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The trinity doctrine is man made , its the bedrock of the Catholic church .

Its not anywhere found in the scriptures . Unless scriptures are twisted to mean something other than the true meaning .

Its extremely confusing and that should reveal its origin , God is not the author of confusion.

The bible plainly says Jesus is the Son of God . If you believed confess that then God dwells in you according to the scriptures . 1 john 4.15 , nothing about the trinity doctrine .

If you believe Jesus is the Christ then you are Born of God ,1 john 5v1 .

Where does it say if you believe in the trinity doctrine you are Born of God ? it does not .

Gerald,

I left one thing out. It is His guarantee to us, not the other way around. The only thing He requires from us is faithfulness!

Trisha,

You are very welcome. The only thing I ask is that you take the things I've shared with you and study them out, search the scriptures. Unless the Lord confirms the things I've shared with you, it means nothing. God Bless, and stay strong in Christ Jesus!

Gerald,

Ephesians 1:14 says, which (or more literally who) is the earnest (or guarantee) of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. There are a lot of words in there, but each phrase is very meaty. It's after we heard, after we believed, we were sealed.

There are different kinds of sealings, even in scripture. A slave was branded. That was called a seal, or sign, or a signant. A fence or a hedge around an area was called sealing off the area. We hear it a lot with the police. They'll seal off an area.

And that's the use here. Let me just share this point with you first. We are sealed with the Holy Spirit. He doesn't give us a seal. He is the seal. He's the mark of ownership and He has sealed me so that no spiritual force or otherwise can penetrate my spirit. I've been sealed. I've been sealed by the Holy Spirit and filled with the Spirit of Christ.

A person who has received Christ has been sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise who is the guarantee of our inheritance. It's nice to know that in the midst of our weaknesses that the presence of God's Spirit is our guarantee, until the redemption of the purchased possession.

In this use of the word redemption, it's making reference to the coming of Christ, when redemption is realized. Redemption means purchased. We've been purchased and we're sitting at the will call window. He hasn't picked us up yet. But when Christ comes, He's going to come for the purchased possession. That's you and me!

You might take note of Ephesians 4:30. It tells us that we are sealed with the Spirit of God "until" Christ comes. I'm preserved. I'm being kept for Christ at His coming. That's my guarantee that I am preserved for Him. Paul gives the doxology at the end of the verse. He says, unto the praise of His glory!

Dave, Food for thought here are some scriptures to think about: Acts: 8:35-38, Acts: 10:47, and Acts: 19

Isaiah 40:30

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30 Even the youths shall faint and be weary, and the young men shall utterly fall.

31 But they that wait for YHWH shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with

wings as eagles: they shall run and not be weary; they shall walk, and not faint.

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1 Keep silence before Me, O islands, and let the peoples renew their strength. Let them

draw near, then let them speak; let us come near together to judgment.

2 Who has raised up one from the east, at whose steps victory attends? He gives nations

before him, and makes him rule over kings; his sword makes them as the dust, his bow as

the driven stubble.

3 He pursues them, and passes on safely; the way with his feet, he treads not.

4 Who has wrought and done it? He that called the generations from the beginning. I

YHWH: who am the first, and with the lastpl am He.

5 The isles saw and feared; the ends of the earth trembled: they drew near, and came.

6 They helped every one his neighbor, and every one said to his brother, Be of good

courage.

7 So the carpenter encouraged the goldsmith, and he that smooths with the hammer, him

that smites the anvil, saying of the soldering, It is good: and he fastened it with nails, that

it should not be moved.

8 But you, Yisra'el, My servant--Ya'akov whom I have chosen, the seed of Avraham My

friend,

9 You whom I have taken hold of from the ends of the earth, and called you from the

uttermost parts thereof, and said unto you: You are My servant, I have chosen you and

not cast you away.

10 Fear you not, for I am with you, be not dismayed, for I am your Elohim; I strengthen

you: yes, I help you; yes, I uphold you with My victorious right hand.

11 Behold, all they that were incensed against you, shall be ashamed and confounded;

they that strove with you, shall be as nothing and shall perish.

12 You shall seek them, and shall not find them, even them that contended with you:

they that warred against you shall be as nothing, and as a thing

11He came unto his own, and his own received him not.12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God,evento them that believe on his name:13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

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14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 5For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie

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Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 18For the

preaching of the cross is to them that

perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 20Where is the wise?

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JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. 22Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, 23Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. 24Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him

Peter

20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.21For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spakeas they

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weremoved by the Holy Ghost.

Song or Psalm for the sons of Korah, to the chief Musician upon Mahalath Leannoth, Maschil of Heman the Ezrahite.) O LORD God of my salvation, I have cried day and night before thee: 2Let my prayer come before thee: incline thi

Good stuff Jesse thanks. I have a question( that might raise multiple other questions) forgive me. In vs 14 of Eph. it says: "which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession," what exactly does that mean? Could I lose the part(earnest) of my inheritance (spirit, Holy Ghost, communion with God, or whatever anyone calls it) Before ( or until ) redemption? I know it says we are sealed but isn't that His promise? What is OUR guarantee to HIM?

Thanks John I think that, ( in a sense ) is what I said. God Bless!

God will never leave us without remedy. He will always give us faithful people ( Eph 4: 11, 12) to show us the way.

Even with the failing of our leadership in the USA, we still have Godly men/women amongst us. May we as people of God call on Him and confess/repent our sins the the Lord may bless the land and heal us of our infirmities. 2 Chronicles 7: 14, 15

God bless and comfort all, especially the lost and the families of the fallen soldiers in Afghanistan. May our leadership humble themselves before God and receive Christ as their Savior. Lord help us to lean on you as we go through the Pandemic, economic failing, social and political unrest. Help us to walk in your righteousness, and holiness. August 26, 2021. Thank you Lord for attending to our prayer.

Hi Bonnie, Yes to your question. Here are some (for there are many) scriptures to look at; Matt. 10:30, John 8:58-59,( the" I am" in John 8 is the same "I am" used in Ex. 3:14 when God spoke to Moses), 1Tim.3:16, John 1:1-14, to mention a few, hope this helped. God Bless.

What does it mean to take up your cross

Jesse!

Thank you! That was the best answer to my question. I am so happy! I believe my sister excepted Jesus into heart heart at an early age. So that means she is with Jesus now. Thank you so much! Now if someone asks me if we go to heaven when we die, I can tell them this. God bless you!

This is a beautiful scripture and great to meditate on as well

Jesus is Gods son , that's the record of God . Are you your father ? No difference. Yes you came from him but that's it .

Why Trinity By the way its an honest question why so judgemental?

Amen Dave.

Thanks! I will note that.

Definitely helpful.

God bless.

Why Trinity Why did Jesus Christ say I can do nothing without my Father.

the holy goast has been showing the things in my drerams

he took me above the earth and i saw the world burning and all the souls vthat had the marh of the beast were burned up and he said that he is coming back to get his childern this was in another dream

Part 3 The LORD JESUS CHRIST Is God Almighty

And, Finally, WHO Is God, The JUDGE Of All?

13) God Almighty Is The JUDGE Of All!

And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the

same, that thou shalt escape The Judgment Of God? But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself Wrath against The Day Of Wrath and Revelation Of The Righteous JUDGMENT Of God! ( Romans 2 : 3, 5)

...God The JUDGE of all!...God Will JUDGE! ( Hebrews 12 : 23, 13 : 4)

...Strong Is The LORD God Who JUDGES!... ( Revelation 18 : 8)

JESUS CHRIST Is God, Because All The Verses In The Holy BIBLE,That Talk About GOD Being The JUDGE, Must Refer To JESUS CHRIST,SinceHEAloneJUDGES! The Father JUDGES no man! ( John 5 : 22)

The Father Has Committed All JUDGMENT To His SON, The LORD JESUS CHRIST!! ( John 5 : 22) Why?

"That All men should honour The SON, even asthey honour The Father. He that honoureth not The SON honoureth not The Father Who Hath Sent HIM!" ( John 5 : 23)

Precious friend, Bonnie, please be enriched, enlightened, and edified In The Triune GodHead!!!

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9) JESUS CHRIST was WORSHIPPED!

( Matthew 2 : 11, 14 : 33, 28 : 9; Luke 24 : 52)

Not once did JESUS Say, "See thou do it not,"

as "an angel NOT to be worshipped,"spoke

in Revelation 19 : 10, And, 22 : 8-9!

Since ONLY The LORD God is to be worshipped!

( Exodus 34 : 14; Psalms 29 : 2, 45 : 11, 86 : 9, et al;

Matthew 4 : 10; Luke 4 : 8; Revelation 22 : 9):

Holy SCRIPTURE Clearly Teaches us JESUS CHRIST Is God!

10) Every knee shall bow, and "every tongue"

shall confess to GOD! ( Romans 14 : 11; Isaiah 45 : 21-23).

The GOD "every tongue is confessing to,"

Is The LORD JESUS CHRIST! ( Philippians 2 : 11)

11) JESUS CHRIST Is Called The SAVIOUR!

( Luke 2 : 11; Acts 5 : 30-31, 13 : 23; Titus 1 : 4, 2 : 13)

( 2 Peter 1 : 1, 11, 2 : 20, 3 : 18, 1 John 4 : 14)

ONLY Jehovah God ALONE Is The SAVIOUR!

( Isaiah 43 : 3, 11, 45 : 15, 21; Hosea 13 : 4; Luke 1 : 47)

( 1 Timothy 1 : 1, 2 : 3, 4 : 10; Titus 1 : 3, 2 : 10, 3 : 4; Jude 1 : 25)

Therefore, JESUS CHRIST Is God!

12) JESUS CHRIST Forgave sins! ( Matthew 9 : 2; Mark 2 : 5)

ONLY GOD Can Forgive sins! ( Mark 2 : 7)

Pure And Holy SCRIPTURE Teaches us ( Titus 2 : 13):

JESUS CHRIST Is The Great God, The

Only Saviour Who Can Forgive sin!!

If we Deny HIS Deity, how can HE FORGIVEus our sins?

After all, It isOnlyGod's OWNBLOOD( Acts 20 : 28 KJB!),

That Has Power To "CLEANSE us From ALL sin!" Amen?

to be continued...

Bonnie Another point I wanted to make was that whats known as The Trinity or Holy Trinity is God , Jesus Christ and The Holy Spirit being the exact same entity. That started at the creed of nicea during Emperor Constantines Rulership and was adopted as doctrine. I personally don't see that scripturally but again people get excited about this.

Precious friend, Bonnie, yes The LORD JESUS CHRIST Is God Almighty, With God His Father, And, With The Holy Spirit. They Are "THREE Who Are ONE!" ( 1 John 5:7)

More Scriptural Confirmation:

Is The Holy Spirit God?: According To The Pure And Holy Scriptures!:

(A) The Holy Spirit Is The God That "Ananias And Sapphira lied to!"

( Acts 5 : 3-4 KJB!).

(B) The Holy Spirit IS The God That Raised JESUS CHRIST From The Dead!,

( Romans 8 : 9-11 cp 1 Corinthians 6 : 14; 2 Corinthians 4 : 14; 1 Peter 3 : 18)

(C) The Holy Spirit IS The Omnipresent God That Dwells IN All "believers,"

Being The "Blessed Teacher!," For: Understanding!

( Romans 8 : 9-11 cp 1 Corinthians 3 : 16, 6 : 19, 2 : 13!)

Is JESUS CHRIST The Almighty God?What Saith The

PureAnd Holy Written WORD Of God, The SCRIPTURES?

The First 13 { of 150+ } SCRIPTURAL "Reasons" {Evidence!}

JESUS CHRIST Is Almighty God:

1) God Was Manifest In The Flesh! ( 1 Timothy 3 : 16)

JESUS CHRIST Was Manifest In The Flesh! ( John 1 : 14)

2) JESUS CHRIST Is EMMANUEL

"interpreted = God With us!" ( Matthew 1 : 21-23)

3) The SON, JESUS CHRIST Is Called

God, By HIS Own Father! ( Hebrews 1 : 8)

4) JESUS CHRIST Is Called

The Great God And Saviour! ( Titus 2 : 13)

5) JESUS CHRIST Is Called

The Mighty God! ( Isaiah 9 : 6 cp Jeremiah 32 : 18)

6) JESUS CHRIST Is Called

The True God And Eternal Life! ( 1 John 5 : 20)

7) JESUS CHRIST Is Over All, God,

Blessed For Ever. Amen! ( Romans 9 : 5)

8) ALLthe angels of God Worship HIM!

( Hebrews 1 : 6), therefore, It IsImpossible

for JESUS CHRISTto be = "Michael the archANGEL!"

Therefore, All The Evidence In The Pure And Holy WORD Of God

Plainly And Clearly Teaches Allhumble students That:

JESUS CHRIST Is God Almighty! Amen?

to be continued...

Bonnie Are you asking if there the exact same being, I don't see that scripturally but that one is a hot debate, the reason I don't see it Jesus christ right now is sitting at the right hand of Gods throne, the scripture say God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself, but like I said there's two sides to that.

Bdavis Ruggedly handsome to look at

God has only one head as creation reveals this , man made in Gods image has only one head and one personality.

God plainly said IAM God and no other beside me .

The truth will set you free .

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Here is what I believe with all my heart. I've received Jesus Christ into my life. At the point of my salvation, He gave me His Spirit. His Spirit came into my spirit and sealed me. I now belong to Christ. He purchased me with His blood. He owns me. My dear sister in Christ, He owns you also.

Now, If His Spirit is in us, wherever He goes, we go. He has promised that He will never leave us nor forsake us. ( Hebrews 13:5). When I die physically, my physical body will lay in the grave and give the appearance of "sleep." But the Spirit of Christ in me which has sealed my spirit will leave my body and go to be in the Lord's presence. The Lord is not going to allow His Spirit to remain in the grave. And where His Spirit goes, we go.

If I may say this one more time, we as believers are not going to be judged for our sin because Jesus already payed our debt. We will stand before the Lord at what is called the Bema Seat of Christ where we will be judged, not for sin, but as believers, we will be judged on how we responded to God's Spirit in our lives every time His Spirit spoke to our hearts and persuaded us to do the things of the Lord. That is what we will be judged on. Everything that was not of Christ is going to burn, and whatever is left over, the things we did in response to the persuasion of God's Spirit in our lives persuading us to do His will, that will be our reward.

I know this was a little long, but I think this is important. This is a salvation issue. I hope this brings you some comfort. May the Lord continue to work in your heart, may He continue to transform and renew your mind daily through His word, and I pray that He brings comfort to your heart to the loss of your dear sister. It is okay to grieve. Jesus knows what we go through and He says it is okay to grieve. But He says do not be overcome with grief. Please know that you don't have to ask Christ for strength. He is your strength!

Solomon looked Mediterranean RUDDY like David

" Song of Solomon 1:5-6 King James Version

5 I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon.

6 Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me.

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King Solomon, however, loved many foreign women besides Pharaoh's daughter--Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Sidonians and Hittites.

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They were from nations about which the LORD had told the Israelites, "You must not intermarry with them, because they will surely turn your hearts after their gods." Nevertheless, Solomon held fast to them in love.

3

He had seven hundred wives of royal birth and three hundred concubines, and his wives led him astray.

4

As Solomon grew older, his foreign wives turned his heart after other gods, and his heart was not fully devoted to the LORD his God, as the heart of David his father had been.

5

He followed Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians, and Molech: the detestable god of the Ammonites.

6

So Solomon did evil in the eyes of the LORD; he did not follow the LORD completely, as David his father had done.

7

On a hill east of Jerusalem, Solomon built a high place for Chemosh the detestable god of Moab, and for Molech the detestable god of the Ammonites.

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He did the same for all his foreign wives, who burned incense and offered sacrifices to their gods.

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The LORD became angry with Solomon because his heart had turned away from the LORD, the God of Israel, who had appeared to him twice.

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Although he had forbidden Solomon to follow other gods, Solomon did not keep the LORD's command.

Mishael: Later, God did tear the kingdom from Solomon.

However, only what is recorded in scripture is what we recognize to be trustworthy and true: God's Word=Jesus Christ.

We have to harmonize what is recorded in the Books of Samuel, Kings and Chronicles; to get the whole picture of w

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So now, what happened to the other section where the Old Testament believers were before Christ came? When Jesus dismissed His Spirit on the cross, He went down and proclaimed the victory. You can read that in Matthew 25:50-53. So now, when a believer dies, they go to be with the Lord.

Another thing to look at is the thief who was crucified next to Jesus. He said to Jesus "Lord, remember me when you come into your kingdom." That's all the thief said. There was no sinner's prayer. He did this based on the Lord's mercy. "Lord, remember me. That is all I ask when you come into your kingdom." And the Lord response was "Today, you will be with me in paradise." Wow, today. Not you will go to the grave and have to wait to be with me. Jesus said today!

It is true that we will all have to stand before God and give an account of our lives. Every single person will do that. But for the believer who dies in Christ, we do not wait to be judged before we go to be with the Lord. A believer will not be judged for sin because Christ paid the penalty for our sin. The non-believers are the ones who will be judged for their sin.

Also, there will be two more future resurrections. When Jesus returns for His church, His bride, all those who have died in Christ from the time of His ascension into heaven until the time He comes, they will be resurrected from the grave, not their spirit because their spirit went to be with the Lord, but their body will be raised from the grave, and it will be a glorified, incorruptible body, and their spirit will rejoin that body and be forever with the Lord. Again, the non-believing dead will not be resurrected at this time. They will be resurrected after the thousand years, they will be judged for their sin, and they will be eternally separated from Christ.

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