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It has been a long day, and our Hope continues. God bless our walk together this day brother Chris.

Thank you for your love.

John 1:1-4, 14

In the beginning was the WORD, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The same was in the beginning with God.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

And the Word was made flesh (Jesus) and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten (son) of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

If you are born again, the Holy Spirit seals you; He is the Spirit of Jesus Christ. He indwells you. Comforts you. He is your Teacher. He anoints you to understand scripture. He is your Helper. He is gentle, and kind. He reveals Jesus to you.

Romans 1:20

John 3

You must be born again and receive the indwelling of the Holy Spirit; to comprehend spiritual truth.

Father Purposes

Jesus speaks the Word

The Holy Spirit (action) accomplishes it

It does not even spell the same , you can be one in many ways ...

I will go further Jesus was called Jesus at Bethlehem. Jesus was Flesh and Gods spirit .

Being born of God, Jesus's Spirit of God was WITH God or OF God . Did he have a name then ? What was it ? Does the scriptures say ? He was called Jesus , at his birth on earth . not before .it should be clear who Jesus is . It did not say that He was called Jesus from a previous life . They called him Jesus at his birth .

Because Jesus is from God as he himself said . He never called himself other than Gods son and that happened in Bethlehem. Being of God he also is before the foundation of the world , do you understand this ? If Jesus was a prophet like John only , he would be a man Spirit fulled at best like John the Baptist . But Jesus is the second Adam .

If you Jesus has not flesh then it's not the Jesus of the bible .

God says that he is not a man or has flesh , we are talking about the One God the father .

Do you believe in holiness? Was Mary not holy ? It says that without holiness no man shall see the Lord , so holiness is required and possible . In OT and NT times .

Thomas also needed a push to believe. The Lord in his love showed Thomas his hands and feet, then Thomas knew Him.

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Thank you brother Carleton for sharing the pain you're carrying in your heart for your loved ones. This not only makes us realize the fraility of humanity but also shows the pain that our loving Heavenly Father also bears when He experiences mankind's rejection, who count His Spirit's pleadings & His Son's sacrifice of no consequence.

If we then bear this pain & shed tears for our loved ones, our Father's pain for the lost & suffering must be unfathomable to our minds. We can rest assured that as we pray, He hears, & He will perform that which is perfect in His perfect Time. I will remember your mother-in-law & your fallen brother in prayer, that God's ministry will not only be special & precious to them but that you, your wife & others, will be kept at peace with praise & hope only upon the One Who does all things well. May God's Light continue to beam its blessed rays through you, dear brother.

Did you not read John 1? Is your motive to gain understanding of a different perspective or to just stick with what you want to believe?

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

"the Word was God."

The Bible is 100% clear that "the Word was God"- do you agree? It says it in John 1:1 verbatim.

Who is the Word? If you keep reading it answers that in 100% clear language

John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

The "Word" was made flesh and dwelt among us (people).

Verse 15 says John (the Baptist) bore witness to Him. This narrows it down so much there is absolutely no one else this could possibly be but Jesus Christ. It would take serious mental gymnastics to make it mean anyone else, but Jesus Christ.

So, let's review. John 1:1 In the beginning was (Jesus Christ), and the (Jesus Christ) was with God, and the (Jesus Christ) was God.

All of this we get from John 1, the scripture I already provided which you seemed to have missed.

But there's much more than one verse that says Jesus is God. When it says God, it doesn't mean God the Father though, but God the Son. And Jesus is Lord and as well as other terms used in reverence. Just because people have a hard time comprehending the "three are one" doesn't mean they need to try to rewrite the Bible to mean something entirely different. It's already correct exactly as it says. That's part of being a Christian and having faith.

1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let US make man in our image"

John 11:6-7 "And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Go to, let US go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech."

John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."

John 8:19 "if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also."

Do you believe these Bible verses?

Thankfully brother Spencer we have so many bible instructions on the operations of the body of Christ, the Church and bride, including a washing of our feet by one another and greeting with an Holy Kiss, we have clear instructions to examine our lives together as members of the the bride so that we can commune together in oneness by the Spirit. My wife and I who were married in the Lord are one in faith as well as many of my closest brethren which I can count into the hundreds and hundreds whom I have met and greeted.

So we endeavor by the Grace of God in Jesus Christ to walk more closely in him which often requires denying ourselves of our own wants and ambitions so that we can be more like him, the Lamb of God.

God bless our faithful conversation in peace that has no end.

You wrote: "Since Jesus being born of God he also was with God before the foundation of the world". If Jesus was with God, what form did He take? Was He an angel, a heavenly being, or something else? Your answer to this will indicate what Jesus was in Heaven & then on Earth.

Concerning Mary. Mary was a sinner as we all are - even Enoch. Why God chose Mary rather than another woman we're not told, except that she was "highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women." ( Luke 1:28). She wasn't made sinless so that she could bear the Son of God; she was like any other, being given the privilege to bear this Holy Child without any contribution from her.

Just show us a verse that says Jesus is God .

We know God said he was God and no one else many times , and He called Jesus his son .

Just 1 verse that is specifically saying Jesus is God !

There is none .

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And I realize that you have seen a lot of evidences of 'Christians doing whatever they like after being saved'. Clearly, this is not the Gospel & if that was preached to them, then the preacher will be held to account also. That's what we call, 'easy believism', when ultimately there is a mental assent without any real meaningful spiritual conviction & change. And this is difficult for another person to detect, as that type of 'Christian' can appear very Christian even mimicking the 'real deal'. The Scripture teaches & has always been the yearning of the apostles' hearts, that the readers of their epistles be warned of sin's damaging effects ( Romans 6:1-17) that any teaching or human belief that allows for sin & righteousness to cohabit together, is not of God & not what they were taught. And let's face it, we Christians do need regular reminders to stay on the path that leads to Heaven & not entertain sin that disrupts our holy relationship with the Godhead which could lead to painful discipline.

I apologize for the length of this response brother, but felt it necessary to lay out my belief, so you may know my understanding of the biblical Christian, that he is always in subjection to the Spirit's Word & Work, & his life both now & till the end, will bear testimony of the reality of that salvation experience he claims to have had.

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Another example: what is a policeman? Is he not one who wears the uniform & badge, carries a firearm & gets his salary accordingly? But does he have to also behave, act & make judgements as one also? Some might say, 'No', if he is recognized as one (uniform, badge, salary) he is a policeman. I say that his conduct & judgements are also included. If he behaves as a thief, a rapist or murderer, his uniform & badge are worthless & he has lost that position & privilege. In a somewhat similar fashion, I see the 'Christian'. It is not only his confession & profession of faith, but also his behaviour & the working of the Spirit in his life. If no evidence of the operation of the Spirit (conviction, pleadings, etc.), no spiritual life in him, spurious faith, an imposter.

As far as the word, "Christian" goes. The disciples may have been Christian, if meaning, 'a follower of Christ', but certainly not in meaning under the New Covenant, as a "Spirit-indwelt follower of Christ" because if one is not Spirit-indwelt, the word 'Christian' is a misnomer. And they only became Christians from the Day of Pentecost.

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An onlooker might see some of this 'Christian' behaviour & fruit, but he doesn't see all, because we have neither that power nor privilege to do so. We accept each 'Christian' based on his testimony, his life & the need to build each other in the faith. If he should fall, we are to pick up & restore him in the spirit of meekness ( Galatians 6:1). But if he persists in his folly without repentance, as in 1 Corinthians chap 5, he is to be rejected, handed over to the kingdom of darkness that his spirit might yet be saved in the Day of Christ. As also seen in 1 Corinthians 11:27-30.

So how does this then apply to your sad example of one who has given himself over to such sins? If he is/was a believer as you say, then there might still be hope that God is working in him - sometimes our fall is great so that our salvation might be greater. But if he has given his condition due thought, has no sense of conviction by the Spirit & may even have said that he rejects everything he has heard or believed, are we to assume that he is a fallen Christian or one that has never climbed out of the pit in the first place? Again, we cannot judge: we don't know man's heart & we don't know God's Work in that heart. One thing is certain, God makes no mistakes: those He saves, He saves to the uttermost ( Hebrews 7:25). If that person has fallen into the snare, God will speak & he will be retrieved. If he chooses the life of sin being apart from God & has no conviction, he was never a child of God without His Spirit in spite of any claims or apparent 'fruit', as the Spirit Who seals cannot abide in or tolerate such a life.

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Hi Adam. I agree with you in your definition of a Christian, & more: conviction of sin, repentance, re-birth, Spirit baptism & indwelling, fruit/gifts of the Spirit received, earnest desire to live for God & not for oneself & the World, hates sin & struggles against temptation & sin, has his citizenship in Heaven, longs to talk to his Heavenly Father & also to hear from Him, & ultimately will persevere in this life of burden, cares & suffering, being triumphant in the battle against Satan.

One might say that I've added more to its meaning, as shown in Romans 10:9, making the definition too restrictive. But the Roman's formula (confess + believe = salvation) is the essence, but the Christians' desire to hate sin, to live for God, to worship this Saviour God, to persevere, etc., are responses of the Holy Spirit indwelling. This must be the case, for that is the very Work of the Spirit, to form Christ in us ( Galatians 4:19) which is not always an immediate but an ongoing work in a believers' life. That's why I like Jesus' simple parable of the Sower ( Matthew 13:3-23); even though it speaks of the reception of God's Word to the hearer, Jesus is questioning how people would respond when the Living Word of God standing before them would receive & respond to Him. A proper response to that Word, its planting, germination, growth, fruitfulness & abiding until the time of physical deterioration & death, is the definition of one in whom God's Word & Seed of Salvation has truly done its blessed work.

I need documentation supporting that christian musician responsible to be in charge of playing and presenting all of the church music,should be paid.

What makes you think that anyone other than the first fruits are first fruits?

( Revelation 14:3-5)

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the first fruits unto God and to the Lamb.

5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

It is only the one hundred forty four thousand, resurrected and standing at the throne of God.

The rest of the dead slept till the second resurrection.

BUT WAIT, were not finished, or without contradiction:

( 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17)

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Did all of the one hundred forty four thousand die, or did some take cover? vs 17 says those alive will be caught up with the dead to meet the Lord in the air. I tend to believe from the great number of sealed Israelites that some must remain alive. After all, they are witnesses to anti-christ's exploits, and need to see it to the end. Per usual, looking into the translation, etymology would iron matters out.

Hi Carlton.

I agree, and what came to mind is I believe the Lord gave us marriage to communicate his love to the Church.

A husband and wife should model that relationship.

Ephesians 5:22-28. Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

For the HUSBAND IS THE HEAD OF THE WIFE, EVEN AS CHRIST IS THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH: and he is the saviour of the body.

Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

( THAT HE MIGHT SANCTIFY AND CLEANSE IT WITH THE WASHING OF WATER BY THE WORD, )

THAT HE MIGHT PRESENT IT TO HIMSELF A GLORIOUS CHURCH, NOT HAVING SPOT, OR WRINKLE, OR ANY SUCH THING; BUT THAT IT SHOULD BE HOLY AND WITHOUT BLEMISH.

So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

""THAT GOD MIGHT SANCTIFY AND CLEANSE US!!!""

Mathew 19:5-6. And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and THEY TWAIN SHALL BE ONE FLESH?

Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, LET NOT MAN PUT ASUNDER

These verses remind me of Romans 8:28-39. No separation, No divorce. Nothing can separate us from the love of the Lord.

God bless

There is thinking and knowing. All of our thoughts on any issue, must line up with the written Word of God.

Knowing, is discovering God's will on any matter of question.

Accepting what God has said on any matter is profitable to our growth as children of God.

Our Daddy does not ever lie, or make things fuzzy so we cannot understand it.

A lying spirit would be happy to get us off track, imagining and wondering; even fantasizing.

The Chief Shepherd leads His sheep. Another "voice" they will not follow. Why? Because the Shepherd cares for His sheep.

People in the Bible, were allowed to catch a brief glimpse of Heaven. Paul, Stephen, John and Peter, Elisha, Elijah and many more! Encourage yourself on all those examples that you are able to dig out of the Bible. The trip is worth it.

God's not hiding heaven from us, at all.

My 8 yr old son didn't want to go to heaven because he said "heaven doesn't have pizza."

I told the Lord about it. Instantly, the Lord said, there will be pizza in heaven I fell off the sofa almost.

The 'accusations' that we hear, that heaven is boring, not cool, not fun, boring food... are Lies from Satan. He knows all of our weaknesses. Why wouldn't he seek to discourage us? Let's learn to say: I rebuke that lie in the Name of Jesus! Goliath told David what he was going to do to him..and David killed Goliath with a rock; and then severed Goliaths head.

The lying demons will leave, IF we confront them with Truth and scripture.They have billions of others who will listen. Chop it's head off and go on with your Victorious Savior, Jesus!

I always think it's a mighty thing to uncover things about God that aren't discussed much.. and study it and then showcase what God has done and is going to do.

Often missed in the story of Gideon: God down-sized his army to a small group. Soldiers that were able to bear full dress, a pack, armor, and LAP water like a deer, keeping a watch for the enemy intently.

M.

At the last trump, when the mystery is revealed; the king of kings doesn't need to come down to earth in secret.

Colossians Chapter 3

6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

8 But now ye also put off all these; ANGER, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.

9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the OLD man with his deeds;

Ephesians Chapter 4

24 And that ye put on the NEW man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.

26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:

27 Neither give place to the devil.

Mishael Comment: This generation of people are very angry and do not pull back on those reins to stop it. We are to produce the FRUIT of the Holy Spirit. The evidence of Jesus's life being lived through us.

Galatians 5:22

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

Ephesians 5:9

(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)

Romans 8:9

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Matthew Chapter 12

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall NOT be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Selah. (Pause and think on these things)

If you survive the hours long literal extermination of 1/3rd world population, the dead will be the lucky. If you survive 3.5+ years of satan's hell on earth, then you will be taken up when the last angel sounds.

>Does that make him God ? No

Yes it does. Just read John 1. One has to cherry pick and disregard most of Bible in order to draw such a conclusion. Specific verses that debunk this radical idea have been posted countless times here and elsewhere online. A 2 second search will show all the proof you need that Jesus is God- remember the verse the 3 are one? And the father and I are one? Only satan can be behind this effort of trying to discredit Jesus. Shame on you for spreading anti-Christian propaganda.

To Long Didn't Read

An answer to someone's question....

Isaiah 55:11

So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

When the Lord says something in the Bible or by way of the Holy Spirit (to your spirit),

It will be done.

Mishael

( Psalms 86:6) I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Are there any other bible verses referencing 'righteous anger' ? As Jesus had when dealing with the moneychangers at the temple in overturning their tables.

Thank you brother Spencer for taking the time. I lean towards this thought being what Paul was trying to say. I do agree that these verses do not lend much support if any to the subject of personal salvation.

I am a witness though to very many reconsecrations from what appeared be, by their own words, having been overtaken in sin. The very short story and I have my own too, are night and day changes in spirit, actions and love from coming through a repentance and then separation from the willing sin(s). The power of the Holy Spirit in some of these changes is convincing to anyone witnessing at the time. These experiences from separation by sin to repentance and reconsecration are good and edifying and keep the Church of God blameless. My thoughts are open to correction.

Hello again! I just have birth to a healthy baby girl! Even though I was just 5 months along in my pregnancy, yes, she is a preemie, but I am just so thank ful that she came with out any complications. After 2 months of battling pneumonia, she came with out sickness. She is on oxygen and will be in till at least September 14, her due date. Her name is Faith Kristen Jarkas. Please pray that she will become healthy and strong.

Nancy J.

Hi Joetta.

No I don't think you will find that in scripture,

Hi Michael.

I agree on moving on,

I just wanted to give my thoughts on your last reference.

Psalms 51:11. CAST ME NOT AWAY FROM THY PRESENCE; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

In the old testament God's presence came amongst them and I believe empowered them.

The spirit even came upon Nebuchadnezzar and many others as instruments. Today he put his Spirit in us.

Hebrews 10:16-19. This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

King David was a man after the Lord's own heart but he lost his joy and that's what he's crying out for.

Psalms 51:12. "RESTORE UNTO ME THE JOY" of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.

Psalms 51:14. DELIVER ME FROM BLOODGUILTINESS, O God, thou God of my salvation: and my tongue shall sing aloud of thy righteousness.

Thanks Michael.

God bless