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S Spencer,

How can you have a title like that and not cover Joseph being sold into slavery by his brothers?

That was the first thing I thought of, but we all think differently.

OSEAS,

Daniel 9:27 speaks to me differently. That verse is an esoteric overview, the abomination that makes desolate in the midst of the week, and where anti-christ is revealed (Babylon falling away). There is only a 42 month window for anti-christ, we only have the 2nd half of the week left.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Something tells me you won't let go of your doctrines, and you'd be remiss to not profess 2 beasts having 42 months consecutive power in antichrists 7 year kingdom.

That is a great testimony. I haven't been the best Christian ( Grew up Catholic ) and I am still studying the older

bibles vs the newer changed ones. My father saw a dead relative visit him at night and pointed that something

bad would happen to my mother. When he told me this, I thought he was going crazy but 2 months later my

mother was diagnosed with cancer. So I think this was a sign or message from heaven.

Here's is one of the most important verses in scripture. And one of the most misunderstood!

Because people think this is something you do, or you just say.

But it's something that you have no control of!! John is telling us it has already been done by the Holyspirit!

Notice the last four words doesn't say you SHOULD LOVE your brother also. IT SAYS YOU DO! OR IT'S DONE. THIS IS PERFORMED BY THE HOLYSPIRIT. ITS AGAPE.

1 John 4:21. And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God LOVE HIS BROTHER ALSO.

1 John 3:10. IN THIS THE CHILDREN OF GOD ARE MANIFEST, AND THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, NEITHER HE THAT LOVETH NOT HIS BROTHER.

If this Love don't exist between two then maybe you're not brothers. Which implies you have separate Fathers.

Jude 1:4. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Jude 1:12. These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots

Jude 1:18-19. How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

1 John 2:19. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, THAT THEY MIGHT BE MADE MANIFEST THAT THEY WERE NOT ALL OF US.

Beware of woman and men who say they're Christian but join themselves with EVERYONE how is against truth.

John 14:6. Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Thanks Jesse for much on this lesson.

God bless.

DIANNE

About 1 Corinthians 13:v.6&

6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the Truth;

9 We know in part, and we prophesy in part.

10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

8 Whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away - Charity never faileth.

Charity mnifests itself where is manifest the Truth, Charity rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the Truth.

Every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. Hebrews 5:v.12-13

And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming. If ye know that he is righteous,ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him. 1John 2:v.28-29

DIANNE

He who has part with the thief (messengers of the Wicked One) trouble/torments his own soul, hears curses and does not denounce him.

The kingdoms of THIS WORLD (world of Devil) are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. Rev. 11:v.15

And the NATIONS were (will be) ANGRY, and thy wrath is come-GOD's wrath-,and the time of the dead, that they should be JUDGED, and that GOD should give reward unto His servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear His name, small and great; and should DESTROY them which destroy the earth- Revelation 11:v.18. (This prophecies will fulfill LITERALLY from now on - Be careful and get ready)

The battle is against three unclean spirits like frogs, a SATANIC TRINITY.

Brother Johnathan, the beginning statement of the final paragraph of the first post was that "No one should personally decide that is truth and what is allegorical." Thank you.

Ronald L Whittemore,

There is a literal Beast & Babylon established in our time, they are two kings, and you should know who they are before one spoils the other. You will know them by their fruit. You haven't thought Revelation out in modern day terms, symbolism throws you off. It will be much easier to place the abomination of desolation in America ( Isaiah 47) while simultaneously, Israel suffers ( Revelation 6:12) and invaded from all sides by the beast army ( Ezekiel 38:1-17). Science can create earthquakes, like HAARP. How else is anti-christ going to do what Napoleon and Hitler couldn't do?

satan cast down from heaven? Didn't Jesus say satan was the god of this world? Jesus returns to take control of all kingdoms from satan, right? So, how is satan thrown to earth when it is already his domain? Isn't that allegory? Doesn't the Letter lets ( Joel 2) satan lets Jesus (day of the Lord) lets the beast take Babylon with violence?

Let's be honest, If I was posting as Jesus, and tore down every ill conceived doctrine you held dear, would you take heed, or would you curse me for insulting your brand of Christianity?

Johnathan, this discussion board is not a forum for one to purposely attempt to "humiliate" a fellow believer; such is not of Christ. We are here to share and edify in love.

Concerning the two witnesses, God always has multiple applications of a theme. Christ and the Holy Ghost are His two greatest witnesses ( John 14:16; 15:26). The Southern and Northern Kingdoms, Judah and Israel, were His two witnesses. The tribes of Judah and Benjamin became God's two witnesses when the Northern Kingdom veered into idolatry under Jeroboam. Lastly, God's two witnesses today are the Jewish and Christian folds of the kingdom ( John 10:16).

The conversation centered on God's two great witnesses among the prophets ( Rev. 11:3, 10); for they will sit at the right and left hand of Christ ( Matt. 20:21-23). As evidence on the Mount of Transfiguration, these two witnesses are Moses and Elijah ( Matt. 17:1-3).

Brother, one should personally decide what is truth and what is allegorical. All would agree that the Book of Revelation is highly symbolic and allegorical. However, Christ was speaking straightforwardly when He said John the Baptist was Elijah. The writer of Hebrews was speaking factually when he said neither Enoch nor Melchisedec died. Some say that the Book of Job was allegorical. However, God verified that he was a person ( Ezek. 14:14). Some think the story of Jonah was a fable. Yet, Christ spoke of him as being a real person ( Matt. 16:4).

Brother Earl.

Part 3.

There seems to be some technical difficuties. but if you look at Ezekiel ch 16 and other places in the old testament God says he is Israels father and he also says they are the children of other nations who worshiped false gods, calling them their sister. I believe that other god is the god of this world.

Good Evening

I wanted to share my testimoy so that it may bring hope to someone.

I went through a period of rejection and isolation at times it seemed as if a dark cloud was over me.

I lost most of my friends and references and everyone was seperating from me and I did not understand why.

I was lied on and I did not understand why, then I began to understand that Jesus went through some of the same things.

I have been in several abusive relationships and I have even been raped but GOD has kept me through it all.

I am understanding more than ever Ephesians 6:12 and though sometimes I may get weary Jesus will never leave or forsake me.

Bill M,

The other "they" from a far away land, will place a bruise on "evil" Mystery Babylon and this Holy mountain will turn to stubble.

( Isaiah 14:5-8)

5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.

6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:

8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.

This is what I like to talk about, the events that bring us closer to the Lord, the events that won't be put off. Whoever that vile Mystery Babylon is, know that the US military will make quick work off them, cause we're exceptional, and God's on our side. Go God go!

Brother Earl.

I believe prince of Tyrus, used in Ezekiel 28:2. he's talking to the king of Tyrus. "The ruler of Tyrus"

But in Ezekiel 28:12-19. He addresses him King of Tyrus and broadens his indictment and put him in places he has never been. I believe he's talking to the source behind the king of Tyrus. Carefully go through the verses.

Examples:

Here you see the Lord talking to the unclean spirits in a man.

Mark 5:7-9. And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.

For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.

And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.

Here's a link to scripture where Gabriel is fighting with Demonic forces of Persia. and next Grecia.

Daniel 10:13-21.

EVELYN

Really the God's people, much more now, need a lot of wisdom, it because Satan will manifest himself in Israel disguised as messiah, IN FACT an esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist messiah, actually AN IMPOSTER - John 5:v.43. Satan is a wise in Torah, he is wiser than Daniel the prophet, as GOD revealed to Ezekiel 28:v.1-3, and he will oppose and exalt himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God will sit in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. He will be the future guide of the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist Judaism, and as "messiah" he will be the most important ruler of Israel, inclusive he will use all structures of the Roman Catholic Church in the 7 regions of the Earth; I mean, Europe, Asia, Africa, Oceania(Australia), North America, Central Amrica, and South America (7 regions) for establishing a MONSTROUS religious and satanic Empire, the Antichrist's kingdom. By the way, the false messiah, enthroned in Jerusalem, the great city called spiritually Sodom and Egypt-Rev.11:v.8-, in the first half of the last week of 7 years-Dan.9:v.27, he will give to the guide of the RCC, the Pope, his Power, and his Throne, and great Authority-Rev.13:v.2.

The false messiah-Satan-son of perdition and MAN of sin, he will exerciseth all the power of the first Beast(the Pope) before him, and causeth the earth(Israel)and them which dwell therein to worship the first(MAN)Beast(the Pope),whose deadly wound was(will be)healed.Rev.13:v.12.

13 And he doeth (will do)great wonders,so that he(will)make fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And(will)deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the Beast;saying to them that dwell on the earth(Israel),that they should make an image to the Beast(the Pope),which had the wound by a Sword, and did live.

The fulfilment of above will begin after the death of Pope Francis very soon.

Earl Also are you saying once we are born again we don't commit sin, or break fellowship.

I can say I will never get a shot (vaccine) again after finding out all the random experimental stuff they sneak in. Not sure if its for their own amusement or research paper credentials or what. There's a lot they conceal and it's suspicious how they want legal protection for themselves too. If it were so safe why would they either need government to grant legal immunity or have you sign a waiver? I'm not sure it's the mark of the beast, but it sure does raise many red flags, especially when people have bad effects or die and that's just swept under the rug. We should all pray hard before taking experimental medicine.

KJBO God Bless Guys will endeavor to build up thanks for the reminder.

Ok, thanks for clarifying. I see those 2 verses as disconnected and unrelated. I don't believe only 144k will be caught in the air, but many more- all who were genuine Jesus followers. All the genuine Jesus-following Christians in the grave now far surpass that number. All are sinners on earth: Romans 3:10 needing grace. Revelation is highly symbolic and there are mysteries not yet revealed to us and I think Revelation would be completely understood until the afterlife. If salvation was only for 144k then that number would have been maxed out long ago. What then would be the point of being a Christian and spreading the gospel if no one could be saved? For those reasons and many others not stated I don't believe the symbolism in Revelation means only 144k are saved. God bless...

Oseas You dwell or think an awful lot about our enemy I like to discuss the love of God in Christ, Take the time to look at 1 Corinthians 13 especially the one verse the hard verse the love of God thinketh no evil, we will never master that one, but we have a lifetime to work at it. Talk about walking in the love of Christ, its sort of like attracting bees with honey non believers are the bees the word is the honey our delivery is love. Something to think about. God Bless

Brother Earl I have had children they were never totally under my will why because over time they took in different information then made up there own minds what they by there will would believe. I do also Know and Believe that God and His word are His will but the only man in the history of the world that walked with Him perfectly by the Spirit was His Only begotten Son our Saviour. Even after were born again we commit sin which is broken fellowship, why because we follow our senses. Read Romans 7:14-25. That's why we needed a Saviour because God in His Absolute will and knowledge knew man was going to blow it. If I did not explain this clear enough my apologies sir. I will also end discussion with all respect God Bless

Earl Bowman,

" Ezekiel 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tarsus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart (prince of Tarsus) is lifted up, and thine (prince of Tarsus) heart is lifted up, an thou hast said, I am a God, and I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet that art a MAN, and not God, though thou (prince of Tarsus) Set thine heart AS THE heart of God.

ALL MEN have the same problem; they want to EXALT THEMSELVES ABOVE GOD.

ALL MEN START OUT AS (children of) SATAN."

Ezekiel 28:2 overshadows ( Isaiah 14:12-14) & ( 2 Thessalonians 2:4).

I like how the prophets intertwine and repeat messages; you will rarely see an error in their texts. The prophets are woefully underrated by the people, as the NT is their book of choice.

BROTHER Earl.

Part 2. Sold under sin.

Romans 7:14. For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

I believe this old fallen nature has a source behind it. Spiritual wickedness, Children of darkness.

2 Corinthians 4:3-4. But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

John 3:19. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

I believe we're born Children of Adam and When we're Born again ( Born from above) we're Children of God.

Romans 5:19. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Note: To the Pharisees

John 8:44. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. AND OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS IN THE FLESH DONT EXCEED THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE PHARISEES.

1 John 3:9-10. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

In this the children of God are manifest, and the CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, ( neither he that loveth not his brother. ) THERE IS HOW WE IDENTIFY THEM.

1 John 2:11. But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

This is why there is diverse beliefs we have seen recently, but did you notice only 2 sides, we see some join forces against the truth. because there is 2 sources behind the scene. Mathew 12:30.

Part 3 coming.

God bless.

EARL BOWMAN

Yes, correct; GOD is in control of all things, NOTHING random happens.

SAHA

The Christians believers must be focused in the signs of the END of this WORLD and return of the Lord JESUS Christ. Soon we will enter in the period of 7 days known as the last week-Dan.9:v.27. The Word is God, what is written will fulfill LITERALLY.

Matthew 24:1-8

1 Jesus went out,and departed from the temple:and his disciples came to Him for to shew Him the buildings of the temple.

2 And Jesus said unto them,See ye not all these things?verily I say unto you,There shall not be left here one stone upon another,that shall not be thrown down.

(This prophecy fulfilled LITERALLY in the year 70AD,and Israel was banned from their land during 1878 years,in fulfilment Deuteronomy 28:15-68).

3 And as JESUS sat upon the mount of Olives,the disciples came unto him privately,saying,Tell us,when shall these things be?

- and what shall be THE SIGN of thy coming?

- And of the END of the world?

Here's the signs listed by JESUS:

4 And Jesus answered:

- Take heed that no man deceive you. (this was the first concerns of JESUS)

5 For many shall come in my name,saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

-(Soon will manifest the Beast of the earth who has two horns like a lamb,actually a false lamb,a false messiah,AN IMPOSTER,as said JESUS- John 5:v.43 combined with Rev.13:v.11.(Check it)

6 And ye shall hear of WARS and RUMOURS of WARS:see that ye be not troubled:for all these things must come to pass,but the END is not yet.

7 For nation shall rise against nation,and kingdom against kingdom:and there shall be famines,AND PESTILENCES,and earthquakes in divers places.

NATION SHALL RISE AGAINST NATION, AND KINGDOM AGAINST KINGDOM

Will be G7,and G20,and EU,and UNO,among others Entities,DISSOLVED from now on?According 2Pe.3:11&12,day after day the HAPPENINGS in this World will go in this direction.

v.8 - All these are the beginning of sorrow. -Yeah,THE WORST will come yet,in near future.

Is it written in the Word of GOD? Then will fulfill LITERALLY. The Word is GOD

Sister Dianne, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS grace.

God CANNOT be SOVEREIGN and man have FREE WILL, it's impossible. Man would be able to CHANGE what God predestinated.

There have been billions of people that have been born and died, if man has free will why didn't at least one free will himself to NOT SIN.

Man makes hundreds of choices every day, but ever choice you make has a CAUSE and that cause is God:

Ephesians 1:11 In whom we also have obtained an inheritance, being PREDESTINATED according to the PURPOSE OF HIM who worketh ALL THINGS after the counsel of HIS WILL.

Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD that WORKETH IN YOU both to WILL and DO of his good pleasure.

You are born again by the word of God.

This is part of being born again: you AGREE with God; that you do nothing of yourself, all is OF GOD, he shares his glory with NO ONE.

He causes you to believe, He causes you to understand that it is his faith not yours, He causes you to repent, He causes you to LOVE.

Philippians 1:29 For unto you it is GIVEN in the behalf of Christ, not only to BELIEVE ON HIM, but to also suffer for his sake;

Philippians 3:9 And being found in HIM, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the FAITH OF CHRIST, the righteousness which is OF GOD by faith.

Romans 2:4 ....Not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance.

Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my spirit WITHIN YOU, and CAUSE YOU to walk in my statutes, and ye shall KEEP my judgements, ans DO THEM.

NO FREE WILL in those scriptures.

Living IN CHRIST becomes quite simple when you are born of TRUTH.

Adam,

I'm saying that ( 1 Thessalonians 4:17) is for the elect 144K only, no one else is worthy.

( Revelation 20:5) is all that's left. God offers everlasting life and you want to dictate your way past the saints, as if you are on their level? Everything has an order, a time and a place.

did moses stayed on the mountain for forty days and forty night did he eat

Hi Sacha,

This virus may be a test for something to come. What I see is the effect it had world-wide and what it has done to the world economic standings. I really do not see the virus as a sign. But looking at the world debt could be. Every country on earth is in debt, even China. One more hit to the world economy like last year, and it could open the door to world changes. If another pandemic hits can the world bare the cost? Can any country pay off the debt, I know the United States cannot? The dollar is the World Currency, most international trade is conducted in dollars, so what if it fails, will that start the ball rolling?

Just a thought from a simple man.

Hope this helps God bless you Sacha

RLW

Brother S Spencer, are you saying because he use the word prince it has a different meaning than the word king.

I'm not trying to argue, I'm not understanding what you are saying.

What is you understanding of a lamentation.

Are you saying because he use the word prince he is addressing Satan.

Do you think Satan is a fallen angel, maybe that would help me if I know what you believe.

Hiya Sacha may i give ya my opinion about the soon coming of our lord, This is y i think it is very near. The Nation of Israel has become a LEGAL Nation Again after 2000 yrs as of May 14 1948 approx. 2000 yrs ( 2 Days in the sight of God ) after the Cross . The prophet Hosea prophesied in Hosea 6 : 2 After 2 Days will he revive US and on the 3 rd day he will raise us up and we shall LIVE IN HIS SIGHT. Then shall we know that if we follow on to know the lord his going forth is prepared as the Morning , Peter says that 2 Days are like 2000 yrs in his Sight etc. A day is like a 1000 yrs in his sight etc. I Said all this just to mention that if natural Israel has become a legal NATION Again in 1948 May 14 then The the Israel of God the the Multiplication of Christ via his good seed the living word the contents of the Book in the fathers right hand cannot be far behind, That book has to be opened as GOD tells DANIEL n 12 . The WOMAN THE WORLD CANNOT GO INTO BIRTH PAINS TILL THE BOOK IS OPENED .JESUS SAID UNLESS YA RECEIVE THE KINGDOM OF GOD AS A LIL CHILD IMPLING A HEAVENLY Birth the 2 nd coming . They didn't sing a new song till the book was opened simply b/c the book is the new covenant that contains the living words, the seeds of the sower . The words of wonder that DANIEL SAW.