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That is a very good question regarding the Saturday/Sabbath, and Jesus showed us numerous times that we can perform "good work" helping, saving a persons life, healing, feeding the hungry, etc.
Luke 6:9
"Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it?"
Luke 6:10
"And looking round about upon them all, he said unto the man, Stretch forth thy hand. And he did so: and his hand was restored whole as the other."
So Jesus showed us we can do good things on the sabbath.
I believe as a Christian I should not work or try to gain for "myself" on Saturday/Sabbath. I should also not participate in any worldly activities ie: sporting events, going to movies, etc.
God is asking us to give him 1 day out of 7 to rest and give thanks. Is that to much for him to ask? I don't think so, especially if is so important to God that he says "REMEMBER TO KEEP HOLY THE SABBATH". Not something I want to handle lightly....nor God forbid - Forget!
There are millions of christians today that are comfortable forgetting the 4th Commandment - I thank God that I am not one of them.
God Bless
Good Question, I believe Paul's Message to the Jews that may have possibly witnessed the crucifixion would not change if he spoke to those who haven't seen, as well as us.
Which leaves each view with the same problem, "Impossible to restore " When l consider verses 7, 8, and 9
I believe he's talking about what accompany salvation. "Maturity and fruitfulness by the Spirit, It's Impossible to achieve that under the Leviticus priesthood. That would be in the context with ch 4 and 5 and the following chapter, ch 7. Let's do a study on verses 6 and 7, I believe they speak of Growth.
Thiese are very tough verses to. e dogmatic, But can for sure rule out loosing salvation.
God bless.
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7. Spiritual Healing
Thank you for your thoughts.
As we know there's several views of Hebrews 6. Here's 4 commonly used.
1) Paul is talking to unconverted Jews that has been enlightened but turned back to Judaism.
2) Paul is talking Jewish believers to urge them towards Maturity, who's mengaling in Judaism, as did the Galatians.
3) Paul is talking to a mix of the 2 just mentioned 1 and 2.
4) He's talking about Jews loosing salvation.
Consider this verse you mentioned-
Hebrews 6:4. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
"IF" This verse means salvation, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO RENEW YOU AGAIN UNTO REPENTANCE. "" MEANING YOU HAVE ONE CHANCE IN A LIFETIME TO
GET IT RIIGHT!! ARE YOU ARE FOREVER LOST!! IT IS IMPOSSIBLE!!! To renew the broken commitment, MEANING ONCE YOU COMMIT ONE SIN YOU ARE LOST.
Which Dont fit in the light of these scriptures?
Jude 1:24-25. Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
2 Timothy 1:12. For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.
John 10:28-29. And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Romans 8:38-39. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
If I may just ask you one question concerning keeping the "Sabbath day" holy. In several places it states:
Exodus 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Exodus 35:2 Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.
The question I ask is what would you say to someone who worked on the Sabbath day to help someone else or do something good/righteous?
Thank you for your time. I would just like to know what your perspective is in not doing any work and resting as the OT clearly states for that commandment.
God Bless.
The question, though, begs to be answered. Why did the Apostles never write to the Church to obey the Sabbath. I don't find the 10 commandments in the letters from Romans to Revelation. They speak only about the commandments - which refers to the commandments of the New Testament. Sabbath keepers always turn to the Old Testament books such as Exodus to say that we must keep the Sabbath. Why don't they quote from the instruction letters sent to the Church - Romans to Revelation?
I would answer, because the Apostles never instructed the Church to do so. In fact, Paul says the complete opposite.
Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the SABBATH DAYS:"
I, personally, will follow Paul's advice - and let no man judge me.
I respect your thoughts, though, and I will agree to disagree and move on.
Good day, Dan.
Keep the faith!
:)
If you agree that your definition of a Christian is different, then what is your definition? What exact criteria makes someone a Christian in your view?
My criteria is: believe Jesus Christ, repent/confess sin, and be baptized. Matthew 10:32, John 3:16, Luke 5:32, Acts 2:38, Mark 16:16. A Christian is a Christ follower, which is an action. It is an ongoing activity and responsibility to follow Jesus and obey Him and strive to live a holy life. It takes great effort to do this avoid sin. Look at Paul's struggle in Romans 7. John 14:15. Romans 12:2, James 2:26, John 8:11.
The gentleman I previously spoke about did all the above and is a Christian, but you said he wasn't. Why not? In your view is a Christian not a Christian if he sins just once, or twice, or does it depend on the sin?
And Jesus's followers were indeed Christians. A literal Christ follower is as true to being a Christian as you can possibly get. They literally followed Him around all day, listened to His teachings, believed Him, tried to emulate Him. Judas and Peter both denied and betrayed Him as Christians, because they had freewill to do so, just like Satan had freewill in heaven to do what he did, and just like so many Christians do today, by leaving, denying the faith, committing sin.
What is most sad is this Christian I referred to living in sin right now is doing so because of messages he's been told like you're telling. He's been brainwashed into believing he is already saved and he can now do whatever he wants- that it's impossible to lose his salvation. And now he's enjoying sin and doing all kinds of evil, because he was told he's saved and in the book of life. Christians who think they can get by with committing unlimited sin are completely ignoring what Jesus said. ( John 14:15). That's like slapping Jesus in the face. Romans 14:13. We are to not cause others to stumble.
Read the Bible and trust in His Words.
1) In short, yes, Peter is warning about false prophets who left the true faith and, in short, apostatized. But, the warning that Peter is giving, is to faithful believers, to not follow them and become rejected as they were. Notice.
2 Peter 2:3 "And through covetousness shall THEY (apostates) with feigned words make merchandise of YOU (true faithful believers): whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not."
The apostates want to make the faithful Christians into apostates too. Thus, the warning. Why? Because there is a real serious danger.
2) They were not just enlightened, they were true believers.
Hebrews 6:4 "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT,"
If you are made partakers of the Hold Spirit, you have received God's Holy Spirit and are a Christian. You have to safeguard that or God will take away his Holy Spirit.
Psalms 51:11 "Cast me not away from thy presence; and TAKE NOT YOUR HOLY SPIRIT FROM ME."
I concur with you, though, in that we can agree to disagree and move on.
Good day.
:)
Part 1
You've posted a lot of scripture, unfortunately many of the same scripture.
some refers to those were enlightened but not saved, "as many of us today but never coming to Christ for salvation " And some saved but haven't matured as you see here.
" Hebrews 5:12-14 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."
And we see both groups in the verses you stated.
But Like a said and still say it's not talking about SALVATION in Romans 6.
Another verse you keep posting is 2 Peter 2:20 to make a point of losing salvation from a group that never had it. if you want to consider that verse let's start from verse 1.
Read on please. Thanks
Pg. 2
2 Peter 2:1-19. But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
(For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)
The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
Pg 3.
2 Peter 2:14-20 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
THESE PEOPLE PETER IS SPEAKING OF HAS HEARD THE GOSPEL BUT IS NOT SAVED.
Let's move on to something else.
God bless.
As the apostles did in encouraging the Church to walk in the way of holiness, likewise must we give due regard to the brethren caught in Satan's traps. We have not been given the privilege to know any man's heart or his standing before God. We accept the testimony & the life of the believer as genuine, treating him/her with Christian love giving due care & concern. Likewise, the apostles taught or warned the believers, not knowing their true spiritual condition, but accepting them in the faith.
So, as I see the discussions here, it's not whether there is a Christian responsibility to help a fallen believer & restore him to faith by the power of the Spirit, but whether the fallen (away) 'believer' has considered his erroneous ways & his love for the world & its offerings having a greater appeal than what the blessed Lord has done & promised him. The question then is: is such a 'believer' truly a child of God, having no exercise of spirit, having no appeal & warning from the Holy Spirit to change course, but he goes on blindly & carelessly into damnation. Therefore, since we cannot judge the heart of man & how the seed of God has fallen into that soil, we are constrained to not cast judgement but find recourse to the fact that 'whom God saves, He saves entirely into eternity'. Blessings to you - have a good day at work.
Isaiah 60:1 (KJV)
You answered my question by saying: The apostles did not ever say that they obeyed the "10" commandments. Really? They stated they obeyed Gods commandments, many times.
You also state: I do agree that they did follow 9 of those commandments. I'm sorry but this really makes no sense.
There is no scripture showing that God removed the 4th commandment. Jesus didn't, and the Apostles couldn't, that is why there is no scripture that confirms this. Jesus was confronted many times regarding the Sabbath, and if he had wanted to cancel the sabbath he had many opportunities to do so.
So in your mind 9 of the 10 commandments are ok to follow because the apostles didn't, even though you have absolutely NO scripture stating they DID NOT follow the 4th commandment.
The 10 Commandments stand until the end of time!
Matthew 5:18
"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
I will agree to disagree with you at this point. In summary, I do believe this disagreement relates to how you and I interpret the scriptures.
God Bless Brother
You are obviously not understanding what I am saying and mischaracterizing my words. Yes, I also can be tempted to sin just like everyone else. And the person you are describing as being a "Christian" is not a person that I would be comfortable calling a brother or sister in Christ. Jesus said you would know them by their fruit and it seems as though this person is not being led by God's Spirit. It's those types of people who claim to be Christian and yet are involved in those thing that we are not to have fellowship with.
None of them are lost.
There all not inspired,
They're not missing pieces of the puzzle.
I'll let others give insight on that.
God bless
May CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and His understanding.
The scriptures teach things are done in ages or generations. We are in the church age. So the sin of blasphemy want be forgiven in this age or the one after this age; but, could be forgiven somewhere beyond those two ages.