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Coming down the mountainside, I hear the avalanche close behind, I am comforted with the hope that He will lead the way. Others watch in dismay wondering how these things can be? How this one comes down with so much ease! The power of the Holy spirit, it once guides and protects! Yet, they see but do not believe!

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

TO: Lorraine Magarian on Daniel 12

The thief on the cross was still under the old law, Jesus had not died and come back from the grave yet. This is the first example people will pull out of The Word of God to explain why a person doesn't have to be baptized, but it is wrong. John 3:5 ( Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.) I am a simple minded Hillbilly preacher, I don't claim to know much, but I do know this; No matter what men or women say, God's Word will not change. Praying for you.

please keep myself and my daughters Deanna and Jessica and there families in your prayers

Honestly Norman ,i dont know ,but i know some one who does ! I dont worry about this sort of thing any more ,is there life on other planets ? I dont know and i dont loose sleep over it ,you and i know that God knows every thing , from everlasting to everlasting He Knows . Thats good enough for me and im sure it is for you also Normam ,love in Christ . P.S. I bet lots of people on here think they know and will tell you all about it soon ,you wont hear the same answer twice .

We in the church are hurt and disappointed when one of God children whom we have had Godly fellowship with is caught publicly in open sin. It is hard for us to forgive them but we must in order to keep Satan from getting the foot hold in the church.

Norman you are a star , people love to make things harder , then they can say that theyve discovered something no one else has ,this inflates their ego , as paul said about the athenians and greeks in general at that time ,they want to hear some new thing ,if their ears are not attuned to the True Word they will make something up in order to impress others , all we can do is try to help out the genuine babes as they are taking their first steps ,the one who think they know it all dont take any notice of what any one else says , Jesus is calling sinners to repentance , those who are righteous dont need our help . Yes , im being ironic .

Eric ,have you not thought that the pharo might have had an older brother ? Maybe his older brother had already died ? That would mean that he was not the 1st born male of his house and thats why he didnt die at that time .

Thanks to God, the Father, the son and holy Spirit Amen. I am delighted in knowing more about God and also to be a tool in his vanyard but it seems the devil wouldn't allow me , I think I need help from the holy Spirit thanks.

Joy,with the greatest respect Jesus is revealing how we are to respond to his gospel in verse 46.Baptism has to be performed in Christ's name,which is Jesus.Salvation is found in no other.(Act4;12).Peter obeyed this commandment on the day of Pentecost in Acts2;38.Only a Jesus baptism can remit our sins.

OSEAS,

You can spin this any way you like, but the two witnesses are the 144K sealed saints from the whole house of Israel.

This is the very reason I stopped discussing the Bible end-times with anyone. It turns into confusion of tongues, where each man has his prideful version of the dream, backed by vague scripture. Someone stuck in his ways, so as not to hear when it knocks, loses, he doubly loses professing the wrong doctrine. I've learned a few great things here because I listened to the Word, and realized that the word I had was faulty.

Hi Gaudencio. What you wrote, "We believed GOD is all knowing with infinite knowledge", is indeed the very Truth that all of life on Earth is hinged upon. Since He knows the beginning from the end, with Whom there is no beginning nor end, then He must see all of His creation (including mankind & his behaviour) in that complete perspective. So what we maybe ignorant of by asking, 'why did God allow this or that, or couldn't He have prevented something from happening', is immaterial when one already sees the complete picture. We could never see it, but God has & planned for it.

If God then created mankind to enjoy His Presence & live in a sin-free condition (as in Genesis chapters 1 & 2), it should be normal to expect God to engineer man's affairs in such a way to bring about the same sin-free, God-glorifying state which man had lost at the first (as in Revelation chapters 21 & 22). The fact that we sinned was not a surprise to God - just as the institution of the sacrificial system & finally sending His ultimate Sacrifice for mankind, was no sudden last-minute decision. God knows, that if His Love is so great & is unfathomable by us, then it has never been in His Mind to annihilate us, but to preserve us to an holy, eternal life in His Presence. What we lost to the Devil, we have now gained in Christ Jesus.

Yet, the mystery of the Gospel still has to go out, that lost, erring souls might be saved & be made new by God's Spirit. For if they still reject God's Provision & spurn His Love to be restored to a perfect state (fully at that last day), then only God's judgement & rejection awaits them ( Revelation 20:15). So why were Adam & Eve tested? That they might know that after they had disobeyed God, that there is still a God of Love in Heaven Who has the capacity to continue to love & provide for them. And that Love, as all love, requires a response to be made complete.

Just a reminder to everyone to think twice before getting an unapproved, experimental injection. Thousands of died from it, falsely assuming they were 'protecting themselves' from getting sick. See for yourself in VAERS database and prepare to be horrified.

Unfortunately the irony is a horrific avoidable tragedy that politicians and bullies are practically forcing on people. Imagine a virus with a 99.99% survival rate that is so dangerous that they have to inflate the numbers and give out free donuts, raffle tickets and other silly prizes in order to get someone to risk death from the injection. Not even lab rats have had this and people will have long term effects. One doctor believes everyone who gets the experimental jab will die within 12 months. This is very frightening how people are pushing others into death. Abortion is evil enough, but now they are pushing healthy adults into death. This is so wrong and evil. People have lied to you.

Greetings, Robert Necomb

No, Robert, the 144K are not the two witnesses, absolutely, and they will not "be killed in the

great tribulation", as you said. The 144K will be sealed in their foreheads as the servants of

our God from now on- Revelation 7:v.1-4. These are the remnant of Israel that will be saved

-Is.10:v.20-22. These will be redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and

to the Lamb, for they are without fault before the throne of God.

You quoted Jeremiah 11:v.16 that refers to "A green olive tree"

and discerned not in the same verse that its branches were broken. Why? Verse 17 explains

the why: -The Lord of hosts, that planted thee, pronounced evil against thee, for the evil of

the house of Israel and of the house of Judah, which they have done against themselves to

provoke me to anger in offering incense unto Baal.

You quoted Zachariah 4:11- Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive

trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?

Didn't you see? In the time of Zechariah there was only and only one candlestick, and two olive

trees, (one candlestick has nothing to do with Israel and Judah, now in the current time there

are two candlesticks, and refers to two aproved Churches of the Lord-one Gentile and one Jewish,

and the two OLIVE TREES are a source of Oil for the two candlesticks standing before the God of

the earth. Revelation 11:v.4.

We can say the two Olive Trees gave rise to the Old Testament-the Torah-and to the New Testament.

The Bible is a product originating from two Olive Trees written in two parts, in two different periods,

God uses the OLD and NEW TESTAMENTS as His powerful witnesses within the two candlesticks.

Remember: The WORD is GOD. Yeah, the Word is GOD.

Thank you Earl for your patience with me. I would really appreciate it, if you will tell me how to be saved according to your look at the Scripture.

I look forward to our further discussion through this forum.

Have a good evening. May the Lord bless you and your family.

Mr. T,

This is a poison in Christianity learning unsound doctrine. Somebody told you what God can do for Christians like salvation is a giveaway. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Who ever says that this particular Jesus' coming ( Joel 2) is a good thing, doesn't know what's coming.

God uses our enemies to fulfill prophesy. Jesus comes like a thief to lay the land desolate (house of Israel). Jesus thief invades Israel (house of Judah) and takes them captive. In the same day, the same hour. This is called the day of the Lord, when tribulation turns to great tribulation.

While it is comforting to think Jesus will come to save His "church" from His visitation, however, that doesn't match the time table, order of scripture and resurrections. It doesn't fit. Why do some think their sins are so good, fully absolved, that God will magically take them because Christians are now impervious to death? Study this area as best you can and come to your own conclusion.

Greetings in Christ JESUS, Terrill

Jude 1:v. 6-7 reveals that: 6 "the angels which kept not their first estate (the nature of angels), but left

their own habitation (but rebelled), ... 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like

manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example,

suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Regarding to the angels, GOD hath reserved them in everlasting chains under darkness unto the Judgment

of this Great Day - the Lord's Day, that is the seventh and last Day, or seventh and last millennium, the

Millennium of Christ.

Now, in the time of restoration of all things- Acts 3:v.18 to26-the process will be inverse, from the human

or animal nature to the nature of angels, as JESUS said- Luke 20:v.35-36:

35 But they which shall be accounted WORTHY to obtain that world (the next world-the Kingdom of GOD-

Revelation 11:v.15-18), and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

36 Neither can they die any more: for they are EQUAL unto the ANGELS; and are the children of God,

being the children of the resurrection.

Philippians 3:v.20-21 -

20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body, according to the

working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

1 Corinthians 15:v.53-54

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality,

then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Mishael,

"When Jesus returns, all believers in caskets will come open, meet Jesus in the clouds and receive their glorified bodies."

That is literally 25 billion Christians resurrected to everlasting life, which is impossible. The number is a much smaller remnant. The elect.

How do you know the scriptures aren't holding back information, conflating the resurrections? God is not going to give us the keys without effort, you have to prove what you believe. People are dead set on Moses and Elijah being the two witnesses, but try and talk them out of it. Revelation is a esoterical book where you'll find the first verse is the last verse and the last verse is the first verse. I have yet to hear a sound explanation for the mass exodus you describe, as that's not the order. I used to think the same way until I applied reasoned distinctions.

This first "rising", at the last trumpet, is designated for the sealed saints, after the great tribulation. I don't trust that all 144K die in the street; those of them found alive will be taken up (1 Thessalonian 4:17). The firstfruits are the resurrected saints of Revelation 14:4, in heaven. They are the same as those sealed in Revelation 7, and protected in 12. The rest of the dead slept for the thousand years. A day is a thousand years to God.

The rest of the dead at the second resurrection will awake as usual, not knowing 1,000 years have passed.

I actually enjoy what the Bible says about that time; over Hollywood's depiction.

When I watched the passion of the Christ. I had to pray. I knew Jesus was whipped with cruel weapons, and boxed, had really long thorns driven into his skull. The stripped his clothing off. The blood on his back would've been congealed on the fabric.

Mel Gibsons, The Passion of the Christ, is beyond most humans comprehension of unbridled violence. Someone once said that the crowd that screamed for Jesus to be crucified, had become a Demon.

The Bible says Satan was a created archangel. 4th in line to Gods Throne, because he was a covering cherub. Lower angels were called, sons of God (little "s") All satan was intent on was killing the Son of God. That war is shown in the book of Revelation.

So..that movie shows how strong Jesus is. HE IS THE SON OF GOD. There could be no other outcome: victory complete. Satan thought he could beat and kill Jesus. Genesis 3:15 should've alerted Satan that he would lose the war. What do you think? Pride blinded Satan back in Genesis.

He will lose. He's going to inflate the Antichrist with so much poison, that millions of people will be murdered. We do need to pray daily for the Peace of Jerusalem; as Jesus requested. They are going to endure 3 1/2 years of inhuman treatment. Some people are going survive to the end of the Tribulation.

I pray that our praise of Jesus would rise above what "we usually do". We have to understand that Satan (ex-archangel in charge of praise and worship) DOES NOT WANT US TO PRAISE JESUS.

That's why politicians in the Nations capital are so dead set on making it illegal to sing inside of Church. Legislate that Churches cannot be too big. Want the Christians to wear masks anyway because of the air we expel.

What about the VENOM they expel? We need to take a look at our Congress through new eyes.

Truly we are seeing the final moments of mankind as we knew it; and the emergence of evil.

What I know is that GOD is from Eternity to Eternity, He has not beginning, neither ending. JESUS is the

beginning, and the ending. In fact, there was an Eternity in the heavenly environment of Eden, countless

millenniums, it could have been billions of years, where inhabited a multitude of angels ruled by a Cherub.

We know that there was a rebellion in the garden of God, the garden of Eden, and after the rebellion there

was a great changing in the primitive nature, a transformation in the nature of all things here on Earth.

After the rebellion the time did run away, and God planned to do a RESTORATION of all things, whose things

God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began as it is revealed in Acts 3:v.21.

There was a gap of around 500 years, a half of millennium, time between the fall of angels to the beginning

of God's work according Genesis 1-the first Day-, at the evening and the morning were the first Day.



As we know, God planned to work seven days to reestitution of all things in six Days and to rest in the seventh

Day, but one Day with the Lord is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one Day. Now let us see, JESUS

came in the fourth Day or around year 4.000, or in the TURN from the fourth to the fifth Day of God's works

-the Word is God. JESUS said: My Father worketh hitherto (fourth Day or year 4.000), and I work- John 5:v.17.

An interesting detail is that God revealed Genesis unto Moses, i.e. His plan of restoration of all things after

two Days and half of work, it was about 2.500 years. Although the Devil has usurped God's creation since Eden,

God still provided a seed for Himself according to His Plan of Restoration of all things. Cain had killed Abel,

so God gave birth to Seth and from this seed a parallel generation was formed- Genesis 5:v.1-32,Check it out-

face to face to the rebels of Eden, these were completely corrupted in a millennium of rebellious-Gen.6:v.1-12, God

sent the Flood.

Hello, this is a common question, but I think includes a false assumption.

It sounds like the question is if God is all knowing He should already know all outcomes and what's the point of everything, like life and our 'choices'?

I think what is wrong with this question is we assume God is a certain way and if it doesn't comform to our narrow understanding then we think something must be wrong.

Here's another way to look at the question: If God is all powerful, doesn't He have the power to let us have choices? If God is all powerful, can't He choose to let things unfold on our timeline and to not need to see into the future for all outcomes?

The Bible gives examples of God changing His mind. It's in the Bible, so either we believe the Bible or not, right?

Exodus 32:14

Jonah 3:10

Genesis 6:6

I've also heard people say things like: if God is all powerful, can't He choose to limit Himself? And if He can, then He's not all powerful, and if he can't, then He's not all powerful. I seriously heard an atheist say this claiming it 'disproves' God, but it's just another human logical fallacy. God is God and He is not confined or limited by our silly little logical shortcomings. We are the ones limited in understanding. 1 Corinthians 1:25

There are scriptures in Genesis that explain SOME (not all) about the pre-Adamic world.

A word of caution: there are Cults that teach something called Old Earth Theory. It was used to explain archeology, geology, space exploration, ancient religions, dinosaurs, really old human bones.

Although some of these things are alluded to; does not mean a separate book was included in the Bible, or Canonized. God did not Authorize "old earth theory". There is the danger of heresy. Avoid that.

The entire Bible IS ABOUT JESUS Christ. He's practically on every page. If you miss that reality, then you can be drawn away by the Lust for self-importance. (Pride). Ego and arrogance.

The way to deep study the Bible is to get a Study Bible with a CENTER OF EACH PAGE COLUMN. The abc's imbedded in a scripture correspond to a letter in the Center column. You have to stop where you are and go read all of those notes. Those notes will lead you to even more expanded teaching. make notebooks full of notes: how you got from "here", to "there", and everything in between. Genesis jumps forward and backs up. Easy to miss.

I think, given this TIME in history [His-Story], we should concentrate on the prophesy of Daniel 12:5-13.

WE are the generation that will know what that Chapter has hidden for a very long time. They're coming unsealed. Life and goings on, all over this planet are being unsealed.

Don't get distracted now. Who stands to benefit with us being distracted and led away on fake mystery hunts? Satan.

Be relevant to the signs of the Times. Matthew 24:34, Matthew 25:35

How good are you at reading signs?

Type SIGNS in the Search Box and prepare to be amazed!

Lastly, science and theories will not secure Salvation, nor will you get to meet the Creator.

There was stuff here. Then God CREATED TIME. Genesis 1:1. Only THEN, time started ticking. Scientists can estimate age; but not time.

Mishael

OSEAS,

Let's use the Bible to define who the witnesses are by association. Their mission is to record antichrists exploits; Jesus said 2 are needed to bare witness. These 2 are the sealed 12 tribes from Israel and Judah. The witnesses are in Revelation 5, 7, 11, 12, 14 & more.

Who are the candlesticks and olive trees?

( Jeremiah 11:16)

The LORD called thy name, A green olive tree, fair, and of goodly fruit: with the noise of a great tumult he hath kindled fire upon it, and the branches of it are broken.

(Zachariah 4:11-14)

11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?

14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.

The OT saints were given white robes and told to wait a "little season" (5th seal through 7th trumpet) when their fellowservants (144K) are killed in the great tribulation.

( Revelation 6:9-11)

9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And WHITE ROBES were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their FELLOWSERVANTS also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

( Revelation 7:13-14)

13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in WHITE ROBES? and whence came they?

14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

The 144K sealed are the two witnesses from each house.

So the Pharaoh also died?? Just want to clarify that cos in the Movie Ten Commandments the Pharaoh live.

When Jesus returns, all believers in caskets will come open, meet Jesus in the clouds and receive their glorified bodies.

Christians deceased some other way; Jesus will still receive the ashes or bones and they will receive their glorified bodies.

The still Living Christians will then be caught up to the clouds to be with the entire group. Instantly changed to their glorified bodies.

Those who did not receive Jesus as Lord, before death, will stay in the grave. Their souls will be held somewhere until the Great White Throne Judgment by God. A 1000 year wait.

There will be a group of living people that manage to survive the Tribulation without being killed by Antichrist; WHO PRAYED to be saved (born again), who will not receive glorified bodies, but Jesus will take them to heaven to wait 1000 years for when Satan will be released a short period to be tempt just that group of people and their offspring.

Please tell me why you are willing to throw the dice with your eternal soul?

I realize there are not many ministry programs on antenna or cable, but there's enough to hear the gospel and pray the prayer of faith.

Some of the good benefits of Salvation is that we have favor to ask God to Deliver Us From Evil...addictions, alcohol, sinful sexual lifestyles and more.

There's not a lot of time to debate, waffle, and push it to the limit. NOW is the Day of Salvation.

The real bad thing is this:

EVERY TIME you hear or read the Gospel (story of Jesus), YOUR HEART HARDENS. Soon it's solid and you can't hear His Voice Calling to Your Soul. Tugging on your heart strings.

Go find that Link, BECOME A CHRISTIAN. Verify what I said.

Walmart's are everywhere! Most have inexpensive King James Bibles. This website has a King James Bible, and all the Apocrypha Books.

Pray this often: "By the Authority in the name of Jesus; I command that the Spirit of Bondage be broken and cast into dry places in outer darkness! DO NOT RETURN. Hallelujah!

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven( Job 38:4-7 4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. 5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? 6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?) and the earth. ( Isaiah 14:12-14 12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.) What I put in parentheses are the the other scriptures that show angles were made before the earth, since they are witness of the creation of the earth. Also I put in scripture were Lucifer first decide to rebel against God which would be after the creation of the earth before the flood of the universe which is why the Spirt of God is hovering over the waters. It was due to judgment against Lucifer and his fallen angels and creation at the time. Now angles cant die by the flood waters they are sprit but what ever was on the earth during that time could die which is were you can find your dinosaurs living during Lucifer rein over the earth. Also its the reason why God said in Genesis 9:11-15 And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth. Their was a flood before Noah's flood its the reason why good use the pervious waters already left over from the pervious flood. When ever waters is mentioned in Genesis it refers to the waters in Genesis 1:2.

Can you send the bible book of 2 corinthins 8-9

Hi Norman,

I remember a few years ago archeologists discovered a Dinosaur bone in Israel, They said it was millions of years old determined by the settlement around the bones, Later they found a gold coins with a Pharoah subscription on it in the escavated area that they said dated back about 7000 years. HMMM.

God bless.

Hebrews 13:2

Amen Brother Jesse,

James 2:10 Also came to mind.