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Amen.

Praise the Lord!

Revelation 13:8

King James Version

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Does this mean there was a lamb up in heaven with it's throat slit before God said, "let there be light." ?

Of course not.

John 17:5

And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

As you said, of a truth, all Christians (born again of the word 1Peter 1:23/ John 3:3 and baptized in Jesus' name and filled with His Spirit John 3:5/ Acts 2:38)

had glory with the Father before the world was. Does this mean we were physically or spiritually there with the Father in heaven? Of course not.

The term "pre-existent" is an oxymoron.

Noone has ever pre-existed oneself.

If only people would (as your name suggests) read their bible, and stop listening to deceived men (theologians/ lying "pastors") they would be free indeed - John 8:31-32.

Isaiah 46:10

Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

It was over before it began.

Hallelujah!

I'd like to share some words of encouragement to those that have ears to hear .

I have been seeking God for many years , started from ground zero , Knowing nothing except that the scriptures (the bible) is the truth . God gave me that unshakable truth .

Now I read only the bible for a source of truth , after seeking help from other books , they only created confusion.

But God has always been open to my prayers when they are according to his will . All the selfish prayers get a NO or silence . He truly hears prayer and sees everything.

I have experienced that Jesus really will care for all my problems if I take them to him in prayer and trust Him with it .

He has never failed . Sometimes He changes me with his grace to endure the problem , or changes things miraculously .

Have faith in God and be at peace . Read the Bible . Amen

Yes, John Chapter 14:26 with some surrounding read the Bible verses.

14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's that sent me.

14:25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.

14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your jeart ne troubled, neither let it be afraid.

14:28 Ye have heard now how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said , I go unto the Father for my Father is greater than I.

14:29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.

14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

14:31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.

I pray that God heals me my mind body and soul I pray that I can remember so I can learn that my eyes would be clear so I could see that my back would be strong so I could help I pray that gods turns his face back to me and feels me with the holy spirit daily thank you

Luke 1 v 15 , 16 , 17

Here it speaks of John the Baptist, and Jesus said John was the greatest of all the prophets.

Verse 15 says John was filled with the Holy Ghost from his mother's womb . So John did not live a life of sin . Yet John is not The Son of God like Jesus , because John has a fleshy father called Zechariah.

Jesus father was God via the Holy Spirit .

Two very different births both living Holy lives .

Jesus is the Son of God not a prophet like John . John expressed this at Jesus Baptism.

Jesus Born of God and God being with him . Yet only the Son of God .

Not God himself . Two distinct identities.

If you asked Jesus for his address then it would have been from Nazareth.

If you asked God the father for his address it would be in heaven , eternally, With no limitations.

People often say Jesus was before the world .

Yes so is anyone born of God . If a person is born of God , God is with them (God does not have limitations Of this world but is eternal) . Jesus was born of God in a way John was not .

No man can say I was before the world unless he is born of God .

John was the best of all and acknowledged he was not worthy to unloose Jesus boot straps .

I hope this helps some , I don't want to write a book .

No worries Chris,

You only get two admonitions.

God has a 2 strike law.

However, to answer your earnest questions..& to reiterate what the Scripture shows forth:

We aren't splitting hairs.

The deity of the man Christ Jesus is His Father (God). This does not make Him a separate god "of a triune co-equal triple god".

Where you and I differ is when you read the word Godhead: you understand it to be plural, when Godhead is a singular noun. In Spanish bibles it is written deidad; which simply means deity.

Likewise, when you read the word; Word in John 1:1 and 1:14 you understand it to mean: son or Christ.

Such is the beguilement of Rome and her sorcerers/TheoLOGIANs who have changed the meaning of words.

I certainly am no better than you, as I use to believe the same, until I was washed from those lies by the word of God.

When John 1:1 says: "and the Word was God."

I understand it as it is written, that the Word was God (the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ).

How did God create everything in Genesis 1? He spoke it into existence. The Son of God didn't fall out of His mouth.

1 John 5:7-8 KJV

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

These verses are not speaking about a "trinity". Rather verse 7 is speaking about God the Father (who is the Word and the Holy Spirit). And verse 8 is speaking about the baptism of water and Spirit ( John 3:5) by which you have the blood covering. It is a blood covenant.

Finally I submit to you to meditate on these verses of Scripture:

1 John 5:20-21

20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

Sincerely,

Andrew

Did SAMSON save his daughters Life by killing a Lion??

Praise the Lord Jesus Christ our Passover Lamb for ever and ever!

Indeed Sasha, it truly is a blessing to encounter someone of like minded faith, that has come away from the beguilement of Rome and her sorcerers.

Be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. For we, of our own will cannot change anyone's mind. Only the Holy Ghost can. For one man sows, another waters, but God giveth the increase.

Of a truth, the doctrine of Christ is quite simple when you receive it, but only the one true God (the Father the Word and Holy Ghost) can reveal it unto babes.

This is why Jesus told Peter after he answered Jesus saying "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God."

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 16:16-17

And avoid foolish questions and contentions as brother Paul instructed brother Titus in Titus 3:9-11 9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

We are just called to speak as the oracles of God sending His word out like a sonar wave, and depending on how people respond we either continue speaking or reject them and leave it between them and the Lord after the second warning.

Much Love to you, Sacha , in Jesus' name.

P.S. just to confirm we are brothers and fellow soldiers: you have been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and have been filled with the Holy Ghost (as evidenced by speaking in an unknown tongue)?

The spirit of truth ( Holy Spirit )

Will lead us all into All truth if we have him .

There are no excuses not to have Gods will understood . If we read the bible and are lead by the Holy Spirit .

2 Timothy 3.16 is well worth holding to and applying! Amen

Yes only ONE GOD .

It's so simple that many can't believe it . They need to make it so complicated, and we know confusion is of the Devil .

God is light not confusion.

The purpose of confusion is to distract away from the truth , that will lead you to more truth etc . That's why the spirit of error is on going . One step in the wrong direction and ten yrs later or less you are shipwrecked .

Part 2:

According to law, the priest was the only one who was able to eat it, because after he changed the bread off with fresh bread, he would eat the old bread himself. So the priest took it and said here, take the shewbread. You are hungry. You need it. And Jesus is saying you Pharisees don't get it. It is not legalism.

Mark 2:27: And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

He says look, God gave you the Sabbath Day as a gift. Did you ever notice that they, and we, still don't take that gift? We refuse to take a day off to get away from involvement with the world and just rest and focus on the things the Lord.

So Jesus said look, even in your own rules, because they had rules, but if the Pharisees were walking down the road and their horse fell into a ditch, they could pull it out.

You say well how can they do that? Because they made the rule that they could. They made the rules! So Jesus said you are in the wrong spirit here.

The Sabbath was given to man as a gift. Man wasn't made so that he would fulfill the Sabbath. The Sabbath was given to man. Obviously, if there's an emergency, what are you going to do? You can't call an ambulance today, you will have to wait till tomorrow because, you know, it is the Sabbath Day.

Lastly, Mark 2:28 says Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Wow, what a statement! He's in charge of the Sabbath, and what He does is right.

I hope this helps you!

Alec Ford,

Those verses tell us about the Confrontation over the Sabbath. I'll give you my understanding of those verses in two parts as there is not enough space in one post. This will be part 1.

First of all, in Mark 2:23, if your text says corn, they didn't have corn there in those days. It was grain fields on the Sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of grain. And by the way, you are allowed to do that. The law allows you to do that. In Mark 2:24, you have to understand that the Pharisees were there to evaluate. They said you are reaping the harvest.

No! The law allowed that if you are walking along, you can pull heads of grain off and eat it if you are hungry, but you can't harvest it on the Sabbath, because you're not allowed to work on the Sabbath.

So the Pharisees said, "We consider that harvesting!" In fact, there were incidents where people would walk along the ground and step on a stock and some of the grain would fall off the stock and they got them for harvesting. Legalists!

In Mark 2:25, Jesus said to them, "Have you never read?" He is speaking to religious people. And He is saying "haven't you ever read the Old Testament, the TANAK?" Have you never read what David did? This would be 1 Samuel 21:1-6. Have you never read what David did, when he had need and was hungry, and he, and those that were traveling with him?

In Mark 2:26, the phrase "into the house of God" used in this verse means into the tabernacle.

So you see, He says David and his band of men were traveling, and they were hungry. And they come across the temple and they said to the priest do you have any food here? Well, the only food I have is the shewbread, the presentation bread, the 12 loaves of bread that represent the 12 tribes of Israel.

Sacha, it is a pleasure to hear words of a pure heart. There are verses that can be used out of context to complicate the simplicity of Christ. Here is one that cannot be perverted or twisted. No debate hear stand strong in the truth.



John.14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.



Peace to you and your family, Ron

As no one person is exactly the same as another. Just as well there is many different beliefs to interpreting the Scriptures. Which is said to have no private interpretation. ( 2 Peter 1:20-21.

As this has been discussed before I will put my portion. I do not say Jesus Christ is God the Father. He is the only begotten Son of God. Though He was more than just a "sinless" man. He was part man part God. Born of a virgin who was conceived by the Holy Ghost ( Matthew 1:20, Luke 1:30-35. Even at age twelve He astonished people who heard Him. He knew God was His Father then Luke 2:47-49. To me showing He did not just receive the Holy Ghost(Spirit of God) at His water baptism in the Jordan. If the sign of the Spirit descending from Heaven like a dove was for just a sign for John or for His supernatural powers only God knows. John 1:32-34.

If some think that believing Jesus Christ is more that just a man is taking something away from the Father. God wants us to honor His Son as He is the only way to the Father. Scriptures pointing to Him being more than "just" a man John 3:12-13, John 3:33-35, John 3:38, John 8:54-58, John 17:3-5, Colossians 1:12-20, Hebrews 1:1-4.

Also titles Jesus Christ, the Son of God, uses like Alpha and Omega(first and last) in the beginning of Revelation. The Lamb of God, Jesus Christ, being King of kings and Lord of Lords Revelation 17:14. Also the Word of God and King of kings and Lord of lords given to the man riding the white horse out of Heaven. I believe is Jesus Christ.

Besides all of the miracles He performed. Him being transfigured on the mountain Matthew 17:2.

There is one True Holy Living Almighty God. Saying the Father, Word, and Holy Ghost are one. Also as how many verses I have that state the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of God, and the Holy Ghost are in us after being saved. To me showing Jesus Christ is the Word of God and one with God and the Holy Ghost.

Praise be to our Lord Jesus Christ and our Father in Heaven.

You have your father and mother . What's the problem in understanding?

God was Jesus father , Mary his mother . Believe it or not that's the confirmed truth of the bible .

The first chapter is a must read for all those seeking truth !

Tithing was the Old Testament system and no longer valid . We do not sacrifice animals to God either . Jesus ended the whole system and now is at Gods right hand always for us !

That's awesome he intercedes on our behalf , no need to pay Levite's for priestly work .

But giving is always a good thing to to , do it wisely and be blessed .

Thank you Andrew for your response. And lest I suffer a further admonition, I submit the following (maybe in conclusion):

A. I can appreciate your understanding, where the example given by Paul of the Assyrian siege was to alert the Corinthians that the unknown tongue was given as a sign (to those that believe not), but it was also given as a condemnation to their improper use of the Gift, when an uninterpreted Tongue has no value in the Church & would be spoken as an unintelligible sound to all, as it was heard by Ephraim in captivity. And that was the whole point of 1 Corinthians 14.

B. I quoted the early Church fathers purely to show that the Trinity teaching didn't emanate from Constantine or others, but was believed right from the apostolic era.

That was interesting that you mentioned, "There is no issue with the divinity of Christ. The deity of Christ is His Father: God." Lest we're splitting hairs, are we not saying the same thing? That for Christ to be Divine, He would have his origins from within the Godhead? That the Trinity teaching speaks of One God from Whom emanates His Word & His Spirit - not three separate deities, but One God who is only One & manifests Himself in Three personalities. That any One of them cannot think, will or act independently or contrary to the other, since the Three are One (in Essence, in Purpose, in Mind).

I don't support the Oneness (Jesus Only) belief, which generally believe that Jesus is now only seen as God, having assumed the place of the Father & the Spirit.

That the "Word was made flesh", I believe was at His conception in Mary's womb & not at His baptism. And to state: 'Jesus had only one Father - God, from Whom Jesus, the Word, proceeded & was born of God to be made Man'. Jesus was eternally God's Word but chosen to be made flesh for our sakes. The point being: did Jesus come from within the Divine to be Man, or was He specially created by God & then infilled with the Divine at His Baptism? Blessings.

Amen! Lord says he is God alone! There is no one with him in the Godhead! He says he knows not any:

Isaiah

40: 25

41: 4

42: 8

43: 10, 11,

44: 6, 8, 24

45: 5, 6, 14, 18, 21, 22

46: 5, 9

48: 12

God loves judgement!

But unrighteous judgement he hates .

It's so important to understand His word , it's his judgement as well so we can do things right.

Many people will say don't judge , these are the same people that refuse to hear the word of God .

I will stop judging you all now ! Amen

John ch 14 v 26

Jesus said the Father would send the Holy Spirit to the disciples after He Jesus was departed .

Also Jesus was anointed with the Holy Spirit at his baptism by the father .

A few points to consider.

God is in full control over all !

Amen

I'm glad to see there are others not ashamed of the truth .

That Jesus is the Son of God .

Anything else and it's not the Jesus of the bible .

You make many valid points .

I agree that Jesus is as the bible and God himself declares that Jesus is the Son of God .

And even Jesus declared that God was and is his father .

The problem is that the spirit of truth only can understand this .

The spirit of error was very evident in the Roman Catholic Church . The trinity doctrine was the spirit of error that will never acknowledge the truth . It can not . Only those that have God dwelling in them can acknowledge Jesus as the Son of God . And not add to it more or take away from it .

1st John is loaded with who Jesus is . This subject has been on this web site before , but few of any things changed .

Jesus said continue in my word and the truth will set you free ! Amen

OnlytruthintheworldKJV, you were concerned of the time and dates on the 70th week ending and feel there is 3 years left. There are not any dates or time in the scriptures so we have to look at the recorded dates in history. This is the closest dates I can find in history records but it should be within a margin of erra, may it answer your doubts.

The 70 weeks of 7= 490 years. 483 years when Jesus was baptized. History places this around 29AD. Jesus' ministry was 3 years by the number of Passovers Jesus went to according to scriptures. We are at 486 years. Stephen's death is recorded around 36AD. This is around the same time Jesus stopped confirming the New Covenant through is Apostils and Peter had his dream and went to Cornelius and the gospel went to the Gentiles.

This prophecy was determined upon Israel and Jerusalem not the world, and these six things were to be fulfilled. See for yourself if these were fulfilled by Jesus. 1 To finish the transgression ( Isaiah 53:5, 8) ( Hebrews 9:15-18) 2. To make an end of sins ( Matthew 1:21) ( Hebrews 10:8-11) ( 1 John 3:5) ( Romans 8:3) 3. To make reconciliation for iniquity ( Colossians 1:20-22) ( Isaiah 53:6) ( Titus 2:14) ( 2 Corinthians 5:18-19) 4. To bring in everlasting righteousness ( Romans 5:17-21) ( 2 Corinthians 5:21) 5. To seal up vision and prophecy ( Daniel 9:23) ( John 6:27) ( Mark 1:14-15) 6. To anoint the most holy ( Hebrews 9:6-14).

The 3 years in Revelation starts when Satan is cast down and gives his power to the beast, not connected with the 70 weeks. If not clear its ok.

God bless Andrew, Ron

Please Pray for me, my friends, family, and Church (Calvary Southbury) as we are under demonic attack by generational occultists and their unclean spirits. Please plead the blood of Jesus over our natural enemies that they may become liberated from satanic tyranny and come into a saving relationship with Christ Jesus. Loose warrior angels to counter-attack the unclean spirits and their strongmen, in Jesus' name! Amen!

Proverbs 31 gives us a good starting point. Also Genesis 24

Humble yourself before Him and ask His forgiveness and repent, which means to go and never ever repeat these sins. This doesn't mean you will walk without sinning for we have all sinned and come short of the Lord. It means to refrain from committing deliberate sins such as you have listed and to ask God to forgive us when we accidentally do something wrong or fail.

Dear Lord, please stomp the curve of Covid on this military base. Amen.

I believe very similar like this:

"We believe that there is but one God, who is a Spirit, and the Creator of all things, the Father of all, over and through or in all, in us all; who is to ne worshiped in spirit and truth; to whom alone we look, as the Giver of life, raiment and food, as well as health and sickness, prosperity and adversity; Him we love as the author of all good, and fear Him as the discerner of our hearts.

We believe, that Jesus Christ is the Son and image of the Father, in whom dwells all the fullness of the Godhead; by whom we know as the Father; who is our Mediator and Advocate; and there is no other name under heaven given unto men, whereby we may be saved. In His name alone we worship the Father, and pour out no prayers before God, save those contained in the Holy Scriptures, or which fully agree with the sense of the same.

We believe, that we have a Comforter, the Holy Ghost, who proceeds from the Father and the Son; by whose inspirations we pray, and through whose effectual operation we are regenerated. This Holy Ghost operates in us all good works, and by Him we are led into all truth."

Confession 1-3 of the Waldenses and Albigenses

Martyrs Mirror Page 285

Thieleman J. van Braght English Edition

Hi Clara ,Abraham did not ever have anything to do with astrology ,if your husband keeps insisting about this then i would ask him to prove it and show you where it says this in the Bible ,if he is able to do this please come back on here and tell us which book and chapter and verse your husband thinks indicates this ,i would love to know why he thinks this ,thankyou and him and may God bless you both .