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Revelation 3:19-22 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in His throne.

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Revelation 21:5-8 And He that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And He said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

And He said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Dear Tom,

One other aspect I have been led to reply to is about how you stated "once anointed one cannot sin". As I can only perceive what you mean is to have received the Holy Ghost after giving our life to the Lord? Unless this is from a higher level in which God knows exactly who are His from before we took our first breath in this earth. How He knows the end before the beginning which is truth.

Now I know some believe in "once saved always saved". Which is nice to think but there is Scripture to contradict with this thought. Like Hebrews 10:26-31, ( 2 Peter 10:20-22. Jesus stating in Matthew 7:21-23. Also in Matthew 24:10-12 that there shall be a falling away and it is "he that shall endure until the end, the same shall be saved".

As we are all just vessels it is Gods choice alone who is to be saved. As in Romans 9:19-24, ( 2 Timothy 2:19-21. Even when God spake to Moses in Exodus 33:19. It is all His will which is Holy and pure.

Though as stated in the couple verses I have posted it seems that people can lose their salvation. As I would believe there are people who have fallen away and maybe hate God and Jesus Christ now. Also knowing of a couple that have fallen away but come back to the Lord. Which I believe shall be forgiven. As it is His will and all things are possible with God.

Revelation 22:13

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

That said , Jehovah has no beginning nor ending. The Holy Spirit always was.

The Son of God, Jesus Christ, however; was born of a virgin - Matthew 1:18

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Thank you much for your reply Tom,

I very much enjoyed reading your reply and I agree with most of what you stated. One thing you stated is very special to me. Shown to me very early, by our Father, in my journey with the Lord.

To try and not make this too long. About ( 1 Corinthians 15 24-28. Stating how the last enemy to be destroyed is death, this being the end. The end of just my life or all physical life? I cannot see how God is not all in all now. How He is the source of all life. The Creator of all. Knowing everything about everything, knowing the end before the beginning, and always being in control in Heaven and earth. Like you stated it is His Will that shall be done not ours. Job 34:14-15. Death being a part of this physical life when our spirit shall return to God. Ecclesiastes 12:7. All we see is vanity but what is not seen is eternal as ( 2 Corinthians 4:18.

How do you perceive when Jesus states of the sin that shall not be forgiven in Matthew 12:32 "neither in this world, neither in the world to come"? Do you perceive this as another physical earth or world after us? Or as like unto the angels who sinned and were cast down(from Heaven) to Tartarus ( 2 Peter 2:4? Meaning neither in earth or in Heaven.

I thank you very much for your reply and cherish very much someone to converse about spiritual things like this.

I still do not understand what you mean about the Holy Spirit and Holy Ghost to be different. Can you please give a reply about how in the Textus Receptus, the Greek texts, which our Holy Bible(NT) is translated from. "Ghost" and "spirit" is the same Greek word "pneuma". Strongs number G4151. Translated over 250 times as "spirit" and over 90 times "ghost" in English. There is no difference in Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost. That I can see anyway.

Thank you again for your time sir. God Bless you.

I would like to know where to find in the bible about .. there are many mansions and I go to prepare a place for you

I can say without apology, by the Holy Ghost; speaking as the oracles of God ( 1 Peter 4:11), that the word of God declares that when someone receives the gift of the Holy Ghost, they will speak in an unknown tongue, prophesy and magnify God. This happened all throughout the book of Acts and still happens today

So if this hasn't happened with you, then no; you have not received the gift of the Holy Ghost, yet.

But the good news is you can still ask & seek the Father in prayer & praise for His promise.

Who told you that you had received the Holy Ghost because you felt peace..the bible? Or a man?

Since you avoided confirming the first question I posed to you, I will take it that you believe in a "trinity" of gods, & that you were baptized by a man who said, "I baptize you in the NAME of the Father Son and Holy Ghost " and never said the one NAME given among men by which we must be saved.

These words will either serve as a testimony for you or against you on judgement day. For your sake I pray it will be the former. Either way, your blood is off my hands.

Be well Richard

Man shall not liue by bread alone, but by euery word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Every word means just what it says. God's mystery is written in parables. These two letter words are just as meaningful as any other words. Thy kingdome come. Thy will be done, in earth, as it is in heauen.(in earth) one must be careful here to understand the spiritual meaning, not the physical meaning. It is actually saying; Thy will be done in the physical(earth) as it is in the spiritual(heaven). blasphemie against the holy Ghost, shall not bee forgiuen vnto men. The Holy Ghost is the spiritual baptism given to a few by the Father through Jesus the Christ. He mediates this anointment. Once anointed one cannot sin ( 1John 3:8-9) making blaspheme of the Holy Ghost impossible which eliminates the unforgivable sin spoken of. I could never go against the teaching of my brother Jesus Christ. Read throughly 1Cor 15:24-28, it answers if and when God shall be all in all, that time is yet to come. And when all things shall bee subdued vnto him, then shal the Sonne also himselfe bee subiect vnto him that put all things vnder him, that God may be all in all. If defilement could occur then God the Father would be judged as mistaken, heaven forbid. God makes no mistakes. The word 'if' puts a condition on the statement that follows it. God's decision making is never wrong so a judgement of God would never occur. Many statements in God's word are proceeded by 'if', be careful to under stand their true spiritual meaning, they are there for a reason just as 'in' and 'on' have their purpose. When one understands these words put there by God the Father one's walk becomes wholesome and one's faith grows into knowledge, knowledge no man can takeaway. May God's grace be with you.

when was god born

As this will probably be the last question I have for you Andrew. Being a yes or no question. Which I believed you have stated already but just to be sure. Are you saying I do not have the Holy Ghost because I do not speak in "unknown tongues"?

Thank you for your time.

God Bless.

Thank you Jesse, well you may have a Gospel twin that I have not seen in thirty+ years in the state north of here.

God bless your time and instructions.

Carleton

REVELATION 13

May the Spirit grace us with HIS wisdom and His understanding.

MEDITATE on this question. Did you buy or sell anything in the last two are three days?

Revelation 13:17 That NO MAN might buy or sell, save he had the mark of the beast......

SERIOUS THINKING, RIGHT. You will have to have the SPIRITS help to understand.

Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things that are written therein: FOR THE TIME IS AT HAND.

Carleton,

We do live in the same state, you being in the north end, me in the south, but I promise you that was not me!!!

Carleton,

Encouraging/building each other up is what it's about. You share things that are uplifting, and you do it with so few words. In fact, your short reply touched me in a very special way. It brought a tear to my eye where you said "I am weak no doubt," referring to yourself.

I think that brought some conviction to my own heart in that I don't confess that enough. I do thank you for that. Although that may not have been your intent, I believe the Lord works that way. I believe that's how he uses us.

Did you know that is when we are at the strongest point in our relationship with Christ; is when we confess our weakness before Him? He has a way of bringing us to that point!

My thoughts on what happens when the Church is lifted up are that we'll be part of the wedding feast taking place in heaven while the world is in chaos. I shared on here about a year ago the actual 7 steps of a Jewish wedding. These 7 steps parallel the events spoken of in Matthew Chapters 24 and 25.

Here are the steps of a Jewish wedding:

1) The groom barters with the father of the bride.

2) If the bride approves of the wedding, she drinks from the Covenant Cup.

3) The groom goes back to his father's house to build their living quarters.

4) The Father of the Groom decides when the living quarters are done. It can take a minimum of one year and a maximum of two years. The Groom can go get his bride when his father decides it is time.

5) When the marriage announcement is made, the people who have been invited to the wedding feast take positions along the parade route. They join the parade as it passes by.

6) When the groom reaches the bride's house, he stands at a distance and blows the shofar for the bride to come out to meet him. The wedding takes place at this time.

7) The parade goes back to the groom's house and the wedding feast begins. All of the guests in the parade gather in the Fellowship Hall and the door is shut.

I can expound, but I'm sure you'll make the connection!

Hello again Jesse, as I said you got me thinking. Have you ever bought oranges for making juice for donation purposes? You seem very familiar to me.

Carleton

Susan, you are pretty much on point, The Lord is our Shepherd and we are his sheep. Sheep knows its shepherd's voice. You can put several flocks of actual sheep together in one field and the shepherd can call his sheep and they will come to him. They trust he will keep them safe from the wolves in this world. We can put all our faith in our Shepherd, Jesus Christ, and have rest and peace we are saved in our salvation even if we face death, we are safe in eternity with Him.

God bless, Ron

I'm not sure if David knew Joab killed him. I don't think so for he said God will bring justice to Abner's death. It was wrong for Joab to kill him when there was truce between David and Abner. That's why I think David mourned him that he was killed foolishly and not by honor.

REVELATION 15

May the Spirit grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS knowledge.

Revelation is about the kingdom of heaven, CHRIST IN YOU AND YOU IN CHRIST.

Ephesians 2:15

Luke 17:21

Colossians 1:27

This chapter is a vision of the finished work of the cross.

Revelation 15:1 ....having the seven last plagues, in them (plagues) is filled up the wrath of God.

These plagues had to be fulfilled before the kingdom of heaven is possible.

(vs 2) The sea is symbolic of people ( Revelation 17:15) the fire is symbolic of Christ ( Hebrews 12:29) these have become one with Christ ( John 17:21)( Ephesians 2:15).

(vs 3-4) The praises to God for their salvation.

(vs 5) Access to the temple is near. The temple is symbolic of Christ. Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up ( John 2:19)

(vs 6-7) The wrath of God is now ready to be poured out.

(vs 8) .....no man is able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels be fulfilled.

Isaiah 53:10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him...

THE WRATH OF GOD WAS POURED OUT ON CHRIST, the last plague being death; now we can enter the temple (CHRIST IN YOU AND YOU IN CHRIST) Christ has become our PASSOVER LAMB, death has passed over us.

Hebrews 11:5 By FAITH Enoch was TRANSLATED that he should not see death .....

Colossians 1:13 .... and hath TRANSLATED us into the kingdom of his dear Son

Well praise the Lord!

Pardon my redundancy but since this is a dalvation issue allow me to confirm; you have been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ (and not the titles Father Son and Holy Ghost) for the remission of sins?

Verily what you said that The Father (God), The Word (God) and the Holy Ghost (God) are one. However, if you happen to believe that the word; Word actually means Christ, or Son of God, then unfortunately you have been deceived by rome's sorcerers/ theologians. JOHN 1:1 KJV 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Amen.

The word, Word means written or spoken unit of communication. Just like these words I am writing to you here. They are my word (aside from my Father's word -1 Perer 4:11 :) and they are with me.

In summary, getting back to the original question at hand: yes, the Holy Scriptures clearly show that every time someone received the Gift of the Holy Ghost in the book of Acts, the initial manifestation and evidence of it is that they would speak in an unknown tongue (be it of men or angels) and prophesy and magnify God, Hallelujah! This is not to misconstrue the initial evidence of having received the Gift with the individual 'gift of diverse tongues' or being able to speak in known languages of men without ever having learned them (Paul speaks of this in 1 Corinthians 12).

So yes, in summary, all who receive the gift of the Holy Ghost will speak in an unknown tongue as the Spirit gives them utterance. However not all have the gift of diverse tongues. Covet the best gifts.

I hope this helps you so that you can press in in prayer and praise and receive the Gift, as Jesus said in Luke 11:13 13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Amen.

We don't want to boast of a false gift as that would make us like what is spoken of in Proverbs 25:14, & Jude 1:12 if we continue.

Be well

My comment I just posted

Amen! Lord says he is God alone! There is no one with him in the Godhead! He says he knows not any:

Isaiah

40: 25

41: 4

42: 8

43: 10, 11,

44: 6, 8, 24

45: 5, 6, 14, 18, 21, 22

46: 5, 9

48: 12

Study this.

Be blessed in Jesus name.

I serve a living God. Amen!

Hello Jesse, Thank you for my needed encouragement. I am weak no doubt. What are your thoughts of what happens when the Church is lifted up, she is the bride, will there be an immediate marriage and consummation?

Got me thinking again!

Carleton

As I see racism in your post. You not even knowing who you posted that to.

I will just leave the verse from Jesus Christ instead of saying it myself. Matthew 12:36-37.

God Bless you.

I apologize for misquoting your statement.

Although is this not what this discussion was about? Needing to speak in "tongues" to know you have the Holy Ghost? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

God Bless.

Hello Andrew,

As I agree with you there are many false teachers/doctrines out in the world today. The only one I feel is not false, although can be taken out of context like anything, is the trinity. Only meaning the Father, the Word, and Holy Ghost are one. Tri(three) +unity(joined/one)= the word trinity. Which I believe.

Let's stay on track with what we began to discuss though. Being "tongues" is needed to prove, or show, you have the Holy Ghost? If this is off please correct me.

Your question of "have I been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ" is yes.

Thank you. God Bless.

Tom,

I am in no way frustrated. Your question of "in" or "on" has nothing to do with what started our conversation. Please don't think I called you a fool sir. The question was foolish to me. When Jesus spake(or Isaiah himself) Luke 4:18 "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me" does that mean He was not filled with the Spirit of God? Or was it just "upon" Him? Not seeing any reason to give thought to that detail. Just to show "on" or "in" is in Scripture and doesn't seem to make much of a difference. And that being about the Spirit of the Lord being "in" or "on".

So back to thinking "spirit" and "ghost" are different for some reason. Even stating in the original Greek texts there is no "spirit" or "ghost". It is the same word. What do you reply to that? Also no reply about Luke 11:13 etc?

Maybe another thing. You state there is no unforgivable sin. Which Jesus spake in Matthew 31-32 that there is. Are you against the teachings of Jesus Christ?

You also state there will be no more Jesus Christ one day? Is not God all in all now? Is he not the source of all life and the Creator of everything? His knowledge, wisdom, is surpassing anything anyone can even comprehend. He knows everything because He is in everything.

Then you stated "God the Father would be judged as mistaken" for whatever reason. God cannot be judged by anyone or anything. He is the Almighty and He does whatever He pleases. As you wrote "God makes no mistakes" which is correct. Then why would have Jesus spake of an unforgivable sin. But you say there isn't? It seems you have come to your own conclusion on this and surpassed the Word of God?

Jesus Christ is our Savior and Salvation sent by our Father. He is the only way to the Father and I don't think He's ever going anywhere.

Seeing as you are and elder saying "you have studied the Bible for 60 years" I shall patiently wait for your reply to the couple questions I stated. If you would like. With respect.

God Bless.

It comes from the word TAPHOS which could be translated into English as a burial place or tomb.

Paul is saying in 1John 2:8 that the things which were prophesied from the beginning about Jesus Christ the Messiah is now been revealed and fulfill in him. Daniel 12:4 But thou O Daniel shut up the words and seal the book even to the time of the end many shall run to and fro and knowledge shall be increased.

Shirley,

According to Jewish law, Herod was committing adultery. That is why John said it is unlawful for you to have your brother's wife.

Leviticus 18:16 says "Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother's wife: it is thy brother's nakedness."

Again in Leviticus 20:21, it says "And if a man shall take his brother's wife, it is an unclean thing: he hath uncovered his brother's nakedness; they shall be childless.

Verse 2 God causes me to rest and obtain tranquility is this the interpretation I am looking for in this verse?