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Have you ever stopped to think that YOU murdered CHRIST; not only you, but everyone born in a body of flesh.
If God does not save MURDERERS then we are all LOST.
1 John 3:15 Whosoever hates his brother is a MURDERER: and you know that no murderer has eternal life (Christ) abiding in him.
Revelation 21:8 But the FEARFUL, and UNBELIEVING,.... MURDERERS...ALL LIARS... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone....
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Not ALL that respond to your comments understand;YET, that ALL is OF GOD.
GOD always uses man to bring about HIS JUDGEMENTS. History making; of trivial, ALL IS OF GOD.
Pharoah, The king of Assyria, Hitler and ALL others through history.
Paul said he KILLED CHRIST CHURCH through ignorance. All of us begin in ignorance not knowing the works of God.
Praise God for the works of Christ; who knows what's necessary to conform us into him.
Most of us will face this, Death. Do we sleep in the earth until the resurrection, or go to heaven to be with the Lord? Regardless of which belief, there is no knowledge, no love, no hate, no work, no thoughts, no wisdom, or time in death. Some scriptures can be used to support both beliefs but it is for you to decide in your heart. Can we say either belief is wrong?
When the gospel of Christ was given to the Gentiles, the countries around were highly influenced by Greek Philosophy and beliefs like what happens when we die, mythical stories of death, paradise, hades, underworlds on more were widely spread by the people who were Greek and they stuck. I know some will disagree but that's ok we are not talking about things that cannot be debated that, like the only hope we have for salvation and eternal life is the life, death, and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ.
I hope this is not offensive or confusing. I thought instead of answering I would do something different, just ask a few questions I had and wrote down, when I studied this a while back, may they help you decide for your conscience.
I believe our body is just the dwelling place of our soul, and our spirit (breath) given to us by God is what keeps us alive. ( Ecclesiastes 12:7) ( Psalm 104:29) ( Psalm 146:4) ( James 2:26)
If we say our soul (we/us) is immortal and we are appointed once to die, what dies?
What is resurrected if our soul is already in heaven?
We are sealed (earnest, the down payment) by the Holy Spirit until when?
When are we redeemed?
Is our soul or our body the flesh that is corruptible and must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality?
When will we be absent from this body, is it when we die, or when we are resurrected?
When we meet Jesus in the air does scripture tell us where we go after we meet?
Again, I hope this is taken in love and not confusing, and may we be led by the Holy Spirit of truth.
RLW
They were wondering how we can say that God is all-loving, merciful, and gracious, but can still let bad things happen to His people.
I would refer you to Genesis Ch 37.
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GOD BLESS
James 4:2-3 - Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. (Read More...)
James 3:14 - But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
Proverbs 14:30 - A sound heart is the life of the flesh: but envy the rottenness of the bones.
1 Corinthians 10:13 - There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
Galatians 5:19-21 - Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, (Read More...)
Proverbs 27:4 - Wrath is cruel, and anger is outrageous; but who is able to stand before envy?
James 3:14-15 - But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. (Read More...)
1 Corinthians 3:3 - For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
Romans 12:21 - Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
1 Corinthians 13:1-8 - Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. (Read More...)
Proverbs 10:12 - Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love covereth all sins.
1 John 4:8 - He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
Psalms 25:4-5 - Shew me thy ways, O LORD; teach me thy paths. (Read More...)
Exodus 20:17 - Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
Galatians 5:22 - But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy,
There's over 6000 verses. :)
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Purgatory
That word is not in the King James Bible.
You can find it defined only through google. Why? Because it's not a Bible teaching. It is a name of a place the Roman Catholic Church teaches. A teaching of men; not God or Jesus.
The Bible says the born again Christian receives the Holy Spirit upon the moment of salvation. HE is your Teacher.
Use the search box to search out words such as: hell, hades, Abraham's bosom, lake of fire, Sheol, Tartarus, Abyss, gulf, place of torment
By the time you read through all those, you'll be an expert.
Jesus was in Paradise after he died on the Cross and was in the tomb. He walked out, went into Satans prison, took the keys away from him, preached to the prisoners, and led captivity captive. He set them free.
He has a key for everyone born of man.
There are 2 judgements to come:
For Christians: the Bema Seat of Christ. For rewards or not.
The Great White Throne Judgment: at the very end. God will preside over that one. Over unbelievers who did not choose Jesus as their Savior.
I must say you are wrong to justify these murders because they had God's favor. David was the bigger criminal for premeditating a murder so he could have the dead mans wife for himself. Making excuses for these criminals is a crime in itself; it's is the epitome of Biblical hypocrisy. Whenever I think of Moses and David, I think of two murders that circumvented the law. Their barbaric and shameful actions spoil my perception of them profoundly.
There are many killers who feel remorse, they still killed, but that's not what I asked.
Did Moses pay for his sin of murder, or did God sweep it away? Did it factor in with his unbelief, keeping him from entering the promised land?
To many people have been taught something different than the good news of the GOSPEL.
The GOSPEL is CHRIST IN YOU.
The word says we are all dead; walking around believing we are alive and we determine our destiny by what we do and the choices we make.
The TRUTH IS; we can do nothing in and of ourselves: Christ determines our destiny by WHAT HE DOES FOR US.
John 3:27 Jesus answered and said, a man can receive nothing, except it be GIVEN him from heaven.
1 Corinthians 4:4 For I know NOTHING BY MYSELF; yet am I not hereby JUSTIFIED: but he that JUDGETH me is the Lord (the word is judging you NOW).
John 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you, for the prince of this world (those that believe they are living their lives on their own) cometh, and have NOTHING IN ME (not believing ALL IS OF GOD).
Galatians 6:3 If a man think himself to be something, when HE IS NOTHING, he deceiveth himself.
John 15:5 I am the vine you are the branches: He that abideth in me (TRUTH), and I (TRUTH) in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit (CHRIST IN YOU), for without me you can do NOTHING.
As Christ reveals himself to you through TRUTH you began to be a new creation; CHRIST IN YOU, and begin to BELIEVE what the word says. Christ is making you to be exactly like himself; everything he is, YOU ARE.
1 John 3:2 Beloved, NOW (when you BELIEVE) are we the sons of GOD, and it doeth not yet appear what we shall BE: but we know that, when he shall appear (NOW in TRUTH) we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
This is the FIRST DEATH and RESURRECTION; now in CHRIST, being JUDGED NOW in the words of Gods.
A NEW HEAVEN (You where Christ dwells); a new life and that life IS CHRIST.
And then in Acts 20:16, Paul wanted to bypass Asia in his travels, so as to get to Jerusalem for Pentecost. But Paul knew beforehand what lay ahead of him there: Acts 20:22-25. And then we get to Acts 21:4 & then to Acts 21:10-12. So Paul already knew that something might happen at Jerusalem, yet he was "bound in the spirit" to go there, that "bounds & afflictions" were his lot wherever he went. So then in verse 4, could this be a further Word from the Spirit that sufferings lay before him at Jerusalem, even as Agabus had also declared? That this wasn't a direct command from God not to go but another message of warning of what lay ahead for him if he should go? Paul knew that he was close to "finishing his course" & felt the need to complete the ministry in Jerusalem. If the Lord wanted anything different for him, it would be certain that obstructions would have been placed before him or he would have received God's Word directly about his disobedience.
So, even without a full certainty, we should be assured that Paul was led of the Spirit & all that befell him throughout his ministry was not of his doing, but in line with the Plan & Purposes of God to reach those in Israel, Asia Minor & Greece. And of course, Paul eventually was taken prisoner to Rome - so he got to 'visit' that city after all & "received all that came unto him", albeit as a prisoner.
Purgatory, from the verb, "to purge", is a Roman Catholic teaching whereby those who have died & yet have sins unconfessed & unforgiven, go into an intermediate state for further cleansing, making them fit to enter Heaven. We don't find any reference in the Bible to such a state that a departed soul goes through, though RCs find scriptural support for their belief. They cite, Isaiah 4:4 ("spirit of burning" as referring to burning off the filth of the flesh); Matthew 5:25,26 ("prison" being purgatory, & "the last penny" being the full payment of that purgation); 1 Corinthians 3:10-15 (the test of "fire" as the place of refining & then acceptance by God); the Apocryphal Book 2 Maccabees 12:41-45 (a strong passage to show that the souls of the dead can be 'helped along the way' by making further sacrifice (monetary offering), with prayers making reconciliation for their sins); & so we have 'prayers for the dead'.
If you know your Bible, & especially the references I've given, then you can see how Scriptures can be twisted to mean something else - to support their belief in a further purgation, with the prayers, offerings, masses, etc. to assure the soul's entrance to Heaven. Yet Hebrews 10:14, "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified." Verse 18, "Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin." These verses tell us that Jesus' Sacrifice is sufficient to deal with the sin problem & to make us (those He has sanctified) perfect (clean & acceptable to God). And if our sins have been remitted (removed or transmitted onto Him), there can be no further offering for sin.
So there is nothing that can possibly be offered to God, whether in this life or the next, that will further guarantee our entrance into Heaven. It's all of Grace - it's all found in the Cross & the shed Blood of Jesus.