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"And, behold, (1) the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and (2) the earth did quake, and (3) the rocks rent; And (3) the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after His resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God." Mat 27:51-54
This was preceded by 3 hours of darkness from noon til 3 PM.
We are not told any more information about the saints who arose only to die again as did Lazarus who who Jesus raised from the dead. Jesus was The Firstfruits of those who have died In Christ.
"But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept." 1Co 15:20
The Old Testament saints, believed God, just as Job of old trusted God.
"For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me." Job 19:25-27
We will be raised INCORRUPTIBLE!
"Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." 1Co 15:51-52
These that arose were not changed; not raised incorruptible.
This needs to be called out, because sometimes even Christians use mental gymnastics to pretend that their sins are 'ok'. No, it's not ok. Jesus said to not sin. He said cut off your own hand if you have to, to stop sinning. Do absolutely anything possible to stop it and avoid going to hell. If you ignore Him and sin, that's like you slapping Jesus in the face. If you keep doing it, it's possible you're not even a Christian. A Christian is a Christ follower which is an action. People who enjoy committing sin and following the world will probably go to hell, whether they call themselves a Christian or not. That is the reality that fewer people these days are grasping the seriousness of. Matthew 7:20-23.
If sin didn't matter, why would there even be a judgment day and why would sins even be reviewed in front of God? Sin absolutely matters and every single thing you do to violate God's commands will be judged. Romans 14:12
I think the false assumption comes from misinterpreting a verse. Sin is sin, but it does not mean all sin is of the same severity. That is a false assumption. For instance blasphemy is different than blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Jesus says flat out that you will not be forgiven for the latter. There are more Bible references to prove that sins have different severity. Matthew 12:36-37
God bless...
So, when I hear someone adamantly saying the US was not a Christian nation then says a few authors of history books said so, I don't believe it. I instead believe the evidence of historical documents quoting the Bible, of speeches quoting scripture, of monuments honoring God and scripture, of our dollar bill which still says in God we trust, of our pledge of allegiance which has God in it. Yes, some were Masons too, but most were Christians who desperately wanted freedom. Now, we have pro-communist people trying to destroy the country and limit your freedom that so many fought and died for. So, yes, this is a Christian nation, is still, but has fallen greatly. Immorality and sin will be it's demise, however, just like how Rome or many other powerful entities fell. No anti-conservative or anti-Christian propaganda will change my mind on what the truth is. If someone is confused on what the truth is they should seek God and pray.
On the 6th day God made humans and they are created in the image of God---holy and good. When Adam and Eve sinned God dressed them in skins. Gen 3:21 "Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD GOD make coats of skins, and clothed them." In my dictionary skins is a general term for the outer covering of the animal body. Now they are like the animals -not good not holy. After they sinned God saw them as animals. In Romans those given to unnatural sex changed the glory (the goodness) of God into images like birds, four-footed animals, beasts, creeping thing etc. They changed the goodness (his Glory) into what is not like God---animals, etc. They had departed from goodness. They no longer were the image of God. Remember the tree they ate from, the tree of good and evil. They committed evil. That is where evil began. Evil people are not the image of God.
Jesus said this: written in Red: "But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication [porneia], causeth her to commit adultery [moichao]: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery [moichao]" Matthew 5:32. If a spouse is married to a spouse who commits unnatural sex the spouse who does not believe in unnatural sex has grounds to divorce the one who does. Isn't this proof we are waiting for the Jesus who will say this?
There is ONE interpretation of Joshua 2:13-20. Any passage has ONE INTERPRETATION not many. It is not the same as this typology or picture of Jesus rising on the third day. The interpretation would be what a reader would have understood in 1300 BC or 20 AD. The correct interpretation is the message that the writer meant to convey not the interpretation you want to give it. There may be an additional message in a typology but typology is not allegory, which is reading into the text what is not there as the interpretation. For instance, studying Leviticus may be difficult apart from typology, but the typology does not change the meaning of what the Ark of the Covenant was to an OT believer.
Matthew 27:52-53 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
(53) and came out of the graves after HIS RESURRECTION, and went in to the holy city, and appeared to many.
Understanding these scriptures takes other scriptures and the HOLY SPIRIT causing you to understand.
Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead men shall live, TOGETHER WITH MY DEAD BODY SHALL THEY ARISE......
This prophecy is three fold, Christ promises the (called out) saints of the old testament and the (called out) saints of the new testament along with (HIS) dead body would RISE TOGETHER.
Hebrews 11:16 But now they (saints of old) desire a better country, that is, a heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called there God: for he hath prepared them a (HOLY) CITY. The one in Matthew 27:53
Hebrews 11:39-40 And these all (saints of old), having obtained a good report through faith, RECEIVED NO THE PROMISE (eternal life, it would be given to them at Christ resurrection).
(40) God having provided some better thing for us (the called out of the new testament will never see death, we were resurrected with Christ), that they (saints of old) without us (new saints) should not be made perfect (image of Christ, who only hath immortality, [eternal life] 1 Timothy 6:16).
Luke 20:36 Neither can they (the called out) die any more (they [WE ARE SIN] died with Christ on the cross, were buried and arose with him): for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, BEING THE CHILDREN OF THE RESURRECTION.
Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION.
Psalms 103:20 Bless the Lord, YE HIS ANGELS, that excel in strength, that do his commandments,
hearkening unto the voice of his word.
Revelation 7:4 Describes the called out saints of the old testament that were sealed with the Holy Spirit (Christ).
This conversation started on another thread between me and someone else, Our focus was on charity, I didn't then and don't now care to put a lot of energy to the everlasting tongues debate. It seems
you used that opportunity to open up a dialog on the subject go right ahead,
you don't need me to engage. All we did was quoted Paul on that initial thread. You seem to have a issue with Paul's writings. so why don't you explain the verses in your own words. 1 Corinthians 12:27-31. Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
1 Corinthians 13:8-10. Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
1 Corinthians 14:5. I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
1 Corinthians 14:6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine? 1 Corinthians 14:7-12 (KJV) And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?
For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
You have noted another interesting parallel, with the details, in Joshua 2:15-18. Wonderful!
God Bless you Skip.
"A Christian nation it shouldn't be no different."
I just read your response at this late date. I reject your thought that America is or ever was a Christian nation. I do accept the fact that at it's inception, it was a nation "of" professing Christians primarily dominating the society, and as such, that faith should be reflected in the character of it's elected leaders and issues of governance.
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
John Adams, 2nd President of the United States
Therein lies the American delemma today.
Those who blame the government have very little understanding of how it is supposed to work. As recently retired I have expanded my reading time and quite a few books have handled American history, politics and western cultural development. This site is not the place to go into the many interesting things I've learned, but I do wish to leave you with one smattering of facts. At the time of the Civil War the majority of American churches taught a covenant theology and truely believed that victory of the church in world affairs would usher in the return of Christ. Also, the "Origins of Species by Means of Natural Selection", by Charles Darwin was hailed as science advancing knowledge and lent support to the position of racial descrimination that has so inflamed our society to this very day. Ironically Lincoln's party was no less discriminatory than the southerners and carried that fault in their political stance well into the 1920's. Only after the Civil War did the Federal government begin to swell into the massive financial and intrusive monster it is today.
Given a chance to sit down and discuss these and more matters, I can imagine more agreement between us.
One more pre-America tidbit, look up the 1746 destruction of the French fleet and the connection to Boston.
"And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ." 2Co 3:13-14
7-8 IF the ministration of death (glory to be done away) THEN the ministration of the spirit (rather glorious)
9 IF the ministration of condemnation (be glory) THEN the ministration of righteousness (exceed in glory)
11 IF that which is done away (WAS glorious), THEN much more that which remaineth (IS glorious)
When Moses went before The Lord, his face shined. So he put a veil over his face when he talked with the people.
13-14 Paul says contrary to what Moses had to do, Paul didn't need to do that. Referring to the unbelieving Jews of old up to that day, who had hard unregenerate hearts THAT WERE COVERED LIKE A VEIL. BUT whenever someone turns to God in faith, the VEIL IS LIFTED.
"But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord." 2Co 3:18
The unbeliever has a veil over his eyes of understanding. But whenever someone turns to God, the veil is removed.
Sorry for the delay.
Isa. 1:9, "Except the Lord of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and ye should have been like unto Gomorrah."
This remnant are the 144,000 virgins mentioned in Revelations.
Look at it this way.
On a human level male and females who have not experienced intercourse are said to be virgins.
All those who have not experienced unnatural sex, the sex of Sodom and Gomorrah are virgins in their relationship with God.
Matthew 27:52-53 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
(53) and came out of the graves after HIS RESURRECTION, and went in to the holy city, and appeared to many.
Understanding these scriptures takes other scriptures and the HOLY SPIRIT causing you to understand.
Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead men shall live, TOGETHER WITH MY DEAD BODY SHALL THEY ARISE......
This prophecy is three fold, Christ promises the (called out) saints of the old testament and the (called out) saints of the new testament along with (HIS) dead body would RISE TOGETHER.
Hebrews 11:16 But now they (saints of old) desire a better country, that is, a heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called there God: for he hath prepared them a (HOLY) CITY. The one in Matthew 27:53
Hebrews 11:39-40 And these all (saints of old), having obtained a good report through faith, RECEIVED NO THE PROMISE (eternal life, it would be given to them at Christ resurrection).
(40) God having provided some better thing for us (the called out of the new testament will never see death, we were resurrected with Christ), that they (saints of old) without us (new saints) should not be made perfect (image of Christ, who only hath immortality, [eternal life] 1 Timothy 6:16).
Luke 20:36 Neither can they (the called out) die any more (they [WE ARE SIN] died with Christ on the cross, were buried and arose with him): for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, BEING THE CHILDREN OF THE RESURRECTION.
Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION.
Psalms 103:20 Bless the Lord, YE HIS ANGELS, that excel in strength, that do his commandments,
hearkening unto the voice of his word.
Revelation 7:4 Describes the called out saints of the old testament that were sealed with the Holy Spirit (Christ).
And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
I do not understand what this means. Could someone educate me please and thank you?
Do you understand why we pray in tongues be the spirit prays for our future to be with God ...
Book of Jude verse 20 ...Tells us to pray always in the Holy Ghost building up our most Holy Faith says it all
and all you do is want to explain speaking in tongues away ....
Spencer from old to the new testament is a precept put in place by God ..Speaking in tongues confirms spiritually God has given you his Holy Spirit ....God says he gives th Holy Spirit only to htem that obey him ...and if you have not the Spirit Of God your none of his
"felt gods love and power In my life"
As with so many today there is a great attachment to feelings, however, God's love goes well beyond emotion and is a commitment to you. Your commitment to him is a return to him of some of that love. You understand our love for him pales in comparison to his love for us, nevertheless, returning love pleases him in a way that is unique to each person that is in that relationship with him.
I quit smoking years before becoming saved, and was truely shocked at my first attempt when I had the physical cravings filling my thoughts constantly. I was committed to quitting and indeed over time the cravings were much more manageable, till some time later, that habit died. As a newborn Christian you have need to feed that new person and there is nothing better than God's word. Spend time with God in prayer/discussion and your relationship will grow. A plan for your life is quite simple, feed the new person you've become in Christ and starve the old person of things that draw you away from God. I have learned and you will also, that it is indeed true that " Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him." 1Corinthians 2:9, an abundant life, and "Thou wilt shew me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore." Psalms 16:11. I hope/expect your desire to get closer to God will extend/last unto evermore, as will happen with all believers.