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The simple answer is being led by the spirit of God .

Hi Jesse,

Thank you for your added detail.

I'm not sure where you get this idea though: "There is a difference, and God will only reward us for one of these two."

It sounds like you interpret good works to be bad unless you feel a certain spiritual confirmation before or during the good work activity? How exactly did you come to this understanding and what Bible sources can you cite to say this?

I find this unusual, because I find life as a Christian has a spiritual component that is hard to separate. I believe something of the 'flesh' is easier to identify, because it usually involves unpure motives and sin. But it sounds like you're suggesting that obeying Jesus (such as doing good works to help others) has unpure motives and you put a screening layer in place which you have to navigate through in order to feel good about obeying Jesus.

My perspective is different. I feel that obeying Jesus by default is good, and that helping others by default is good, and already is done via spirit and not fleshly. It would be really hard to convince me that doing good is bad, because doing good is all through the Bible. Galatians 6:9, Matthew 5:16, Ephesians 2:10. We're created to do good works and be the light of the World are we not? James 2:14-17, James 4:17, Micah 6:8. I don't think my motives or my mood even matters sometimes, it's not about me, but serving others and being obedient. Selflessness.

So, my question is: does someone have such a strong filter for all other aspects of life or only when it comes to obeying Jesus and help others? Brushing teeth? Eating a meal? Gassing up a car? Going to work? Watching movies? If the strong filter is only on doing good works, but not on neutral activities, or bad works, then I would think such a perspective seems off balance. Because why should we hesitate only when it comes to doing good and have to pass certain criteria, but have no problem doing anything other than good?

Let me know if I have misinterpreted your meaning and where you got the idea about good works requiring certain criteria for God to like it? God bless...

Acts 2:38 is the first Christian message ever preached and it needs to be obeyed.

For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 3:27-29 KJV

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Romans 6:1-5 KJV

In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Colossians 2:11-14 KJV

Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

1 Peter 3:20-21 kjv

How to understand Deuteronomy 6:10-11

"And it shall be, when the LORD thy God shall have brought thee into the land which he sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give thee great and goodly cities, which thou buildedst not, And houses full of all good things, which thou filledst not, and wells digged, which thou diggedst not, vineyards and olive trees, which thou plantedst not; when thou shalt have eaten and be full;"

While Deuteronomy 5:21 stating:

"neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's."

Is it controversial?

Brother Richard,

May the Lord bless you richly as well. And thanks for those additional scriptures!

The children of God must daily keep pressing toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in our Lord Jesus Christ!

We have to be bold, stay encouraged and endure always like a good soldier in Christ.

Stay strong my brother in the Lord!

"Is this that (which) you were looking for?" was the voice I heard from a distance in a cloud many years ago.

Beside me a lamb with eyes like a human and similar to the eyes on the Egyptian stone that I saw in a photo several years later.

written in love.

my wifes

name is Gladys she has cancer and needs prayers she staying sick a lot thank you for your prayers . but with his strips we are healed.

Hi Richard,

You are free to join the conversation anytime as this is an open forum. I completely agree with you that God is good. Perhaps maybe the way we word things (Not just you and me) might cause us to sometimes be in disagreement, even though we might believe the same thing. I only used those two words because I was trying to show the difference between the good of God, and humanitarian good.

Any time the word good is used when referring to God, it is the word Agathos. Jesus said when answering the man who called Him good master, He said why did you call me Agathos? There is only one who is Agathos, and that is God. This man was speaking to deity and he used the proper word for good.

I agree that there are a few other words than the two I mentioned, but none of the others can be specifically applied to God Himself. When we say God is good, we are saying God is Agathos. There are words in our English bible where we see a word in English and we only come away with one meaning to that word. Good is just one example.

Another example would be the word carnal. We see the word carnal in English, and we might assume that carnal is always bad. Well, it can be bad. But did you know a believer can be carnal and it is perfectly normal?



I understand where you're coming from and I think we do agree on some things. I chose those two words because I believe that Godly good is Agathos, and humanitarian good is Kalos. The other words can also be used, although if I used those words, they would not properly convey the point I was trying to make.

I am running out of space with so much more to write, but I will cut it off here. You bring up a couple of verses in 1 Timothy that I've not thought about before which is a good thing because it challenges me to search the scriptures, and I do thank you for that.



God Bless!!!

Gregory, may the Spirit grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

2 Samuel 23:1-2 Now these be the last words of David. David the son of Jesse said, and the man who was raised up on high, the anointed of the God of Jacob, and the sweet psalmist of Israel, said,

(vs 2) The Spirit of the Lord spake by me, and his word was in my tongue.

Yes, Jesus is the one speaking in Psalms as also in all other scriptures; sometime to the Father sometime to us. Be sure you keep the pronouns in the proper order. The word of God will take on a whole new meaning as you study these prophecies and their relationship to you, the Father and the Son.

My question is are you saved in believing who Jesus is ? Or what Jesus did ?

My take is if you don't believe that he is the Christ you will not believe in his words or work .

Even the devils know who God is and tremble . Said James .

There is more to just believing , although that's where it starts .

Also many types of love and not all are good . I hear people saying like the Beatles all you need is love , but love can be for the wrong things . Love of God is totally different, you can not love the world and God too .

Heavenly Father, according to Thy Promises, in the Mighty Name of Jesus, by the Power of the Holy Spirit, I claim healing for Kevin and Jenny. 2 Samuel 7:25, "And now, O LORD GOD, the word that Thou hast spoken concerning Thy servants (Kevin and Jenny), and concerning their house (their bodies), establish it (healing) for ever, and do as Thou hast said." Thank You Heavenly Father, Thank You Jesus and Thank You Holy Spirit. Kevin, I have you both in my prayers. God bless you both.

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Revelation 5 .12

Saying with a loud voice , Worthy is the lamb that was slain to receive power , and riches , and wisdom , and strength, and glory , and blessing.

Read the chapter and understand what heaven thinks about Jesus the lambs accomplishments.

These are the highest rewards .

Kimberly, I would encourage you to show your dad James 5:14-16

14Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

15And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

16Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

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The Lord God healed me in just a moment of time - I thank the Lord God for the promise He made to us in James 5. But infinitely more important than our physical health is our salvation - now I don't know your dad, but I know from Matthew 7 the majority of "Christians" are not of Christ, even those that prophesy in His name (I hope that's not the case for your dad, but I'll write this because he may need to hear it):

Matthew 7

22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

And he may be of Christ, but that depends on if he's cried out to the Lord Jesus with a broken heart of sorrow for breaking God's Laws:

James 2:10

"For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

Psalms 34:18

"The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit."

God saves someone when they have sorrowed to repentance, which is being made sorry after a godly manner (i.e. repentance is not turning/changing)

2 Corinthians 7

9Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.

10For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

This chapter of John Jesus explains so much truth , many of our answers can be found in this chapter . To know his voice is the most valuable thing to know , that's where it starts .

Spending time in the word of God is so very very worth it !

You have a valid point , if the real Jesus is denied , just who are they believing in ? Will he deliver them ?

If anyone's Jesus is not the Jesus of the Bible then they might as well be praying to a rock .

Yes there was a little town of Bethlehem!

Jesus is inherently God , and Gods son .

I hope this helps .

It's all in the Bible to those that have ears !

Hello Jesse,

Please forgive me as I don't want to get in between the discussion of you & Adam. Though I feel to write my perception on this matter. As I believe it is important to us all.

To begin I don't feel what you stated about the two Greek words for "good", meaning one is of God and the other of men, is completely accurate. First I would say everything good is of God weather the person knows God literally or not. As Love is of God and those who abide in love are of Him to 1 John 4:7. Now weather that person has been drawn to the light, Jesus Christ, yet is up to God. Also stated in Romans 2:12-15 about how those who do what is right or "good", even though they have not heard the law, shows Gods law written on their hearts. They being obedient to God and not even knowing it.

Back to the word "good" in the Greek. The two words you gave are the two words used the most for "good" in the NT. G18 and G2570. Though they are not the only words used for simply put "good". We have "cherestotes-G5544", "eudokia-G2107', and "eupoiia-G2140" for a couple others. Showing in Hebrews 13:16 that just because it's not the word "agoth.." doesn't mean God isn't pleased with it.

Also how in a couple instances like 1 Timothy 6:18, and 1 Timothy 5:10. the words "agoth.." and "kalos" are both used in the same verse.

Now of coarse what you stated in that if someone seems to be trying to "earn" there way into Heaven, by good works, hopefully they will find out there is only one way and that is Jesus Christ. We have all fallen short in our lives. Thanks be to the Grace of our Father in Heaven He sent us His Son. To now focus on Him and let Him lead the way for us. We need Jesus Christ our Lord just as we need our Father in Heaven.

God Bless you Jesse. Please don't let my message come to you the wrong way. It is from the heart.

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Lyndi,

That is interesting. Do you know why Matthew used the phrase kingdom of heaven, but Mark and Luke use kingdom of God? I was taught that both kingdom of heaven and kingdom of God are the same. But since Matthew wrote his gospel to the Jews, and the Jews would not say the name God (They say, Hashem, which means "The Name)," that is why Matthew says kingdom of heaven, and not kingdom of God. But Mark and Luke say kingdom of God because both their gospels were written to the Gentiles. Very interesting!

If I may ask, what is the difference between heaven and the kingdom of God?

I would encourage you to show Kristie James 5:14-16

14Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

15And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

16Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

The Lord God healed me, and I pray He'll do the same for Kristie - But more importantly that she will come to the Lord with godly sorrow for her sins and saved if she hasn't already done so:

2 Corinthians 7:10

"For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death."

May His grace be on you both, and grant you all faith in Him who can do all things:

Job 42:2

"I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee."



Blessed be the Name of the Lord!

I apologize if I sent this twice to you (I got a couple people confused). But I just want to make sure everyone hears about God's wonderful promises to His children. But first I want to say, if you and your family have never come to the Lord Jesus Christ with a broken heart for your sins, then cry out to Him today, because without coming to godly sorrow for you sins, there's no salvation:

Psalms 34:18

"The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit."

And salvation is infinitely more important than earthly health; but if you are His children, than He has a wonderful promise in His Word for you, and will heal your wife, if you follow His Word:

James 5

14Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

15And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

16Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

It's says "the prayer of faith shall save the sick" - Pray the Lord would fill your wife with that faith - And may the Lord bless you and your wife richly with both faith to salvation (if He hasn't already) - and faith in His promise.

Why isn't the 'holy, holy, holy' from the Book of Revelations cited with these books though?

The Lord God healed me, and He can heal you as well:

James 5

14Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

15And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

16Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

Have faith in God:

James 5

14Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

15And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

16Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

what bible verses refer to a marriage between man and women KJV

These were removed from the Bible by the Catholic Archidiocese ?

brother Jesse, I am going to meditate on that thought!

God bless our faithfulness!

Hello Earl, Sorry I should have looked. The Mercy Seat is where we want to be, no matter what and no matter the cost to our selves and as you said, it is available for us now.

Carleton, the question wasn't about repentance and remission of sins; but about the mercy seat.