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We shall see this God of creation for we humans comes forth; things in the beginning made; Jehovah, many knows/we will get to see him..read the KJV bible....except him/follow his words, were guilty get right, were not stay from found guilty/punished, fire, fire/brimstones awaits...Isa53:1kjv..

Hello, I'm not sure what your definition of wages is. My definition of wages is money. This money can be used to support someone, whether it being used for food, water, clothing, transportation, gift, or whatever.

Paul accepted money from churches as well as food, shelter, etc.

2 Corinthians 11:7-9

1 Corinthians 9:14 - it's ok to make a living preaching the gospel. It doesn't stay they must only get a stipend so they're below poverty, and doesn't say you might give millions and buy them jets and islands, either.

1 Timothy 5:17-18 - preaching and teaching is a job

Most churches have volunteers for part time commitments, but there are some key members that work full time and it's not right to demand full time labor from someone and not properly compensate them, unless they insist on working free. Basically you're taking their available time away which they would otherwise use to produce income and failing to give them any support in return. I believe that is wrong. No one has a right over someone else's labor- that is called slavery.

So, if a church has a full time worship director role then it's only fair that person is properly compensated above poverty level so that person can support themselves and a family. If the church can't afford it then they should consider reducing the responsibility greatly back down to what a volunteer could manage.

God bless...

Hi Amon.

What's the Question?

GB.

Ronnie.

Malachi 3:6 (KJV) For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Hi Bob.

I've heard good arguments for both,

Important thing is what his dying meant to us.

God bless

Please lift us up in prayer I'm a disabled senior single parent of 3 adult kids, my youngest Tiffany just went thru 2 1/2 hrs back surgery , she was bedridden for 9 month prior n is recuperating.

My middle son Guillermo is going thru real bad time he is my main concern he has gone thru a lot undeserved n needs Christ in his life.

My oldest AnaLiza has also gone thru some rough time n of course I myself need God's intervention n healing in our life.

Thank you in advance for all prayers . Our phones are different

I'm talking about the physically manifested, end-time firsfruits of Jesus Christ. The Church. The Bride. The two witnesses are much more special than meets the eye. In fact you could devote a lifetime to Sunday school, and never uncover the clews of who they are. They are the elite set, one hundred forty four thousand gleaned from Israel, the remnant who after battling satan, are resurrected into Christ's army. Only these elect qualify ( Revelation 14:4) to be firstfruits for the thousand years.

However, due to above corresponding, and conflicting scriptures, any opinion falls inconclusive. The gut feeling says everyone else awaits second entry; all 108 billion souls that ever lived. What do we care, we'll be sleeping.

Did Jesus die on a stake or a cross

What does it mean to be the "only begotten Son "? If your reasoning is based on what he said, Can you define what does it mean to be the only begotten Son of God, And he's also considered the Son of David, and the Son of Man.

Being consistent in your reasoning and using the same logic give your take on these things.

As sons of our earthly father we know we were brought into this world by him and after him.

Jesus Christ is from everlasting to everlasting, Pre existence, The ending and the beginning, The Alpha and Omega, He was in the fathers bosom, He said ME and my Father are one, He said if you have seen the me, you have seen the father. He Said he's ""THE"" Almighty. Isaiah called him the Everlasting "FATHER".

Why don't you explain your case against the deity of Christ using the same Reasoning and logic.

OPEN UP AND TELL US WHAT ALL I MENTIONED WHICH IS IN SCRIPTURE MEANS TO YOU!!

WELCOMING A REPLY.

GOD BLESS.

My comment is that I am grateful for the Word which never changes, never sleeps, never fails to answer ...

Amen Brother Carlton.

Thanks and God bless.

If we spread the gospel, we should do it out of love! Not too prevail over others, if so be, we would not speak the truths of the Holy spirit.

Guided freely by the spirit of Christ, so no one would come behind or hindered. Leading as it were setting the pace for others!

Leaving all things, in order to gain that which comes from above! Not by our works, but by His grace! The grace found in the example of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

John 14:28

"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I."

Praise the Lord!

Hope that all my brothers and sisters are doing well on this Sabbath Day!

God Bless

Questions for quiz on 1st Timothy chapter 1and 2

Robert Lester Oberther ,there isnt any scripture to support wages ,in my Church a person might claim some expenses ,travel ,petrol etc and we would always offer free refreshment ,food and drink etc but no wages , if they needed equipment we might purchase it but not wages . The only time we might give wages is if the person was not a Christian member of our congregation and we were employing them ,if it was a Christian member of our congregation they would definately not ask for wages .

Carleton ,what a lovely post ,thankyou ,the way you express yourself ,in all your post ,should be an example to us all ,you always make your point perfectly clear without any note of aggresion at all , i can learn from you and so can all of us i think ,you never sound as if you are trying to belittle any one or provoke anger in any one ,its a gift and you have it ,please keep using it for all our sakes .

You dont need to say any more ,you said it perfectly ,there have always been people who think that the more words they use the more likely they are to be heard and believed ,Gods message is. simple ,it always has been ,humans like to complicate things for their own benefit ,either financialy or for their own egos ,stick with the Bible ,God meant His words to be understood by everone and the more you read them and pray to Him the stronger your faith in Him will be and you will be able to discern the Truth from the vain babblings of men . Your post was perfect ,mine is too long !

please keep myself and my daughters Deanna and Jessica and there families in your prayers

1st Peter ch5 v2 springs to mind immediately ,personally i dont belive any Christian should ever make money off their relationship with God ever . Not as a business ,there was a preacher in my town yesterday ,by himself in the rain ,we had a little chat and i discovered he goes around the area where i live preaching in the streets for free off his own bat , he was retired ,the rain started to get pretty heavy so i voluntarily gave him 20 bucks so he could go in a cafe and get something to eat and dry off ,he didnt ask me and was very reluctant ,im sure if it hadnt been raining hard he wouldnt have taken it , i belive that God sometimes works through us to help other people out but im not comfortable for His Praise and Preaching to be done for wages ,in my Church absolutely no one takes wages ever ,our collections go 1st for the upkeep of our building 2nd to registered charities and we as members can request a collection for some one or specific charity ,and 3rd into a welfare fund for our own members if they find themselves in dire straights ,every member is allowed to view our accounts any time they like . Money and Christianity ,again incongruous springs to mind .

I'm a Christian and I have been going through a lot of challenging situations, but last night in the dream I won first prize, a huge trophy....I know exactly what it means

#Thank you Jesus

I don't have an issue with Jesus being born as a Man & being called the Son of God. I think that Who He was prior to His birth is the issue. You say that Jesus' Spirit of God was with God/of God. So are you saying that God has two Holy Spirits? One from Jesus & one from God?

Whereas the Bible in John chapter 1 declares that it was His Word that He sent forth and this Word was clothed with flesh. God's Spirit was still in operation whilst Jesus walked on the Earth. One instance was when Jesus chastised the Pharisees who accused Him of using Beelzebub the prince of devils to cast out devils ( Matthew 12:24-32). Jesus told them this was blasphemy when one speaks against the Holy Ghost (i.e. the Spirit's working). So here we have the Son of God & the Spirit of God at work simultaneously.

And yes, Jesus never said that He was God, but said that He was the Son of God - for that was Who He was on the Earth. But before He was sent to the Earth by God, He was God's spoken Word. If you believe that sending out the Word to become a Man is unbelievable, then how about sending out His Spirit to indwell a man, indeed, innumerable men? Paul even said in 1 Corinthians 15:47, "The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven." This second Man, the last Adam, is the Lord, the One sent by the Father from out of the Father.

And Mary was a holy person, but still a sinner. You can be holy too & still be a sinner, simply because you were born with Adam's sin nature. Jesus wasn't born in that manner - He didn't have a sin nature, though Satan greatly desired Him to have one. If Mary was a special creation, then maybe she may be in the same state as the Lord, but she was a fallen human as we are.

Corporate Praise and Worship. For some reason those words make me feel the same way that i feel when i see people in military uniforms full of medals sitting in a Church ,incongruous ! Thats the word i think im looking for .

What Is The Meaning Of Hart?

1 Samuel 18:6

...... that the women came out of all cities of Israel, singing and dancing, to meet king Saul, with tabrets, with joy, and with instruments of music.

2 Samuel 6:5

And David and all the house of Israel played before the LORD on all manner of instruments made of fir wood, even on harps, and on psalteries, and on timbrels, and on cornets, and on cymbals.

2 Chronicles 5:13, 16 and 7:6

It came even to pass, as the trumpeters and singers were as one, to make one sound to be heard in praising and thanking the LORD; and when they lifted up their voice with the trumpets and cymbals and instruments of music, and praised the LORD, saying, For God is good; for his mercy endureth for ever: that then the house was filled with a cloud, even the house of the LORD;

Psalms 87:7, 68:25, 150:4

As well the singers as the players on instruments shall be there: all my springs are in thee.

Amos 6:5

That chant to the sound of the viol, and invent to themselves instruments of music, like David;

Habakkuk 3:19

The LORD God is my strength, and he will make my feet like hinds' feet, and he will make me to walk upon mine high places. To the chief SINGERS on my stringed instruments.

Genesis 30: 27-28

28 And he said, Appoint me thy Wages, and I will give it.

Comment: We live in different times. I think the members of the Church should praise the Lord as a group. Special songs should be free-will offerings. Sacrifice of Praise blesses God, as we see from scripture. He gave Israel victory over their enemies in battle, time after time.

However today, Churches are under pressure to hire professional bands and singers, which travel from church to church, and incur expenses.

You need to search this out, seek the counsel of your elders in your church. Discuss the budget. Also, do not neglect to teach the flock the power of Corporate Praise and Worship vs pew sitters. STAND and sing unto the Lord.

Mishael

Just to correct a little to this post. Jesus Christ was not just flesh and God's Spirit. We (humans) are three part beings consisting of a body, soul, and spirit. Christ also has a soul. Which is "who" He is. God is life and His breath is our spirit, Job 34:14-15, and how we can have relation to God. Being able to receive His Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ, or the Spirit of God to indwell with our spirit after giving our lives to the Lord.

You are not the only one to not believe in the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost being ONE. Even though it is in Scripture. If that is your view.

So what about the soul of Jesus Christ and "who" He was/is? He spake what the Father wanted Him to speak though he is not the Father but the Son.

How can anyone say that God, our Father, did not have His Son with Him for any amount of time before Christ was born here of flesh? Is not anything possible with God?

Do you know of Philippians 2:6? Stating Christ was "in the form of God" and "thought it not robbery to be equal with God".

To Glory in the Son is to Glorify the Father.

I know there are different views to this and I don't think anyone here is going to change anyone else's mind. This is not a new topic.

Please don't take my post as harsh. Let us all stay focused on the Word of God and doing the Will of our Father. Which is to follow the way of Christ.

God Bless.

Critical thinking is the basic tenet of the skeptical approach. It is an approach that underpins all of its activities and findings, drawing on the scientific method (research, analysis and peer review) to provide the evidence for our points of view.

Skeptic definition

* a person who doubts the truth of Christianity and other religions; an atheist.

* an attitude of doubt or a disposition to incredulity either in general or toward a particular object; the doctrine that true knowledge or some particular knowledge is uncertain; the method of suspended judgment, systematic doubt, or criticism that is characteristic of skeptics (Merriam-Webster).



* Skeptical theism is the view that God exists but that we should be skeptical of our ability to discern God's reasons for acting or refraining from acting in any particular instance.

If we really want to believe that the Universe didn't explode in the Big Bang, and that our ancestors didn't crawl out of goo, stand up and walk into college.

Why is it so hard to believe in God? He's

Not a creator of weapons systems or video games,

But a Creator of this planet we live on; fight and die for; enjoy every day of our lives.

Scientists now say (recent info from satellites sent to study our solar system):

All the planets once had huge bodies of water. Even Pluto. They see the water beds.

They surmised that all of the water on other planets evaporated because of location to our Sun.

How is it that only Earth has abundant water?

Other planets closer to the sun than earth; and planets further into space behind earth: have only empty sea beds. PBS dot ORG, to see that scientific report.

We serve a Godhead of unsearchable intelligence, knowledge, power, creative expression, intuition, communication.

As some people say: haters are gonna hate; as do the doubters. Faith is a mystery. God loves people of FAITH.

He reveals Himself to Believers. Why miss out on that? Are you a skeptic?

Mishael

Looks like you're working hard to discredit Jesus's divinity.

John 1:1 THE WORD WAS GOD. = JESUS CHRIST IS GOD.

John 20:28 - "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God."

Thomas called Jesus Christ "God."

Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let US make.."

"us" plural. If not Jesus Christ, who else? Do you believe in a different trinity or other Gods that don't include Jesus?

John 1:2

"The same was in the beginning with God."

Jesus was there in the beginning.

John 1:3

"All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

That 100% clears it up. Jesus WAS there from the beginning, with God, and WAS God. Not God the Father, but God the Son.

Have you prayed to God and asked Him if what you believe is true and if going to Bible forums and trying to discredit Jesus is ok?

Firstfruits

The first-fruits of the ground were offered unto God just as the first-born of man and animals. "The law required, (1.) That on the morrow after the Passover Sabbath a sheaf of new corn should be waved by the priest before "the altar ( Lev. 23:5, 6, 10, 12; 2:12)." "(2.) That at the feast of Pentecost two loaves of leavened "bread, made from the new flour, were to be waved in like manner" "( Lev. 23:15, 17; Num. 28:26)." "(3.) The feast of Tabernacles was an acknowledgement that the fruits of the harvest were from the Lord ( Ex. 23:16; 34:22). "(4.) Every individual, besides, was required to consecrate to God a portion of the first-fruits of the land ( Ex. 22:29; 23:19; "34:26; Num. 15:20, 21)." "(5.) The law enjoined that no fruit was to be gathered from "newly-planted fruit-trees for the first three years, and that" the first-fruits of the fourth year were to be consecrated to the Lord ( Lev. 19:23-25). Jeremiah (2:3) alludes to the "ordinance of "first-fruits," and hence he must have been" "acquainted with the books of Exodus, Leviticus, and Numbers," where the laws regarding it are recorded.

I would add it's very plain that the word of God is God .

God the father of all things , is Spirit and is not a man or has flesh .

But Jesus his son has flesh . And is God manifest in the flesh , as the Son of God .

Jesus is OF GOD not God .

God is one being the father of all even Jesus . Jesus is the Son of God .

I hope this helps . So much more could be said ...

John 10:30

I and my Father are one (and the same).

That statement is what angered the Pharisees and those seeking Jesus's death, so much; that he was immediately taken to Herod to be put to death.