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I'm sorry Sacha: and why is this Scripture given to me? If you are thinking that the Scripture is intended to show that God will do nothing about those who have rejected Him & therefore just leave them in the grave, then I don't believe that this indicates this at all. But then again, I might be mistaken by your intentions, so I apologize for writing my next paragraph (which may not be what you're wanting).

So here goes: Amos 3:7 read in context from the beginning of the chapter, tells us about Amos' rebuke against Israel: just as a lion doesn't roar when hunting for its prey; as a lion cub won't cry out if it is satisfied with food; as a bird can't be snared if there is no trap; as a (warning) trumpet will not sound if there is no danger to the people - so too with God - He will remain quiet ("He will do nothing") to His people, but will reveal His secrets (or, His intentions) to His prophets. So the message here is that when the prophet (of God) is commanded to speak by God, the people better sit up & listen hard, as the judgement of God is about to fall upon them.

If this is not what you are anticipating, then please write further. Thank you.

Alec, I believe that Genesis 6:3 applies to the time limit God had set before the Earth would be destroyed by the Great Flood. This is not to say that it took Noah 120 years to have the Ark built as we would have to take into account the birth of his sons, their marriages & the gathering of the animals & their food to be loaded into the Ark. Some who have patiently counted out the passage of time, have concluded that it took Noah approximately 55 to 75 years to build the Ark & the remaining time taken to those other matters I've given above.

However, God has not indicated to us in the Bible the number of our remaining days before He will consume this old Earth, not by flood, but by fire ( 2 Peter 3:7,10). Unlike those in Noah's day who had 120 years to repent but chose to scoff at God's Word, God through His Living Word, Jesus Christ, has given mankind many, many more years to repent before the Age of Grace ends with the burning up of all things stained with corruption. Let us rejoice that the Lord has enlivened our hearts to receive that life saving Word granting us entrance to eternal life.

Amen Carleton and Chris.

I believe Homosexuality and same sex marriage has overtaken the nation to where its the norm, And being legalized by the government that is when our cup is filled!!

Not to mention abortion!!

We have a lot of blood on our hands from the beginning,

Unrepentant Homsexuals is going to have a lot of company in Hell.

And prayer, how important is that?!

We have taken it out of school!!

"All" this dark world will be under judgment,

"We the Church" is to be a light to lead people out of darkness.

But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

1 Peter 2:9.

We're strangers and pilgrims. We should walk that way, but the world, Apostasy, and pride has crept in the Church.

Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall. Proverbs 16:18

We parallel with Sodom in more ways than just Homosexuality. Look at the sins of Sodom here in

Ezekiel 16:49-50.

Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

God has never done more for a nation than what he done for Israel, but look what he says about Israel.

Ezekiel 16:48. As I live, saith the Lord GOD, Sodom thy sister hath not done, she nor her daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy daughters.

They had written laws by the hand of God that had no need to be AMENDED!. Laws written on stone condemned the word!!

Us like them started with written laws we never held true to.

But now we have in the Church what the world nations never had and never will,

THE HOLYSPIRIT IN US. A Royal priesthood, A Holy Nation, Called out of darkness into his marvellous light.

God bless you brothers.

God is so good to me and He blesses those around me. I love our creator and the amazing miracles he performs in my life and in the lives of my loved ones. We all go through trials and trubulations and He is ALWAYS there. He NEVER gives up on us. Jesus, my savior;God my father. My hope is in Him, my life is His. Thank you Yahweh. You are my anchor, my rock and on the solid rock I stand.

Brother Chris, I held back from writing the same thought in

Matthew 5:13-16 ,that you would confirm this in me as also one in Truth.

Thank you very much for all your time replying with me brother Earl. As the ways of God are far surpassing what I could fully understand. I truly am a baby in Christ. Though I am His for eternity and all I want to do is His Will and make our Lord happy.

I very much appreciate all you have shared with me Earl.

May our Father pour His Blessings upon you my brother.

Thank you for your reply my brother Earl,

I very much appreciate your time. As your reply lead me to do some reading about the "resurrections". Us in Christ being part of the first resurrection having no part in the lake of fire or "second death". Revelation 20:6.

As our Lord Jesus Christ being raised from the dead is our confirmation that there shall be a resurrection of our actual physical bodies. Acts 17:24-31.

In that the second resurrection is for all the people quoted in Revelation 21:8 as you stated. Those who are not with Christ.

As you have stated before "all shall worship God" with Scripture of it. As it is detailed in the Book of Enoch this is also correct though it shall not save them. From the second death or the lake of fire.

62.5 And one half of them will look at the other, and they will be terrified, and will cast down their faces, and pain will take hold of them when they see that Son of a woman sitting on the throne of His Glory.

62.6 And the mighty kings, and all those who possess the earth, will praise and bless and exalt Him who rules everything that is hidden.

62.7 For from the beginning that Son of Man was hidden, and the Most High kept Him in the presence of His power, and revealed Him only to the chosen.

62.9 And all the mighty kings, and the exalted, and those who rule the dry ground, will fall down before Him, on their faces, and worship; and they will set their hopes on that Son of Man, and will entreat Him, and will petition for mercy from Him.

62.10 But the Lord of Spirits will then so press them that they will hasten to go out from before Him, and their faces will be filled with shame, and the darkness will grow deeper on their faces.

Do you agree with these Scriptures?

As I also just want to be clear in what you believe the "second death" is. That this is where those souls/spirits will be separated from God, and us, for eternity? Or something else?

Thank you brother Earl.

Brother Richard, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

If were are judged by Christ, sanctified by Christ, justified by Christ, cleansed by Christ, saved by Christ and our God is a consuming fire; therefore we have our part in the lake of fire or the fire of the Lord.

Being one with Christ we also become the fire of the Lord. Those in the second resurrection are going to be judge by fire (us). They will be resurrected in TORMENTS not having living water.

Zachariah 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto (new) Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of host, even upon them SHALL BE NO RAIN (living water).

Amos 8:11 Behold the days comes, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of (natural) bread, nor a thirst for (natural) water, but of hearing the WORDS OF GOD (living bread and living water)

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Hi Carleton, as I read your worthy comments & considered the world's condition & the temporal residence of the believer here, the verses that continually came to mind are in Matthew 5:13-16:

"Ye are the SALT of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men. Ye are the LIGHT of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."

Regardless of far removed the world has gone from the holy requirements of the Lord, as children of the Light we must continue to beam out its rays to a world overcome in darkness. The world must never lose that witness of God's Presence & Love that they may come to know Him & have a mighty standard before them to reveal their gross errors & departure from the Truth. However, with the Church at large resembling more of the world than the Holy Body of Christ (by its Love, Purity & sharing the Gospel), the focus ought to be turned upon ourselves first to see how dim our light beam has become & how savourless our lives have been to the world. God will use our lives to be witnesses of His Grace but unless we walk as children of that Light & affecting the world around us in some way, our lives are near to being useless & all we do is to live for our comfort & security in our 'holy huddles', alienating ourselves from a desperate dark perishing world. We ought to "be hated of all men" - then we know that the world of darkness is being shaken by God's Light. But unfortunately, we prefer to be loved by all. Every blessing to you brother in the Truth.

You're welcome

Richard..

Brother Richard, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

The lake of fire is the same thing; that, in the Old Testament was called the Fire of the Lord. Natural eyes see this as literal fire; but is it?

Judges 6:20 And the angel of the Lord said unto him, take the flesh and unleavened cakes (represents us) and lay them upon this rock (represents Christ), and pour out the broth And he did so.

Judges 6:21 Then the angel of the LORD put forth the end of the staff that was in his hand, and touched the flesh and unleavened cakes (US), and there rose up fire from OUT OF THE ROCK (OUR GOD IS A CONSUMING FIRE), and consumed the flesh and unleavened cakes (US).

Zachariah 14:12 ......Their flesh shall consume away while they stand on their feet....

Revelation 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword (is the word of GOD, God is FIRE) of him upon the horse, which sword (WORD) proceeded out of his mouth; and all the fowls were filled with their (own) flesh.

To understand who the fowls are; we have to go to the parable of the sower of the seed.

Luke 8:5 A sower went out to so his seed; and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the FOWLS OF THE AIR devoured it.

Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this: THE SEED IS THE WORD OF GOD.

Luke 8:12 Those by the way side are those that hear, then cometh the devil (fowls or the air)....

Luke 13:19 It (kingdom of heaven; Christ in you) is like a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and cast into his garden; and it grew, and waxed a great tree; and the fowls of the air (devil) lodged therein.

John 15:5 I am the vine; ye are the branches (where the fowls lodge)...

Psalms 104:12 By them shall the fowls of the air have their habitation, which sing among the branches.

Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out DEVILS by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God (CHRIST IN YOU) is come unto you.

We are made of this same Earth, breathed to life with Spirit, not with earth. After watching some elders on a slow-decline that always start a year after beginning therapy, I do not consider it a coincidence that Statin and Satan are such similar words.

Question how is this a prayer to dry up blood do not understand the chapter. Praying for wisdom.

Brother Richard, may CHRIST IN US grace us with his wisdom and His understanding.

There is two groups of people in God's Kingdom. The ones being called NOW; resurrected with Christ, will be the ROYAL PRIESTHOOD.

Revelation 5:10

Daniel 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, SHALL BE GIVEN to the people of the saints (priest) of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and ALL DOMINIONS SHALL SERVE AND OBEY HIM (being made one with Christ they will obey us also).

Those raised at the second resurrection are the ones under the authority of God's priest and judges.

Revelation 2:26-27

Psalms 2:8-10

Revelation 3:9

Psalms 149:9

I need a prayer to get a job, to rebuke spirit of negativity, to seek to God more and to believe in me.

Brother Richard, it should be Psalms 24:9 Lift up your heads, O ye gates, even lift them up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in (to new Jerusalem).

Thank you for your reply earl. I like that about us being the precious stones. One thing is the Psalms verse you quoted about the one pearl. Seems to be a little typo as Psalms 23 only goes up to verse 6. I'm interested in the verse you have for that.

As we are the tabernacle of God where He dwells. Revelation 21:3. If I may ask one question. In Revelation 21:7-8. How God speaks of two "groups" of people. They that overcometh which are His. Then basically the wicked who have their part in the lake of fire. How do you perceive this?

As you stated Revelation not being "literal" (which shall disappear or pass away). I understand as those things being in the Spirit world and not of this physical world which is all vanity. The breadth of God. Job 34:14-15.

God Bless.

Brother Richard, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Thank you for looking up the word "torments."

Matthew 4:24 And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and TORMENTS, and those that were possessed with devils, and those that were lunatick, and those that had the palsy, AND HE HEALED THEM.

Luke 16:23 And in hell (grave) he lift up his eyes, being in TORMENTS and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Luke 16:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of TORMENT.

1 Corinthians 15:55 O death, where is thy sting, O grave (hell), were is thy victory?

If I am not mistaken; the same Greek word is used in both Luke 16:23 and 1 Corinthians 15:55. Therefore; Christ, at his resurrection, had victory over both; DEATH and the GRAVE (hades) and HELL (hades).

I BELIEVE that both verse mean the grave. Death and the grave are the wages of sin.

Since Judah was the only one that had five brothers and the Pharisees claimed to be of the house of Judah. Jesus was telling the Pharisees the first will be last and the last will be first. They WOULD NOT be part of the first resurrection but would have to wait until the second resurrection. They would be in TORMENT(not having drank from the living water); but after the second resurrection they would be healed as described in Matthew 4:24.

Romans 11:26 And so all Israel SHALL BE SAVED.....

You are quite welcome Adam,

Nice. That site I usually use for paralleling verses from different versions of the Bible.

I agree with your perception on the "fear of God". When you are with the Lord and have a fear/reverence and pure love to Him. Being His precious child. Giving yourself to Him. There is nothing else to fear. Not even the devil himself.

God Bless.

Annet, you may be referring to Lilith found in some Jewish folklore, Sumerian and Babylonian stories. I believe she is described as some kind of demon of the night with the sound of a screech owl. You can google her name, but there is no evidence in scripture of her and Eve was Adams first and only wife by scripture. A lot of these myths were written from stories about the time of Nimrod like Gilgamesh, be careful it is a large rabbit hole.

God bless, Ron

Hi Sacha,

No problem, please don't take any of my replies harshly. We are conversing peacefully. Saying I don't understand why you quoted those verses to what I stated is that the Holy Bible teaches of a place of eternal torment, or simply hell, and this is not my own teaching(or commandment of men). It is from the Word of God. Also the verses from Revelation. A place of eternal torment is from the Scriptures. Those two contexts of questions was just to show how one way would do no wrong, in the end, and the other way would lead to damnation. The reason I believe in a "hell". Because of the Holy Bible.

Here's other verses not in the NT about this "place". Just to show there are records of this before the NT. From the Book of Enoch.

62.10 But the Lord of Spirits will then so press them that they will hasten to go out from before Him, and their faces will be filled with shame, and the darkness will grow deeper on their faces.

62.11 And the Angels of Punishment will take them so that they may repay them for the wrong that they did to His children and to His chosen ones.

63.10 Then they will say to them: "Our souls are sated with possessions gained through iniquity, but they do not prevent our going down into the flames of the torment of Sheol."

108.4 And there I saw something like a cloud, which could not be discerned, for because of its depth I was not able to look into it. And the flames of a fire I saw, burning brightly, and things like bright mountains revolved and shook from side to side.

108.5 And I asked one of the Holy Angels, who were with me, and I said to him: "What is this bright place? For there is no sky, but only the flames of a burning fire, and the sounds of crying, and weeping, and moaning, and severe pain."

108.6 And he said to me: "This place which you see; here will be thrown the spirits of the sinners, blasphemers, those who do evil, and of those who alter everything that the Lord has spoken through the mouths of the prophets. "



Amen

Richard, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS knowledge.

HEAVEN

Flesh sees everything as natural. Heaven to natural eyes is out there somewhere. In Revelation where new Jerusalem is described; flesh sees this as a literal city with literal mansions and literal streets and literal trees and literal rivers. Bodies that have been glorified don't need houses or streets or walls or gates. We are the houses (mansions) of God, we are the streets of gold, we are the foundations of the city, we are NEW JERUSALEM. Revelation describes the foundation as twelve precious and costly stones. We are those (living) ( 1 Peter 2:4) stones that make up the city of new Jerusalem. We are the gates made of one pearl ( Psalms 23:9). Revelation represents something that is not LITERAL (which shall disappears)

Hebrews 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, SIGNIFIETH the REMOVING of those things that are shaken, as of things that are MADE, that those things WHICH CANNOT BE SHAKEN REMAIN.

This is why you don't see prophecies of heaven; WE ARE HEAVEN, WHERE GOD DWELLS.

Luke 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven (you) shall be SHAKEN.

Job 38:13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the WICKED might be SHAKEN out of it?

Mark 13:25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

We are the stars of heaven (God's promise to Abraham that his seed would be as the stars of heaven)

The powers (of Satan that rules by natural flesh) in heaven (US) shall be SHAKEN (flesh will be destroyed and replaced by Spirit)

Revelation is all about the removing of the LITERAL and replacing with the SPIRIT.

A new heaven a new earth.

Hi Dennis.

Ephesians 5:9-13. (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)

Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

2 Corinthians 6:14-18. Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

However we are to minister the word to them.

I hope that helps,

God bless.

Great, thank you Richard.

What I was hoping to compare is the word for fear in 1 John 4:18 (perfect love cast out fear) vs. Luke 12:5 (fear him... who can cast you to hell).

So, I found Bible Hub has a Greek interlinear comparison and found the following:

1 John 4:18 (perfect love cast out fear): fear = Phobos/phobon (fear, terror, alarm; object or cause of fear; reverence, respect.

Luke 12:5 (fear him... who can cast you to hell): fear = phobthte (to frighten, be alarmed by. By analogy, to be in awe of; Revere.)

It appears to be the same root word, but just like in English its common to have different meanings for the same word, like the word 'conceive'. So, I believe at bare minimum fearing God means to be in upmost awe of and reverence. The context of being afraid of the one who can send you to hell seems to indicate a dose of real fear as well, maybe similar to a child being afraid when they risk doing something wrong and fear punishment by their parents, but I think this is different than fear/terror that perhaps is used in 1 John 4:18, that perfect love will get rid of that.

Interested if anyone else has another perspective on this.

The comment submitted by Norma Coleman on Psalms 32:8 is outstanding. This helps me see how awe-embracing the Lord is concerning the destiny of his children. Ms. Norma Coleman, I thank you and the Lord for a very heart-felt revelation.

Hi Laura,

No it's not. It's an outward expression of what Christ done on the Cross.

HI Annet,

Do you have a scripture to support the possibility of another woman before Eve?

Eve was Made from Adams rib, Why go through the trouble if Adam could have just Married her.

can u explain Revelation?

What are "Booths" Nehemiah 8: 14 thru 18

Also please show me where it is stated that common law is to use small case i, to represent a man as opposed to using a capital I, representing a legal person fiction