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Do you have a Bible verse to support that belief that blasphemy of the holy ghost can't be done by believers or Christians? I'm not aware of that being stated anywhere in the Bible, so unless I see that I will deem that untrue. By default, everything Jesus says is relevant and applicable to all.
Judas was a Christian in the literal sense and after he betrayed Christ he died a horrible death. I don't believe he went to heaven. Peter also denied Christ and I believe was blasphemous and likely sending him hell bound. But Jesus made a special exception as described in John 21:15-25 and asked him if he loved Him. John 14:15.
The Bible had disciples follow Him and listen to everything He said and He spoke to everyone.
Matthew 13:10-17 - says Jesus spoke in parables so those who believed would understand. He spoke many parables about the risk of going to hell with his followers (Christians). So, one might ask: if Jesus spoke in parables aimed at believers, and if he spoke them most often to his Christian followers, and if most parables are about most people going to hell and how to avoid that, then one might conclude that Christians weren't 'saved' yet and actually had to proactively avoid sin.
Does a Christian still have freewill to turn their back on Jesus and commit the unpardonable sin that Jesus warned Christians about? Of course.
Satan is the father of lies and he loves spreading falsehoods. Which is more likely that he's trying to deceive Christians into being more obedient than needed? Or that he's trying to deceive Christians into assuming they're already saved regardless of their actions, that they can commit unlimited sin, and enjoy sin, to live in the world, to love the world, and assume they have a get out of hell free card?
Satan is unlikely to do the former and very likely to do the latter. Many Christians would love to commit sin if they knew they were saved regardless. That would be exactly what satan wants. Mat 7:21
Matthew 12:32 ...... it shall not be forgive him, neither in this WORLD, or the WORLD to come.
Could you please tell us the Greek word for WORLD; and how it is applied in the other places it occurs.
Thank you.
What I wonder about blaspheming the Holyspirit is that when you reject the Holyspirit today but accepts tomorrow is that NOT rejection? In other words, is it a repeated rejection that lasts a lifetime? Or are we given a reprobate mind after the first rejection and become numb.
I never had a full understanding of this verse.
Any further insight?
Thanks. God bless.
( Acts 2:17) And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh:...
( Joel 2:28) And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh;...
43 When the unclean spirit (demon) is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
44 Then he saith, I will return into my house (you) from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.
What it means in verse 44, is that we have not filled up our house (our spirit and soul) with enough Bible and, on-our-knees prayer, to frighten the demons into fleeing and staying away. (Just stay with me ok? I've had plenty of experience with these things.)
FAMILIAR SPIRITS are like family spies. They watch you and your family, looking for ways to come back in. They travel with TORMENTING spirits. That's what they do.
You have to close the door. Renew your vow to follow Jesus. John 3. Ask God to send his warrior angels to guard the 4 corners of your home, and everyone within. Ask the Holy Spirit to give you the gift of Discerning of Spirits. You're not going to see anything. But God is faithful to His Word. If you discern trouble, speak: "I bind you evil spirit and I cast you into outer darkness. Do not return. In the NAME of Jesus Christ. Amen. Praise to the name of Jesus!"
They will leave. Those angels will escort them out. God watches over His Word. You study the Chapter in the Bible, when Jesus was on the 40 day Fast. How did he defeat Satans temptations? What did Jesus say? A command + a scripture.
Ask the presence of the Holy Spirit to fill you up again. You need to make time to furnish your "house" (you on the inside), with the Bible. Every day you will feel Jesus's strength and JOY. Listen to the Bible on YouTube in the car too. It works. Make "DOUBT", leave too.
Mishael
Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7
Isaiah 6:8
Romans 1:20
Colossians 2:9
Acts 17:27-30
1 John 5:7
John 10:30
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made (us), even his eternal power and GODHEAD so that they are without excuse:"
Father purposes
Jesus speaks the Word
The Holy Spirit (action) accomplishes it
If you are born again, the Holy Spirit seals you; He is the Spirit of Jesus Christ. He indwells you. Comforts you. He is your Teacher. He anoints you to understand scripture. He is your Helper. He is gentle, and kind. He reveals Jesus to you.
Why would you not fully cling to Him? Study the Word. Ask questions. Sit quietly in His presence until He Reveals the Word to you. Why do you not sing praises to God, through Him?
Drink the milk of His Word, and seek the Meat of the Word. Taste and see the Goodness of the Lord.
Try to comprehend what is right in front of you. Pursue Him with all of your strength.
This age we are living in is going to close out. Are you going to go with Him?
The born again are not of This World. We are aliens. We look for the Completion of the Bible.
Some day soon, Father God is going to STAND UP. Jesus will come in the Clouds, for His Church.
At that time, the Holy Spirits presence will not be as near as He is now.
How does splitting Bible amongst ourselves Help the Unbelieving have enough knowledge and faith, to take hold of God with that faith and believe Jesus is Who His Word says He is?
Pray to the LORD of the Harvest. Then go out and work in the Harvest. Ask the Lord to set up Divine Appointments. Go ye.
Do you love me? Feed My Sheep. Carry My lambs. Ask yourself, What Time is it?
Mishael
You're welcome. I'm glad I'm not losing my marbles!
You are very welcome. The Lord is good!
I will go ahead and reply to your specific questions again in hope that this could be a genuine question.
>If salvation can be lost, by what means?
Luke 12:10 says blasphemy of the holy ghost is unforgiveable. That means if someone chooses to commit this sin, Christian or not, they will not be forgiven and will go to hell.
Hebrews 10:26
"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,". This means if a Christian continues in unrepentant sin they are in danger of having no grace to save them.
>Those scriptures you gave are misquoted.
No, they are not misquoted. When you hover over them they show the 100% correct scriptures. When I referred to them I highlighted the portion of scripture being referred to by using elipses... For proper context one should read the whole chapter and book.
>Here you have my salvation but you practiced free will and sinned so I retract your salvation.??? Really?
Is this an emotional argument being presented against the Bible? You will have to take that up with God. Luke 12:10 is clear and there's not much room to interpret it any other way. I'd be quite surprised if Christians who have denounced the faith, turned their back on God, who hate God and have chosen to commit unlimited sin, are welcomed to spent eternity with God in heaven. Likewise, what Jesus said in John 14:15 is clear. If someone doesn't obey, that means they don't love Jesus. Do you expect ho doesn't love Jesus go to heaven?
I've also heard an illogical argument claiming that real Christians can't or won't deny Jesus, as if they no longer have freewill. If this were true then there wouldn't be "ex-Christian" social media forums. Prominent Christian evangelists have denounced the faith before. Satan is real and can deceive Christians.
>Salvation at judgement?
Romans 14:12. 1 Peter 1:13, 2 Corinthians 5:10, 2 Peter 2:9
Psalms 89:30 If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgements;
Psalms 89:31 If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;
Psalms 89:32 Then will I visit their transgressions with the rod, and their iniquities with stripes.
Psalms 89:33 Nevertheless MY LOVINGKINDNESS will I not utterly take from him, nor SUFFER MY FAITHFULNESS TO FAIL.
That means a lot to me. I never considered Galatians 4:6-9, but it makes perfect sense. And yes, I do notice the transition in verse 9, where the writer says "I am persuaded better things of you." He is now speaking to those who were probably genuine believers and continued on until the end. We don't see that in verses 4-6. There were many people following along, some continuing on, and some leaving. Those who left never surrendered their life to Christ. But then there were those who did surrender.
Amen to these professions of faith in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
If salvation can be lost, by what means? What is the ultimate sin? Murder? Then the man after God's own heart had to start his salvation all over again. Is God an Indian giver? Here you have my salvation but you practiced free will and sinned so I retract your salvation.??? Really?
Those scriptures you gave are misquoted. 1John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God that ye May KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us.
15 And if we know that he hear us, whatever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.
Yes! We choose Him as Lord and Savior. We choose to follow Him of our own free will. We are not puppets on a string nor do we want to be.
Salvation at judgement? What Bible are you reading? Blessed Assurance!
You just nailed it! Losing salvation would require works on our part, and salvation is not of works. I also believe that salvation cannot be lost. I believe in the eternal security of the believer because I know who saves us, and I know who has the power to keep us saved, and said He would keep us saved until He comes for us. We've been purchased. We were bought with a price. We have been sealed by God's Spirit as a mark of ownership. There is only one who can break that seal, and it is Christ.
If you ever get a chance to engage in conversation with someone who tells you salvation can be lost, ask them if they believe they personally will lose theirs. I have been in those conversations before and almost every time I ask the person if they think they will lose theirs, they will tell me that they will never lose theirs. I even had one person tell me that they will never lose their salvation because "They love the Lord too much" to ever lose theirs. But the same person will tell you that you can lose yours, Hmmm!
A person who believes they can lose their salvation is not fully trusting in the one who saved them, the one who has sealed them, and the one who has said He will never leave us. We are kept by the mighty power of God. Jesus said all that the Father has given to Him, He will not lose one. That sounds pretty permanent to me!
Also blasphemy was mentioned as a warning for a reason. If someone claims Christians are without sin they are not being honest, Ecclesiastes 7:20. And someone claiming they can do whatever they want (sin) and face no consequences are gravely mistaken. John 14:15.
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Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"
James 2:14-26 "...faith, if it hath not works, is dead..."
James 2:19 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."
1 Peter 1:13 "...hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;"
Romans 11
Matthew 12:31-32
Romans 14:12
Thanks for sharing Romans 8:38-39. Paul says "For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
In other words, nothing can separate us from Christ, not even our own flesh!
Sealed unto the day of redemption, Amen!!!
Rejecting Jesus is the unpardonable sin
Luke 12:9
But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.
Speaking out against God isn't unpardonable, denying him is.
Luke 12:10
And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.
And if you are in Christ Jesus, you are not condemned to anything.
Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
If you confess your sins to him, he will forgive you.
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
And if by any chance you're scared God might take your wife or kids away, remember these:
Matthew 19:6
Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
James 1:17
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
Just confess your sins and ask for forgiveness and don't worry about them any more; God will forget them.
Psalm 103:11-12
For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him. [12] As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.
But don't use that as an excuse to continue in sin..
God will chastise you.
Romans 6:1-2
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? [2] God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Hebrews 12:6
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
If you are ever tempted to sin again, read 1 Corinthians 10:13
Romans 8:22. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
The Whole world was falling when we thought it was Great.
Christian is all about the relationship we had with God
1 John 2:15
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
James 4:8
Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you.
Once we are saved; we were sealed by the holy Ghost and God promised a place in Heaven
Ephesians 4:30
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
John 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.