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Greetings in Christ JESUS

About Genesis 1:v.2, will be the readers think or imagine the "SPIRIT OF GOD moved upon the face of the H2O? or waters according Revelation 17:v.15?

Thanks for writing back, Evangelist Enquirer, & that you have been encouraged to press on as the Lord leads you. I do admire your forthrightness by just approaching & speaking to people with the hope of sharing the deeper things of value with them. Many Christians would find that very hard to do, preferring to wait for the Lord to bring someone to them. This too can also work, but when Jesus commanded his disciples to "Go ye therefore & teach all nations", they had to physically 'pack up' & go out in faith, trusting that the Lord Who promised to always be with them, would also empower them. And so they did, the persecution was great, but the harvest was even greater. But they had to take the first step & it was only then that the Power & Presence of God would be seen & felt.

And you're taking those steps of 'outreach' now which might lead to giant strides in the future - the Lord leaves off the lazy & will make full use of those passionate for weary wandering hopeless souls. And rest assured that the Lord will be with you, He will give you His Message to share, empower you with joy & the Spirit, and remain confident in the face of opposition. I have many stories proving the Lord immensely faithful in such testing times, & where opposition increases, so does the Lord's Grace & Power. And btw, I still have a voice - just a little muffled. May the Lord lead & bless your work, now & in the days ahead.

LEON DAVIS,

John was "in the order" of Elijah. John had the spiritual likeness of Elijah, just like Malachi 4:5 will posses.

Centuries before, Melchizedek was in the order of Christ.

No matter how a prophets' death is romanticized, or fictionalized, they die mortal deaths; Enoch and Elijah too.

JESUS said: Matt.25:v.29 -

For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

Thank you so much for taking the time to talk to me and guide me in faith so swiftly. Bless you for all you have done for me. I pray that anything ailing you or weighing on you is healed just as swiftly as you have helped me. In jesus' name I pray. thank you Lord. Amen

That's very encouraging, Mishael - and yes, we all need to get very excited on the various developments, particularly around the ME area & of course, our longing & waiting for the Lord's coming & our gathering together unto Him.

Indeed, "Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him", but He has revealed them to us by His Spirit & knowing the demeanour of the Apostle Paul, he got awfully excited & bursting at the seams after his being "caught up into Paradise" & heard & saw glorious things. May we also look forward with anticipation & excitement, yet ever looking inward, that we may "not be ashamed before Him at His coming".

I often check out Erik Stackelbeck's, "The Watchman" on YT for ME updates & latest 'digs'.

Hello Chelsea. Further to what Adam has written & what I had earlier written to someone else who was in a similar situation to you: there are some Churches who will want you to fellowship with them & even participate in their Bible studies so that they can know you & establish your testimony by your witness & faithfulness before they will baptize. However, that is not a biblical requirement - generally Christians of the New Testament churches were baptized very soon after believing/being saved upon the testimony of salvation - baptism by the Spirit (being born again) & water baptism essentially go hand-in-hand.

Since you have now felt the need to be baptized, have you spoken to the preacher who first led you to the Lord? Even though he may be old or possibly incapable, he can verify your faith & even suggest/appoint someone to baptize you. And baptism does not need to be done in a baptismal font in a Church building - a river, a swimming pool, the beach, etc. would do just fine. Generally, the one who shares the Gospel & leads that person to salvation should also take the responsibility to see to the baptism ( Acts 8:27-39) - but I realize that nowadays, that's certainly not the case & baptism becomes just an added-on appendage.

And continue to be a loving wife to your unsaved husband - I can hardly imagine how difficult & distressing such a situation can be at times. Let your devotion to the Lord & your love & faithfulness to your husband always be evident to him, that he would have no accusation against your life & witness, & perchance, by your exemplary behaviour, your witness might speak mightily to his heart of the power of Christ & the Gospel. Remain strong in the Lord, sister.

EARL BOWMAN

Greetings in Christ JESUS

I enjoyed your message.Yes, EVERYTHING LITERAL has a parallel and is spiritually discerned, as you have said.The parables of our Lord JESUS are good examples, as you know.

Yes, was not made first which is spiritual,created in the likeness and image of Christ,but natural; in my vision this process remains for ever and ever, as said the wise:Ec.3:15 -That which hath been is now;and that which is to be hath already been;and GOD requireth that which is past.Paul apostle said:Rom.8:v.20-21:- 20 For the creature was made subject to vanity,not willingly,but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.Check it out in John 1:v.12-13.

By the way,John the Baptist said: John 3:v.31-32: -31 He that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: He that cometh from above is above all. 32-And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth;...

Now, in this END of the times, the process will be inverse, as said JESUS in Luke 20:v.35-36: 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world (the next world - the Kingdom of GOD - Rev.11:v.15-18), and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Ph.3:v.20-21:

20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

1Th. 4:v.16-17

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel,...17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up...to meet the Lord...and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

I have called all the churches I could find in my town as well as the two towns south. I have tried many times over the years. They all require proof of my christianity. I'm not being picky I've tried catholic Baptist Christian Pentecostal and others. They all believe I should defy my husband and leave our child with him for however many sundays it takes before they think I'm worthy of being baptized and am ready to dedicate myself to their church. They say that's what a real Christian would do, and if I'm not willing to do that I'm just a pretender. I'm willing to get caught sneaking around to be baptized, I just prefer to do it on a morning my husband is working without staying through the service, I have never been a good liar so I would tell on myself as soon as he gets home, but I cant defy my husband week after week for months and expect to keep my husband. He treats me very well and doesn't mind my faith as long as it doesn't affect him. He is very protective so I only drive for emergencies I am not permitted to leave the house for anything else since I tend to panic when alone outside. I dont even care if I'm sprinkled dipped or tossed in a river but i can not find a single church willing. Am I a pretender or are these people pharisees? I don't want to be baptized if I'm a pretender since I feel that would be disrespectful but I also dont see the point of being baptized by people of false faith. Jesus talks about the importance of being baptized of water but no one is willing. will I be able to go to heaven if I have only had a spiritual baptism?

Hi Brother Earl.

I believe you gave us a view of the trinity. Gen. 1:1.In the beginning "El-o-heem'" created the heaven and the earth.

Gen 1:2.And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the "SPIRIT OF GOD moved upon the face of the waters.

Gen 1:3. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Now I'm not sure if you're saying Jesus was created in verse 3 or not but we are sure it's not so according to these verses.

( ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; and without him was not any thing made that was made.)

In him was life; AND THE "LIFE WAS THE LIGHT OF MEN."

Colossians 1:16-17. For by him were all things created, that are in HEAVEN, and that are in earth, VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE, whether they be THROWNS, or DOMINIONS, or PRINCIPALITIES, or POWERS: (all things were created by him, and for him:)

And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

"Point here is we see Angels created here as well!!

And in Job 38:4-7. The Angels shouted for joy when Jesus created the Earth.

"Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

John 17:5. And now, O Father, glorify thou me WITH THINE OWN SELF with the glory which I had with thee BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.

Now we know he didn't come in the 4th Day!

Gen 1:16. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. THE SUN. "Also created!" You see a contrast of that light and the light of Jesus in

Revelation 21:23. and Revelation 22:5.

Revelation 3:14. Means in the sense Jesus is the origin and source of Gods creation. Colossians 1:15-18. and head of the new creation. 2 Corinthians 5:17.

God bles

Richard,

1 Corinthians 16:13 says, "Watch ye, stand fast in the faith, quit you like men, be strong."

That little phase "quit you like men" is literally one Greek word that means be a man. It's associated with courage!

If you remember what God told Joshua, in Joshua Chapter 1 Verses 8 through 11? He said "Be of courage Joshua for I am with you wherever you go." It's not a human courage. It's a spiritual trust that no matter what, we can face anything in life because Christ is there.

The previous comment concerned Malachi 4:5.

Brother Norman and others. Just wanted to share. This prophesy speaks of the arrival of John the Baptist, who was actually Elijah. Christ plainly states in Matthew 11:11-14 and reiterates in Matthew 17;10-13 that John the Baptist was Elijah. Notice the similarity in appearance. Elijah was distinguished as a "hairy man, and girt with a girdle of leather about his loins" ( 2 Kgs. 1:8). John the Baptist was not a hairy man; however, he had "his raiment of camel's hair and a leathern girdle about his loins" ( Matt. 3:3).

This was not reincarnation, for "it is appointed unto man once to die, but after this the judgment" ( Heb. 9:27). However, Elijah never died; his spirit was quickened to be returned seven hundred years later to introduce and baptize the Messiah.

May God bless!

MISHAEL

GOD did not create TIME in Genesis 1, or around 6.000 years ago, no, absolutely no.

What prevails is the Word of GOD, do you agree? The WORD is GOD.

Proverbs 8:v.22-23 and 30-31CJB, among others: (CJB-Complete Jewish Bible)

22 "Adonai made me as the beginning of his way,

the FIRST of His ancient works.

23 I was appointed before the world,

before the start, before the earth's beginnings.

30 I was with Him as someone He could trust.

For me, every DAY was pure delight,

as I played in His presence ALL THE TIME.

31 playing everywhere on His earth,

and delighting to be with humankind.

Many times before the GOD's Plan of retoration of all things, as was revealed to Moses, i.e. Genesis, there was a multitude in the Garden of Eden ruled by a Cherub, the son of morning, but today is the sosns of perdition, the man of sin. Isaiah 14:v.12 to 15 reveal:

12 "How did you come to fall from the heavens,

morning star, SON of the dawn?

How did you come to be cut to the GROUND,

conqueror of NATIONS?

13 You thought to yourself, 'I will scale the heavens,

I will raise my throne above God's stars. (God's stars? Read Daniel 3)

I will sit on the Mount of ASSEMBLY

far away in the NORTH. (In the NORTH? Psalm 48:v.2 CJB - (2) beautiful in its elevation, the joy of all the earth,

Mount Tziyon, in the far NORTH, the City of the Great King. See, the City of the Great King is in the NORTH)

14 I will rise past the tops of the clouds,

I will make myself like the Most High.'

15 "Instead you are brought down to Sh'ol,

to the uttermost depths of the pit.

GOD - the Word is GOD - has not begining , neither ending, GOD is from Eternity to Eternity, JESUS is the beginning and the ending, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

What does it mean to quit yourself like men?

Hi Chelsea,

I'm not aware of any requirements the Bible has for someone baptizing another. But it's my opinion, that the person should be a Christian and should already be baptized him or herself. The examples of people baptizing in the Bible were Christian leaders (disciples).

But I also don't believe all churches require membership to be baptized. In my decades of church involvement, I'm not aware of any church that required that. The churches would happily baptize anyone who wanted to be- it's something encouraged and celebrated, not discouraged. So, I believe that if you simply asked a few more churches that you would find a 'yes', unless you have certain demands or requirements yourself you have imposed on them, such as not doing it during a service, but privately. God bless!

I just located the scriptures that show that we won't be shuffling around aimlessly In heaven;

Beyond the time it takes for earth to be purified by fire.

We will have work to do. :D That's why we will help organize, angels work. I have not imagination to try and anticipate anything.

I also feel this deep urge to bow down and worship Jesus! Excited too, to see what He does next!!

Am I nuts or does anyone else find this an awesome prospect?

Right this moment on digs in Israel, they are finding answers, locations, relics of olden sacrifice implements. They found a copper scroll, that the letters were pressed in upon it. Jews are getting thrilled over the discoveries. The 1st copper scroll points to a 2nd one, in another location: supposedly which the Palestinians control. They have no claim against the Covenant of the Land, God made with Abraham. He clearly outlined the perimeters.

"Ishmael descendants", have no claim!!

They do have the same right to become children of God, through Jesus Christ.

PLEEAASSE pray for the Peace of Jerusalem every day. Jesus said it. We need to obey it.

When building on the 3rd Temple commences, all rejection, roadblocks, outcry from non-Jewish governments are going to swell up like a tsunami.

The Antichrist will briefly sit on the 3rd Temple Throne.

I did this very long tracing of history on ancestors sojourns. How one ancestor moved to Moab. Moab was an enemy of The covenant Jews; which persisted. It said they will agree to allow the Jews to flee to the mountains in Moab. For how long I don't know. The Antichrist will pursue them.

My excitement is that these archaeological digs going on now, are a huge leap in prophesy. You will see The Church explode in evangelism as this progresses.

Look at a map with Moab on it. It's not that far. It will be comparable to the Red Sea & Moses.

God is about to pour out the anointing oil of prophesy on those He trusts.

Joel 2:18-32

To Jackie according to scripture that is correct because His goal was and still is to be worshipped like the Most High God only to be defeated By our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ for us who choose to believe. Which is why in Corinthians He is called god of this world notice little g, something else the True God our father is owner but rulership was handed over by Adam and Eve Genesis downfall. That's why in the gospel of luke 4: 5+6 the devil said to Jesus Christ the kingdoms were given to him. The moment Adam and Eve disobeyed God they handed over that power and authority to satan, in contrast that power and authority for the believer was bought back by Jesus Christ Ephesians 1: 19+20. At least that's what I understand from what I've read.

OSEAS, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

I haven't spent a lot of time letting the Spirit teach me the things in Genesis that have to be SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED. I KNOW there are THERE because EVERYTHING LITERAL has a PARALLEL that has to be SPIRITUALLY discerned. I know part of them because you can see them quite clearly; as JESUS was the first created light.

I spend most of my study in the prophets and Revelation and their relation to the New Testament and how we become the the likeness and image of Christ; which also has to be spiritually discerned. How and when we will be the judges with Christ in the kingdom of God. None of this can be seen, but is as REAL as God himself.

Ecclesiastes 3:15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

1 Corinthians 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural, and afterwards that which is spiritual.

Hebrews 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the REMOVING of those things that can be SHAKEN, as of those things that are made, that those things which CANNOT BE SHAKEN shall remain.

I BELIEVE from reading you comments you understand that the literal has a parallel and that is what's REAL, the literal will DISAPPEAR.

When you have time, look at the story of Jacob (the literal) and the ladder to heaven, and replace Jacob with Jesus the REAL.

Genesis 28:10-22

John 1:51

I will study the seven days of creation in Genesis more; in the mean time; God willing, let us keep digging for the treasures of God's word (living and written), as the Spirit reveals them to us.

prayers for Barbara- she has a blood clot in each lung and a bad kidney problem

and a wonderful positive outlook on life -amen. God surely has her in His Hands

Thank you Dianne. I did read up on the Lamsa Bible (George Lamsa) & particularly on Matthew 27:46 & how he has interpreted it. I guess he has his own way of looking at the words & grammar, just as there are many variations of interpretations given by others (Westcott & Hort, etc). What was of interest & concern to me, was that he didn't connect Matthew 27:46 to Psalm 22:1, rather said "that the text of the Gospels was corrupt and that it is not a quotation but should read /Eli, Eli, lemana shabaqthani, which he translates as: "My God, my God, for this I was spared!" An accompanying footnote in Lamsa's English version of the Bible explains Jesus' meaning as "This was my destiny.""

If that being the case & he doesn't make the connection between the two portions of Scripture, then what else can one say? Thanks again for your input: I can now appreciate the basis of your understanding & interpretation, at least of these passages.

I was saved a few months ago. I am a stay at home mother with a husband who has no interest in church so I attend church every day on tv when he is not home. I want to be babtized but churches near me require I attend their church for months before they will baptize me. I honor my husband by keeping my faith to myself. His father lead me in my faith and was a Pentecostal preacher. He briefly lost his faith and stopped preaching but is now as faithful as ever. Can my father in law baptize me since no one else is willing to?

Oseas I thought this was a commentary web sight not where individuals give opinion and say that's the way it is, its your priviledge to that opinon or insight but to make it absolution is unique. That being said think about Phillippians 4:8 then reconsider, or not that is your priviledge but I don't see how that walking in the love of God. Just my observation, God Bless.

Genesis 1:2 Words in italic type have been ADDED for clarity. They are NOT found in the original Hebrew or Aramaic.

Genesis 1:5 Lit. And evening was, and morning was, a day, one.

Genesis 1:6 expanse

Genesis 1:16 luminaries

Genesis 1:20 souls

Genesis 1:20 expanse

Genesis 1:26 Syr. all the wild animals of

Genesis 1:28 moves about on

Genesis 1:30 a living soul

In Genesis 1:1 "In The" is not joined to the word Beginning.

This is the teaching I heard long ago.

The first thing God created, spoke, is:

Beginning

He created TIME for mankind. It would tick down to zero when He stands up___and the Age is closed out.



I missed the explanation because I was still reading it, as, In The_____

Gen ch1 V3 ,John ch17 v5 . Rev ch21 v22-24 and ch22 v5 . The light is everywhere .

EARL

Have you ever perceived that JESUS came in the fourth Day? By the way, JESUS left very clear saying in the fourth Day when He came: My Father worketh hitherto, and I work- John 5:v.17. Even JESUS is saying and calling Himself as the Greater Light in Genesis 1. When JESUS came in the fourth Day He said: John 12:v.45-46:

45 - He that seeth me seeth Him that sent me. 46 I am come a light into the WORLD, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.- This event of JESUS coming was the fulfillment of Genesis 1:v.18 :...and GOD divide the light from the darkness:and God saw that it was good.19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth Day.

The Lesser Light is about the Holy Spirit, the Comforter, he has not light in he himself, his light comes from the Father throught JESUS, the Greater Light (by analogy physicaly the moon receives and reflects the light of the sun), as JESUS said: John 16:7-15:

7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth;It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

...

12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me:for he shall receive of mine,and shall shew it unto you.

15 All things that the Father hath are mine:therefore said I, that he shall TAKE OF MINE,and shall shew it unto you.

Materialists confuse the biblical expression Greater Light and twist it when they say it is the Sun. Also they confuse the biblical expression Lesser Light and twist it when they say it is the Moon. Physically the Sun and the Moon have nothing to do with the biblical expression Greater Light and Lesser Light created in the fourth Day - Genesis 1:v.16, except for analogy.

About stars read Dan.12:v.3

Being a Jew, why Mordecai encourages Esther to marry a non Jew.

Then, he ask her not to reveal that she is a Jew. V( Esther 2:10)

Look up the llamsa Bible which on occasion is used as reference material and taken from the aramaic text and see how He translated it. To me bro these things I don't wrestle with because I'ved learned that this field of thought depends a lot on what people are taught and or who they choose to believe or follow. I'm just here to give another perspective.

Earl, a lightbulb went off. My old confused gerbil-wheel mind was taken out of the way on the Cross; I now have the Mind of Christ. The question of whether or not to evangelize, is not even in my jurisdiction. It is in His. What is to be done through me is now always BEING done by Christ in me. I can rest in Him and stand back and watch how He rolls. I loved all those scriptures which confirmed that for me, and so I feel a sense of peace. God Bless You!

Posting to Earl Bowman, A big Amen to your Post Bro. Earl God bless you.