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Please show me where the accepting of a person is condemed

Hello Chris, I agree that things will not go well for an individual or individual's country the more they turn by the hardness of their hearts or agreements and promises of God. However, 1 Peter 2:9-12 , gives us a better hope and rest as well as expectation. We need as Christians to abstain from fleshly lusts to keep our stranger and pilgrim status and protect our soul from the world. The decay of the world in sin is expected because it is not our home because God gave His only Son for us who is in Heaven. So whom is the minority? the stranger or the worldling? But we as Christians can have an honest walk (our conversation) for the hope that they too may someday glorify God in the day of visitation. We as strangers and pilgrims are the chosen generation and the peculiar people and by our Faith we protect the world in time continuing for others like ourselves who were once in darkness to be called out of the same by repentance and faith. My belief is the more we participate in trying to outwardly hold the world in order the more we are quickening it's end and thereby upsetting the harvest.

So Genesis 6:3 , does it mean that there are 120 years until God destroys the earth, or that God has a mercy line and someone who knows the truth can only sin and neglect so great salvation for a set period that God only knows and that a person could find himself unable to repent even if wanting to, does this verse actually mean that there is a limit to which God will allow a person to refuse his calling.

Chris ,Amos ch3 v7 . Thats from the O.T.

Hi Richard in Christ , im very sorry if you dont understand my refference to your words : i just really see it as if we say there is a hell and there really isnt what wrong are we doing ? and Jesus saying : But in vain do they worship me ,teaching for doctrines the commandments of men ,and from revelation : For i testify unto every man that heareth the words if the prophecy of this book , If any man shall add unto these things ,God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book . Im very sorry if you cant see how your words are connected to these references .

To Janet, Sinning without repenting is how you lose your salvation, and yes the Word of God backs this up! Revelation 2:5 (Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.) There is a lot of false prophets that will tell you, no matter what you do once saved always saved, but God said in Ezekial 33:12 (Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.) Read that entire chapter, and listin to the Lord and believe him! God bless.

Then listen, for now you know the way.

Please pray for ex gf joyanti who I luv so much bt due to misunderstanding we broke. Bt I understand abt mistakes. Again I don't want to repeat same mistake. I completely lonliness n brokenness. I m trying to contact her bt she block my number. Everyday I miss her n I cry everyday. So much I luv her. Holy spirit inspired her n over come watever situation we face before n she ll understand how much luv her n miss her

Unknown at that time ,at that time ,God had a very up close and personal relationship with Israel ,He appeared to them often and spoke to them often throug signs and wonders and prophets ,do you think He would have kept something as important as that from His witnesses ? If yes ,why do you think He would have kept something as important as that from His witnesses ? Im giving up now ,i know what you think and i know what i know , i hope we can chat on a different subject some time ,love in Christ .p.s. Thats not a rhetorical question ,please answer if thats ok with you .

please keep myself and my daughters and there families in your prayers

Hi Sacha. You're bringing the OT to find justification for "eternal torture by hideous demons". And you're right, you won't find it here as that was unknown at that time. All that was quoted was the word 'sheol', which sometimes applied to hell or the grave and often, as in Psalm 37, the wicked will be "cut off" of suffer under the Hand of God. Nowhere do we see a Lake of Fire & eternal suffering.

And that is why we have all of Scripture to consider on this matter. If all we had was the OT, then I could well agree with you that death was our punishment & final resting place. But the NT, specifically Jesus' own Words while on Earth (the Gospels) & from Heaven (the Revelation), show us more of this place of punishment which wasn't revealed in its fullness in the OT.

And yet I thought further on this matter & the Gospel now given to us. Let's suppose, I, as an unbeliever was being witnessed to by you & you spoke to me about the life-changing, life-giving message of the Gospel through God's Son. You talked about the resurrection to eternal life & eternal bliss with God, forever enjoying God's Presence & Heaven's blessings. But I, as a hardened sinner, asked "what would happen if I enjoyed my sinful lifestyle as it gave me much pleasure & refused God's offer of salvation?" Of course, your response would be, "as an unrepentant sinner, rejecting God's offer of salvation, you would not be received into God's Kingdom & you wouldn't have eternal life". But I insist, "but what happens to me & those who refuse to accept Jesus as my Saviour?" Your answer would have to be, "you will remain in the grave, dead, & lost without any hope". And I would say, "well we all have to die & some of us (most of us) will just remain dead". Do you see what I'm saying Sacha? Death is not the punishment - we all have to experience it because we're sinners. The Gospel in its fullness is 'salvation through faith in Jesus Christ from both sin's penalty & eternal punishment'. They both go together.

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Re: the Lake of Fire. It is prepared for the Devil & his angels ( Matthew 25:41) but is also the place where all Christ-rejecters go to in the final judgement ( Revelation 20:10-15) & particularly verse 15, "whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." And that includes not only the Devil & his angels but also the anti-Christ, the false prophet & all mankind that were not found in the Book of Life.

"Who created such a place?" I would say that God has done this. "Who does "the torturing in hell?" No one - it is a place of continual fire where the act of dying is continual but death that is longed for never comes ( Mark 9:43-48).

And these are not parables by Jesus; Jesus is telling us what lies beyond the grave. And that is why Jesus came to die on our behalf: that we might be spared God's Judgement to enjoy new life on Earth & then eternity in His Presence. As I mentioned before, if just dying & returning to dust was our punishment, the Gospel would be practically meaningless, as we all have to die & enter into such a state of 'oblivion'. But Jesus says that some will awake to "the resurrection of life & some to the resurrection of damnation" ( John 5:29). There is no permanent middle ground at the graveside - we all have to go somewhere else - and that's why the Gospel is so special & precious: it saves a person entirely, both in this life and the next.

Hi Adam,

Just thought I'd look into the words for "fear" as you stated. The Hebrew seems to use two different words that are slightly different though close to the same word. "Yare" as "fearing; morally reverent, afraid" and "yirah" as "fear (also used as infinitive); morally reverence fear, terror, fearing, awesome or terrifying thing (object causing fear), fear (of God), respect, piety, revered".

The Greek words are "phobos" as "alarm or fright, fear, dread, terror, that which strikes terror, reverence for one's husband" and "phobeo" as "to frighten that is (passively) to be alarmed; by analogy to be in awe of that is revere, to reverence, venerate, to treat with deference or reverential obedience" simply.

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To respond to your questions Sacha: "The soul that sinneth it shall die, if I were not saved what would I prefer to happen to me after death, eternal infernal torture by some horrifying demon or to just cease to exist?" I believe that you're quoting from Ezekiel chapter 18; if so, then this chapter speaks about the punishment of a son for his father's sins. The answer is that each one is responsible for his own sins (verses 4 & 20). So the death spoken of here is not one of judgement in the afterlife but of punishment received now (i.e. the death sentence) for committing such sins as shown in this chapter. As well, you asked "what would I prefer to happen to me after death". I think we would all prefer to live in total happiness & bliss, but what we prefer to happen to us is not necessarily what God's Justice demands.

Indeed, the "dead know not anything" ( Ecclesiastes 9:5), & as we know that Book is essentially a discussion about life, its vanities & its inconsistencies. So yes, in the grave, the body is not only in decomposition but also has no mental activity - this is simply the state of the dead & not of judgement. The Jews indeed entered into a Covenant relationship with their Creator, but the same Jew has no recourse to that circumcision or to the Law that would usher him into God's Presence, if he chooses to reject the Sacrifice of God in Jesus. Both Jew & Gentile suffer the same fate because of Unbelief & Christ-rejection.

Hi Christopher,

As I can only really give you a simple answers to that question and how my journey started with the Lord.

Reading the Holy Bible is very much our food. I guess I would just say stay focused on reading your Bible and begin to pray to God normally. The closer you draw to God the closer He will draw to you.

I pray your faith and relations with Jesus Christ our Lord and our Father in Heaven grows fruitfully.

God Bless.

Hi my question is on once saved always saved . Some pastors / ministers of the gospel say yes you cannot loose your salvation . Others say you can loose your salvation once saved always saved is not biblical.

I just want the truth from the Word of God.

Which one does Gods word say . If your salvation is not secured in this life please explain the reasons you can lose your Salvation. Thank you God bless Yiu

I dont recall Jeremiah the prophet for this chapter to say God stepped in and into the body of King of Persia and people of Israel to build the house. It as if God is stepping in to put them back on track for failing and forsaking him after he had them delivered into the hands of King of Babylon and then inevitably to Persia.

When a government no longer has God's Word at its base & to be used for administering proper conduct & justice for its citizens, it has then descended into the deceptions & grips of Satan believing it is serving the people well.

And this applies not only to America which has had a strong foundation on God's Laws & some God-fearing men but to many other countries who are so deceived. When the voices of the people (often the minorities) move the government rather than the clear mandate from God & clear code of conduct for righteous living & governing no matter what the era, then society begins to collapse both morally & spiritually. And so what we have today are countries who believe that their citizens are now well served by fairness, equality, & opportunities for all, but care not at all for the real reasons for the rampant crime, breakdown of societal values, & complete disregard for the God Who was once permitted to fill the hearts & minds of His appointed leaders. It is very pleasing to see your strong stand Tomas, & your correct perceptions of depraved societies that we have now, glossed over with niceties that obscure their true condition.

Thank you for your detailed reply S Spencer.



God Bless you.

Hello Sacha,

No need to be sorry, you have created no havoc. As the "everyone is to be saved" part I don't think I stated you said that. Just that I went through thinking that a while ago. Just in line with "no hell" which is what I think you believe.

About the couple verses you stated for me as an answer to the first analogy I wrote "I just really see it as if we say there is a hell and there really isn't what wrong have we done" which is Christ quoting Isaiah 29:13. Which I can't quite link that to this. Then quoting the end of Revelation about changing the prophesies of the Bible. That is why I believe there is a place of eternal torment or "hell". Because the Bible says so. As you didn't reply to the second analogy in that "if people don't believe in "hell" though it really exists". How this could be dangerous to others in my eyes.

As Adam gave a good reply about to "fear God". This teaching is throughout the Bible as we are also to love Him. Say how you would love your dad but if you do something wrong you may be whipped for it and scared to know it's coming. Though this is much higher as with God. A couple more verses for you Psalms 34:9, Psalms 115:13, Proverbs 3:7, Luke 1:50, Romans 3:18, 2 Corinthians 7:1, Hebrews 12:28, Revelation 19:5.

As I have over forty verses to love God.

To the last statement of "if they told you that they had had a near death or actual death experience that fully validated substantiated and confirmed all their religious beliefs ?" Well, as there are hundreds probably thousands of NDE's and some have no experience at all. I have never heard of someone meeting Buddah, Allah, or Muhammed etc. Though I have seen people converted to Christ from those other religions. Even Atheists who didn't believe. As there are many and all are personal and unique. There are many things that connect with the teachings of the Scriptures.

In kindness.

God Bless.

Hello Earl, Thank you also for sharing some of your life here. I think there is definitely a mystery in how and why God draws close to us in what we perceive as good and bad, mountain top or riverbed in this time. The more surrendered we are, the more we are like Him and the less we are of ourselves. The highest honor to the Father is to fully love His Son and live and breathe within Him by free will choice. Still part of the mystery is Jesus as part of the Godhead so he can also by choice be surrendered in the Father and in the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost is also surrendered in God the Father and in God the Son by choice and God the Father by the fact that both the Son and the Holy Ghost are free willed can rest in their surrendered Will as His own. We as born again Christians are called back in this time into this Holy Will by choice to be made free again in this loving, eternal, holy purpose of Jesus Christ with the angels and all of the redeemed. The harvest will be full and complete at the end. Like the natural world, there are parts of what was planted that never make the harvest and have no purpose in the full and abundant harvest and will be forgotten. Spiritually, these forgotten parts, souls, of the planting are aware that the harvest took place without them and they have been separated eternally from the Holy Will of God.

For meditation.

Hi Donna,

As I'm not sure exactly what you are looking for. An original 1611 KJV Bible or just a reprint. I'd say just type in "1611 KJV Bible" on google or maybe amazon and see what comes up. Check the details to see if it's what you are looking for.

Hope that helps and you find your Holy Bible.

God Bless.

Why some people believe that a kingdom will be set up in Israel before the 2nd coming of Jesus?

Hello Earl,

I am honored that you shared that history of your life with us. Thank you very much. It means a lot.

I'm not sure what you mean by "I change my mine because you wont find any prophecies of free will, HELL or heaven; only a KINGDOM."

I think you are correct as the statement "free will" is not in the Bible directly. Though several verses that, I believe, point to this are: Joshua 24:15, John 7:17, Galatians 5:13, James 1:13-16. For a couple.

The word "hell" has taken over the Hebrew word "sheol" in the OT. Three Greek words "gehenna" "hades" and "tartarus" in the NT. All described as "bad" places simply.

For Heaven there are numerous as the one used the most in the NT, hundreds of times, is "ouranos". Strongs definition "the sky; by extension heaven (as the abode of God); by implication happiness power: eternity; specifically the Gospel (Christianity)". In John 3:13, John 3:31. Kingdom used a lot together with this word as in Matthew 6:10, Matthew 18:3.

Thanks for your replies Earl.

God Bless.

i love the bible :0

I would enjoy doing that for you Earl.

The Greek word for "torments" in Luke 16:23 is pronounced "basanos". If you type in "Strongs number G931" on google that will bring up links to this Greek word you can look over.

The definition can be of a "touchstone to test gold or silver". The rest of the definitions are "the rack or instrument of torture by which one is forced to divulge the truth, torture, torment, acute pains, of the pains of a disease, of those in hell after death".

It seems it is only used three times in the NT. Matthew 4:24, Luke 16:23, Luke 16:28.

God Bless.

Yes, other wise all prophecies of jesus as lord and christ would be null and void.

I think I may have once already left this dream that my Atheist step-father whom loved and taught me some good life long lessons. He was humble enough to tell me this dream long after I became a Christian. He dreamt that he died and was carried to a dark place where he was completely alone but fully conscious of his own existence and that this existence in this state was not to end. He was very concerned of it's meaning. Sorry for the possible repeat.

Hi Richard,

I agree there is a hell. I believe it because the bible says it!

To teach otherwise can be dangerous, It sounds similar to Satan discrediting Gods word when Satan deceived Eve.

"And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:" Genesis 3:4.

And here's scriptural proof they don't just cease from existing.

1st of all the resurrection, and the term we know as the 2nd death.

Acts 24:15. And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a RESURRECTION of the dead, ( both of the just and UNJUST. )

What's the point in raising the unjust just to send them right back to the grave?

Matthew 25:41, 46 (KJV) Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:...42..43..44..

...And these shall go away into EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT:

but the righteous into life eternal.

Hell was created for the devil and his angels but his children will go there also, and to take note,

YOU CAN'T WEEP AND NASH TEETH IF YOU NO LONGER EXIST, NEITHER CAN YOU ENDURE EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT.

Matthew 13:42-43. AND SHALL CAST THEM INTO A FURNACE OF FIRE: ""THERE SHALL BE WAILING AND GNASHING OF TEETH.

Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father.

Revelation 20:14-15. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the Second death.

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the LAKE OF FIRE.

HERE IT SEEMS TO BE A RELOCATION, AND DEATH ( AND HELL IS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE!! )

When the restrainer is taken out of the way

( Thes 2:7 )

you see how evil men really is. War against God ect.

Revelation 16:9. And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

They'll be just like their father the Devil.

No repentance. Forever tormented.

The scripture is clear.

GB.

Is Abrah, the hebrew a direct decent of Jesus Christ Lord?