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Hi Michael,

I agree with you on not having to keep the "7th day Sabbath". Another verse I came across tonight to back that is Galatians 4:9-11. I don't know if I understand correctly your statement of "we are commanded the opposite". As I stated, my feeling, that to follow Christ is to be Holy as He is Holy as in 1 Peter 1:14-17, Hebrews 12:14. To strive to keep every day Holy retaining the Lord in us. That following love from a pure heart is what makes God our Father and Christ happy 1 Peter 1:22-23.

To the Ten Commandments. Like I stated I believe they are good and are throughout the NT, as to follow them, though all spread out. Here is one actually discerning it as a commandment of the OT Ephesians 6:1-2. Here are the rest in different places. Romans 1:28-32, Galatians 5:19-21, 2 Timothy 3:1-5, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Colossians 3:1-10. As you are able to go through all those epistles of the NT and see it notes the same things the Ten Commandments tells to us to stay away from. Even more as some are in the Mitzvot laws. As stated there are a lot that are void though just letting the Spirit guide you, you can see the ones that are moral and righteous.

Love from a pure heart is above all and shall never fail Colossians 3:12-17. Walking in the Spirit producing good fruit for the Lord. To keep us from the temptations and lusts of the flesh which leads to sin. Which no one is perfect and may slip and fall. To be vigilant and confess our sins in prayer they shall be forgiven. Though we are to strive to stay away(repent) from sin in our walk with the Lord to be Holy in this temple He has Blessed us with.

Just to make clear if anyone may perceive I'm stating that "good works" is what saves us. That is not true and not what I'm stating. Though we are called by God through Christ to good works Ephesians 2:10. Showing our faith and newness of life in the Lord. All glory to our Father and Jesus Christ. Amen.

God Bless you Michael.

Thank you Glenn. I will look at it when I get the time & will certainly follow his message with the Word. I'll get back to you, no doubt with some comments.

There are many ways to remove scriptures from the Bible , and they have been doing it for centuries.

The most common way today and you can go on almost any web site

It's through the word search , they do not include all words and verses where they can be found .

Many people do not read the Bible in book form and miss out on many verses that do not show up in word searches.

I highly recommend reading the Bible in a systematic way rather than through word searches jumping around the Bible . But word searches are convenient but also incomplete.

Thank you Pat, I did go over the Exodus 20 passage you gave. I had to go over it several times, & for the life of me, I can't see "Christ's Name, title and domain" in that passage. I even went to the Hebrew to verify the matter, & even that shows the Name of Yahweh even as verse 10 shows "the LORD thy God". So if there's a Seal in those verses, it isn't evident at all.

Secondly, the Commandments were given to Israel for their explicit direction & obedience. Then what bearing have those commandments have on me, a Gentile? If you feel however, that as a Christian I must then come under the Law that I might then find grace through faith to be accepted of God, then there are ample Scriptures to refute that. But I would also direct you to Acts chapter 15 where this very matter was of great concern. Some were preaching the necessity of circumcision before receiving salvation. Paul, Barnabas, Peter & James spoke on this. The final word was that Gentiles were not required to be circumcised nor to come under the Law (verses 23 to 31), but had to be careful on those parts of the commandments that pertained to eating food offered to idols, consuming blood & fornication. But verse 24 "to be circumcised or keep the Law, we gave no such commandment".

Thirdly, the Sabbath was to be observed by Israel as a day of rest, even as God rested from His Works - thus He hallowed it (made it a holy day, sanctified, set it apart). It was just a day of rest & given for possibly the following reasons: for Israel to trust Him to provide for that day; to rest the body from a working week of six days; to focus on the Lord & not be overcome with work & life's distractions. Indeed, both the Decalogue (including Sabbath) & circumcision marked out Israel as God's peculiar people, which no other nation received.

Fourthly, to take this 4th Commandment & then give it a special status above the other nine, even to implying it as the seal of God rather than from the Holy Spirit, is disturbing. GBU.

I love discussing the Bible. I see this scripture as saying that greed steals the life away of the one who is greedy. Working to amass wealth requires dedication, sacrifice, and for most compromise of morality and integrity. We lose our life because our focus is not on God. Some deemed as workaholics will spend their who life at the job. They are quick to sell away their life motivated by the greed of gain.

I want what God wants.I pray for my husband's health, for protection of the family and our family, for strength th face the challenges as our parents age, and first and foremost my prayer is for the lost! I pray for peace for Israel and that God will make me a vigilant and successful prayer warrior. Thank you!

Reading Jeremiah 44:17, do you think this was where the hail mary (catholic) use began?. To me it looks like it, confirm.

What was Daniel's ages when he was taken from Judah to Babylon?

What age was Daniel's age when he interpreted the hand writing on the wall for Belshazzar?

Hi Bronc.

Please give us the verse that's missing on the Kjv Website.

Thanks

Hello Dan. Thank you for your comments.

A person cannot judge another man for not keeping the Sabbath in the Christian Church under the New Covenant. Under the Old Covenant, a person was required to judge such a person and stone them to death.

However, in the New Covenant given to the Christian Church, the Elders of a Church are indeed required to judge a man who is sinning such as by committing fornication.

At 1 Corinthians 5:1-13, there is a case of a man who is living in a state of sexual immorality. The Apostle Paul tells the Elders of that Church to judge and disfellowship that individual. Notice:

1 Corinthians 5: 12, 13 "For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person."

That unrepentant, sinful person had to be judged and be thrown out of the Church. Yes, those who break the serious laws of the New Covenant, such as fornication - a serious sin - were judged and expelled.

However, no Christian could be judged for not keeping the Sabbath since the Sabbath was only given to Israel in the Old Covenant. The Apostle Paul and the other Apostles never commanded the Church to keep the Sabbath. If the Sabbath was that important, why would he not do so? Colossians 2:14-16 explains why. I invite you to read it.

As for Matthew 5:18, I would suggest you also read the other portion of that statement recorded at Luke 16:16:

Luke 16:16 "The law and the prophets were UNTIL John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it."

The Old Covenant was until John. Then, Jesus at his death with his blood, instituted the New Covenant or New Testament - laws found in the books of Romans to Revelation to the Christian Church - the so-called New Testament.

I would also invite you to read Jeremiah 31:31-33 and Luke 22:20.

Why fast? A sign of giving to the Lord in hopes for his glory? Going to assume so.

Hello Dan.

I would suggest that the "commandments" referred to in 1 John 5:2, 3 are not the 10 commandments nor the Mosaic Law commandments. If that were so, then Christians would be obligated to circumcise their children as per God's commandment at Leviticus 12:3. The New Testament said that circumcision is not required at Acts 15. Yet, that was a commandment of God. If we are to obey all God's commandments, then why do we not go up to Jerusalem three times a year as was commanded by God's commandment at Deuteronomy 16:16. Why do we not stone adulterers and adulteresses as commanded by God at Leviticus 20:10. That was his commandment.

I would suggest that the "commandments" of God referred to at 1 John 5:2, 3 are the New Covenant commandments that were given to the Church through the Apostles via revelations such as to the Apostle Paul and inspiration as others wrote the New Testament - Romans to Revelation. In those instructions, we are never commanded to keep the Sabbath Day holy nor to keep the kosher laws. In fact, we are commanded the opposite:

Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"

Therefore, Christians do not obey the Old Covenant Mosaic Law given to ancient Israel but only to the New Covenant Laws given to the Church via the Apostles through the epistles of Romans to Revelation. Jeremiah had prophesied such at:

Jeremiah 31:31, 32 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: NOT according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

Hi Chris. Ok Read Exodus 20: 8-11. in reference to the seal of God. Verse 11 bears the seal of God. It shows Christ's name, title and domain (Jesus or Lord, creator and heaven and earth). Just like a Justice of the peace. His/seal bears the name, title and district, parish or state. Revelation 14:9-11. The mark of the beast is the changing of God's Sabbath to Sunday by the beast power, Rome. It actually is the very thing they claim shows their authority is higher than that of God's word. Why does God tell us such terrible things will happen to those who receive this mark? God does not punish someone for breaking a law that he honestly knows nothing about, and never has a chance to learn about. The final test will be set up with two choices; obey God and keep His 7th Day Sabbath, be persecuted by man and be saved or obey man-made laws to force people to keep Sunday and receive the seven last plaques and be loss. Get a hold of this book National Sunday Law and read prayerfully. Stay bless and be bless.

Christians are no longer under the Old Covenant Laws (the 10 commandments followed by approximately another 600 laws). Jeremiah prophesied:

Jeremiah 31:31, 32 "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

You will notice that the New Covenant would NOT be like the Old Covenant. The New Covenant was inaugurated by the shed blood of Christ as per:

Luke 22:20 "Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you."

Under this New Covenant, the Laws being stipulated namely in Romans to Revelation, we are never commanded to keep the Sabbath Day holy. In fact, we are commanded the opposite.

Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"

Before the Mosaic Law was given at the time of the exodus from Egypt, the Bible never says that the faithful kept the Sabbath Day - whether that be Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, etc. Notice when the Sabbath was given and to whom:

Nehemiah 9:13, 14 "Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments: And madest known unto them thy holy sabbath, and commandedst them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the hand of Moses thy servant:

Ezekiel 20:10-12 Wherefore I caused them to go forth out of the land of Egypt, and brought them into the wilderness. And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them. Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them...

The word "them" is referring to ancient Israel.

43 v 10 ,11 ,12,13

Verse 12 when there was no strange god among you .

The Lord only works within holiness .

Bill,

Shiloh was located approximately 25 miles north of Jerusalem.

Hello Chris, I can point you in different directions and they all lead to a world wide Sunday law. However I will make it simple and if this video does not make you think . What would? Try watching on YouTube...Charlie's d brooks the mark of the beast.....1 hr 10 min of your time with lots of bible references. The first 15 minutes it may not seem to be going anywhere but hang in there. Charles is no relationship to me.

Jesus' blood does save but notice...

1 John 1:7 "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."

This verse reminds us that the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanses us from all sin IF we walk in the light. Thus, if we do not walk in the light but rather walk in darkness, that blood does not cleanse us from all sin and save us.

Acts 5:32 "And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him."

This verse reminds us that the Holy Spirit is given to them who obey God. Those who do not obey God will have that Spirit removed from them. Thus, they lose the Spirit and lose God's favor and expression of undeserved kindness or grace. That leads to destruction.

Galatians 6:7, 8 "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Brother Dan, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Luke 5:39 No man also having drunk OLD WINE straightway desireth NEW (wine): for he saith, THE OLD IS BETTER.

John 2:1 And THE THIRD DAY (represents Christ resurrection) there was a MARRIAGE IN CANA OF GALILEE.....(represents New Jerusalem)

John 2:2 And BOTH Jesus was called, and his disciples, TO THE MARRIAGE.

John 2:3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, THEY HAVE NO WINE.

John 2:9 .... and the governor (God the Spirit) of the feast called (CHRIST) the bridegroom,

John 2:10 And saith unto him....but thou has kept the good wine until NOW.

The old (wine: laws written in tablets of natural stone) were replaced by new (wine) laws written in the heart.

Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shall love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Matthew 22:38 This is the first and GREATEST COMMANDMENT.

Matthew 22:39 And the SECOND is like unto it, thou shall LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF.

Matthew 22:40 ON these TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG all the law and prophets.

Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart will I GIVE you, and a new spirit will I put in you....

Ezekie 36:27 ....and CAUSE YOU to walk in my statutes....

Hello S Spencer.

Thank you for your insightful comments. I enjoyed reading them. Quite accurate.

Many who quote Matthew 5:17-19 fail to notice an important point, namely, Jesus said, "till all be fulfilled".

Matthew 5:18 "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

The Mosaic Law was fulfilled in Jesus Christ once he died and was resurrected. His death put to death the Mosaic Law as recorded at:

Colossians 2:14-16: "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days."

Romans 7:6 "But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter."

Romans 10:4 "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."

Many who quote Matthew 5:17-19 often do not notice what Jesus said in the parallel account at:

Luke 16:16 "The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it."

There, Jesus said further that the law, that is, the Mosaic Law, was UNTIL John. After John, it would be the New Covenant that was inaugurated by Jesus' shed blood. (See Luke 22:20.)

Thus, 1 John 5:2, 3 and all other verses in the New Testament (Romans to Revelation), referring to God's commandments, does not refer to the 10 commandments nor the Mosaic Law commandments but only to the laws of the New Covenant (Romans to Revelation). In that New Testament Law, no instruction is ever made to keep the Sabbath Day or to circumcise all males, etc.

I share these thoughts with you and hope you enjoy them.

I need prayer for my soul and that i would be able to follow gods will and path without being told too. I'd like prayer so that when the rapture happens i won't be here mourning and regretting not doing God's will. If this is possible i would be happy if my prayer request could be accepted.

Adam.

I'm sorry but I left out "not" in this sentence towards the end.

All the Glory to God, We obey from the heart the Laws of God, NOT by command.

Talk to you later my friend, I'm struggling with this multitasking.

God bless.

Amen Come Lord Jesus!!! He can't come soon enough!! There is too much evil in this world today. The truth is scary...only the Lord can fix this...no man should be called on to correct the problems we face today ... for they know what their plans are! He is waiting for YOU to call on HIM! He is our only hope.

Hebrews 10:24-29. And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

For if we sin WILFULLY after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Our position in Christ oppose to those in the flesh/unsaved-

- Romans 8:6-13. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

""BUT IF THE SPIRIT OF HIM THAT RAISED UP JESUS FROM THE DEAD DWELL IN YOU, HE THAT RAISED UP CHRIST FROM THE DEAD SHALL ALSO QUICKEN YOUR MORTAL BODIES BY HIS SPIRIT THAT DWELLETH IN YOU.""

Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

The 1st Adam a living soul. "flesh

The 2nd Adam a life giving spirit.

All the Glory to God, We obey from the heart the Laws of God by command.

written in our fleshly hearts.

God bless.

Hi Sammy,

I'm sorry but I don't understand your statement. Could you be more clear with me what you meant? Thank you.

God Bless.

It is like Jesus is sitting right beside me (Holy Spirit) opening my eyes to how this is speaking about this present day. Thank the Lord for opening my eyes and heart to the blessed word of our Lord. Thanks be to God for giving His Son to save us in this present time! Pray that the Lord will change the hearts of many.

Verse 1.39

Who is running your church ?

Jesus or devils ?

Another from Chris.

Thank you Michael for that clear & concise response. If the foundations of biblical teaching or doctrine are not properly laid, the building cracks will develop & bring destruction. I find that many Christians, whether because of Church teaching or from their own surmisings, look at Scriptures such as John 14:15 & immediately apply the obedience to the Law for all people, that which was given only to Israel.

To do so, several things have to be overlooked or rejected: to whom was God speaking in the OT & to whom was Jesus speaking prior to His crucifixion? Only to Israel, none else. Gentiles weren't even in the picture pertaining to the Law & never have been. What was the reason for giving the Law? God's code of conduct (spiritual, moral & social) for His people, His Mark of separation from the heathen - Leviticus 26:46, (as also with circumcision: Genesis 17:10), & to demonstrate to Israel a godly standard that as sinners they could never fully obey ( Galatians 3:21-26).

But then we get verses such as Matthew 5:17-19 which are often used to support the eternal nature & applicability of the Law to all people. To those under the Law, indeed, the Law is current & will be used against them. To those who have escaped the curse of the Law & have found new life in Christ, have learned that Christ has indeed fulfilled all the Law, forever abrogating it & thru His Death ushered in a new & better Covenant ( Hebrews 8:6-13).

What then do we do with Scriptures (e.g. 1 John 5:2,3) that say we must obey God's commandments? Are John & others pointing the believer back to the letter of the Law that kills or rather to the Spirit Who gives life ( 2 Corinthians 3:6)? It is the Spirit's Law in our hearts that frees us from the Law of sin & death ( Romans 8:2). To give consent to both, that which is opposed to each other, weakens (even negates) the power of the New Covenant through Christ's Blood & the keeping of the Sabbath ever stands as a centrepiece to

Helll everyone.. this is my beautiful testimony of how God changed my life !

I was raised in Christian home. My parents were both saved and they loved Jesus Christ so much! I loved their zeal as a child and they always taught us that God was the most important thing than anything in our lives.

Though I was brought in a loving home, there were times where my mother took me and my younger siblings around her family. She didn't know their intentions, but between the ages of 4-10 I was molested and raped by many of my cousins. This led to so many poor choices I made in my life.

I was addicted to all types of pornography, sex, I was very disrespectful to my parents, prideful and I hurt others in ways unimaginable.

I was a very hurt kid growing up.. but God always called me through my parents. My desire to live in the world was much bigger than living for Jesus. It wasn't until i made the biggest mistake in my life by giving my virginity willfully. After that I lived with a lot of shame and guilt depression.. God started to do something through me though. Between the years of 2017-2018 God took everything away from me in order for me to hear his voice. He told me that many things I've done was wrong and if I didn't repent I would make it into heaven. It was out of fear first that I repented.. but after finding about God the more I spent time with him I desired a relationship with him.. 2 months later he saved me and filled me with his spirit. Today I'm healed ! Because of what Jesus has done for me. He has changed me and made me into a new creature and for all who don't believe in Christ I can tell you that I'm a loving testimony that he is real. God bless

Adam, I just realized I left half of the reply off.. Here's what I meant to send.

Romans 6:1-2 (KJV) What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?