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Tithes and offering I have a problem with giving offerings to preachers is it wrong

Hi, Recently a couple who would support this virus as fake came into a food facility factory that is well regulated by thousands of industry standards including clothing, hair nets, beard nets, gloves, hand washing, record keeping, etc..

Inside were two happy born again young people performing work under these burdens. One of them was even singing a hymn quietly as he collected items off a conveyor belt. This couple knew these older children from having taught them how to drive a few years back. The building is not open to the public but we let our friends in without asking them to meet any conditions of the burden of the law over the facility. As soon as they were inside and saw the mask, the netting etc.. they raised their voices and brought up the fake virus, government and just laid a dark cloud on the conditions that were happy and at peace a few minutes before. We helped them with their needs happily and listened to their complaints while production was halted. Eventually they had what they needed including help in direction on a disease that the man carries on others with the same disease. These folks we love them no matter would also claim Jesus as their master too.

Have you considered Jer:17:13 the reason Jesus wrote on the earth? O Lord, the hope of Israel, All who forsake You shall be ashamed. " Those who depart from Me shall be written in the earth. Because they have forsaken the Lord, "The fountain of living waters".

Why were there only 12 deciples?

And why were they men except the marys

What does it mean about the branches and the vines

It's a real stretch of the imagination to relate the mask wearing to the mark of the beast. Face masks have been worn here in the past during the 1918 flue epidemic. It wasn't a sign of the beast then....

Revelation 13:16

"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:"

The beasts mark....to be on the right hand and or forehead. We should know when that comes.....

God Bless

please pray for Kristie and myself

Apologies about using the abbreviation - saving space.

Re: A. Indeed, Paul refers to Isaiah 28:11,12 though it has to be understood why he referenced it in 1 Corinthians 14:21. Ephraim was warned that because of their sins they would be carried into the Assyrian captivity where they would hear strange languages. This was a judgment against them: both the captivity & hearing God's Word in a language they didn't understand. So Paul uses that warning to Ephraim for the abuse of the Gift of other Tongues in the Corinthian Church. When the Gift ought to be used correctly (i.e. with interpretation) for the edifying of the Church, the Corinthians disregarded that & uttered in a manner that was unintelligible, resembling the confusion & nonsense that Ephraim was subjected to. So Isaiah's prophecy wasn't an authority for the future Gift of other Tongues but a warning to the Church to use the Gift correctly or else it would be of no use ( 1 Corinthians 14:7-11).

B: The Trinity. Whether of the 'Babylonian trinity' or 'Constantine's invention at the Council of Nicaea', I care little, since my appeal is to the Scriptures & I added the testimony of a couple of the early Church fathers. True, there is only one God & there is one Mediator between God & men, but we still have a problem when Scriptures reveal the Divinity of this Man Jesus. Even in John1:1-14, how can we disregard the Word of God, issued out of the Essence of God Himself, being sent forth into the World in a body of flesh. Is that impossible for God or could it be that our minds have difficulty in comprehending such a miracle? Also, could not God have provided another lamb (a special one-off creation & of complete purity) to be sacrificed for sinners? Why create a new sinless man for that purpose? Or, maybe it has something to do with the declaration of God's Love in the giving of Himself when no other sacrifice would be acceptable to Him. Philippians 2:5-11 is another compelling Scripture. Blessings to you.

The science ,technology, health and nanotech. Genetic coding and AI which is used everyday. The AI realizes it is or I Am so to speak. If you don't have the genetic coding of the Beast (AI) You will be inferior. You can't go to school here . Buy here . Work here. Sell here. It's knocking at the door. But be of good cheer. Jesus will soon meet his Church in the Clouds. Praise GOD

This is the yin/yang. The point is that everything is good in the right season, even death and war. All things must have a polar opposite to exist. We place our values on what is good and what is evil. But there can be no absolute rules because every thing is good and beautiful in the appropriate season. To pull up a plant is evil until it is ready to be harvested. Then it is good. See? This chapter also tells us that time does not exist but God gave us the sense of time adding to allow us to experience every part of His creation. It's a big video game. He programmed a reaction to every move you might make. But it's all pre-written since time began. This chapter confirms this fact.

Eric Lopez ,you are an absolute star ! You have taken me on a rollercoaster of a ride as i experience the books of Samuel through your excited commentary ,please dont stop ,i look for you every time i look on here , may God bring you closer to Him every day and may He fill your heart with His truth and love .

I see you are back in your frustrated attack mode again. As Paul stated 'those of the true church (spiritual church of God) shall die daily.'

I have given you enough information and scripture to answer all of your questions. As usual, meaning (from conversation with many other physical motivated christian's,) you have ears that hear and eyes that cannot see. Again I feel sorrow for that, with the hope that sometime this sorrow may bring your repentance, that is my hope; yes, your repentance. Each and every time is converse with other's such as yourself it reinforces why Jesus upset the 'table outside the temple'. May your day be full, of physical joy and happiness anh with hope you will understand the words of brother Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-11. Peace.

Daniel hi ,i cannot dispute most of what you say in this post except for one thing ,the virus isnt fake ,i promise you its not ,ive had it twice ! April of last year and Feb this year ,i promise you faithfully its real ,everything else you said was very interesting ,thankyou and may God bless you .

OnlytruthintheworldKJV ,thankyou thankyou thankyou . One million thankyous.

JESUS said beware of wolves in sheep clothing. We must believe JESUS.

Not yet sir I hope to have one soon

Please pray for the salvation of my prodigal spouse jeremy and for the Miracle of God and the Holy Spirit to heal wounds of our marriage and family making God the focus of our marriage and family resurrection restoration reconciliation. God let your will be done.

Even though it isn't declared in Numbers 32 that the half-tribe of Manasseh asked for the land to the east of the Jordan, it is understood that they did, as Numbers 32:33 indicate that Reuben, Gad & the half-tribe of Manasseh were given the land on the proviso that they first helped their brethren in the battle to capture the land to the west of the Jordan.

However, a Jewish commentator has seen this differently. He refers to Genesis 48:21,22 when he believes that this decision for the half-tribe of Manasseh to remain on the other side was based on the promise by Israel to Joseph "to give one portion above thy brethren". So he sees this as Moses' decision & not a wish on Manasseh's part. Whatever the truth of the matter, the half-tribe didn't seem to object to it, as that area "was a place of cattle" ( Numbers 32:1) & so it seemed to be a wise decision for their prosperity, as was for Reuben & Gad.

Greetings in Jesus' name, Chris.

Please forgive me not replying sooner, but I didn't see you had addressed your message to me due to the abbreviation.

A.

So concerning Isaiah 28:11-12. If this is not prophesying of the Holy Ghost as you claim; then why does Paul quote it in 1st Corinthians when speaking about the Holy Ghost and speaking in tongues?

1 Corinthians 14:21-22

21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Jesus himself said that those who believe will speak in other tongues: Mark 16:17

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

B.

As per your claim that the apostles believed in a "trinity" of gods, that is heresy. Every Jew (including Jesus) was taught from an early age on that there is only one God in reciting the Shema ( Deut. 6:4) Jesus quoted it in Mark 12:29:

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The LORD our God is one LORD:

Paul (also raised as a devout Jew under Gamaliel) also understood this:

1 Timothy 2:5

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

1 God + 1 man (in whom God dwelt - 2 Cor 5:19) does not = 3 "gods".

Research the pagan trinity of babylon (Nimrod, Semiramis & Tammuz) and how Constantine united pagans and "christians" @ the same time he was slaughtering Christians because they were just growing stronger the more he had them killed.

Numbers 23:19

19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

God did not become a man. God is a Spirit ( John 4:24).

...but with the mark of the beast one will not be able to buy or sell at all, anywhere.

In addition to this, the word pharmacy comes from the Greek word pharmakeus, which comes from pharmakon meaning 'magician' or 'sorcerer' in Strong's concordance.

Revelation 9:20-21 (KJV)

[20] And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

[21] Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries (Strong's Greek 5333 - pharmakn), nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

I have also seen comments online regarding the connection between 'tikto' and 'TikTok' (an evil platform), which as far as I am aware was heavily promoted alongside the rise of this virus, along with the connection 'TikTok' has with time. 'TikTok' (which I am assuming is from 'tick tock') means that the clock is ticking, and I believe can also be used to mean that time is running out.

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance for Tikto:

'bear, be born, bring forth

A strengthened form of a primary teko tek'-o (which is used only as alternate in certain tenses); to produce (from seed, as a mother, a plant, the earth, etc.), literally or figuratively -- bear, be born, bring forth, be delivered, be in travail.'

The last definition what Jesus said when speaking about the beginning of the end time events in Matthew 24:1-8 and Mark 13:1-8 being the 'beginning of sorrows'. In the interlinear Bible, the word 'dinn' is used and is translated as 'birth pangs'.

Matthew 24:1-8 (KJV)

Hello Marie,

You are exactly right, this virus is fake, along with other viruses. The mask wearing, social distancing, vaccine and anything else the world is enforcing or doing for this virus is satanic, and it appears as though most people have just gone along with it. I think most people know that this virus is fake, maybe even everyone, but most people are of the devil and I believe most people are a part of this lie. I also believe that this virus was the opening of the first seal of Revelation.

Revelation 6:1-2 (KJV)

[1] And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

[2] And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

Corona is latin for 'crown'. Coronavirus - 'crown'virus.

The one sitting on the white horse conquers with a bow without any arrows, which I believe means there is no actual warfare. This virus is a 'global pandemic', and has effectively 'conquered' the world: mask wearing, social distancing, businesses being closed etc.

Strong's Concordance - toxon: a bow

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance - 'From the base of tikto; a bow (apparently as the simplest fabric) -- bow.'

Toxic comes from the word toxon. This virus could possibly be regarded as 'toxic', or at least the 'effects' of it.

Fabric - mask wearing - these masks, at least the common ones people wear, can essentially be seen as simple fabrics.

Mandated mask wearing - covering the face with a 'fabric'. A large amount of emphasis has been placed on wearing these masks for this virus e.g., people posting pictures with the emphasis being placed on the masks they are wearing. Masks have been required for travel, entrance to stores etc. One cannot buy or sell in person without wearing a mask where masks are mandatory, and it appears that this mask mandate is similar to the mark of the beast,...

Hi Jesse. It's good to catch up with you after such a long spell. I have heard about this re-defining of a modern day prophet: no more of a foreteller but a 'forthteller' of God's Word. I must confess, that I've always had difficulty in accepting this definition as it seems to be one of convenience so that Ephesians 4:11-13 might be 'better understood'.

Paul gives us a list (maybe not intended to be comprehensive) of those specially equipped by the Spirit "for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ". And I note that the position of the Elders & Deacons (1 Timothy chap 3) are excluded from the list, indicating that their appointments were based on other criteria & not as a Spirit-enabled (but Spirit-led) provision.

Looking at Paul's list, the apostolic era was well & truly over (by the 1st Century) & could it also be the same with the prophetical era as God's Word was finally completed at the revelation given to John? So, the work of the Evangelist still goes on (& not referring to a believer's personal witness to someone), as also does the work of a Pastor & Teacher. I realize that there have been many 'prophets' over the centuries & even in recent times, but I always question their materiel & how accurate their prophecies have been. I'm inclined to think rather negatively about such claims, especially from their recent dismal showing.

So I tend to believe that the work of the Elder or Teacher of the Word is sufficient to fulfil the role of 'forthteller', in wisdom sharing what the Spirit desires to be taught to God's children.

Thank you for your kind words brother Richard. We're all learning & growing together so whatever the reader determines as true & useful to him/her, must be a positive for both head & heart knowledge. I've continued to follow most of the posts whilst away & noted particularly that you have been tested in the spirit by some, but have admirably come through established on God's Word & the the very real joy you have in Him. I continue to be refreshed by you & others who remain steadfast in the Word & faith. Every blessing.

Can you show me where wome are allowed to be preachers in the scriptures

Thank you Jesse, I like your thoughts and they speak to me. My wife and I when, we became engaged already Christians, we became one, even though we were 2,500 miles apart. We planned our wedding date and invited the guests. The day finally came where we by ceremony were officially (outwardly) married in the Lord. In our case it was her Dad, a minister of the Gospel that preformed the ceremony. When the wedding and prepared meal was over we left the guests and family and began our journey as husband and wife. Somehow even though this was not a Jewish wedding of times past it was a wedding that the Lord put together. My thoughts earlier have a hard time reconciling that after this marriage was consummated why we would ever be found separate as one of us returned to the world one more time for those who may have repented in not coming as guests when the invitations were sent.

Thank you Jesse for your help and time.

Romans 12:1-6 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:

So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;

Romans 12:9-15 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;

Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;

Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;

Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality.

Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.

Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.

Carleton,

I am not sure I understand what you are asking me?

Hello Carleton,

I am not sure who posted that, but it does look like it is word for word of what I posted a long while back.

To answer your question, I would have to say that we are already married to Him. We (The Church) are His bride now, present tense. We're just waiting for Him to come for us. Once He does, there will be a wedding feast in heaven and we will be there.

For the Jewish people, the marriage was different than what we see marriage to be today in our western world way of thinking. For them, once you became engaged, it was the same as being legally married. There was a one year period of separation between the bride and groom called a "time of purity." This was to make sure that the bride was not pregnant.

Do you remember in Matthew Chapter 1 when the angel appeared to Joseph in a dream and said do no fear to take unto thee Mary thy wife? This was during the 1 year engagement when Mary was pregnant. We would see it as them being engaged but not married yet. But the angel said "Mary Thy wife." They were already married. They were betrothed.

We are His bride now. One day when the Father says go and get your bride, He will come for us. And we will never be separated from Him. Our marriage to Christ is eternal. That marriage began the moment we received Christ.

Carleton's daydream written two days ago but not posted because it seemed to early:

My daydream: I wonder if the tribulation(s) were considered as now and in the past, how many more people would be more serious in living their Christian lives in carefulness as witnesses of the Truth. I wonder while time remains how much more and beautiful and peaceful the Kingdom of God on/in earth would be. I wonder if Christians might be less nationalistic and more pilgrim and stranger like. I wonder if there would be less suing and hating and more love and mercy. I wonder if voting outside of the Church would be unnecessary. I wonder how much more the Church would be able to prove it's members in ways that the New Testament instructs. I wonder if Christian fellowship would bond believers in deeper long lasting ways where separation hurts. I wonder if then, the Christian would be a peculiar people as defenseless lambs and a great drawing to all unbelieving people. I wonder how clearly the Lord Jesus's message to come would be seen and heard and read in the lives of believing people.

It is interesting to me that Jesus required the disciples to give up 'all" and go out in twos actually homeless as He did.

The birds have nests and the foxes holes yet the son of Man hath not a place to lay His head. Did Jesus "not" set the example of true ministry? Apparently Jesus and the disciples were invited into the homes of believers to eat and sleep so they did not have any other responsibilities to deal with. How simple..... down to earth.... It appears, to me, that the simplicity stopped there. They appeared to be busy almost continually with preaching the gospel to anyone who would listen and Paul seemed willing to give his testimony whenever there was an opportunity --------- even when they were trying to kill him when the soldiers rescued him and while on the steps he asked to give his testimony to those who wanted to kill him..... It was like he would make that sacrifice just for "one" person. Like God will move a mountain for just one person who is seeking for that wonderful "unction" available from the Holy One.

It appears, to me that many in this world have expressed a love for Jesus but want to change the ministry and even what Jesus looked like even though it states that the Godhead aught not to be thought of as graven from art and man's device.

Jesus couldn't have had long hair. In 1Cor it says "Doesn't even nature teach that is a shame for a man to have long hair. Jesus was a Nazarene and only Nazarites could make a vow and not cut any hair for 30 days up to 100 days. Then they had to shave it all off when the time was up. Anyone could choose to be a Nazarite --- try to be totally perfect during that period of time. If they failed to keep their vow they had to shave it off and start all over again. Just some interesting food for thoght.

God Bless all.......