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Hi Carleton,

Interesting idea but in all my reading of the word I have not come across anything like it. Since I believe the word of God is inerrant I hold to the view that the ministry of Jesus cannot be a slipshod job. When he overcame death on the cross his resurrection is a signal to the believers that Satan has no hold over you. Re.22 has this verse, "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still." He who preserves to the end shall be the overcomer."

Hello Bennymkje, For consideration. I believe Jesus wounded Satan unto death for a time, that men might believe and escape their own condemnation. As unbelief overcomes the world, that wound has healed and Satan's voice becomes more present in the remaining days.

Brothers in Christ

Greetings in Christ JESUS

Get ready Get ready Get ready

At midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him-Mat.25:verse 6.

The bridegroom tarried, all slumbered and slept-verse 5.

The bridegroom comes; and only they that are ready go in with Him to the marriage: and the door will be shut acccording verse 10.

Reemember that the disciples privately asked two important things to JESUS,saying:

1-What shall be the SIGN of thy coming?

2-and of the END of the world? (the current Devil's world)

Our Lord JESUS listed several signs that would happen previously before His coming as is written in Matthew 24:3-7,and He warned in the verse 8 saying that the signs listed were only the beginning of sorrows. Are you see that the SIGNS LISTED

of the coming of our Lord are LITERALLY be fulfilled? If not, wake up, yeah wake up and get up quickly.

Get ready. Get ready. Get ready.The Day of Vengeance arrived,the Day of the Lord.

Revelation 11:15to18

15-The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

18-And the NATIONS were (will be) angry, and GOD's WRATH is come, ... and should destroy them which destroy the earth.

Revelation 6:15-17

15 The kings of the earth,and the great men,and the rich men,and the chief captains,and the mighty men,and every bondman, and every free man,hid(will hide)themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks,Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him that sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17For the GREAT Day of His wrath is come;and who shall be able to stand?

The ANGEL of the Lord,John the Baptist,warned the Jews,saying:O generation of vipers,who has warned you to flee from the WRATH to come? Luke 3:7. He that believes on the Son has everlasting life: he that believes not the Son shall not see life;but the WRATH of GOD abides on him- John 3:31

Re.13:1 "The name of blasphemy" (2 of 2)

Apart from this we are also shown where the beast comes from; This is a key that should unlock the mystery of the beast in both cases. "The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is."(17:8) The beast is mentioned in another passage, as the one who kills the two witnesses sent from heaven. "The beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them."

Who is in control? "nd the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit./And he opened the bottomless pit."(9:1-2) God allows the world that has refused grace to be shown the difference between the beast whose spirit of pride is just the opposite the Son. Jesus Christ the same yesterday and forever. (He.13:8)

Instead ideologies that the beast wear is the name of blasphemy. It may carry the label of Papal infallibility or trickle down economy or any other. Truth couched with reason to suit the spirit of times is nothing short of blasphemy.

Re.13:1 "The name of blasphemy" (1 of 2)

The beast, "Having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy."

God made man a living soul meaning that the truth was set in his inwards. Like the penny in the Parable of the Laborers in the Vineyard he was set to work as a faithful laborer in the world. Holding truth in unrighteousness his fall created sin enter into the world. These four beasts that Daniel saw in a night vision is a birds eye of human civilization on the rise. The three ribs signified human institutions State and Religion growing from strength to strength which however dispensed with truth and necessity of obeying the will of God. The nations whose authority came from the dragon had a mix and match form of lion, leopard, bear as indicated in the v.1. The Spirit explains it 'the beast that thou sawest was, and is not, and yet is" the unclean spirit working through passage of time so kings, minister-presidents, caesars or sultans are all manifestation of the same, they hold truth in unrighteousness,

The little horn showed how state and religion could coexist and the beast now wearing a scarlet livery as mentioned in Ch.17:3 suggests papacy. Fall of Constantinople to the Turks gives us this line, "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed." Consider the following verses, "A scarlet colored beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns." The Spirit also supplies their significance, "The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth." (17:9) Obvious seven hills of Rome.

Apart from this we are also shown where the beast comes from; This is a key that should unlock the mystery of the beast in both cases.

please remember me and my family in your prayers please remember my daughter Jessica and her family

Glad to be back. Every blessing to you & yours, brother.

Amen, Thanks, and Welcome back Brother Chris!

God bless you.

Re.13:1-2 The Beast-2 (2 of 2)

In the light of the above the Spirit warns you to pay heed what is at risk here. "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." (v.8) Worshiping the State is at the peril of your soul.

The State signified by the rib appears here. The dragon's motive is not altruistic but thwart the Salvation Plan of God determined before the worlds began. His seat is the other rib representing Religion. For this purpose we have another beast "Coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon./And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast. " So we know where Christian nationalism tke their marching orders from. The divine healing and many wonders performed to draw the breath away are nothing new. Egyptian magicians performed miracles but could not compete with Moses. "Then the magicians said unto Pharaoh, Thisisthe finger of God: and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said."(Ex.8:19). In our times we have seen Serpent handling and divine healing the whole circus that smacks of crass 'filthy lucre'. The second beast had two horns like a lamb which is to deceive. Compare Luke 11:20. It is like 'reasonable faith' which is neither here nor there. Third rib is like reason which does not work in practice. Think of all Constitutions written but in practice are shown something else. Without truth what is free speech but license to let your tongue run away? The authority is drawn from the dragon.

The beast is the shape of things to come a composite edifice mix and match of the four beasts that Daniel saw.

Re.13:1-2 The beast-2 (1 of 2)

"And saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy./And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority."

Here we have a beast which is like unto a leopard but his feet of a bear tells sleekness of the big cat is not what it apparently presents. He had the mouth a lion which also is not entirely genuine. As in the night vision of Daniel, the beast is a catch-all of the four bests that took the breath of Daniel away. The bear in Daniel's vision had three ribs stuck between its teeth. The same now are in full display so one knew where these came from. He had power which was immense. "And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations." (13:7). When he said, "The State? I am the state" the world knew he meant it in dead earnest. The rib stuck in the mouth in a night vision has become all too real when he cracked his whip.

"If any man have an ear, let him hear." In v.9 we have the expression which evokes comparison with this verse, "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. (Re.2:7) The Spirit uses it at the end of message of seven churches signifying the eternal word of God. He that promised is faithful to do it. So he has this promise to the church of Ephesus. "To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God."It goes thus with every seven of them. The will of God concerning an overcomer is entered into the book of life, which shall never change.

Hi Jess L. If I might add a little to what others have shared with you, including those Scriptures for you to consider, I would include a very important chapter (John chapter 17), as Jesus' great & special prayer to His Father just prior to the events leading to His arrest & crucifixion.

The ministry of Jesus on Earth was now completed, only the final work of redemption lay before Him. But Jesus says something interesting to His Father: "Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee" (v1), and then further adds, "O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was" (v5). To glorify means 'to bestow honor; to magnify someone's worth'. When Jesus sought His Father's glory of Himself at this point, it was what remained before Him: the culmination of His Ministry to His disciples & others & the laying down of His Life for them. To many, Jesus' death meant failure, a riddance of a thorn in their flesh, an inability to accomplish what He had promised. But He knew that He did not come to meet the whims & fancies of men, but to bring sinners into the love & fold of God ( John 10:15,16). Men would hate & reject Him, but His Father's Plan for man's redemption would be fully accomplished & in this act of sacrifice & love, both the Father & Son would be glorified & Jesus' time of glorification had arrived - not by pomp & ceremony but by sacrificial Love.

But such love was nothing new, for God is the embodiment of Love, Mercy, Grace, & Truth. But when Jesus came to Earth, that Glory was hidden from men, that only God would be glorified in the Face of Jesus ( 2 Corinthians 4:6). But now the Glory of Jesus would also be seen by those who believe - and this Glory that was once hidden would be returned to Him - as He said, "with the glory which I had with thee before the world was". Jesus, God's Word, was within God's Person, for He 'came out from God & came forth from the Father' ( John 16:27,28).

Jess L on John 13

JESUS said for the Devil: Matthew 4:4 - Man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD that proceedeth out of the MOUTH of GOD.

Where is written "every Word that proceeded out of the MOUTH of GOD"?

Maatthew 11: 27 - ...no MAN knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any MAN the Father, save the Son, and he TO WHOMSOEVER the Son WILL REVEAL HIM.

1 John 5:19-20

19 And we know that we are of GOD, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

20 And we know that the Son of GOD is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know Him that is true, and we are in Him that is true, even in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true GOD, and eternal life.

John 3:3 and 5 and 17-21:

3 ... Except a man be born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of GOD.

5 ... Except a MAN be born of water(of the Word of GOD) and of the Spirit(the Word is Spirit), he cannot enter into the Kingdom of GOD.

17 For GOD sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on Him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of GOD.

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in GOD.

Jess L onJohn13

You asked:How is Jesus and God one,and Jesus was sent by God?

Now,didn't you(and all like you)still understand or interpret this mystery?Does not the Word testify that He is GOD?Yes,He does. The Word is GOD,self-executing or self-executable,understand?The Word is from everlasting to everlasting,the Word has not beginning,neither ending.As you and all know,JESUS is the beginning and the ending

For clarifying the great and deep MYSTERY of GOD sent JESUS,and both the Father and the Son be One,hope that you and all understand meditating in what the Word Himself said by/through His prophet Isaiah around year750BC- Isaiah 9:6-7:

6For unto us a child is born,unto us a Son is given:and the government shall be upon His shoulder:and His NAME shall be called Wonderful,Counsellor,The MIGHTY GOD(Mat.28:18 and Rev.1:8,among biblical references),The everlasting Father,The Prince of Peace

7Of the increase of His government( Revelation 11:15-18)and peace there shall be no end,upon the Throne of David,and upon His KINGDOM,to order it,and to ESTABLISH IT with Judgment and with Justice from henceforth even for ever.The ZEAL of the LORD of hosts will perform this

Then,having passed around 750years after the Word have said prophetically the message above through His servant Isaiah,by the way,Isaiah is one of the 24 elders,the Word LITERALLY fulfilled His wonderful promise to send His Son,exactly in the END of the 4th Day and beginning of the 5th Day,actually in the TURN from the 4th to the 5th millennium after Adam,or 2000 years ago.THEN the Word was MADE FLESH,as said John Apostle- John 1:14-,and dwelt among us,(and we beheld His glory,the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,)-JESUS WAS BORN-full of grace and truth

Heb.1:1-3->1GOD,who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,2-Has in these last days spoken unto us by His Son...3 Who being the brightness of His glory,the EXPRESS IMAGE OF THE PERSON OF GOD...

The little horn was the rise of the papacy out of the collapse of The Roman Empire, creating terrible persecution on God's people. In 538 A.D. emperor Justinian handed an army to vatican control. It continued on for 1,260 years, until 1798 when the pope was taken back to France and died in exile. Will become a persecuting power again as Revelation makes clear.

I would recommend reading Romans 14:5. If you feel "convicted" go with your convictions.

Astrology was/ is a big part of that also.

Amen brother Spencer and GiGi.

Thank you.

God Bless.

Hi Jess L,

This is a difficult subject to discuss openly. Being one is to be united in the holy love of God. The way we can do this is to become one with His Son, Jesus Christ the only way to the Father, John 14:6. When a man and woman are married, they become one as we through faith become one in Jesus. When Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist Jesus was filled without measure with the Holy Ghost/Spirit, God's Spirit, John 3:34.

God was manifested in Jesus, John 14:10 1 Tim. 3:10. Jesus was the Tabernacle of God, John 10:38. Jesus and the Father are one John 10:30 and Jesus told us we can be one as He and the Father are one, John 17:20-23. Jesus did nothing on His own, only the will of the Father, Jesus was obedient to the Father, Rom. 5:19 and as you said, Jesus was sent by the Father, John 5:30. The doctrine Jesus laid out was not His doctrine but His who sent Him, the Father, John 7:16.



All things are delivered unto Jesus of the Father, Matt. 11:27 and all in heaven and earth is under Jesus's feet, 1 Cor. 15:27 and will be until the last enemy is under His feet, that is death, Rev. 20:14. Jesus said the Father was greater than Him, John 14:28. Scripture says Jesus has a God, 2 Cor. 11:3 1 Eph. 1:3 Eph. 1:17 Col 1:3 Jesus said He had a God John 20:17.

In the garden, Jesus prayed to the Father that the cup He was about to partake could pass if there was another way, but said not His will but the Father's will, Matt. 26:39. All the introductions, greetings, and blessings in the Scriptures in the New Testament that are given to the followers of Christ and called to be saints from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, two not three.

Rom. 1:7-8 1 Cor. 1:3-4 1 John 1:3 2 John 1:3 2 Cor. 1:2-3 Gal. 1:3-4 Eph. 1:2-3 Phil. 1:2 Col. 1:2-3 2 Thess.1:2 1 Tim.1:2 2 Tim.1:2 Titus 1:4 Philemon 1:3 2 Pet. 1:2.



You must study the Scriptures letting the Holy Spirit the Spirit of God guide you to your understanding, not from my reply, or man.

God bless,

RLW

I am new to studying/learning the Bible . I am doing a study on pagan holidays , so I can tell my family that I will no longer participate in Halloween, pumpkin carving , giving out candy ,

No longer decorating for Christmas or buying Christmas gifts,

No Easter gifts to my grandchildren , which sometimes I did .

Any suggestions would be appreciated on these topics of concern

I need to be gentle loving but wise !

Thankyou

Thankyou Gigi for that wonderful answer

Hi Jess L.

I concur with Gigi.

Jesus was temporarily "made lower than the angels" Hebrews 2:9.

which refers to Jesus' status. The second Person of the Trinity took on human flesh.

Jesus was fully human and "made lower than the angels." However, Jesus is fully divine, too.

I've heard it put like this, By taking on human nature, Jesus did not relinquish His divine nature-God cannot stop being God.

Philippians 2:6-8. reads as follows.

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Jesus voluntarily relinquished this while on earth. He put himself under the will of the Father, "that is his role".

Therefore, the fact that the Son took on a human nature and made Himself subservient to the Father in no way denies the deity of the Son, nor does it diminish His essential equality with the Father. The "greatness" spoken of in this verse, then, relates to role, not to essence.

God bless

Jess L.

PT. 2

To wrap up. In John 15:26, Jesus says, "But when the Comforter (the Holy Spirit) is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of Truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."

Here we see how the "offices" of the Godhead work in unity, Jesus ask of the Father, to send the Holy Spirit to be given unto His disciples, and the Father wills to do this, the Spirit, who proceeds from the Father, is not independent of the Godhead) has the office of testifying of and about Jesus. Jesus and the Holy Spirit are given to us by the Father. The Father is the one who send both, Jesus asks of the Father and also send the Spirit in union with the Father. Jesus has the office of Mediator, one who goes between man and the Father, so in sending the Holy Spirit, he mediates this sending from the Father of the Spirit, and the Spirit completes the will of the Father by testifying of Jesus. All of the Godhead wills that the Spirit will come and dwell within believers and when the Spirit does this, all persons of the Godhead indwell a believer. It is all, really, one act of God carried out by all three persons.

I hope that this is helpful. It is important to distinguish between the Essence of God, His Divine Being, and the distinction of the Persons of this one Divine Being. Then we can understand how Jesus can be one with the Father and also for the Father to be greater than Jesus.

Dear Jess L.

That is a very good question.

Many would say that that God's Essence, (divine nature) is the same for the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. There is only one Divine Essence and only those in the Godhead possess it to its fullest perfection and eternal existence. The Godhead is a union of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

John 13:20 says: Verily, Verily, I say unto you, he that receiveth whomever (the Holy Spirit) I send receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveith him who sent me (the Father). Here Jesus speaks of three persons who are received by us and indwell us together as one God, not three.

John 14:10 says " Believeth thou not that I am in the Father and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself, but my Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the work." Jesus is saying the when He speaks the Father is speaking in and through Him.

And in John 14:23 Jesus says: " If a man love me, he will keep my words; and my Father will love him, and we will come and make our abode in him." Here, after promising to send the Holy Spirit vs. 16 and that the Spirit will dwell in us, says that when the Spirit is abiding in us, so is the Father and the Son. So here is a prime example of three distinct persons living in us as a unity.

But it is in the relationship between the persons of the Godhead that there is a hierarchy. The Father is head of the Son and Spirit. He is in authority over the Son and Spirit, and the Spirit is subject to the Father and the Son. The Son is in submission to the Father. In this way, relationally, the Father is greater than the Son.

Also, in terms of "offices" the authority of the Father is over that of the Son. Jesus will turn over to the Father all power and authority when all of God's enemies are put under Christ's feet, as promised by the Father and recorded as prophecy in Scriptures. Jesus said in John 10:8 that He only speaks what the Father speaks through Him.

continued in pt. 2

Momsage

You are doing a great job of showing the corrupt versions.

Yes as we both know the Holy Ghost doesn't make mistakes!

God Bless you for defending the True Words of God!

SLLockhart

You are very much welcome! Its good to have true believers in the True Word of God on this site!

Many here see the KJB as just another translation, sadly.

God Bless you!

Hello McLeansu

Just did a search on this phrase and it seems that it associates with interpreting omen, such as natural phenomena, or weather, or seasonal changes to observe with rituals. Also, one who searches for information about the future through various forms of witchcraft, (spells, tarot cards, crystal ball readings, etc.) It can also refer to observances associated with pagan holidays that happen at specific time in the calendar year.

Hope this helps.

Dear RicoUS

I'm with you in your prayers for your family and for others. May God deliver people from harm's who cling to Him way in Gaza and Lebanon and Israel. May hearts e turned back to Him in those who have gone the way of the prodigal and may those who have lived without much thought of Him seek Him. Amen.

Re.13:1 "The Beast" -overview (2 of 2)

From St John's standpoint the risen Jesus Christ is yet 'to make all things new.' In short what Dan 7:14 indicated was the will of God the Father in pluperfect tense.

The Spirit accordingly ends the Book of Daniel reminding of the Abrahamic promise in this verse, "And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament;" (Dan.12:3). Daniel was assured,"But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days."(12:13) His body and soul were in His safekeeping.

Re.13:1 "The Beast" -overview (1 of 2)

"And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy."

St John's vision is from standing upon sand of the sea which we shall first take up while what we discussed from Daniel was in setting out the events from the Abrahamic promise, where God assured the patriarch, "And said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. " (Ge.15:5) So he sees God setting about to stir world events about from heaven. What of the Apostle? He has positioned himself with regards to the promise of "And as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable." God's promise to Abraham is one where the stars signify the great congregation that has been called in his Son before the foundation of the world. While John in the midst of a wave of persecution under Domitian looks at the world of the body. If his earthly tabernacle are to be dissolved "We have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens./For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven." (2 Co.5:1-2) In order to understand the beast we need first define the spiritual context of the little horn (Dan.7:8) as "a beast rising up out of the sea." (Significant is how the everlasting dominion granted to the one like unto the Son of man (Dan.7:14) is morphed into a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes," in the vision of St.John.) The Spirit is ever consistent while describing the eternal will of the Father and the manner he shall prevail upon all the might of Satan and his spiritual dominion in accordance to the everlasting covenant.) From St John's standpoint the risen Jesus Christ is yet 'to make all things new.' In short what Dan 7:14 indicated was the will of God the Father.

Asking for strong protection and breakthrough for us and all in need. Lord Jesus please fight our battles ( Ex. 14:14). Please grant more strength and encouragement and please have your hand on Ukraine and Israel and surrounding. Save many still. Thank you Lord Jesus.