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native america and others use fire by old fashion survival for example stones or friction of stick. Adam and eve is very very very smart to figure out how to make fire as similar as native america culture.

Hi Brother Earl.

I agree, I don't think Lucifer was created perfect as far as "immune from Iniquity."

I believe his perfection is better described in verses 12 through 14.

He is described as if he's #1 in rank, or Complete for what he was created for.

""Thou sealest up the sum""

He also was ( THE ANOINTED CHERUB )

Ezekiel 28:12-13. Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; THOU SEALEST UP THE SUM, full of wisdom, and PERFECT IN BEAUTY.

Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; EVERY PRECIOUS STONE WAS THY COVERING, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: THE WORKMANSHIP OF THY TABRETS AND OF THY PIPES WAS PREPARED IN THEE IN THE DAY THAT THOU WAST CREATED.

THOU ART THE ANOINTED CHERUB THAT COVERED; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

THOU WAST PERFECT IN THY WAYS FROM THE DAY THAT THOU WAST CREATED, till iniquity was found in thee.

God bless.

Brother S Spencer, in your studies, would you please, find the Hebrew word that has been translated to the word Lucifer and see how it is defined in other scriptures. Man's belief that Lucifer was perfect contradicts other scriptures. If this is the only place that word is translated Lucifer? If it has another meaning, then maybe Lucifer was not perfect.

Job 26:13 By his SPIRIT he hath garnished the heavens, his hand hath FORMED (MADE) the crooked serpent.

Isaiah 27:1 In that day (TODAY) the LORD with sore and great and strong sword (THE WORD) shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and shall SLAY (kill by the word of God) the dragon that is in the sea (the sea represents us, Revelation 17:15). (We die daily by the word of God).

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil (flesh); for the devil (flesh) committeth sin from the BEGINNING (not perfect and fell). For this purpose the Son of God was manifest, that he (SPIRIT) might destroy the works of the devil (FLESH).

From the (BEGINNING); Adam and all of us were FORMED (MADE) FLESH out of dust.

1 Corinthians 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect (mature): yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the PRINCES OF THIS WORLD, that come to nought:

Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world (flesh), according to the PRINCE of the Power of the Air (flesh), the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience (flesh).

Mark 8:33 ....he rebuked Peter, saying, get thee behind me, Satan....

Peter was (flesh) not yet BORN AGAIN of the SPIRIT.

Matthew 4:1 Then Jesus was led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil (flesh).

Jesus was already BORN OF SPIRIT so the devil (flesh) had no power over him.

1 Corinthians 15:46 Howbeit that which was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural (flesh); and afterwards that which is spiritual.

Food for thought; the Spirit reveals.

Hello Arnold B , nice to meet you and thank you for your post , I too struggle with love , it isn't something that comes easy to me and I know that I do not love God or Jesus enough , you are right that we have to know how to love ourselves , if we don't know how to love ourselves how can we love some one else and if we don't know how to love other people who we can see ,how can we love God who we can't see , the thing that is helping me to learn is to see God everywhere , He is everywhere , He is in all of His gorgeous creation , if you in any way appreciate nature then you are appreciating God , He is in every act of kindness , every selfless act ,even the little ones , He is in every genuine smile , He is all over , where ever there is beauty or kindness He is there ,and if you can't see any kindness then it's up to you to bring it , He will use you to help others ,Jesus is our perfect example , it's a bit of a clich but to think to yourself "what would Jesus do ? " isn't a bad idea . He won't lead you down the wrong path .

In Joel chapter 3 verse 4, the Lord asked, what do you have against me, Tyre and Sidon and you cities of Philistia? What did those cities have against the Lord?

Dear Gregory , we are none of us worthy ,Christ is our righteousness , please take the bread and wine , he gave his body for you and me and he wants us to partake of it , Luke ch22 v7-20 .

Prophecy and what we have been taught, just my thoughts.

Studying prophecy, or any subject, scripture, and the Holy Spirit is the interpreter, we are not. Putting trust in man's interpretations without studying with a clear mind, with prayer, and led by the Holy Spirit of truth could be disastrous. If the Holy Spirit does not show us the answer, we may need to grow in other areas of our walk first. Praise God for what we have been shown.

Many teachings on end times reflect Babel, (confusion, a confused mixture of sounds, unintelligible voices, or languages, bewilderment, a confused and deceived assembly), making merchandise of people. Remember "take heed that no man deceive you".

If we have dedicated our belief in the teachings out there before we go to the Bible for the facts, the only things we will see will line up with the conclusion we have already come to, we deceive ourselves. Our ears to the Holy Spirit are closed. Maybe not willingly, we are blinded from the truth by the pride of our knowledge. Imaginations of the heart is a foothold of evil, we inherited from the first Adam and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

A simple question that may show how things we have been taught since Sunday school as a kid may have created a scotoma (blind spot) in our minds. Many probably know this answer but may it open some eyes and ears to other things we may be wrong about and not know we are wrong.

How many of each type of animal went into the Ark? If you first said two each, ( Genesis 7:2-3)

Clean beast by 7, male and female =14, unclean beast by 2, male and female=4, fouls by 7, male and female=14. Man by 4, male and female =8. All two-by-two male and female not two of each. I know this may be meaningless, but what other things much more important have we accepted, that we have been taught as truth, that is not?

If we have been deceived, are we responsible?

May we walk in the Holy Spirit of truth

RLW

I have a burden in my heart for someone I love. They need to feel the love and salvation power of Jesus. I pray the strongholds of the devil are taken away form their life. I love them dearly.

Johnathan Taylor

Greetings in Christ JESUS

Sorry, your information is not accurate. The 3.5 years of the 7 last years have NOT been fulfilled as you claim.

I agree "The prophesy is not in consecutive years", but not in the manner you are interpreting.

Christ JESUS crucified (cut off) had/has nothing to do with the entire week of seven years as you believe.

JOHNATHAN, what prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD.

Daniel 9:26-27-CJB-Complete Jewish Bible-

v.26 Then, AFTER the sixty-two weeks, Mashiach will be cut off and have nothing. The people of a PRINCE YET TO COME will destroy the city and the sanctuary,...

v.27 He (the EVIL PRINCE) will make A STRONG COVENANT WITH LEADERS FOR ONE WEEK [of years]. ...

Comments:

Do you see? Based in the Word of GOD,A SATANIC AND DESTRUCTIVE PRINCE rules the week 70th BY ENTIRE, i.e.7 YEARS, and makes A STRONG COVENANT WITH LEADERS FOR ONE WEEK [of years]. ...

These terrible EVENTS revealed in the Word of GOD quoted above didn't happen in the time of JESUS, or rather, during His Ministry, He had already been cut off before the week 70th, there is a gap between the week 69 and 70, and JESUS never saw, neither heard to speak of that satanic PRINCE during His Ministry, no destruction occurred by any prince in the time of JESUS, until He be crucified.

For better understanding, WE NEED TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS, because in this POINT - Daniel 9:v.26-27-, that is, AFTER the END of the week 69,the prophecy reveals a PRINCE is working in his STRONG COVENANT with LEADERS during the week 70th;This satanic EVENT did not occur in the time of JESUS.

Who is this EVIL prince?

What kind of STRONG COVENANT the satanic PRINCE makes with leaders for one week [of years]?

Who are these leaders?

In this POINT - Daniel 9:v.26-27-,that is, AFTER the END of the week 69,a PRINCE is working in his strong COVENANT with leaders to be applied for ONE WEEK divided in two periods of 3,5 years or 42 months (first half and 2nd half)

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Hello, the word is only a convenience used to describe the event the Bible describes in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 where believers are caught up in the air to meet Jesus. The word Bible isn't in the Bible either. Just because a specific word isn't included in the Bible doesn't mean something isn't from the Bible or isn't true. God bless.

Gregory It has nothing to do with how we feel or are we good enough, biblically we've been made righteous before God we've been redeemed bought back by God we've been sanctified by God our past is Forgotten by God, we've been Given eternal life by God we will be raised at the return of Christ by God, so we will never be good enough to deserve all this just when you blow it or sin ask forgiveness in the name of Jesus Christ and move on. Remember your born again now Child of the most High. Its all in Gods Word, look it up and enjoy. P.S. don't judge yourself, waste of time, just do your best and let God do the Rest. God Bless

Ann People reading into things what God calls in Romans 1 The imaginations of men, once individuals meaning myself also start going down the road I think it means this or that, it begins a slippery slope, in the temptations in luke Satan said to Jesus Christ If Thou Be The Son Of God, Jesus Christ Had no doubt Who He Was Or The Power and Authority He Had but if He would have Questioned or Doubted, we would never been redeemed. Alsp notice His Reply on all points, which should be our reply It Is Written. My perspective.

Sandy,

You will not find the word rapture in the King James Bible. Something to keep in mind is that the KJV Bible is a translation, meaning it was translated from another language. The New Testament was originally written in Greek. English translations came later. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 is the section that speaks about the rapture of the church, although you will not see the word rapture. The phrase in that section "caught up" comes from the Greek word HARPADZO which means to be caught up, to be snatched, or to be seized. This Greek word is referring to the rapture. The Latin word is RAPTUS which is where we get our English word rapture from. So whether we say "caught up" or we say "rapture," it all means the same thing.

Sandy You will not find the word rapture, but in 2 thessalonians 2:1 you will read about our gathering together unto Him, which is explained in detail in 1 corinthians 15:50-54. This is when Chist comes back for His Body the Church of God and as it says in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, comfort each other with these words. it will happen so fast unbelievers won't know what just occurred. What a fantastic event to look forward to, the Hope of Christ return for us. God Bless

Yes Chris better known as Lucifer and very high position of power and authority also He walked in the Garden of God Eden. Something else to keep in mind he was not this hideous beast, also the serpent description is a figure of speech for how sly he operates. Would Eve be so stupid to converse with a hideous beast or snake, not buying it. look at Ezekiel 28:12-17 very descriptive of satan, king of tyrus is figure of speech, noticed perfect until iniquity was found in thee.

God is soo good we need this today

First time here. Thank you so much for providing this message. I have been a christian for a little over two years and have struggled and sometimes the days are to hard for me to even bare. But I know the word says he will gives his angels charge over thee to keep thee in thine ways. I've asked and continually try to ask how do I love more. How do I love Jesus more but also how can I be obedient. I believe you gave me this answer as it is shown clearly in scripture. I've been dealing a lot with knowing how to love myself but more importantly how to love more and more. I know the Lord is patient and he chastises those who he loves. Please pray for me. I know he has saved me for a purpose and everything that I've dealt with is going to lead me to more patience and trust it surely isn't easy at least all of this. Requires a lot of obedience and a lot of love and a lot of prayer.

Hahaha , I have to go , my rides here .

Dear osas,

I'm going to kindly point out a contradiction in your words.

You wrote: "I did not make any comment on Scriptures I quoted in my post, because Scriptures explains Scriptures."

But in your comment you wrote this explanation: "There was a multitude of angels in the Garden of Eden and there was also a ruler in Eden, a Cherub. They all rebelled against GOD - the Word is GOD - and they corrupted themselves as is wwritten in..."

Then in the same comment you wrote: "John the Apostle brings us a deep revelation"

It seemed your major point was that you were *only* sharing scripture and not your own interpretation, but the only problem with that point is you did insert your own interpretation, not just once, but twice. Also, cherry picking scripture in itself in response to a point shows your own interpretation, because you used only limited selections of scripture.

You also wrote: "Your thinking and argument is from a human perspective, not from God's perspective."

How do you and only you claim to know God's perspective? You just completely made up something not even in the Bible- that eve had relations with satan and had kids, which is totally outrageous and not found in the Bible- only in your own head.

Your claim was refuted by scripture. You used 4 references that you misinterpreted and I shared 9 scripture references that refuted your interpretation.

Scripture debunked your own claim. God bless...

Thank You!

For my business, health, potential identity theft tax issue, and family and their health problems, mom's serious tech issues, and grandma

My request is wrong for to take of the lord supper is during church.I am a Christian but feel like it is wrong of me to participate because I have not fully regain my God's trust of me and I don't feel worthy .

Hi Chris.

I believe the scripture actually says I will be ( LIKE ) the most high. here's scripture:

Isaiah 14:12-14. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; "I WILL BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH."

Ezekiel 28:15. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

We often quote it as Satan wanted to be God or dethrone God. But there is a significant difference here that may be applicable for us today.

You see God shares his glory with NO creative being.

"" Isaiah 42:8. I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.""

"" Jeremiah 9:23. Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches:""

2 Corinthians 10:17. But he that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

Considering Satans fall -

Here I believe we also should examine ourselves to see what's behind our Motives.

God bless.

Yes Chris better known as Lucifer and very high position of power and authority also He walked in the Garden of God Eden. Something else to keep in mind he was not this hideous beast, also the serpent description is a figure of speech for how sly he operates. Would Eve be so stupid to converse with a hideous beast or snake, not buying it. look at Ezekiel 28:12-17 very descriptive of satan, king of tyrus is figure of speech, noticed perfect until iniquity was found in thee.

Tell me the "rapture "I don't see the word in king james .I've heard we fly away. I've heard .heaven is on earth .I've heard satan comes first ,and I've heard Jesus will come to us not we going somewhere thank you all.

Why do the church need mean to step up?

please pray for me for always have a closer walk with the Lord. also for my entire family my mother, and please pray for my financial prosperity and my home that the Lord promise and for me to always be a cheerful giver in Jesus name.

Dianne , well said and Amen .

We love Warren ,all his songs are from the heart , that's the difference between a good song and a great song , looking forward to meeting you one day Gertrude , in the not too distant future I hope !

Sacha,

This is a public service announcement:

He's a hairy handed gent, who ran a muck in Kent (England)

Lately he's been overheard at Sacha's