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I agree, that 'fornication' is used quite often in the Bible, but when we examine the Scriptures referring to it, we would find that it doesn't always apply to how we understand it now, but can have several meanings & applications. There are references to Israel's spiritual fornication ( 2 Chronicles 21:11 & Ezekiel 16:26,29) & we know of the heathen's compulsion in this area associated with temple worship where temple prostitutes served to bring worshippers to a heightened experience of their god. A grievous sin indeed, but we shouldn't make this sin our focus because of its numerous references, as all sin, as seen in every book of the Bible, is as much sin as fornication is. But if fornication is made to be the cause of all sin, then we'll find that we have to alter the intent & meaning of relevant Scriptures to suit our belief & for this, thus you will have noticed the comments coming to you from us, to highlight this error.

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Thank you Marilyn, for sharing a little of the background for your focus & insistence about fornication being the cause of sin.

From what you've shared, & maybe as a younger more nave lady, such a response from your Pastor would have truly shocked you as something unbelievable & abominably disgraceful. And that he added, "all men do that", surely must have applied to those who have that disposition & not to ALL men, including himself. Maybe you should have sought further clarification from him about what he just told you, but I guess you were in great distress & perplexity.

So armed with that revelation from him, you began your search in the Bible. Then with what you do know now (i.e. the truth), that such sins of o & a sex, are limited to those of homosexual disposition & not to heterosexual men (which are still in the majority, I hope), I'm left wondering why you still feel that from this type of sin all others are produced. In Sodom, this sin was clearly evident but so were many other sins (as in any country or community even today), so from where did your firm belief arise? The sin of fornication is indeed a most wicked sin, but it is only one of a countless number of sins which God detests & which sends men to hell. Even if a man or woman does not sin by fornication (in mind or body), some other sin will get them & consign them to hell.

In this chapter, the Apostle Paul writes about the supremacy of Love over all the Gifts of the Spirit. From verse 8, he says that one day all those gifts will fade away & disappear, but NOT Love. So, while our knowledge in all things is very deficient compared to what God knows, one day all that will change when "that which is perfect comes".

There are differing views on what "that" is. Some say, the Word of God, so that we may know much more now, than Christians in those days. Others feel that it is when Christ comes (but then, why refer to Him as "that" or not "Christ"?), or maybe when we reach full maturity in Christ, as individuals & as a Church, most likely when we're in God's Presence. When this happens our knowledge will be complete. But for now, (v 12) we 'look at a mirror that is not well made or polished, therefore not with clarity (as in those days with silver or brass & not glass), but one day we will see all things clearly. Now our knowledge is only partial, but in the future we will know all things, even knowing ourselves as how God knows & sees us'.

how can I get saved

The Apostle Paul is writing about his authority to bring the Corinthians teaching from God's Word & this he did through the Holy Spirit Who makes God's Word real & applicable by writing it in our hearts & not on tablets of stone.

When Paul was first Saul the Pharisee, his teaching came from both the Law of God & the traditions of men (i.e. Rabbinical teaching). He now writes that he no longer teaches that, nor can he, as the new life he has in Christ urges him to proclaim the message of the New Covenant & not the Old. What was the teaching under the Old Covenant? That man (the Jew), had to note every written Command of God ("the letter of the Law"), & had to given mental assent to it & obey it to the letter. If he failed, he suffered terribly. This was because the Law was given to show them how sinful they were, how they couldn't find complete deliverance from sin, & therefore any attempt to obey the Law fully would never work & would only result in their death/judgement.

But, writes Paul, unlike the Letter of the Law, the Spirit of God Who writes God's Laws upon our hearts, enables us to know what is sin & what is not, what pleases God & what doesn't, or how to use discernment over many things that come to us. And so our immediate confession to God when we fail Him & sin, sees the efficacy (continual application) of Christ's Blood for our cleansing & an assured, joyful heart. The Jews never had that experience, because the Law wasn't designed for that - it only brought him death & not life. But Jesus said, "I am come that they might have LIFE, and that they might have it more abundantly." John 10:10.

No problem Paul,

On this "God and Jesus are not the same" all I can do is give you my perception on this. As other people may have different views. Maybe others more learned than I would like to share but I will proclaim what I feel about our Lord Jesus Christ. I do not believe Jesus Christ is God the Father as it seems pretty obvious to me as they are two, Father and Son. Although things like Jesus stating "I and the Father are One" and "If you have seen me you have seen the Father" some people may use those to proclaim that "Jesus is God". As I have said before I really have no problem with people saying Jesus is God as they are One. As God is Spirit the Father being in the Son and the Son in the Father is truth. They being One. All things that the Father has have been given to the Son.

Jesus Christ being the Elect or Chosen One of God. He is the Word of God and the Perfect Lamb of God. The Mediator between God Almighty and man. Sent to us by our Perfect Father in Heaven to bear our sins on His shoulders.( 1 John 2:1-2. By the Glorious Grace and love that God has for us. I believe Isaiah 42 is a good chapter, in the Old Testament, that speaks about Jesus Christ.

Maybe some other verses of Jesus and the Father not being the "same" even though they are One:

Proverbs 30:4

Matthew 26:39

John 8:17-18

John 20:17

( 1 Timothy 2:5

The Book of John is my favorite out of the four books of the journey of Chirst. Reading chapter 15-17 is good to see correlation between the Father and Son.

I hope what I have replied helps you. This is Truth to me in how my eyes have been lead to perceive the Lord Jesus Christ. And no person has taught me these things.

God Bless you brother.

I apologize, I thought you were specifically referring to the Rapture of the Church. But if you're reading through the Book of the Revelation, it is a difficult book to read because of the various imagery that is used. These imageries, such as the beast from the sea, the horses from Heaven, the sword from the mouth, etc., were shown to the Apostle John as depictions of what is to happen & not necessarily actual animals or objects.

So, in answer to your question, I understand that the those left behind to face God's Wrath are those who are unbelievers, & also those who think they are believers, but are not. That is why, throughout the epistles by the apostles, the challenge is always given as to the 'Christian's' position in Christ: are they truly saved & in God's family, or merely imposters, who might show some spirituality, attending Church, etc., but lead lives that carnal & never born again of the Spirit? Of course, we can never be in a position to judge someone else's salvation - we have to accept one another & encourage them. But when sin is made evident to us, or wrong teaching given, we must take action, whether to give help or deal with those who alter God's Word for their own ends.

However, since you're asking about those left behind, you will be aware of the different views on this by many Christians. Some, like me, believe that the Rapture is for believers to remove them from the time of God's Wrath (Pre-Tribulation Rapture). Others believe in a Mid-Tribulation Rapture (occurring in the middle of the Tribulation). And others, a Post-Tribulation Rapture (that all people, including Christians, go through the Tribulation & then Jesus comes to take us away). You would have to discern with the Spirit's help as to how you need to understand the Scriptures on this matter.

Thank You Richard for the help does this prove that god and Jesus are not the same if not where can I fine it at

Yes, we are told not to change the Bible. Not to change one dot or one title of the word of God. Yet, we have many, many, many new versions of the Bible that have removed the word fornication. Even the New King James has reduced the number of times it is used from 32 to 12 and removed it from Jude. You should look up the NIV and see how they have changed the scriptures. You can search it on the internet.

However, when the blind lead the blind much of what the blind believe is not the truth. The Bible tells us those in Sodom and Gomorrah are God's lying children and when we look at the Christianity of today many denominations will marry and ordain the gays. No truth is being spoken in those denomination. Which denomination is telling truth? Is there one?

God said he had to shorten a day or no flesh would be saved. Are we close to God having to shorten a day or no flesh will be saved?

Hi Barry sorry to correct you once more but Moses father in law was Jethro, and yes he did tell Moses to set up leaders to help him judge the people, and the most serious matters Moses would judge, On a side note this would be similar to what most democratic nations have as a judicial system today. While reading your comment I realized that I had forgotten that Moses was also married to an Ethiopian woman, so thank you for reminding me. GB

Exodus 18:1 "When Jethro, the priest of Midian, Moses' father in law, heard of all that God had done for Moses, and for Israel his people, and that the LORD had brought Israel out of Egypt;" Exodus 18:2 "Then Jethro, Moses' father in law, took Zipporah, Moses' wife, after he had sent her back," Exodus 18:21 "Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness; and place such over them, to be rulers of thousands, and rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens:"

Numbers 12:1 "And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman."

Enjoy reading the chapter and doing the trivia question.

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Can someone help me understand 2 Corinthians 3:6....what did Paul meam when he said the letter killeth?

Hi Charles, there's a nice page for how to become a Christian: Link

When I read my KJV bible it tells me to believe as a child, and so I do believe, in Rev 22:18-19 it tells me not to add nor subtract from the words written in this book, and I don't. When you say "It is more logical to believe there were other people for them to marry." you ignore the fact of; who then created them, or where were they from, did they also sin like Adam and Eve or were they sinless, and so many more unanswered questions. After they disobeyed God and eat of the fruit of the tree, and sinned in the garden, scripture tells us in Genesis 3:20 "And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living." then, as per your logic, scripture must be wrong. Then I must agree with Paul when he says "God forbid". Noah and his family would have had a similar situation, only with four families instead of one as Genesis 7:6-13 Noah was six hundred years old at the time of the flood, Also Lot in Genesis 19:30-38

I've had similar conversations with some of my friends over the years, we need to understand that, all these events happened prior to the law being given to Moses, and for these events happening as scripture says it does, and as per God's plan, I believe. I do hope this helps.

1 Corinthians 1:25 "Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men."

Hello Paul,

I did the search for you brother:

Matthew 26:64, Mark 14:62, Luke 22:69

Psalms 110:1

Mark 16:19

Acts 2:33

Acts 7:55-56

Romans 8:34

Ephesians 1:20

Colossians 3:1

Hebrews 1:3

Hebrews 8:1

Hebrews 10:12

Hebrews 12:2

( 1 Peter 3:22

Acts 2:34-25

How do I become a born again Christian?

Why does the new American bible goto Malachi 3:24 but the kjv ends Malachi at 3:18 and then takes19 to 24 from the new American bible and makes king James version chapter 4 : 1 to 6 Elijah and king sirus are with me I was 45 when the ammo ting happened. I was anointed at 45. Moses and Enoch are with the other witness from revelation 11:4 I'm not kidding its me. I'm the prophet Bobby Vee I've had a vision of the rapture the dead rising I also had a vision of nuclear war and I've had visions of the Hoover dam being bombed. You can pick the bodies up in Mexico when it white washes the wall out from Ezekiel. Keep God and Jesus first place were here. Beast one is the democrats beast 2 is the republicans. 100 percent. The Hoover breaks soon. I saw it in my vision. The catholic church has been hiding my book they have been hiding my music message and they are not marrying like I told them too like Martin Luther told them also. They do not want to commune my message. They are in denial of my message and they have tried to hush me. They have no holy spirit anointing in there church they are Luke warm and ignorant and I forgive them but I'm a you'll graft in Jew from Amos 911. The catholic church is acting wrongly listening to the world and not their prophets . they've hurt this message so much. Its hurtful that they are like this. The pope maybe the anti pope I'm watching him closely . and they are saying I'm not acting right. You have to be kidding me. They are in denial and if they don't wake up from being Luke warm their going to be in trouble

I like reading the Bible on my BlackBerry cell phone.

Yes, Chris, You have asked what made me begin to study about what the Bible tells us about human sexuality. Years ago I made a trip to San Francisco where I heard of men having sex with men. In my mind's eye I put two men together face to face and said, "I don't see how they could do anything." When I arrived home, I asked my pastor what do two men do sexually? He answered, "They commit oral sex." And then he added, "All men do that." I was shocked! The first thought that came into my mind was, "I wonder what God says about that? I began my study to find the answer to that question. Because he believed all men do that, I assumed he was including himself. I took my membership out of Christianity at that time. I don't belong in a group like that. The second thought that immediately came to mind was, "I wonder if that has anything to do with cancer?

The Bible has much to say about human sexuality. Fornication is one of the main words it uses. In 1 Corinthians 6:13 it declares, "The body is not made for fornication, but for the Lord. " And in Jude we know that those in S&G committed fornication. But the body is not made for that. Many translation have removed the word fornication from the Bible. Even the New King James removed it from the book of Jude.

You say: "He who comes INSTEAD, od Jesus".

Lucifer the USURPER.

Not the Vatican iraelf, but the fale pope, the "Hipc-Cripta" ("Behind-Mask" in Greek fpr) "Actor".

Begoglio, the leaven of the Pharisees.

Satan's Vicary.

Although, Kamalah Harris (in case off being really a TRANS), would be a good Rothschilds' Pet / Puppet Baphomet / Kabbalah commie devil, too.

What government was Paul talking about when he said to obey them? Romans 13:1-7 The USA is a capitalist nation first and a liberal or conservative somewhere down stream. Which do you prefer, the groups mentioned or the Trump supporters? I see them as being pretty much equal. I don't see many people turning the other cheek, believing in honesty and ethics.

Why has this become part of this discussion? Remember what Jesus told Nicodemus

"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."

John 3:5-6 (KJV)

This might be a good time for prayer and guidance.

I need prayer for help financially help at work with sales

Like nations we as individuals inside the nation should do our best to walk in God's statutes. Pride and Haughtiness is what destroys nations. There is no geographic land mass that will be taken up before the Great tribulation.

Here's you Holy nation. ( The church!! )

Matthew 21:43. Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

1 Peter 2:9. But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

According to scripture here's where the rest of the world stands.

Joel 3:2. I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

As Christians we should be trying to pull as many people we can out of this battle! Instead of joining in on a vain fight that's been going on in the world since the beginning. That's flesh seeking fleshly things, " ON BOTH SIDES "

2 Timothy 2:4. No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

Be the light you was called to be.

This is a Bible forum ,why am i hearing about politics ,its unacceptable to me . How about i tell you all about my stamp collecting ? Or my holidays last year ? No ? I thought not . No politics please .

Beasts/government systems

Babylon- Head- Gold

overthrown by-

Medes/Persians- Chest and arms-Silver

overthrown by-

Greece- Thighs- Brass

overthrown by

Rome-Legs-Iron

Ten Toes- Iron and clay, that are mixed but do not cleave to one another .

There's a harlot (religion) that rides each Beast. everyone of them are pagan religions that originated in Babylon.

The last Harlot is the Roman Universal/Catholic religion and it's nothing but ancient Roman paganism with bible in one hand where they have decreed that the laws set forth by the Creator for mankind to follow that would separate them from the pagans.... has been done away with. When YHWH"S laws can never be done away with by man.

Look up the Creed of Constantine, read the creed and then look up Daniel 7:25 and see where that verse was fulfilled at the Council of Nicea.

Every Church on earth is biblically lawless because of that Harlot. An protestant churches are her daughters.

YHWH always destroys mankind when they've gone too far in their sexual immorality. And we are off the chain in that area right now. And the Pope just said that God loves homosexuals. He's also a SJW Marxist and believes in man made Climate Change.Some Catholic Churches have already begun to talk about their sins against the environment and penance.

YHWH"s wrath on earth will be called proof of man made climate change.

I am going to call this the question from a old man loosing it. Does the Lord get mad at you or does he just deal with you one on one or how does he deal with it in other ways? Sorry I am getting old and do not understand things as good as I used to. Does he get mad, does he hold it against you or does he forgive you for everything he can and does he forgive you for the things you do wrong and wipe the slate clean when you ask for forgiveness so how does he deal with you when you do wrong? When I remember just what I wanted to ask I will put it back on here but thank you all if you can help me with this now. Amen I will come back and check this one. I really wish there was a easier way to answer these questions and that is about the only thing on this site I would change but it is a great site the best I have seen ever. I know I can use google but I know more than likely the people on here are honest and from the heart!

I agree, Richard Groom. Everything said by Paul, Peter, John is in complete harmony with what Jesus said in Matthew 24:9. The argument is that 24 is for the Jews. But that is a stretch. The chapter begins by telling us the Disciples of

"Jesus got together and asked Him about His Return and the End of the Age. The fact that they were Jews is inconsequential.

As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said,

"when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?"

His response follows.

"Immediately after the Tribulation of those days

"'the sun will be darkened,

the moon will not give its light;

the stars will fall from the sky,

the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'

"Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth

will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven,

with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call,

and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

Even a cursory comparison of all the references in the New and Old Testament concerning the Last Days and the Return of Jesus, shows no deviation from the Timeline Jesus presents in 24:9. The idea that there is a pre-coming before the Coming, ignores the parallels and the words of Jesus. There isn't a single place in all of Scripture where a specific time is revealed for the Second Coming, that isn't in keeping with 24:9. And if there were a secret pre-coming, why didn't Jesus reveal it to His disciples, who came to Him privately?

Revelation tells us clearly that many will be persecuted and killed during the Tribulation, FOR THEIR TESTIMONY OF CHRIST. Revelation 7:14 "These are they who have come out of the great tribulation.

The Day of Wrath is the final hour, not the full 7 years.

Please pray for Jeff & Tahnee smith trying to get my wife to work things out with me.i got right with God back in December she has been praying for a long time for me to get right with God , but now I thing she has given up on her on prayers ,,, so please just pray that God will but how family back together for we can serve him together as one ,,, thank you