" ( Rom. 1:18). They actually know about GOD, but choose to reject HIM, for "they did not like to retain GOD in their knowledge" ( Rom. 1:28). Moreover, the hatred the un-GODly seethe toward GOD prompts them to "despise the Riches of HIS Goodness and Forbearance" ( Rom. 2:4) because of their "hardness and impenitent heart" ( Rom. 2:5).

Their hatred, hardness, and rejection of GOD turns them into "The fool [who] hath said in his heart, There is no GOD" ( Ps. 14:1; cp. Ps. 36:1; 53:1). Notice, the expression, "There is ", is in italics for it was added by the translators. What the fool literally says is this: "There is no God for me. I will worship and serve no god or deity." In essence, even though they "know the Judgement of GOD" ( Rom. 1:32), this mental knowledge poses "no fear of GOD before their eyes" ( Rom. 3:18; cp. Eph. 4:19; 1Tim. 4:2).

Hi Earl , I have always thought that the abomination that maketh desolate is the thing that now stands on the site of the temple in Israel . I don't have any evidence for this , it's just the thing that came straight to my mind when I first read about it in Daniel .

Instincts or feelings , over knowledge . Knowledge wins . There is nothing wrong with paying attention to our instincts and feelings but knowledge or learning must win the arguement . If instincts were the winner then the animals would rule the planet , God gave them fantastic instincts that help them survive but to us humans He gave us the ability to learn , to be educated , yes animals can be trained but training is not education , I'm not talking about academic education . I'm talking about learning from God and Jesus .

Verse 16-faith is compared to a large shield that covers most of the body. Faith in God and his promises can shield us from all the wicked one's burning arrows.

Hi Chris,

The Apostle John also supports what you are saying in John 5:18 :

"Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God."

Verse 20-nothing will be impossible for us with faith. Our faith can enable us to do things that from a human perspective may seem impossible.

This was written in the 1800s .

There is a green hill far away

Without a city wall

Where our dear Lord was crucified

Who died to save us all

We may not know we cannot tell

What pains he had to bear

But we believe it was for us

He hung and suffered there

There was no other good enough

To pay the price of sin

He only could unlock the gate

Of life and let us in

Oh dearly dearly has he loved

And we must love him too

And trust in his redeeming blood

And strive his works to do .

No one I know can sing this without shedding a tear .

This hymn was written around the year 1700 .

Be careful for nothing

The Lord is at hand

Remember the glory

Remember the land

Be fervent in spirit

Be instant in prayer

Work out your salvation

With trembling and fear

Be pure in the doctrine

Be strong in the Word

Preserve in its brightness

The two edged sword

The things of the Kingdom

The things of the name

Confessed in Jehovah

Absolve us from shame

Fulfil ye the joy of

The Father and Son

By seeking the peace which

Their counsel hath won

Our prayers and our praises

God's grace will command

Remember the glory

Remember the land .

Matthew Chapter 6 Verse 7 , a lesson for us all I think . Not just in prayer .

This response affords me an opportunity to add to the comments made via the subject matter stated by others. It is this writer's contention that a revealing is coupled with an indictment and exposure. The wicked attempting to thwart, impose and implement evil upon a world/universe their designs is and was known in the omniscient CREATOR. Your completing the near sum of and full circle eventuating THE CREATOR'S wrath will lead you to believe your lying schemes. It lingers not many more days. What's laughable is you won't neither can do any different. People of destined perdition. STRAIGHT AHEAD!!!

Velma - it must be difficult to read the bible having to stretch words. There are large print bibles - can you find a way to get one? Perhaps a local church can help. May God bless you.

Thanks Dave. I guess we can't go further with this as I simply cannot see that Spirit baptism is being referred to in those two Scriptures I quoted. I can understand where you believe that water baptism is not referred to there, but the sense of those Scriptures convince me of water baptism.

As well, "Law Administration" is difficult to comprehend when water baptism was not part of the Law to Israel (except concerning the priesthood as a ritual cleansing). Then later the 'mikveh' was introduced to include all Jews entering the Temple to be 'cleansed'. John the Baptist took this further & introduced the 'baptism of repentance' (one's desire for the cleansing of the heart), unlike the former, which was a physical token cleansing for entering the Temple. When Jesus instructed his disciples to "Go therefore", I understand that they were tasked to teach & baptize (with water) all nations - that this instruction was over & above any Law, belief, or understanding they might have entertained. So whether pre- or post-Cross, there doesn't seem to be any clear directive for that command by the Lord to have ever been rescinded. Blessings.

please keep myself and my daughters and there families in your prayers please pray for my co workers

Thank you David . May God keep your voice loud and with us on this site .

Hi George , thanks for your reply , the UK was very catholic until king Henry the 8th wanted a divorce . His daughter Elizabeth the 1st wasn't overly concerned about religion but didn't want to be told by anyone , including a pope , how to run her country and so wouldn't go back to catholicism .We have plenty of different denominations over here but it's only the catholics that believe in the so called trinity , the others are different version of Protestantism . In my hymn book I have some awesome very old hymms 1600s and 1700s and the lyrics don't talk about us going to heaven or that Jesus is a deity , they do talk about the return of Christ and God's coming Kingdom on earth . When I have time I shall put some up here . May God bless you .

should a woman preach the gospel?

Hi Ron. Actually, I don't believe I've made an assumption. To call a person, "God", must bring on the sternest rebuke if spoken in error. Thomas should have been corrected about that erroneous statement & the matter should not have slipped by; rather, the Lord recognized that faith had come to Thomas only because of his present (visual) witness of Jesus, rather than simply believing what He had earlier spoken about His death & resurrection ( Matthew 16:21).

In Matthew 22:41-46: Christ baffled the Pharisees when he asked them what thoughts they had of the promised Messiah. How could the Christ possibly be the Son of David and yet be his Lord? Jesus quotes Ps 110:1. If the Messiah was to be a mere man (even if it was a very special creation unlike any other), & who would not exist till many ages after King David's death, how could His forefather (David) call him Lord? The Pharisees could give no answer.

Nor can anyone solve the difficulty except he allows the Messiah to be the Son of God, & David's Lord be equally with the Father. He took upon himself human nature, and so became God manifested in the flesh; in this sense he is both the Son of Man and the Son of David. This compels us to ask, 'what think we of Christ?' Is He altogether glorious in our eyes, and precious to our hearts? When Jesus said, "O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I HAD WITH THEE before the world was" ( John 17:5), was Jesus deceiving His disciples & us with an incredible prayer & giving rise to suspicion? Or, was He now expectantly looking towards that Glory that He had set aside to become man for the sake of our redeeming men's evil hearts & minds?