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What scripture is on taking man vaccines? I trust God to keep His Word on not letting His people be with sickness and diseases like the Egyptians.

In question about fraternities and sororities. I find that it's not acceptable by Jesus teachings. Also I have questions on freemasons being pastors and Eastern Stars being church leaders.

John,

I would like to share my thoughts on verses 3 and 4. First, to answer the question on whether or not Jesus responded appropriately. I'm one of those people that believe everything Jesus did was perfect, so I would have to answer yes to that.

Now for verses 3 and 4:

Verses 3 and 4 is the first of three temptations. But let me say this first, that even though Satan was tempting Jesus, He could never give in to temptation. Satan starts off by saying, "If thou be the Son of God, command these stones be made bread."

If I may share some technical information with you, the word "if" in the Greek text is what is called the first class condition assumed to be true. It should be translated "since." But please know that when Satan was tempting Jesus, he was not tempting Him to prove that He was the Son of God.

Satan is saying (since) you are the Son of God, then do this: Misuse your authority. Misuse your position. Be disobedient to your heavenly Father. But please note that Satan is not asking Jesus to prove Himself to be the Son of God, but actually questioning Him, baiting Him to disobey the commandments of God.

Jesus answers in verse 4, which is a quote from Deuteronomy 8:3. He says man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from out of the mouth of God. So this was what Jesus said when Satan tried to tempt Him by saying, you are hungry, right? You see these stones? Turn them into bread, satisfy your hunger, since you are the Son of God.

That's an lot of speculation considering the subject matter.

What's your take on John 15:7 I prefer the king james but if is rite God will inspire it

John I think I understand where your coming from in the temptations, especially in luke he was hit with the basics, self preservation, environment, religion, power, all responses were handled by It Is Written which he used accurately and the adversary didn't. He never considered what was said His answers were direct. It Is Written. That's is the power of Gods Word.

>"I am reading Matthew for the first time"

Elsewhere I believe it was you that commented the reason the gospels keep talking about demon possession, is that they had no tenable theory for disease in that age, and thus blamed demons for everything. And then I think you said Matthew's gospel was very much a product of its times in this regard.

So comments like that made me think you had a much more extensive background (e.g. also your comments on Moby Dick quoting scripture, etc.)

As far as Matthew, I'll pose a conundrum to you, that occurred to me just last week. Both Mark and Luke have Jesus floating up in the air to ostensibly go back to Heaven at the end of their gospels. Luke says that all eleven apostles witnessed this, and then alludes to it again at the beginning of Acts. Luke was of course just quoting others and almost certainly not a personal witness of this. And neither of the apostolic gospels (Matthew and John) have anything to say about it.

Go read the last chapter of Matthew and explain why he would not even mention such a spectacular event, which Luke asserts Matthew was a personal witness of. This is the sort of thing that really wrecks some people's faith. It doesn't mine, for well considered reasons. Even if the gospels are not "infallible" in the way most Christians affirm as a matter of faith, you can still read them and discern a pretty impressive reality underlying them all. We don't need infallible witnesses for anything else in history. And Jesus own words I think bespeak of his divinity -- as it says in John I think, "No man ever spoke as this man did."

The evolution of sin, is and was born into the surviving generations.

Both Cain and Abel.

The seed is the same in both these children! Abel and Cain WERE BORN from the same Father. Adam! So why did God Favor Abel, over Cain? If sin is sin ,why could God have favor over one of another? Both are sons!

When God had to kill animals to cover Adam and eve, not only from the nakedness , but the weather that would soon change! The only creatures on the earth were those that God created! Can U imagine How He must have felt at, killing his own creation, having to change the plan! The evil angels came out of the disobedience and are the byproduct of it. In the beginning it was not so, everything was perfect and good!

What we don't know is what infuriated Cain to kill his brother. I will speculate that it had to do with property. The toil and hard work to clear land, plant ,and wait for an harvest, still unpredictable as even today!

If, Abel didn't watch his animals , they more than likely would have been found in Cain's crops?

So! The evolution of sin. It divides and will divide until the end, multiplying. It Will not procreate, but only in mans heart!

The evolution of mans depravity was not introduced from an outside creature. Everything was perfect even from the beginning! Sin was born into man through disobedience, the same seed that is in all of us was in Cain and ABEL. The unpredictable sin in man, God would find a way to control, it would be controlled by the law, Given through the faith of one called Moses! The dispensation of sin became evident even from one generation to another! This is why we see these generations in the scriptures! Boring as it may seem, every t and every I must be crossed! You are correct we should search the scriptures, sometimes reading between the lines can be dangerous, especially if you have not lived life! Instead looked out a window and assuming that their is life outside what our God has created ,is dangerous!

Lidia The only human family allowed on the ark was Noah's Genesis 7:15 does not mention any gentiles and in 1 Peter 3:20 where 8 souls were saved by water, Noah's family. Just an observation God Bless

Brother Adam, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Jesus was not perfect, he came in the likeness of sinful flesh; But he was GIVEN the SPIRIT without MEASURE. This is how he could walk in the flesh and not sin. If he had only been given the down payment as we are given, he would have sinned as we do. If we were GIVEN the SPIRIT without MEASURE; NOW as he was, we could walk in the flesh and not sin.

We are only GIVEN the down payment NOW; but when we leave this body of flesh and put on the body of Christ (incorruption and immortality) we ALSO will be GIVEN the SPIRIT WITHOUT MEASURE.

When we return (second resurrection); with Christ, to judge the world; we will be able, as Christ, to walk in flesh and not sin. To judge the world in RIGHTEOUSNESS. We will be the FULLNESS of Christ.

English Sasha My understanding is Mathew is the royal lineage look up how many men are mentioned in the lineage that were kings, look at how many times Jesus christ who is the King of Kings talks about Kingdom of Heaven or Kingdom of God more than any other Gospel, In the gospel of luke is given the flesh side or as a man the perfect man in this Gospel the term son of man is used the most. This is my understanding, there's more to it.

Chris the KJV translators included the Apocrypha in their translation of the scriptures .

I happen to believe they got it right ! And the American Bible society that was instrumental in taking it out 250 years got it wrong . End of story for me .

With all you people that seem to know so much can you find the verse that certainly is in the KJV ? God speaking said , I have no flesh that I should forget , something like that . A young lady that have been a believer for only 1 yr can recall reading it too , but can not recall the place , I have read it at least 3 times but recalling it in location book ch and verse , I'm not good at that . If a person has not even read it I wonder how much Bible they even have . Please supply the Book chapter and verse thanks my original question !

It's chapter (14) not 4 .

John I don't view this an challenging my faith or belief, but from all your replies you appear to doubt what God says in His word, my question to you is what do you really believe. In the epistle of 2 Timothy 3:16 it says all scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction for instruction in righteousness. The words by inspiration of God in the greek is the word theopneustos which means God breathed think about that. Another example in the Gospel of Luke 1:3 the words perfect understanding [ perfect is akribos which is accurately and understanding is parakolou which means to follow along side of] so he was Given perfect knowledge to follow and write. Ties right into 2 Peter 1:20+21 and 2 Timothy 3:16. i'll go with Gods Word. God Bless

You don't need help at all. All you need is the understanding that GOD left His throne and decided to be The Son of Man, The Son of GOD - He prepared a flesh HE named JESUS. Meaning to say, GOD, The Holy Ghost is JESUS CHRIST Himself (3in1). Whatever GOD responds is what comes first/ the reference/ the source/ everything. Whatever our understanding is or whatever we expect Him to say comes to nothing for we are just a bunch of nothingness. Even that jeopardy champion you mentioned doesn't even deserve a mention when we talk about Dearest LORD JESUS for no one else can't save us from confusion, from incurable sicknesses and diseases, heartbreaking problems, drug addiction, hell but GOD Himself.

Dearest JESUS sets a benchmark then we follow Him. If you choose to go the other way around, unfortunately, you'll be hell-bound.

Matthew 19:21

"Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me."

Good morning brothers and sisters, as I place myself in a form of stillness and meditate on the word of GOD it gives a peace that surpasses the world's natural understanding for it can not comprehend it. We must be in the spiritual Realm to even tap in to the discernment to receive all that the Father has for us. Let's continue to walk by faith not by sight and trust GOD with all your heart for the things he is about to do now and in the future to come. Spend quiet time with HIM, HE will speak to your heart. Everyone have a blessed and prosperous week, I look forward to sharing more spiritual messages, and once again PLEASE GET VACCINATED protect yourselves and others, JESUS loves you all and so do I.

John There is nothing written in Gods word that doesn't have significant meaning or spiritual understanding, I never go to Gods word doubting what is says, I go and think why did He say it that way. It's a matter of mental attitude. God Bless

John This is where we see things differently I believe the Word of God is true and God Told the men to write what He wanted the way He wanted it, 2 Peter 1:20+21. I'll stay with the word.

John look up the word to know or knew his wife is to bare a child, Genesis 4:17, Genesis 4:25, it is an eastern saying, in what I explained there are two genealogies shown in the Gospels for a reason Mathew and Luke. I never stated that joseph genetically had anything to do with Jesus Christ conception that was a Miracle. Mathew says the book of the generation of Jesus Christ why does it say generation in Luke 3:23 it starts out in parenthesis, being [as was supposed] the son of joseph he was not He was the Son of God.

Thank you for your response. I am here to learn so I will go look at the passage in Deuteronomy.

However, you seem to want to put me on the defensive (was I "munching on an apple", "You must have some idea . . .", "you did go look that up . . . right?"). This borders on an ad hominem logical fallacy. My motivations are not the issue; what matters is the text and what it means. So no need to be on the offensive.

But let me offer you my other cheek. One person responded to my question that it was a matter of faith, that as finite beings, we can not understand the motives of an infinite being. You however responded:

"The temptation seemed to be for Christ to exercise his miraculous power merely to meet his own personal bodily needs, and his refusal to do so in the most dire of personal circumstances would presumably steel him for similar though less onerous circumstances in his subsequent ministry. It proved he would not abuse his miraculous power. "

I find that to be an interesting interpretation. I can't say whether it is the correct interpretation or not, but it is an interpretation beyond the simple words in this passage. (Actually I like it.) That this is an interpretation--and not gospel--is revealed by your own words: "The temptation seemed to be for Christ . . ." The key word there is "seemed".

So now permit me a personal observation. The first person who responded won't speculate on the meaning of this passage; Jesus's response is beyond human comprehension. You on the other hand will engage in such activity. That is not a criticism. Just two different people reading the same passage.

I am reading Matthew for the first time. I want to know what people think. You have told me. So please drop trying to put me on the defensive; there's no need to.

John The first thing the tempter said was If thou be the son of God, trying to make jesus Christ question who he was also after 40 days he was hungry so he Hit him with self preservation, Jesus Christ response every time was what ours needs to be it is written. Our adversary knows the word of God and always uses it to His advantage. Thank God Jesus Christ never took the bait so to speak.

Adam: I accept part of your answer, that it's a matter of faith. I don't accept that it's"odd" to ask such questions. Your response, if you will permit me, should be directed towards the meaning of the text, not me or my behavior. What does the text mean, that's my question. Your response is that it is a matter of faith. I can go along with that.

please continue to keep myself and my daughters Deanna and Jessica and there families in your prayers , also please pray for my co workers , most do not know you , help me to open the eyes and hearts to you

I believe that Mary was descended from king David through his son Nathan and that the genealogy in Luke is Mary's .

Hi John , I too have read Moby Dick , it was hard work and I shan't read it again , you are so right , I read a lot , mostly older classics and the human stories in the Bible have influenced many good writers and helped them to write some awesome books .

Glen , I don't know where you are getting your info from but it's not the Bible , please remember that there are babes on this site , at the begining of their walk to the Kingdom , I can't believe that you wish to lead them astray .

Whoever you are , this was a fab answer , thank you .

Hi to you , in this instance I think that the fig tree was a metaphor for Israel , I could be wrong , that's just my interpretation .

no not really God is just so awesome.

Hi Lighton. You've brought up a few issues concerning God's Word & I assume you did so in the light of the supposed difficulty in finding that verse you suggested.

In each of the matters you raised, there is an answer that can be given. Without sharing much detail here, the Apocrypha (I think you're referring to the OT Apocrypha written in those 'silent years' between the testaments), was not recognized by Jews in general, & if it has been omitted from Bibles, it was because those books failed certain tests that were applied to them; tests of authorship, doctrine, reliability, etc.

And then we have the NT Apocrypha (in the post-Apostolic years), which for the most part are error-ridden with very wrong teaching (Gospels of Thomas, Barnabas, etc.).

I think you're thinking of 1 John 5:7 as an example of a verse included in the KJV. Other Bible versions that have this verse omitted have done so because it doesn't appear in some older manuscripts. Whereas the KJV is translated from a later manuscript (Textus Receptus) as it was overall much more reliable, even though the view was "the older the better". And indeed, this verse is clearly in full agreement with John's Gospel concerning the Word of God.

Scriptures such as 2 Timothy 3:10 & Acts 2:42 which speak of the 'apostles' doctrine', can be clearly understood & appreciated as not a special or new doctrine by the apostles, but simply their 'teaching' which they received from Jesus & His Spirit. And this doctrine (teaching) they faithfully passed on to the new Church so that they would be well founded. Sadly, many entered the Church not confirming this doctrine, bringing their own deformed teaching, thus leading many astray. Hence the pressure on the epistle writers to alert the believers & bring them back onto the true doctrine of Christ.

So, if we have such doubts over the Scriptures, you can be assured that there are well-researched answers given to allay any fears & to strengthen our belief & stand on the Word.