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Earl I do understand your scripture but you are saying that when we get born again we instantly think like Christ then why do we still sin, because if we had perfect spiritual minds we would have perfect spiritual thoughts and walk by the spirit perfectly, then why does it say in Romans 12:2 Renew your mind, also your Right it says let this mind be in you it doesn't say it's instant, also 2 Corinthians 10:5 bring every thought to the obedience of Christ. The apostle Paul wrote about it in Romans 7:15-23 in verse 23 he says warring against the law of my mind. There's an old saying ideas capture men not weapons. Our weapon is the word retained in our minds which is developed as we walk on the word the spirit is perfect.We still battle with the old man nature or human reasoning it must be brought to obedience by us putting on the Love of God in Christ. If this is what your saying. okay God Bless

Amen Bro. Earl Bowman i enjoy reading your post. We gotta keep the new birth in mind from that heavenly Seed . which is a Hint that we are gona birth a baby Christ which is the H.G. GOD The CHILD OF Promise ,unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in. In both case Psalms 82 and Matthew 13 he is saying something to us that is gonna result in a birth making us Gods. His words ( conversation ) are gonna initiate a BIRTH OF Christ in us which is the H.G. THE Child of Promise and the H.G is truly God. ( Emamuel ) God with us. I will KNOW them all from the least to the greatest which is an intimacy that is gonna result in a birth of Christ in us. Whosoever receiveth one such Child in my name Receiveth me . The very fact that Jesus tells us the Kingdom of God is gonna be with in US Proves we are gonna be Gods . The Kingdom of God in all its GLORY IS NOTHIN LESS THEN GOD. PERIOD. The Marriage supper of the Lamb is gonna gonna make us 1 with our God which is the H.G. Emanuel God with us.

Earl with all due respect we will never be equal with God, we have his spirit now which is perfect but we still have corrupt bodies, we will not be made perfect until we are resurrected from then this mortal will put on immortality if that's what you are saying okee dokee. I God Bless Don't get me wrong you never said in a resurrected body that changes everything God Bless

Earl with all due respect we will never be equal with God, we have his spirit now which is perfect but we still have corrupt bodies, we will not be made perfect until we are resurrected from then this mortal will put on immortality if that's what you are saying okee dokee. If not that's okay its your privilege. God Bless

We are evil ,Genesis ch6 v5 and ch8 v21 , these are God's words . Also 1st Samuel ch16 , 2nd Kings ch6 v33 and Job Ch2 V10 . Matthew ch7 v11 , Mark ch7 v21 and John Ch2 v24&25 . The serpent isn't some kind of supernatural evil being , Jesus likens himself to the brassen serpent , if you know what that's about , why would Jesus do that ? The serpent is sinfull flesh , the brassen serpent is the fore shadow of Jesus . Jesus lived a sinless life even though he was made of the same sinfull flesh that we are , sinfull flesh was crucified , Jesus was victorious over his own sinfull flesh , this is his victory . Death is the wages if sin , Jesus couldn't stay dead because he was victorious over his own sinfull flesh in that he did no sin .James Ch1 v 12-15 . It's very simple . Why can't we accept responsibility for our sinfullness , if a murderer claimed in court that the devil made him do it , do we let him off ? We execute people , do we do that because we believe the devil made them do it or because they chose themselves to do it ? Should we execute people if they are not totally responsible for their actions ? We don't kill the devil , we kill a human . Is that any kind of justice ?

Sister Dianne:

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be IN YOU, which was ALSO IN Christ Jesus:

Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be EQUAL with God.

Romans 8:7 But the carnal mind is enmity against God .....

1 Corinthians 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that we may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Mark, Precious friend, there is NO water baptism, today, Under God's GRACE. ie:

Does God Require water baptism, today? IF yes, then, we have to find out WHICH of the Many Various "denominational traditions" is the Correct one, Correct?

However, IF God Says "NO," as I believe All Scripture Shows below, then "yes" is OUT of the question, yes?:

"Summary study" on this Important Issue:

Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL: The Twelve Were Sent to water baptize!

The TWO Main, of 12 baptisms =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!" ( Matthew 3:5-6) ( Mark 1:4) ( Luke 3:3) ( John 1:31) ( Luke 7:29-30) ( Acts 10:37) ( Matthew 28:19) ( Mark 16:16) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 22:16) ( Ezekiel 36:25) ( John 18:35) ( Exodus 19:6)

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B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders! ( Isaiah 44:3) ( Matthew 3:11) ( Mark 1:8) ( Mark 16:17-18) ( Luke 24:49) ( Acts 2:17-18) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 8:15-17) ( Acts 11:16)

Prophecy/Law

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From Things That Differ!:

Mystery/GRACE! = our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:

Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?:

Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,

Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!

( Ephesians 4:5) ( Colossians 2:12) ( Galatians 3:27) ( Romans 6:3-4)

( 1 Corinthians 12:13)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Conclusion: God's ONE Baptism Today? = ONE OR, EQUALS TWO?

Is it not Possible That God's Answer Of "No water baptism, for us Today," Under HIS Pure GRACE, absolutely vanquishes the {Many Severely DIVIDED denominations?} Confusion into oblivion!? Also, "...we walk By FAITH, Not by sight..." ( 2 Corinthians 5:7) Amen?

Mark, Precious friend, Please be Richly Encouraged, enlightened, exhorted, and edified!

Agree with KJ

Howard We all in your terms give in so to speak, no man except Jesus Christ ever walked perfectly by the Spirit, as Paul outlined in Romans 7:14-25 we all deal with it. On the bright side we are forgiven by God through what Jesus Christ accomplished now the challenge to walk by the spirit is doing it is written. I don't dwell on what I do not do right also Paul in Philippians 3: 13, forget the past, that doesn't mean don't learn from it, don't dwell on it. A person who does a 300 yard dash doesn't in the middle of the race turn His head to look back. Just food for thought. In the end do the best you can then Philippians 2:13.

Sister dianne, nothing is out of context. i quoted 1 timothy 5:16 and 1 corinthians 15:38. that is the resurrected body.

1 timothy 6:16 who (christ) only hath immortality (life with no end).....

1 corinthians 15:38 but god giveth it (the elect) a body.....and to every (elect) his (christ) own body.

you are the body of christ.

he is the resurrection.

Hi , I bite my tongue so much , I start to read a post on here and I get so far into it and I just have to stop . I think some people just want to be liked and to not rock the boat so they go along with what other people say , I also think that some people don't trust their own intelligence , God is not the author of confusion , what He wants us to know He tells us , if He hasn't said it it's not for us to just make stuff up , the Bible , THE BIBLE is our teacher , there really is enough in there to keep us busy rather than excercising our own imaginations on stuff that contradicts the Bible , the Bible is our teacher , that's why God gave it to us, to help us learn about and draw closer to Him , Hosea Ch 4 is so important , and we r so easily decieved by our own proud vain sinful nature . Me too , I include myself 100 per cent , truth comes only from God and I can find Him in the Bible and no where else , the Bible is the only thing I trust .

Saints equal with God?

I am curious to know where you encountered this concept.

To be equal with God we must first judge God's value and merit.



One quick response is that the Jews sought to stone Jesus when they perceived His claim of equality with God, as in John 5:18.

Also look at

I John 3:20 - God is greater than our hearts

Psalm 61:2 - God is higher than us

Psalm 89:27 - God will make Christ higher than the kings of the Earth

Ecclesiastes 5:8 - God is higher than the highest



If you will know them by their fruits, let's look to our ways;

Isaiah 55:9 - God's ways are infinitely higher than ours

Job 15:6 - We are unclean

Isaiah 64:6 - NOTHING we do could measure up to God's righteousness

That is a very big and significant thing to say, to claim anyone as an equal with God.

As a comparison, there is one very heretical sect which believes we will judge God.

Clearly, just based upon the references I have listed, their claim is not the least bit credible.

Such statements cannot stand of their own merit nor of that of their speaker.

Equality with God or standing in judgment of God would be enormous claims requiring substance to back them up.

Big claims are either big truths or big falsehoods. Not everyone can determine the difference.

You may or may not be a great theologian or an academic authority.

Even such titles wouldn't be enough for a common joe like me.

Being that this is a Biblical site, answers of that magnitude carry credibility only when they are backed by Scriptural reference.

Otherwise;

If I wanted to debate you, it would be difficult because I don't see here where your basis is or how to clarify a dissent.

If I wanted to agree with you, well, again, your basis is not shown, so I would be at some degree of loss in composing a reply.

On any subject, but especially such a profound claim, let authority be Sola Scriptura and let Scripture interpret Scripture.

Hi Chris Here's some stuff to think about in the strongs concordance and the young's analytical biblically the word was does not exist. Now when used in the bible some times they italicized it and some times they didn't. In Genesis 1:2 It says the earth was [not italicized] without form and void and darkness was [italicized] upon the face of the deep. I'm aware that there's times when the translators are correct and sometimes they weren't. Not saying the bible is wrong translation has nothing to do with what holy men spake years ago as they were moved by holy spirit .Peter 1:20+21 Just a conversation piece. Anyone invited God Bless

Amazing words

Earl we are going to judge the world at the end with Christ in a resurrected body, not our current bodies, with all due respect there's a few things pulled out of context of usage. That being said it's your privilege to believe what you choose. God Bless

Cheries Jeremiah 10 It is very interesting that you mention nimrod his name means rebel and its says he was a mighty hunter the lord the word mighty is lipene that word means in the face of or defiant before God. When you read about this guy he was absolutely defiant against the true God. In the bible the number 3 means complete God mentions therefore in context he was completely defiant. When you read about him historically he was a real piece of work and all if not most of false belief systems of the world eminated from his kingdom. I like how God intervened at the tower of babel which was part of Nimrods kingdom and broke it up. God Bless P.S. There is much more to this guy than whats written.

Vernard, when Christ (the SPIRIT) has COMPLETED his WORK in us we will be equal to God (SPIRIT). NOT being God the Father or Christ the Lord; but equal in all that they are. The SAME AND EQUAL in love, mercy, truth, wisdom, understanding, judgement; everything they are, we WILL BE.

The Saints are going to JUDGE the world with Christ; how can they judge righteous judgements without being EXACTLY like Christ in all attributes. We will be gods in respect to being EQUAL in all ways; But not Being God the Father or Christ the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:38 But God GIVETH it (the SEED) a body as it hath pleased him, and to every SEED his (CHRIST) own body.

1 Timothy 6:16 Who ONLY hath immortality (LIFE without end), Dwelling in the light which not man can approach unto (without HIM), whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Sacha,

I agree. I must not be a terrific Christian because I loathe them that clutch on to false Biblical narratives and doctrines. They believe stuff only dead men know. Christianity gets pressed into a carnival show.

If a judge came down to earth to judge us, we would be found guilty on all counts, and God would be held accountable. God's God must be angry at God for creating this hell on earth, and blaming us for how we were made at your hands.

Pat Edwards Gospel of Mathew 22: 37-40 some others along the same lines James 3:9-17, Ephesians 4:29, and Galatians 6:10 there are many more God Bless When we communicate with the Love of God there is nothing to hide because 1 John 4:18 walking or communicating in perfect love all motivations are pure.

Pat Edwards Gospel of Mathew 22: 37-40 some others along the same lines James 3:9-17, Ephesians 4:29, and Galatians 6:10 there are many more God Bless.

Hi RLW.

I hold to some of those views you have, I have never studied intensely in that area, But I have listened to teachings from Chuck Missler on the Book of Jude and Genesis Ch 1:2. that is provocative.

God bless.

How we are to behave one to another .. ( Eph. 4.31-32) ( Prov. 17.17) ( 1 Cor. 13.1-8)

If someone is being bad to you or harmful/hurtful .. (Ecclesiasticus 6.13) ( Prov. 26.18-19)

If someone is being bad to another and the other stays .. (Ecclesiasticus 13.15-18)

And depending on what they did that was bad .. (Ecclesiasticus 22.20-22)

Just depends on the scenario and what bad thing(s) they're doing, if they're wanting to change and/or are showing signs of repentance but if they're doing bad things just because it's what they love to do then I would stay clear from them.

Don't feel bad about not being around them until they change .. ( Prov. 4.14-15)

I hope this helps.

Hi Vernard The word saint in the church epistles is the word hagios which means holy seperate or set apart, it applies to primarily to people who God set apart spiritually, in all the church epistles in the first few verses you will notice called to be saints or to the saints it applies to us who God has separated from the darkness of this world Believing Romans 10:9+10 born again. In regards to equal with God have no idea where that's coming from. God Bless

You are welcome sister, Thank you.

God bless

If you marry and divorce. Then marry another person and divorce. Can you go back to your first husband? And is that sin?

Donna

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. - These are Jesus words

Hi Donna I'm going to endeavor to answer this question which is a challenging one. First sin is broken fellowship with God that is the position all mankind is born in. Ephesians 2:1 we are born body and soul no spiritual connection period. Man still has free will thats where he has a choice John 3: 16-20 Gods word is the only true explanation for life the way God meant it to work. No matter if a man believes or not he will still be Judged by his deeds Romans 2:1-16. The only way to get out of the state of sin is believing Romans 10: 9+10. Man is driven by the deeds of the flesh the five senses which is sin until he receives Jesus Christ as lord and Saviour and receives holy spirit and renews His mind to the word his body is captive to the flesh which works against Gods Word 1 John 2:16. So man has free will and some love sin more than God knowingly. Prayer fully this helped God Bless

How are we to behave toward others? A worldly saying is "Never hide your bad side to make someone stay. Show your bad side & see who can stay." What is a scriptural verse that can counter this?

On your question of water baptism being 'required' for salvation. The apostle Paul in his letters spoke many times of living for the Lord and the many characteristics that would confirm that new nature. Salvation is twofold. First, one must trust Christ as Savior for the forgiveness of their sins. Secondly, and of equal weight, they must embrace Him as Lord of their life. When one comes to the realization of their wretched state in relation to God, they should call upon the Lord for his mercy to forgive them their trespasses and then be prepared to receive the grace provided by the Holy Spirit to follow His mandates, statutes, and commands. Among the first of these would be water immersion, if possible.

But, if not possible for reasons of location, current physical condition or other unique factors, God would not negate the forgiveness of sins for that believer. He would simply start the walk of obedience from that point on. If situations are permitted in future time, the Holy Spirit could be relied upon to prompt that person to complete that obligation then.

Remember, faith and obedience. They go hand in hand for the follower of Christ and God.