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Ronald Hi The church started day of pentecost in practice but the complete knowledge of who what where when why and how was given to the Apostle Paul by Jesus Christ. When He went to Jerusalem and basically they saw the change would have loved to have been there, He endeavored to teach them but at that time they were still to caught up in the judean law. So they sent Him to the gentiles which is exactly what He was called to do Acts 9:15 talk about things working out the way God Planned it. Also he knew Judean law inside out God knew His Heart and picked the right guy again he knew the same commitment he had for the law He would he would have for the Gospel. I realise some people won't agree that's ok isn't first time won't be last. I'll stick with scripture God Bless

Edward you say

It might be that Eve was tempted with the ability to "as gods" become closer to God, and this closeness would be a result of experiencing this thing called "evil" the her and Adam were unaware of. I believe that Satan was the most beautiful creature Eve had ever seen, and it made seduction easier.

How can Satan be the most beautiful creature Eve had ever seen. Satan was in the head of the woman that's why a woman is born of man but Adam could not see her being deceived to be able to stop it because Adam was made in the image of God for he would not know that Eve was being deceived from Satan that was in her mind so Satan can't be a creature. Or else Adam would have stopped Eve from talking to Satan. It's a spiritual battle people

Earl Here's one question that you ask Revelation 12:7 maybe heaven signifies something the question is what does God consider to be heaven since its His rule book. Genesis 1:6 firmament is expanse 6+7 tell you what the expanse divided.Verse 8 and God called the firmament heaven means heaved up things, so now when I read from verse 8-17 it appears anything above earth is considered heaven I.E. entire solar system now there are a number of translations of heaven i.e. heavenlies heavens heavenly. but all of them deal with anything above earth. So you have an idea of what I do when I work scripture, I try to stay in the frame work of what God said and work from there. Prayer full you understand. God Bless

Earl There things you state that I agree with and some things I don't that's the privilege this commentary provides, its really no different from reading books of different authors and mentally saying I see this or not, so again I don't debate, but if it doesn't fit with all scripture as originally given 2 Peter 1:20+21 then I can choose to disagree. Sometimes the way it was translated changed meanings but not a lot. I wouldn't have wanted the translators job for all the tea in china LOL. So that being said its all good. God Bless

I want to put a prayer request please pray for me to get strength in my legs and feet so I may stand up and walk to my bathroom without any help I have been confined to my bed for 11 months now and want to help my self to stand and move my legs and feet. thank you AMEN

May we know >>it is later than it has ever been before.// please pray for me and all lost that are suffering,scared,we must believe and see we are never alone.

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I believe all these new bibles that are being put out in these last days are of the devil because he knows the scriptures too. Why do you think we have this plague on us right now.

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These new ones will cause confusion in the body of Christ. We know who the author of confusion is. (the devil) He came in with changing the thee and thou and this is how he comes in just a little at the time. Give him an inch he will become your ruler.

Earl We had this discussion before so I understand where your coming from. God Bless

Earl I absolutely understand your point about revelation or the Last appearing of Jesus christ, that book covers some past history, perhaps present definitely future, it is perhaps the most written about book in the entire bible. Very challenging even by scholars to understand I assure you I am not one. I really don't study it much because most of my time is spent in the Church Epistles and Gospels and certain books old testament. Trust me not here to argue just to discuss. God Bless

The inspired scriptures are preserved by God for instructions as to how God wants his elect children to live their lives as they sojourn here in this world. The life referred to in Matt 7 is not eternal life, but an abundant life that his children can enjoy if they follow his instructions. The Greek definition of the word "salvation, saved, save" is "a deliverance". God's children are delivered eternally by God's grace in securing them a home in heaven by the death of his Son. They are also delivered as they sojourn here in this world, from the things of this world, by their good works in following God's instructions.

Both of the gates in Matt 7 are comprised of God's eternally saved children, and will all live in heaven forever.

Earl P.S. Show me in scripture where it literally says jesus cast Satan out of me. There are that I'm aware of 13 or more descriptions of how our adversary the devil functions which are attributes as to how he operates so as the Apostle Paul put it so that we are not ignorant of His devises. Your jumping around subject matter too much for me so its your priviledge to believe what you will. God Bless

Earl Lucifer was perfect until the day iniquity was found in Him, Ezekiel 28:15 thou wast perfect in thy ways until iniguity was found in thee. Everything God created has freedom of will including angels, angels are messengers and they are either working for one side or the other and lucifer before he changed was a perfect and powerful spiritual being who wanted to be Like the most high God. I was dealing with one area you have gone to several, I wasn't attempting to prove anything it was a discussion. God Bless I respect your input.

Deuteronomy 24:1-4 - When a man hath taken a wife and married her, and it comes to pass that she find no favor in his eyes because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. The bible does say that in Christ

all sins are forgiven except for blasfem

I want to start reading the holy Bible but idk if I should start to read the new testament or the old.

Concerning "the birthday" of the church? "the beginning of the church {GR. ekklesia = assembly} of God in operation started day of Pentecost."? There is another Bible view of this, eliminating a lot of confusion:

(1) The Pentecostal assembly was God's Continuation of prophecy and law for Israel, the assembly Jesus showed HIS Twelve apostles, "on the EARTH," in ( Matthew 16:18)

a) This assembly is "associated" with water baptism AND Baptism By Christ, Pouring Out "WITH" HIS Holy Spirit, for "powers, signs, and wonders," and healing everyone, Correct?

However, with Right Division ( 2 Timothy 2:15), we have, for God's GRACE And MYSTERY:

(2) The GRACE church of today is a "New Creation" showed To Paul, HIS ONE apostle:

"If any man [be] In CHRIST, [he is] a New Creature..." ( 2 Corinthians 5:17)

A) This "New Creation" is actually The Body Of CHRIST, which was UNknown in Matthew, being "Hidden In God" ( Ephesians 3:9), until Paul:

B) God Saved, By GRACE and MERCY, Paul as our "Pattern = in me FIRST..." ( 1 Timothy 1:16)

C) Since Paul was The FIRST man IN The Body of CHRIST, It is Called "the ONE New man"

( Ephesians 2:15)

D) This assembly, showed To Paul, from CHRIST, "IN HEAVEN," has "Associations" with:

(1) The ONE Baptism, "BY" The Holy Spirit, Identifying/Unifying new "members" with The Body Of CHRIST, "Seated In the Heavenlies" ( Ephesians 1:3) ( Ephesians 1:20)

( Ephesians 2:6) ( Ephesians 3:10)

(2) God's Amazing GRACE for our "infirmities, suffering, trouble, and tribulations" ( Romans 5:1-5) ( Romans 8:18) ( Romans 8:26-29) ( 1 Corinthians 10:13) ( 2 Corinthians 1:3-4) ( 2 Corinthians 4:17) ( 2 Corinthians 12:9) ( Philippians 3:21)

Thus, "solving the confusion IF signs, wonders, and miracles, FOR US, today"?! Amen?

An Informative/Edifying Biblical article is "The Birthday of the Church" by Ricky Kurth. Enjoy!

what does ih mean when you have dreams of seeing Jesus in your dreams for i have them he showed me the end of all things

how did the discourse on revelation turn into the [ jw's]? it's no wonder people have trouble understanding this book of scripture. to the point where you overlook valuable key to the book in rev.1:19 seek god, not useless fights over beliefs as it says in proverbs " if you believe you believe to yourself, if you doubt you alone will bare it." is god's greatest gift to us love? without this this gift what is it all for? reflect and meditate...

Sister Dianne, food for thought:

You commented, God is perfect he cannot produce something not perfect that's where I think in between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 the rebellion in heaven could have happened and lucifer came down and screwed things with the other angels that rebelled.

I thought God, through Jesus, created ALL THINGS. Since he created lucifer and lucifer sinned, then lucifer wasn't created perfect. This is what other verses say:

Romans 8:20 Because the creature (creation) ITSELF was made subject to VANITY, NOT WILLINGLY ..

Romans 9:21 Hath the potter not power over the clay, or the SAME LUMP to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour.

God' word says he did not make everything perfect in the beginning, BUT he through the REBIRTH of everyone by SPIRIT will make ALL THINGS PERFECT. IN HIS appointed time; eternity has a lot of time.

Maybe Revelations account of Satan falling from heaven represents something different and at another time.

Revelation 1:3 ...for the TIME IS AT HAND

Doesn't seen those words would apply to something that occurred back in Genesis.

Revelation 1:1 ....An SIGNIFIED it ...

Sounds like Revelation represents; through WORD SYMBOLS, things that mean something other than

what a dictionary would define them as.

Matthew 12:38 But if I CAST OUT devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God (Christ in you) is come unto you.

Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven... (maybe heaven SIGNIFIES something)

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was CAST OUT (of heaven)..

Jesus said he cast Satan out of YOU

Revelation said out of heaven. Could heaven SIGNIFY YOU.

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a NEW HEAVEN (where CHRIST IN YOU, dwells). SIGNIFIED.

Food for thought, the Spirit reveals.

Chapter 13:5 Means One faith, which is Holiness. when Jesus sent His Apostles out He sent them out with one belief. Amen!

Hi. My question: Is Numbers 15: 30 31 connected to the unpardonable sin in the New Testament. Can a Gentile commit the unpardonable sin? It say's native born or alien living among you are under the law.

Hey Dianne,

I believe the church started at Pentecost because the Holy Spirit filled all the disciples in that house. Then others came the number around 3000 heard Peter and the other disciples speaking in their languages. Peter stood up and said this is what you are seeing ( Joel 2:28-32). Then Peter told them "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost".

So, that is why I believe the Church started then. But these were all Jewish, and only Jewish people were told the gospel until Peter had his dream and went to Cornelius, he was among the Gentiles. At this time Peter stayed in Jerusalem and the Church was all Jewish. A little later Jesus visited Saul/Paul and sent him to unto Gentiles.

I believe the different thoughts of when the Church started comes from Paul being sent to the Gentiles with the word he was given from Jesus did not require them to be circumcised or be under the law of Moses. It was to make the Jews jealous. We see later the conflicts between the Jewish believers in Jesus and Paul's teaching. We see this in Acts 15 the debate on this, to be circumcised and be under the law. We see Paul addressed it in ( Galatians 2:4-9).

We see in Acts 21 when Paul went into Jerusalem and went unto James, and thousands of believing Jews were there and they were all zealous of the law. They accused Paul of telling the Jews that were among the Gentiles that they should not circumcise their children and not be under the law. They wanted to kill Paul and almost did.

The difference in the Jewish believers along with some of the apostles, teaching to be circumcised and be under the law and what Paul's teachings, given to him by Jesus Himself is where the question comes when the Church started.

I'm sure some will disagree, but this is my understanding.

RLW

Gerald Hi good stuff in Leviticus always something to learn in Gods Word thanks.

Chris I was curious looked up word for woman which is gune that's long e so If I go by context woman is both woman or wife now in eastern culture husband was head of the house period, even In the synagogue men were in charge and when you think about it God put women here to be mans help meet. So my bottom line is Biblically men are the leaders in the house and supposed to be in the church. Trouble is these days things are a little off, I'm being nice spiritually most movements out there totally go against Gods Word.

Just trying to understand what I read in the bible I'm reading Proverbs 18

Please explain the trinity?

Why are Jews hated since Jesus is a Jew?

Hi Dense In Mathew 1:16 Scripture state and Jacob begat joseph the husband of mary of whom was born Jesus who was born Christ. Jesus Christ had sinless blood because the seed was from God Luke 1:30-35 the human side was mary, human prodigy is passed on through the father I.E. His seed. In leviticus 17: 11 The life of the flesh is in the blood jesus Christ has sinless blood that's genealogy. Prayerfully this helped God Bless

Pauls encouragement to the Church of Corinth to keep faith in God,not to slip into sin.

Hi , I believe that Mary was also descended from king David , she is a descendant of Nathan who was one of David's sons , David had quite a few sons .

S Spencer Amen brother there is a major difference between the two. God Bless