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You will see that through Mary's and Joseph's Geneology, that the bloodline of Jesus Christ was carefully recorded in the pages of the Bible.
Before Genesis, and the marriage of Adam to Eve, the bloodlines that would bring Jesus forward to Bethlehem; was prophesied and spoken many times.
You can Google CHARTS to view with Jesus. There's scads of charts so be sure it matches what is recorded in the King James Bible.
Mishael
The most important commandment ! May stun some . But Jesus knows ...
But you are in conflict & despair as to what would have happened if you died whilst in a comatose state & were living in sin. This is a question no one here can answer, as salvation is "of the Lord" & is personal between Him (His Spirit) & you. Each person's state is only known by God, & what He does to bring a sinning Christian back to Himself, cannot be known by us. What concerned me was what you said, "if in our past after receiving salvation we were a good Christian for a while, yet this changed to a sinful nature." Again, only the Lord & you would know what took place at the time of salvation. When you heard the Gospel, when you responded to it, how you were taught in the Word, how you responded to the Holy Spirit's Work in you, are some questions only you can answer. If your salvation wasn't real at that time (i.e. without conviction of sin & your estrangement from God) or maybe you heard the Gospel in an incorrect/incomplete way, then when looking back at the attractions of the world & to fulfil your desires would be easy to do, without any sense of guilt or wrongdoing.
But if you were saved at that time, the Holy Spirit wouldn't let you go - every thought, every act or desire of yours would bring about conviction because sin cannot be entertained in a holy vessel. Again, only you can discern what went on in you during that time of rejection of the Christ-centred life. And if you had struggles, indeed it was the Lord alerting you, calling & drawing you back to Himself. Maybe it was the coma itself that the Lord used to finally 'shake' you out of sin & complacency & you're now on the road to faithful godly living & real joy & peace in the spirit as you serve Him. Luke 15:10 & Hebrews 12:2.
Your belief is truly pure. Though I still cannot make that decision from the things in the Bible. Again, as God's ways and thoughts are so high above us I know I could be wrong. Ecclesiastes 11:5.
With things like John 10:26 Jesus Christ telling people they are not of His sheep.
Just going to focus on the one verse of 1 Corinthians 15:28. In that verse the word "all" is the Greek word "pas". Mostly it is translated as "all" thought this is not the best word for "every single one or the whole or completely". The Greek words better for that are "hapas" and "holos" for a couple.
In the definition of "pas" it states " The words "world" and "all" are used in some seven or eight senses in Scripture, and it is very rarely the "all" means all persons, taken individually. The words are generally used to signify that Christ has redeemed some of all sorts-- some Jews, some Gentiles, some rich, some poor, and has not restricted His redemption to either Jew or Gentile ..."
Now I won't go as far as to say your belief is incorrect as I perceive you more wise than I. Again there are other things that keep me to the "saved and unsaved" in the end.
Like I stated before in that if all were to be saved in the end I really would see no real use of the Bible, following Christ, doing right or wrong, if in the end it doesn't matter. This also does not seem fair to all the people that may have been tortured or killed by someone(say Hitler) and He is to be saved and be with them for eternity.
Sometimes being fair doesn't look like the nicest thing. To the wicked that is. Though God is fair. Ezekiel 18:20-32.
God Bless you brother Earl.
Lets revisit the text starting from-
Hebrews 5:11-14. Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Paul is urging them towards maturity.
Now lets take up Hebrews 6:7-9.
For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
Verse 8: But that which ""beareth thorns and briers"" is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
THE KEY IS IN VERSE 9.
Verse 9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and ( things that accompany salvation,) though we thus speak. WHAT ACCOMPANIES SALVATION? FRUIT AND REWARDS.
Verse 8 parallels with
Isaiah 5:6-7. And I will lay it waste: it shall not be pruned, nor digged; but there shall come up briers and thorns: I will also command the clouds that they rain no rain upon it.
For the vineyard of the LORD of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant: and he looked for judgment, but behold oppression; for righteousness, but behold a cry.
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You see these verses can not be about salvation, if so we're all in trouble.
Its about what accompany salvation.
I hope that helps.
Seek and yeah shah find. Your life will continue to be more peaceful in harmony and love as you search his word set yourself approved you can know that the Lord will be your guide .
Thru all tribulations you truly will have peace.
He's out strength. Amen
I guess simply I understand "the Day of the Lord" as being now. As in the term we have for AD after the year. This comes from the Latin words "Anno Domini" basically meaning "year of the Lord" as after the Lord Jesus Christ came to earth.
In that I believe all have the chance and ability to come to Christ and be saved. Though many Scriptures point not all shall be saved in the end. The wheat shall be separated form the tares, the sheep from the goats, etc. Some make it to life eternal some to eternal damnation. Christ taught this many times so I really cant see it another way.
As from other Scriptures in that in the end the righteous shall be separated from the wicked and never have to see them ever again. I don't see all going to the same place in the end.
Like I stated before if that is what God want's of coarse that is what will happen. I don't wish bad on anyone even them which I would call my enemies. Though the only enemy I really have is satan, evil, sin, etc. The people who are following those things instead of God and Christ we are told it does not end well for them. Though I can't see Christ preaching these things for no reason.
Thank you Earl.
Lets start with Hebrews 6:4-6 with the view you can loose your salvation.
4: For it is ""impossible"" for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5: And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6: If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
That sounds like they're saved right? Right.
So if you read that verse carefully with the mind you can loose your salvation "you got one shot at it!!" ( For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened....) ( If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance;...)
You can take this passage and say if you were saved and some how stumbled "a small lie, got angry, ect.." it is impossible to renew you to repentance!! your forever Lost!! Read it again with the view you can loose your salvation.
That does not sound right so now take the passage with the view you cant loose your salvation and say these people was not really saved, "The Calvinist view"
It seems they suffer the same fate! Whether professors or not 'they were once enlightened'.
It is "Impossible" ( for those who were once ""enlightened,"" and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance;...)
The unsaved premise seems to also fails. they also got one shot!
I believe the writer is writing to believers, he addresses them that way in Ch 3:1. "Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling",
I don't think this is talking about salvation at all, it don't say renew them again to salvation, it say repentance. The writer is writing to the Hebrews and urging them to maturity, the burden of the writer is not to return to Judaism. Legalism, them becoming fruitless.
My apologies to you. You were describing a person who is saved, gets into sin, and comes back, not necessarily referring to yourself. Please accept my apology for thinking you were referring to your own walk.
Romans 10:13 says, "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."
That's a promise. You call out to Him and cry out to Him for mercy and to save you, and He will do it, period!
John 1:12 says, "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"
Personally, I like to use the word receive instead of accept, as it says in John 1:12. To accept just means to mentally agree with what Christ did for you. A person must receive Jesus Christ!
A person who's been born of God's Spirit has become a new creation in Christ. That person now has a new nature because God's Spirit living inside is pure and holy. God's Spirit convicts a saved person when they sin, therefore a saved person cannot go back to the sinful lifestyle and sinful nature they once had without any conviction in their heart.
You mention that you were saved, got caught up in sin, but then came back. If I may ask you, why did you come back? My guess would be that if you were truly saved, meaning you were born of the Spirit of Christ, that it was His Spirit that brought conviction to your heart and that's why you came back.
That happens to every true believer that gets caught up with sin. God will deal with every believer that goes astray and gets involved with sin. The bible tells us in Hebrews Chapter 12 that Christ disciplines and chastens those who belong to Him. And He does so out of love. He will never allow one of His sheep to go astray. If a person's not under the discipline of the Lord, they don't belong to Him. They have an illegitimate claim to belong to Christ!
So, "How do we know once we are saved that we are forever saved?" The answer would be who are you trusting when it comes to your salvation? Are you trusting in the one who says He will NEVER leave you nor forsake you, the one who says you are being kept by His power? Or are you trusting in yourself to keep yourself saved?
God gives eternal life. If there is a way we can lose our salvation, then it is not eternal. Please know that the entire salvation process is all of God. Man cannot save himself, and man cannot keep himself saved. If it wasn't for God and His power to keep us saved, we would have no hope!
There's nothing in scripture that says a person can lose their salvation. If you're saved now, you will remain saved by the mighty hand and power of God. Of all that belong to Him, He says He will not lose one. If that's not assurance, I'm not sure what is!
Before we can truly start to understand the scriptures we have to first understand THE DAY OF THE LORD.
Most look at God's word through natural eyes. A day to them is a period of 24 hours. In the world with no beginning and no end; time does't exist. One day is a thousand years; even this doesn't mean a ratio 1 to 1000.
The old testament is full of prophecies about the DAY OF THE LORD; all these prophecies of that day (a day called TODAY) were fulfilled when John the Baptist came proclaiming the kingdom of God is at hand. That day of the Lord; a day called TODAY is still in existence 2000 years latter; called TODAY (if you hear my voice harden not your hearts). This ONE day shall continue as long as this age of the church last.
THE DAY OF THE LORD is the day that it became possible to have CHRIST IN YOU. We don't know what hour we are in; this DAY OF THE LORD. But the prophecy in Zachariah says:
Zachariah 14:6 And it shall come to pass IN THAT DAY, that the light (Christ is the light) shall not be clear, nor dark:
Zachariah 14:7 But it shall be ONE day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it SHALL COME TO PASS, that at evening time IT SHALL BE LIGHT.
Understanding this DAY OF THE LORD is necessary as we discuss Isaiah 66 and other scriptures.
As John 3:16 points out.
For God so loved the world he have his only begotten son. That who shall believe in him shall not parish but have external life.
Jesus came to fulfill the law. Therefore , we are saved by grace.
I think only a minority of Christians believe once saved, always saved, because the Bible doesn't support that idea. Most people would agree that Hitler probably won't be in heaven, despite going to church when young and possibly identifying as a Christian at one point. Judas was a Christian (a literal Christ follower) and betrayed Him in a huge way, and it's my personal belief that he is not saved. There's countless examples of Christians who unfortunately have turned their back on Jesus and started following the ways of the world or the devil himself. Jesus warned His followers to obey and fear God and avoid sin and obey. People today are making claims that you don't have to do anything at all. I believe God is a fair judge.
This doesn't mean we're saved by effort, it's grace. But Jesus clearly said if you love Him then obey. Christianity is an action requiring effort. Those who are genuine Christians following Christ will be saved, those who aren't are in danger of not being saved. I believe Bible backs this up very well. Plus, one can have assurance of salvation, but no one is actually saved until judgment day. So, people that claim they're saved, and can enjoy sin and doing evil 24/7 are mistaken. That idea only comes from satan. They will call out Lord, Lord and Jesus will not know him, just as the Bible says. Jesus said most people won't go to heaven- narrow is the way. Some accuse others of being legalistic, but they'd probably accuse Jesus of that too: John 14:15.
Just a few relevant verses...
Hebrews 10:26
James 2:14-26 "...faith, if it hath not works, is dead..."
James 2:19 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."
1 Peter 1:13 "...hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;"
Romans 11
John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments."
Matthew 12:31-32.
Romans 14:12
1 Peter 1:5 - "...salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."
YES I do believe that in the ages to come ALL WILL BE IN CHRIST.
1 Corinthians 15:28 And when ALL THINGS shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject to him who put ALL THINGS under him, THAT GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL.
A good portion of the scriptures is prophecy; as is:
Psalms 22:26 The meek shall eat (my flesh and drink my blood; which is the word of God) and be satisfied: they shall praise the Lord that seek(s) him (we praise him because he seeks us; we don't seek him), your heart shall live forever (eternal life being resurrected with him; Revelation 20:5-6).
Psalms 22:27 ALL the ENDS OF THE WORLD SHALL REMEMBER AND TURN UNTO THE LORD: and ALL the kindreds of the nations SHALL WORSHIP BEFORE THEE.
Psalms 22:28 For the kingdom is the LORD'S (accomplished at his death and resurrection; Revelation 11:15,): and he is the governor among the nations.
Psalms 22:29 And they (firstborn, children of HIS resurrection) that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they (the ones not raised with him at HIS resurrection) that go down to the dust (awaiting the second resurrection) SHALL BOW BEFORE HIM: and NONE can keep alive his own soul.
Psalms 22:30 A seed (firstborn) shall serve him; it (seed or the firstborn) shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation (the age of the firstborn or the age of the church).
Psalms 22:31 They (Firstborn, Elect, Saints) shall come (in the next ages), and shall declare HIS righteousness unto a people (those raised in the second resurrection) THAT SHALL BE BORN, that HE hath done this.
The shadow in the old testament is the feast of weeks (feast of firstfruits) and the feast of the ingathering (final harvest).