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2 Corinthians 4:4

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

No one is saved by the works they do.

Ephesians 2:8-9

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: [9] Not of works, lest any man should boast.

And you are saved the moment you believe Jesus died for your sins.

Romans 10:9-10

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. [10] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

What James 2 is talking about is that saving faith produces good works. If you get saved, but there is no change in your life, you're not saved.

2 Corinthians 5:17

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

James 2:17

Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Once saved always saved is true. If one of Jesus's sheep goes astray, he will go after it.

Matthew 18:12

How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?

Romans 8:38-39

For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, [39] Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Of course we are not free to sin

Romans 6:1-2

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? [2] God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

if you continue in the sin and you don't repent or care, then it's willful sin.

But if you do repent

1 John 1:9

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

No one is saved until after they are judged on the day of judgment. We can have hope and assurance of salvation if we genuinely follow Jesus, but the Bible doesn't say anywhere that you will be saved regardless of your beliefs, faith, actions. Does that mean 100% of all people are saved, even Hitler and mass murderers? Jesus said most people will go to hell, so that doesn't square up. He even said many will cry out Lord, Lord, assuming they will make it to heaven, but won't. He even warned his followers (Christians) to obey and not fall into sin. If everyone was saved regardless, then it's unlikely Jesus would have warned so many people with parables.

This one verse Luke 12:10 says whomever commits this sin will not be forgiven. The idea of once saved, always saved contradicts itself, because it assumes a person who becomes a Christian no longer has freewill, which is untrue and inconsistent with the Bible. Even angels in heaven had freewill and chose to rebel, like satan. So, just because someone responds to an altar call and decides to follow Jesus doesn't mean he instantly is stripped of freewill. He absolutely still has a choice every day of who he wants to follow: Jesus, or the world (satan). Sadly, too many Christians have denounced their faith and have turned to follow the world. Becoming a Christian doesn't give anyone a license to commit unlimited sin and those who have spread this lie is doing the work of satan. There are many verses in the Bible supporting this and are posted often in the discussion threads.

Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

James 2:14-26 "...faith, if it hath not works, is dead..."

James 2:19 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."

1 Peter 1:13 "...hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;"

Romans 11

John 14:15

I just wanted to share a testimony. Over the past 13 years we have been struggling with health and finances. I became very ill in 2008, with life threatening autoimmune disease. My husband had to stop working so he could take care of me and our son. We lost our health insurance and everything we owned. It was a hard time for us, I have a picture of Jesus that I ve know has been around since I can remember. I stood in front of the picture and Jesus why he had left me, well he says to me, I haven't left you.. you left me. I realize I was trying to control my situation so I put it all in Gods hands. Yes we still went through so much, but praise God things are changing we are getting a new home, money to take care of our family and bills. To anyone who may read this, PLEASE ALWAYS KEEP YOUR EYES ON GOD AND ALWAYS KNOW HE IS WITH YOU AND WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU

IF YOU HAVENT EXCEPTED HIM INTO YOUR HEART PLEASE DONT WAIT ANY LONGER.

We can't make it in this world without him

Do you think that we Live in A Fallen World ?

What does the WORD say about finding/knowing/receiving/understanding who, when, where, how, even why and knowing ypu've met the mate the Father has for you?

Some believe salvation can be lost. I don't because that would imply some type of condition is attached to it or works required. Where do AOG, among others, get this idea? I have been searching it out but can't find it plainly stated. I believe there is misinterpretation on the part if those who believe this lie.

Can someone please share where this wrong theory is supposedly found and how it came to be. AOG stems from Baptist and I know Baptists do not believe salvation can be lost.

Thank you!

Hello! Exactly. There is no righteousness in us , the keeping power belongs to the Lord as He is our righteousness. The Lord proves this by His peaceable Spirit in the saved man/woman.

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Good day all my brothers and sisters in the Lord,

Maybe this can be the new thread about Salvation. I guess the question being "if you can lose your Salvation". I very much enjoyed reading your five page comments on this Jesse. Which I do agree with also. As others brothers say Michael and Adam noting mainly I'd say about our free will. Which is true as God gave us the choice to choose our paths. As I also agree with your views.

I've been wanting to put my perception of this as I've seen the discussions. How I want to show my view of this is in the eyes of the Lord. Seeing that God knows everything. He knows the end before the beginning. He knows exactly who is going to be faithful, obedient, giving their lives to the Lord, and endure all the way to the end. There is no confusion or "what if's" in the Lord. So as it seems some may be saved today that may change in their destiny. Also as some are non-believers today may become the strongest Saint tomorrow.

The Lord knows His sheep as He searches hearts and knows us all. 1 Samuel 16:7.

Hopefully my comment may bring peace as weather we think it to be one way or the other. Those with a pure heart and who are truly devoted to the Lord shall endure till the end. 2 Timothy 2:19.

God Bless.

Hi Carlton,

Here's What being in the presence of believers want do.

Change the inner Man.

Galatians 5:22-24 (KJV) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

This fruit is interior, And should be the engine that drives a Christian to serving and righteous living. This is against our nature, ( THE NATURAL MAN. )

Fruit is virtue from being born again, connected to the TRUE VINE "EVERLASTING Life".

A non born again professor / false Christian only can control the exterior, and

Tries to clothe himself with righteousness.

Try to DO the right thing, SAY the right thing, But Love for the brothern, humility, Longsuffering, ect... is absent. Void of being regenerated by the spirit. Proud of his exterior work, Nothing on the inside.

That's what the Law couldn't do!

Jesus came to CHANGE the HEART, And the spirit guides us with passion, not by command.

God bless.

In 1494 the Slave Coast of "Afra" used to be named WHIDDAH Land. Which lines up with where the 2 ND hook of MACCABEES says the tribe of OUIDAH migrated to.

With that comment I feel the need to say that I had the holy spirit before I was baptized. It was the reason I was baptized in the first place... I had always been raised Baptist so i didn't want to be wrong and be baptized. One day I was thinking hard about being baptized and talking with lord as I always have. I realized I must have always had him with me and was looking for more to prove it. When here I was talking with him and knew it made me feel like a bright light. Honestly every time I talk to the lord I can feel him here. It's as if I have a bright light in my soul and the more I talk the brighter it gets. The feeling is as if you could float away! Instantly I remembered one of my favorite song as a child which was this Little light of mine.. Guys in that very moment I understood it all!! It's amazing how good and powerful our lord is! He is sooooo good all the time. I have always been blessed with being raised in a Christian family. He was always there and I had always known him. I just didn't know that everyone wasn't raised that way. So plz just sit and talk with our savior and discover your light! Because it's the most amazing relationship and we all should have that experience! Let it shine SO bright! He is the light and the way! So open your heart!

If you will put Amos 5:8 in the Search Box; it will show the scripture highlighted in yellow. Scroll down to the Commentary Box and read that. Click on Other discussion for that verse. Many of us commented on that scripture 11 months ago.

You can put that verse in Google like this: Amos 5:8 commentaries, or Amos 5:8 teachings

To see what scholars have thought that verse to mean. Definitely take some notes in a notebook.

If your KJV Bible has 'center of each page reference columns', that's what I use to follow scripture trails to additional info. Some are relevant to your search, and others aren't.

My phone is out of gas; catch up with you later.

1. SEARH BOX

2. Other Translations for Amos 5:8

3. Bible Commentary for Amos 5:8

4. Wesley's Notes for Amos 5:8

5. Other Discussion

This is Wesleys Comments

5:8 The seven stars - A constellation, whose rising about September was usually accompanied with sweet showers. Orion - Which arising about November brings usually cold, rains and frosts intermixt very seasonable for the earth. The shadow of the earth - The greatest adversity into as great prosperity. Dark with might - Changes prosperity into adversity. That calleth - Commands the vapour to ascend, which he turns into rain; and then pours from the clouds to make the earth fruitful.

Below this will be a link to other Discussions

I hope no one is disputing the body of Christ on this website.

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CAN SALVATION BE LOST?

May CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did FOREKNOW...

Very few will disagree that God creates every man; since, he created the reproductive process of man; therefore, he FOREKNOWS everyone.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did FOREKNOW, he did ALSO PREDESTINATE to be conformed to the IMAGE of his SON, that he might be the FIRSTBORN among many BRETHERN.

Romans 8:30 Moreover whom he did PREDESTINATE, them he also CALLED (presently God is ONLY CALLING those that will be PRIEST in HIS KINGDOM) (the servants in the kingdom will be called at the second resurrection), and whom he CALLED, them HE JUSTIFIED: and whom he JUSTIFIED, them he also GLORIFIED.

Ezekiel 5:3 Thou shall also take thereof a FEW in number ....

Ezekiel 5:4 Then take of them again, and cast them into the midst of the FIRE (IN CHRIST; Hebrews 12:29), and burn (purify; Malachi 3:2-3) them in the FIRE (IN Christ); for thereof (the Priest) shall a FIRE (the saints judging the world; Revelation 21:8) come forth to the house of Israel.

NO ONE is going to alter GOD's PLAN; whatever God PREDESTINED that you are going to do in his kingdom, YOU WILL DO.

All is the works of God; he uses man to do the labour.

1 Peter 1:2

Ephesians 1:5

Romans 9:13

John 5:70

Ephesians 1:4

Hi

The Holy Spirit spoke to me and I spoke back ...a few days later my whole life changed I no longer have the Spirits peace and comfort but.. fear and trembling I

Unable to sleep, a lack of love as my hart has been hardened over the months

I have a good wife and 3 teenage kids

Who I love dearly.. but can feel it anymore

I have to take medicine to function..

When I get as in the midst of sinning th spirit said "you will loose blessings "

and I unfortunately said back so what's going to happen...

I've been a Christian for 25 years, my poor family..

I feel I've committed the unpardonable sin

Any help?

Thank you Ray

Does God really punish people who repeat the same sins over?

why did God harden the heart of photo between each plage

Dear brethren, For meditation. How can a brother caught in a fault (like offense) be helped and restored while the brother can walk across the street and join a separate group of believers because his salvation is secure? In this example this brother may carry this un-dealt with offense all the way to the grave while claiming as part of his knowledge of salvation at Calvary that he once had peace with God and man by the presence of the Holy Ghost.

Hi Michael,

I Think we should start a thread on Salvation, and track God's plan of salvation all the way back to Genesis

and see how we received it, Then we would be able to minister to one another in a more virtuous debate. I think readers benefit more spiritually understanding salvation and obedience, sanctification, fruitfulness, Rather than worrying about losing something he might not even have!!

Sadly i know of more than one incident where some one has joined a congregation ,confessed their faith and been baptised for the sole purpose of pleasing their potential spouse ,they say all the right things and then some where down the line ,after marriage ,they confess that they never really believed or even understood the Truth .

Hi Michael.

Here's the issue with what you stated.

"becomes a hater of God - and remains firmly in that state for the rest of his life - will no longer be able to be saved. There is no more forgiveness for them."

That's not in the verses we're discussing.

If it was I would say that person was never saved, He was Enlightened, "The Word was brought to him but he never truly was converted. I believe as Jesse believes Enlightening doesn't mean the receiver accepted it.

However I believe These were believers because of previous verses.

Hebrews 3:1. Wherefore, ( HOLY BRETHREN,)

partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

And also they were on need of Milk instead of meat. ( Milk is for babies in Christ. not for sinners. Sinners need light.

I think verses 7,8 and 9 speaks of Maturity and fruit.

I don't believe the Issue is Salvation, In Hebrews 6. and NO you can't loose your Salvation.

God bless.

I pray for my son and family I pray will guide me in all I do and say

I need prayer for my kidneys I'm n kidney failure, I agree n prayer n The name of Jesus Christ, my Lord and Savior

Please pray for myself and my daughters Deanna and Jessica and there family

please pray for Kristie and myself

when there is abuse are we still required to obey our parents. is their any stipulations when we are not to obey are parents except for if they are leading us wrong in our belief of GOD and other reasons not to obey our parents. that is all i have to say about this topic when you know and don't see leaders obeying GOD and living by the bible KJV are you still to reference them and obey them when they are calling you a lier about something you know from GOD are you to obey them when you don't see the fruits of the HOLY GHOST are you still to obey them if they are telling you what to do and they have lied to your face and told you they never said what they said.

wondering about this.

Earl,

A Biblical study on the 2 resurrections provides a generous amount of insights, rather than point blank omissions.

The first resurrection is only of the house of Israel; no where is Judah mentioned. It's the lost sheep whom Jesus first set out after, the house of Israel buries the bones of Gog for seven months. ( Ezekiel 39:12) The tribes of Levi, Benjamen, and Judah, 12,000 each have converted to the Lord Jesus Christ. They are the remnant of Israel.

Some like to imagine being part of the first resurrection, but the likelihood of that happening is slim to none. The only ones ever mentioned as "first fruits" are the one hundred forty four thousand, elect.

The second resurrection: ( Ezekiel 37:1-14) solidifies the order and nature of the resurrections. Here we see dry bones from the house of Israel and Judah stand up together as the whole house of Israel. The house of Judah was never part of the first resurrection, as those from the house of Israel were. This represent the second resurrection allegory of Israel.

The second resurrection begs the need for a new earth and new heavens for billions of people entering...souls.

You can disagree with anything I've said. If you have better insight, please share.

What does "as above, so below mean"?

Hello Jesse. Thank you for taking the time to share more explicitly about that great Truth - I fully agree with what you wrote: the impossibility of a truly born again person, baptized in & filled with God's Holy Spirit, to ever find in his heart to want to leave the wonder & experience of a divine change of heart & mind, and want to turn back to the weak & beggarly things of the past life ( Galatians 4:6-9).

But for any here who will continue to maintain that our understanding is incorrect, I would then explain vv 4-6 in this way: the Hebrews writer is sharing an 'impossible' scenario. "It is impossible" because of the 'impossibility' to re-crucify Jesus again (& maybe, again & again), putting the whole blessed, final work of God for our salvation into a disgraceful mess & shame. And since that is an impossibility (that a true believer who has received the goodness of Heaven) to again shame the Lord, the Hebrews writer quickly expresses, "But (I) am "persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation" (verse 9).

So why should he write this in the first place? For the very purpose of this letter: to show to these believers who were largely saved from judaistic legalism & error, that Jesus Christ & the merits of His Cross cannot be lightly regarded, even as seen by His exemplary Character (as written right throughout Hebrews): Him being far superior to any prophet, the angels, even Moses, by His Priesthood & by the Power of Faith, Hope & Love He gave to us. So, if some say that these are saved people in vv 4-6, then the writer is saying that such a situation cannot arise, since an apostate would have to re-crucify Christ to be saved again - which thing IS an impossibility ( Romans 6:10). And the RC belief in the Eucharist & Transubstantiation are related here.

So your word is correct Jesse: these were not believers spoken about because such a scenario cannot happen, rather the writer was persuaded that the believers' faith was genuine & strong.