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I had to read mathew 5:18 23 -25 ,i'm feeling defeated trying to call those who say they know the road to jesus christ and father ,to believe is free ,i was found by god ,i made threw a surgery on my intestine bursted i sat at home wth my 4 month old lil girl ,i knew at 104.5 temp getting there 14 hours after was my death most likely ,i was waitin for surgeons wth this emergency surgery in pain and wondering ,i said lord thru my tears if u really are alive and hear please god come please help me, they came i was instantly put under ,the next thing my god lord of lords was carrying me into heaven,all stress ,anxiety ,worry and the most glorifying love i have ever felt ,i was going home so happy ,ready in his loving arms,we stopped he shown me my baby and i remembered finally ,i have a baby,he shot me back into my body ,it was horrible pain like i smashed concrete,i was mad awhile ,i wanted back,this place is horrible in comparison.now im happy and i tell all of his love and forgiveness but u must be by his side and listen he will giv u clues listen

Earl I'll tell you right now that not all my choices are made by the spirit, thats being honest. I know of no man who walks by the spirit 24/7 except the Lord Jesus Christ. In His Service

ChrisE I'm sorry was not following conversation correctly, My understanding verse 5 called saul out, verse 6 saul trembling ]the word is tremo absolute terror, this guy went from no fear bold as brass to absolute terror because his head is saying whats going on but still says what do you want me to do. No where in that whole conversion did the lord beat him up or condemn him, why because he was doing it out of ignorance.

Saul is three days no sight still going what just happened. The lord says to Ananias by the spirit go see Saul very specific instructions. Saul is not born again yet in verse 15 the lord is telling Ananias by the spirit He is a chosen vessel unto me, the lord is saying I have called him out and chose Ananias to minister to saul.

In verse 17 Ananias walks in putting his hands on him to comfort him and says brother saul another comfort, next words the lord that appeared unto you sent me another comfort because saul is still in shock so to speak hath sent me for thee to receive thy sight and be filled with Holy Ghost or spirit.

That's when he was healed physically and was baptized spiritually. I don't believe laying on hands is always necessary I believe that's specific instructions given by the spirit in a specific situation. That's my understanding In His Service

Brother Rick, We make thousands of choices every day, but the Spirit causes us to make those choices.

Jesus made choices everyday he walked in the flesh, but he knew his choices were all caused by the SPIRIT. I came to do the will of my Father (the Spirit). Of myself (without the Spirit) I can do nothing.

Coming to this truth is how we will be able to judge the world in RIGHTEOUSNESS with Christ. The Spirit causes us to judge as the Spirit causes Christ to judge. Can two walk together (be one) except they be agreed? ( Amos 3:3)

Philippians 2:13 For it is God (the Spirit) that WORKETH in you (creation, mankind) Both TO WILL (he cause his will to be your will) (he causes his choices to be your choices) and TO DO (the works he wants your labour to accomplish) his good pleasure.

Ezekiel 36:27 And I WILL put my SPIRIT within you, and CAUSE YOU to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my JUDGEMENTS, AND DO THEM.

Ephesians 1:11 In whom (in the Spirit) also we have obtained an inheritance (being ONE , IN AGREEMENT with the Spirit), being predestinated according to the purpose(THE WILL) (of the Spirit) who WORKETH all things after the counsel of his (the Spirits) own will (not our will).

What wood was the cross made of that Jesus was crucified on

Brother Clayton,

Jesus speaks this scripture below that is very easy to understand.

John 3:5 - Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Matthew 18:3

"And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven."

It is not necessary to become bible scholars to understand bible scripture. But, we must become children, be born again of water and the Spirit - and believe!

God Bless.

Amen, Rev. Mohan.

God does speak through his word, "accurately".

God bless.

No scorn like a woman's! John waisted no time ....... wasted!

The church does not use the kjv ,because it is the truth! ....I am the church. I use the KJV.

Seems you maybe 'King James only' proponent. If so, not good.

Brother Jimmy, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

You are the church (house of God) (temple of the Spirit), Christ (the WORD)(the Holy Spirit) is your pastor (shepherd).

1 John 2:27 But the anointing (by the WORD) you have received of HIM (your pastor, the WORD) abideth IN YOU, and you need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing (the WORD) teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him (the WORD).

Stop spending you time in the world (television, internet, etc.) and spend it in church (not the ones made of brick) with you pastor (not flesh).

ChrisE Another point in Acts 9:17 Ananias put his hands on him and said brother Saul he would have never said that unless God showed him by revelation that he was going to believe and receive also what a tremendous greeting of love, because if I were Saul I would still have been in absolute shock. So God had to comfort Ananias so Ananias could bless Saul absolutely incredible the way God worked. That word Filled is pletho which is to make full internally, its good stuff. In His Service

Brother Alex, keep proclaiming the word, the Spirit will give HIS (the ones the Father draws to him) ears to hear at HIS (the Spirits) appointed time.

It's appointed to man ONCE TO DIED (by the sword, the words of God); then JUDGEMENT, LIFE by the TRUTH of God's word.

WE DIE in Christ (the first death and first resurrection) before our body of flesh dies.

Those in the resurrection of the flesh, will then have to go through the second death (DIE IN CHRIST). Just as those that had their part in the first death and resurrection.



God is no respector of persons; but every man has an APPOINTED TIME.

ChrisE We could get into some really good stuff but this isn't the place or format. In His Service

ChrisE I agree its all good. In His Service

Paul Brother disregard last comment, not correctly communicated. In His Service

What is the job of the pastor in a church

spongeRick: "When Paul was born again in Acts 9:17+18 in verse 18 the word baptize is baptizo which can be translated on or in depending on context."

The spongeChrisE understanding It Is Written - Did you mean Acts 9:17-18? :)

Q: Was not Paul saved ON the road to Damascus ( Acts 9:3-6), By God's GRACE And MERCY ( Titus 3:4-7), thus making him OUR "pattern" Under GRACE ( 1 Timothy 1:16), and The Body Of CHRIST, 'Beginning The ONE NEW man' {a 'Different GRACE Entity' than the LAW assembly at Pentecost?}, with Paul ( Ephesians 2:15)?

Because, IF the "pattern" is to have a Spirit-filled Jew to HEAL our infirmities, and lay hands on us for the filling of The Holy Spirit, Many are not going to be saved, eh?

Notice, Christ Told the 'hesitant' Ananias, "...he IS a CHOSEN vessel Unto ME...," not, "he WILL BE chosen..." thus already "saved Earlier, ON the road to Damascus," Correct?

Thus, my understanding is "faith cometh by hearing, and hearing By The WORD Of God,"

hearing The Gospel Of GRACE, believing It, And being BAPTIZED 'BY' The Holy Spirit Into The {Spiritual} Body Of CHRIST, Seated In Heaven, In the twinkling of an eye," Correct?

Of course, we could discuss Further the confusing 'Mixture' of being "Baptized by Christ, WITH The {Filling Of The} Holy Spirit, for power, signs, and wonders, as at the Pentecostal {LAW assembly}, compared to Paul's:

ONE {Spiritual} Baptism 'BY' The Holy Spirit For Identification with/Into The Body Of CHRIST {GRACE assembly}, Thus, Fitting MUCH Better With OUR "pattern," Paul, eh?

I never thought Great Bible study would "sponging together" with a brother :)

When a person is dying do they need to confess Jesus is Lord and God raised him the dead . So they will be saved when they die? Chapter and verse please!

Precious brother Chris, I appreciate your Great discussion with me. I have posted for several years, and you are The Very First to consider/discuss these things. The rest have just written me off as confused or a heretic (denying Acts 2:38). So, in my understanding of (NOT denying) it:

I believe Paul "did baptize some" during God's Transition from Law (with water) to HIS PURE GRACE (Without water!). Most think that the great commission to the Twelve apostles of Israel, is 'exactly the same' as the commission to Paul, the apostle of the Gentiles. This does not make sense since CHRIST told the Twelve THEY "WERE SENT"

to baptize, while CHRIST told Paul he "WAS NOT SENT to baptize." {the same thing?}

I cannot reconcile that for today, because God Gave Paul A 'Different' Program, The Revelation Of The MYSTERY, With The Gospel Of GRACE, And the "commission of Reconciliation" Because of CHRIST's Finished Work on The Cross!

( Romans 16:25) ( Colossians 1:20) ( 2 Corinthians 5:17-21) + ( 2 Corinthians 6:2)

Thus, I believe This "Hid In God" Revelation ( Ephesians 3:9) Must Be:

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From "Things That DIFFER!":

Many 'assume' The Gospel Of GRACE was Immediately preached after the cross, but

closer Prayerful/Careful examination reveals:

1) LAW was preached, obeyed, and taught to "thousand of Jewish believers"

( Matthew 28:19-20) Notice: Christ Specifically Said "teaching them TO OBSERVE ALL things I HAVE COMMANDED you" - one of them was Matthew 23:1-3, Correct?

2) Water baptized Jewish believers OBEYED ALL CHRIST's Commands, SOLD EVERYTHING, And were "zealous of The LAW," even as late as Acts 21:20!

3) IF the great commission IS FOR US today, then I see NO ONE "obeying it as these were!"

Thus, Chris, I just cannot reconcile LAW "being Exactly THE SAME as" GRACE ( Romans 11:6)

More 'available' on church birthday, and The ONE Baptism {a 'verse for annulment of water'?} "study" of today, IF you wish... Thanks Again, and Be Well, Precious brother!

Brother Rick, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

You are correct, the LORD'S DAY is when you are born again of TRUTH (SPIRIT).

The day of the Lord (second coming of Christ by the baptism of the Holy Ghost) has been happening to those who the Father DRAWS for two thousand years.

John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it NOT WRITTEN in your LAW, I said ye are gods?

John 10:35 If he (THE WORD) called them (the new born) gods, unto whom (the SPIRIT CAME, THE WORD CAME), and the scripture (THE WORD) cannot be broken (BUT FULLFILLED).

Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery.... Christ in us....

I AM the resurrection; when you come to truth of this resurrection that you took part IN, of the twain to make ONE (I AM ) new man.

We become God's glory at the redemption of HIS PURCHASED POSSESSION.

When his angels (spiritual messengers) come to harvest HIS SEED at the death of this body of flesh.

Paul I read that not all the verses used in the context of usage and where used it does not say water, no excuses or creative rationalizations I was born again and never was water baptized, but that being said if that what someone wants to do O.K. In His Service

Mishael Colossians 2:6-10 Especially Verse 10 And ye are [absolute tense]complete in him which is the head of all principality and power. verse 16+17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat in drink or in respect of an holiday or the new moon or the sabbath days. Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. In His Service

Amen Earl Bowman, All thru the Bible its always said by my Spirit saith the Lord .The living WORDS of God etc Today if you will hear his voice harden not your hearts.

Robert The first lie you were told was you can't change, my bible says the opposite God will do anything according to His Word to help you but in a matter of speaking you gotta want it. That being stated if you Haven't done it Confess Romans 10: 9+10 believe it in your heart put it into action thank God for forgiveness and mooooove on. Don't believe what people say believe God. Remember God is always on our side we gotta make up our minds and actions to stay on His. In His Service P.S. Claim deliverance in the name above all names JESUS CHRIST!

Thanks Karen Have a great day Give em Heaven In His Service Rick

Earl You state we believers have no choice, if you mean in the category of what we choose to do for God, Romans 12:2 Be not conformed to this world is a choice, Romans 12: 16 Be of the same mind one towards another is a choice, verse 21 be not overcome with evil but overcome evil with good, its a choice. What we have in our pots or vessels is perfect what an individual chooses to do with the gift is choice. I agree that in the end Gods Will his word will be done by those who choose by there freedom of will to do His will and spread the Gospel, and I understand that unbelievers are doing what he knows because God is all knowing in that sense I understand what your stating. In that capacity all still have a choice. In His Service

Mrs Watson, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Concerning the twenty minutes of silence in heaven.

I'm sure you know Revelation is the REVEALING of Jesus Christ.

John SIGNIFIED the words in Revelation.

Revelation cannot be understood by using a dictionary to define the words. They have to be understood through the words of God, which are Spirit.

The word HEAVEN in Revelation is SIGNIFIED, it's not defined as the dictionary would define it.

God's throne and place of dwelling is in heaven. SIGNIFIED, this would mean the ELECT are HEAVEN, where SPIRIT DWELLS; CHRIST IN US.

And there was silence (no activity of the Spirit) in HEAVEN (in mankind) for the space of twenty minutes.

Twenty minutes is just SIGNIFIED by TIME only; the amount of time it SIGNIFIES must be found in other parts of God's word.

Daniel 12:11 And from the TIME that the daily sacrifice (of animals) be taken away.....shall be one thousand two hundred ninety days (42 months; Christ ministry in the FLESH).

Daniel 12:12 Blesses is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred forty five days.

After Christ's (who is the Holy Ghost) ministry in the flesh for 42 months; there was SILENCE for 45 days in HEAVEN (in mankind), then PENTECOST (Christ second coming in the form of the Holy Ghost to indwell man and make man ONE WITH THE HOLY GHOST. Christ; CREATED IN US, of the twain to MAKE ONE.

Hi Robert,

It wasn't clear to me in your post whether or not you are a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ. So, to truly be forgiven by God you must accept HIS Son. So, below is an easy prayer to read to God, in order to be forgiven for everything past & future. Then, God will write your name on the palm of HIS hand ( Isaiah 49:16), so you will never be forgotten. Also, He will write your name in the Lambs book of Life. Then you can declare that you are a child of our Lord. You will be heaven bound. It's that simple. God bless you.

A Sinners Prayer

Father, I know that I have broken your laws and my sins have separated me from you. I am truly sorry, and now I want to turn away from my past sinful life toward you. Please forgive me, and help me avoid sinning again. I believe that your son, Jesus Christ died for my sins, was resurrected from the dead, is alive, and hears my prayer. I invite Jesus to become the Lord of my life, to rule and reign in my heart from this day forward. Please send your Holy Spirit to help me obey You, and to do Your will for the rest of my life. In Jesus' name I pray, Amen.

Hey Mishael,

Thank you, brother, for your right, nobody is going to sleep when our Lord comes back. When that trumpet sounds and that lightning opens the heaven every eye will see him coming. I also like the parables, there are hidden jewels in them like the virgins the oil in the lamps.

The Christians in Afghanistan will face some terrible times, may the Lord be with them and they do need our prayers and you are right, we are not as safe as we think, change can come in a day.

We may disagree on the bride and when Jesus comes, before or after the beast shows up, we do agree on the importance of being ready. If we are ready and our lamps are full, we will be prepared, even if we have to face death, our faith will not fail and we will be ready. Just think, we will see Him face to face!

God bless,

RLW

Nope, it's clearly talking about water baptism: Link - beware of those who make excuses and creative rationalizations in effort to disobey God.

Hi Chris A lot of the Scriptures shown about baptism in Context of usage is spiritual in regards to holy spirit not water,and to say implied doesn't really hold any water. In Ephesians 4:5, no water, The context of 1 Corinthians 1:15-17 is baptism in Christ, so I don't see it as a condition to be born again. When Paul was born again in Acts 9:17+18 in verse 18 the word baptize is baptizo which can be translated on or in depending on context. Many of these verses which talks about baptism don't mention water. In Acts 15:1 there were men from Judea that were teaching unless you are circumsized you can't be saved, works of the law and that turned into an intense dispute. Acts 15:1-10 so I see where that applied also to water only it wasn't realized until later. That's my understanding It Is Written