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Brother Frankie J:

One can have the Spirit of Truth working IN HIM; yet, NOT YET have come to ALL TRUTH.

The Spirit of Truth WILL NOT FAIL, but it is God's appointed time to each one of us.

Isaiah 27:12 ..... and I WILL gather you ONE by ONE, Oh children (the promised SEED) of Israel.

God BLESS YOU as HE CAUSES us to walk in the TRUTH and LIFE of Christ, being DEAD to SELF by the WORKS of Christ cross and resurrection.

Amen Brother S Spencer!

Amen Brother Jesse!

Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: Ephesians 4:26

I believe it's how you respond to this anger is what makes it sinful.

One can be right in what he say to another but yet commit sin in saying it because their intentions was meant to hurt.

However I'm not saying that whatever is said is truth.

Be careful and see if our actions is meant to hurt or not.

Also we should consider

Matthew 5:22.

God bless.

The most penetrating and devastating definition of sin that I am aware of in Scripture is the last part of Romans 14:23: "Whatever is not from faith is sin." The reason it is penetrating is that it goes to the root of all sinful actions and attitudes, namely, the failure to trust God.

If we are not perfect in this, we are sinful.

Salvation there is a death and an ressurection for the TRUE believers.

This is not done by an alter call or an profession but by the Spirit of God that searches the heart.

Colossians 2:12

having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead

2 Corinthians 4:16

Therefore we do not lose heart, but though our outer man is decaying, yet our inner man is being renewed day by day.

2 Corinthians 5:17

Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.

Galatians 6:15

For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.

Ephesians 2:10

For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

Romans 6:4

Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.

Colossians 3:1

Therefore if you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.

Romans 7:6

But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

Ephesians 4:24

and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.

Life begins here as a babe in Christ,

God bless you for this all important portion of scripture.

If this is not gotten right nothing else matters.

Stand in the gate of the LORD'S house , and proclaim there this word , and say , Hear the word of the LORD , all ye of Judah , that enter in at these gates to worship the LORD . Which bit are you struggling with please ?

Well stated Brother Jesse.

This is a rebirth for TRUE believers CAUSED by that life giving Spirit, Not by the will of man.

And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Romans 8:10-11.

God bless.

What does the Jeremiah 7:2 all about?

hi Jesse

Interesting statement you have concluded here.

John say "he that is born again sins not, that he can not sin for His Seed remains within him" & in this Seed he abides & does not sin.

so in the light of this, & your statement,

do you have the Spirit of Christ?

please remember me and my family in your prayers please pray for Kenya a lady at my work she has been sick and needs our prayers please remember my mother

pg. 2

I've realized the danger to my own mind if I believe an appeal for help is something else, because I will then react to something else. My response will then be inappropriate to his call for help, due to my wrong perception of it, because my perception would be from the ego.

When I am tempted to react with anger due to perceived injustices or attacks, I must instead respond with charity. Charity is a way of looking at another as if he had already gone far beyond his actual accomplishments in time. Healing rests on charity, and is a way of perceiving the perfection of another even if you cannot perceive it in yourself.

TRUE forgiveness is the key., and if we believe sin is our brother's reality, we will never be capable of true forgiveness,. It IS impossible to forgive reality. The ego's plan of forgiveness is to have me see error clearly first, and then overlook it. Yet how can I overlook what I've accepted as real? By seeing it clearly, I have made it real and CANNOT overlook it.

Forgiveness though the Holy Spirit lies simply in looking beyond error from the beginning, and thus keeping it unreal for me.

Peace to all

Blessings brothers and sisters,

pg. 1

The subject of anger or lack thereof can be interesting, yet sensitive, since we perceive so much injustice in these times. I've lived in anger much of my life, and realized a while back that I was sick of it because it was an enormous hindrance to my peace of mind. Although it can be a difficult and frustrating mission, and still is, I feel it has been worth the effort, as the anger has decreased

Being open to correction, reluctantly at times, and with help from the Holy Spirit, I've learned that anger CANNOT occur unless I believe I've been attacked, and that my attack is justified in return, and that I am no way responsible for it. I AM! It is beginning to sink in that anger always involves projection of separation, which must ultimately be accepted as my own responsibility, RATHER THAN being blamed on others. Anger destroys peace, and relationships with others and God.

I don't believe that anger is sin. I do believe that nothing except God exists, therefore since God is Love, love is all there is .Sin is a lack of Love, and in the sight of the Holy Spirit, anger is a MISTAKE to be gently and patiently corrected, rather than an evil to be punished, which is an attack in return.

Therefore, there is but one interpretation of motivation that makes any sense. And because it is the Holy Spirit's judgement it should require no effort at all on my part: Every loving thought is true; EVERYTHING ELSE is an appeal for healing and help, regardless of the form it takes. Can I be justified in responding with anger to a brother's plea for help? No;no response can be appropriate except the willingness to give it to him, for this and only this is what he is asking for. And if I offer him anything else, I am assuming the right to attack HIS reality as he sees it, by interpreting it as the ego sees fit.

see pg. 2

Just prayed that the Lord God will draw your wife closer to him so she can receive salvation. In Jesus name. AMEN

Asking prayers in Jesus name for Tina F who just found out from the doctors at the hospital on Monday 10-9-2023, that she has cancer on one of her lungs. Thank you all for your prayers. May the Lord God keep you blessed always. AMEN

The qualification of a true believer:

Romans 8:9 reads, "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.



But you are not in the flesh, but you are in the Spirit, (if so be) the Spirit of God dwells in you.



There is a definition that's given to us here. It says we are in the flesh if we don't have Christ. If we are not "born again" we have an illegitimate claim at being a true believer.

It goes on to say, "But if so be that the Spirit of God dwells in you."

And then listen to this:

Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ (born again), he is none of his.



What Paul is saying here is that if a person does not have the Spirit of Christ dwelling inside of them, they don't belong to Christ.



So what's the emphasis here? The emphasis is on what God does and how He comes into our life. If He's not there, it doesn't matter what we believe because we are not saved.

A person must be born again or they do not belong to Christ!

Frankie,

How do you know that I do not believe what "birthed my own faith"? This is an untrue, audacious, and slanderous statement. Therefore sinful. You cannot know what I know or don't know in my life in Christ.

Since you continue to say things that are untrue of me and claim things you know that you cannot know, I will end this interaction with you. You have proven yourself to be contentious and judgmental in sinful ways.

Frankie, I did not imply that you had addressed what I spoke concerning the angels. Those are my words and what I believe.

Again Frankie, If I may.

Have you ever boasted about yourself, your family, kids, job, spirituality, or holiness?

Have you ever taken credit for something God did?

Have you ever not prayed for someone who has asked you to do so?

Have you ever not taken seriously someone else's plight, problem, concern?

Have you derived pleasure from pointing out fault in another but bristle when someone does that to you?

Have you ever gone faster that the speed limit, rolled through a stop sign, yelled at another driver who cuts you off?

Have you ever pushed your way in front of someone else to get into a place before them?

Have you ever rehearsed in your mind the retort you would give to someone who wronged you?

Have you ever wasted time on frivolous things when more important things need to be done, whether for the Lord or others?

Have you ever failed to take seriously another person's problems, pains, difficulties, concerns, or needs?

Have you ever given an untruthful excuse for being late or not showing up or not being able to attend an invitation?

Have you ever disciplined your kids because they made you angry, frustrated, or inconvenienced you?

Have you ever spoken negatively about your spouse or children or parents?

Have you ever resenting having to care for your kids? or felt that they are a burden rather than a blessing?

Have you ever been wasteful of what God has provided for you?

Frankie,, I could go on and on, but all of these are sinful. I doubt that you, nor I , nor any believer could say they have never sinned in these ways in all of their life as a believer. And anyone who would say that they have not, either have just now become a believer or are deceived about their own behavior. But, just as Jesus said that anyone who hates their brother is guilty of murder, demonstrating how everyone sins even if they keep the law outwardly, I engaged you in this exercise for the same purpose. I am guilty of doing some these things. I am a sinner, I need Jesus.

Or Frankie, again,

Have you every been untruthful with anyone since becoming a Christian, deceptive, evading the truth, stretching the truth?

Have you ever gossiped about someone, telling others the faults of others you and they mutually know. have you ever slandered anyone, speaking negatively about someone without merit, just because you may disagree with them or not do things the way you do?

Have you ever been prideful in your heart since becoming saved?

Have you ever harbored a grievance against someone when you should have forgiven and moved on in love?

Have you ever been lazy?

Have you ever looked at what others have and thought they had more than they need and should give to people who are needy? That is coveting. Others had the right to what they have and to give whatever they determine to give but it is not right for someone to decide in their heart that someone else should give of what they have

Do you have disdain for others, whether very rich, or without a home, or young and rowdy, or criminal, or beautiful, or more successful than yourself? That is envy and also disdain. Both are sinful.

Have you ever accused someone of something they did not do? That is sinful-false accusation.

Have you ever eaten much more than your body needed at the time? That is sinful-gluttony.

Have you ever not given to someone in need when the Spirit has urged you to do so? That is a sin of omission and disobedience.

Have you ever done anything out of selfishness?

Have you been unwilling to do something necessary because it would make you uncomfortable.? that is sinful, not taking up one's cross to follow Jesus in that moment.

Have you ever been sarcastic with anyone? That is sinful. It hurts another and is a sin of superiority.

Have you ever avoided speaking or meeting with someone because they annoy you or are too needy or any other reason that inconveniences you? that is sinful=being a respecter of persons.

Have you ever spoken too hastily?

I admit I have.

GiGi

About Edomites. The Edomites are described in the Bible mainly as opponents of the people of Israel.Moses asked permission for the people of Israel to cross the territory of the Edomites peacefully.He even promised to pay for anything the Israelites might need along the way.Even so,the king of Edom refused to let the people of Israel pass(Number 20:14-21)

Now,in this current millennium,the seventh and last,even in these days of Apocalypse,the battle of Armageddon(air-magog-eddom(red) is in the way( Revelation 16:13-16) , the battle is against three unclean spirits like frogs(why frogs?the website of purebible explains this mystery),that come out of the mouth of the dragon(the red dragon- Revelation 12:3-4),and out of the mouth of the Beast(the MAN Beast of sea),and out of the mouth of the false prophet(the false messiah of the Jews, a false lamb- Revelation 13:11).

Remembering that Edom means red, the battle called Ar/mag/eddon is in the current heavenly environment of the New Testament against the MAN Beast of sea(Magog) and against the MAN Beast revealed as dragon(Satan incarnated, son of perdition, MAN of sin- Revelation 13:11-he was born in Israel decades ago and will manifest himself soon as messiah-an IMPOSTOR). Get ready- Revelation 16:15- Behold, I come as a thief.Blessed is he that watcheth,and keepeth his garments,lest he walk naked,and they see his shame.

Daniel 12:10-12

10Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried;but the wicked shall do wickedly:and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up,there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12Blessed is he that waiteth,and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Matthew 24:15

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation,spoken of by Daniel the prophet,stand in the Holy Place,(whoso readeth,let him understand

Ephesians 4:26

26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: 27 Neither give place to the devil. 28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

1st paragraph

I've never imply the angels were equal to God nor needed a Savior, just that they were separate unto God & are holy. Our fellowservants & of our brethen

The rest is your own thoughts, 'your Wow" is of yourself, accusing me what you, yourself are guilt of. Reading too much into what I said.

2nd paragraph

I agree with.

3rd paragraph

It would be hard for you to call my view heresy, being its the Truth of the Scriptures brought to you by the learning of the letter, which you hold too.

Which you confess you don't believe, what a paradox is that. You don't even believe that which births your own faith.

The rest of 3 is in truth, the very working out of our salvation, 2Cor 10:5 as one exercises this, the discerning between good & evil, one matures from babes to adults. The process is slow, but through the pass 10 yrs I have been delivered their stronghold.

I learnt also through the years that the more I wait in stillness & silence before Him, the better I was empowered to discern & overcome the enemy, they still tempt at times, but God Spirit quickens me to their stratagems. Temptation is not a sin. I deny it, don't own it, its not who I am in Christ.

In the simplicity of my heart & godly care I reach out to caution you in what you are doing, you slighted this godly counsel, given according to the Spirit of the Scriptures. What kind of person are you Gigi to come out with such a response? and then not directed to me, meaning to be received by my email from this site.

The Lord judge between you & I, I give this into His hands.

By the way, I have not yet been born again, baptize by Christ

I'm within the work of regeneration, As I wait before Him in stillness & silence, I have found Him faithful & true, old things are passing away daily, & all things are becoming new, He will finish the work that He Himself has started. This I am assure of

I'm very grateful for His tender mercies towards me.

Jema

JESUS said: John 10:7-9

9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, ...

7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

Dear Jordyn, in my post I said needlessly angry and sharp with another person. That is sinful.

But we can be angry and not sin. This is righteous anger as Jesus had, such as when someone blasphemes the Lord or harms young children.

However, most of the time our anger is of the sinful kind, if we really are honest.

Dear Contriteheart. I am very sorry that Your Mom is gone. My Mom left us a little over a year ago. God took her. It was her time. Her birthday is Oct. 3 and I thought of her as did all of my siblings. She is with the Lord now. But it is still hard to have people die. I will pray for you.

Dear Heavenly Father, in the name of Jesus we ask that You will bring comfort and peace to Contrite heart today and each day when he/she remembers her. his Mom that You allowed to die. Help Contriteheart to work through the grief and loss and keep him/her stayed on You in Christ. Bring ways to ease the pain and uplift Contrite heart in the weeks ahead. Oh Lord, we call on You for all our needs, especially in times of great grief. Amen.

Thank you One eighty for your response. I just got back to the discussions here and came to your response. I would have answered similarly.

So, it seems that the account of the people the Israelites encountered east of the Jordan have a correlation to the time of Abraham. It seems unsure to me exactly who it was that pushed these giants out of the areas of Ammon, Moab and Edom. WAs it the kings of the east, Abraham and his group, or the Moabites, Ammonites, and Edomites. Perhaps it was all of these since the chapter says that God destroyed the giants in times past.

In Deut. 2:24 God calls on the Israelites to rise up and begin to conquer the peoples east of the Jordan after He recounts how the giants were expelled from the area before. He says He will give them Sihon, the giant king of the Amorites, by putting in the oversized inhabitants of this area a dread of the Israelites that will make these nations of giant men tremble and be in anguish (vs. 25).

So, Moses sends messengers ahead to Sihon asking permission to pass through his land. But Sihon refused this request and came out against the Israelites because the LORD had hardened his spirit and made his heart obstinate. The battle ensued with God giving Israel immense victory of all the people of the land of Sihon. They did as God had instructed them, killing ALL men, women, and children. Some think it so harsh and un-God-like for Him to order total extermination. But, if ALL of the people of Sihon were mixed blood with Rephaim, it was best for this people to be destroyed. God hates this mixing of Rephaim blood and human blood. It always is wicked and leads to greater wickedness in the people as a whole.

The Israelites kept the cattle alive and took them as spoil from the cities. From the Arnon River through Gilead all the cities were taken by the Israelites by God's power. And none of the people and land of Ammon was invaded, battled against, or taken at all just as God had forbade them not to do.

In Nu. 13:32 the spies said that the giants in the land eat up the inhabitants of the land. They must have seen this happen to say this.

The accounts of the giants from cultures all over the world show that the giants they encountered had similar characteristics such as: being twice the size of a normal man or more, having double rows of teeth and six fingers on each hand and six fingers on each foot, having red shaggy hair, being cannibalistic, violent, and terrorizing. Yet these giant peoples were overcome and destroyed by large bands of normal size peoples who united to rid their area of them. We do not know if there are still some of these giants still living in some remote areas.

In Genesis 14 and 15 is the account of the wars fought by the kings of the east against the kings of the Dead Sea area in which Lot was taken captive, The text says that the eastern kings smote these peoples named on their way to the Dead Sea coming from the north to south (all extremely large people east of the Jordan River.) There were Amorites west of the Jordan and Ge. 14:13 says that Abraham dwelt with Mamre and his brothers, Aner, and Eschol, Amorites who fought with his men to retrieve Lot and peoples from the Mesopotamian kings.

In Ch. 15 God makes the covenant with/for Abraham, prophesying that Abraham's descendants will go to Egypt and come out in the 4th generation when the sin of the Amorites will be fully grown. God lists the peoples Abrahams descendents will take the in the Exodus. It is unclear how many of these groups were related to the Rephaims, nor if these peoples all intermixed with these extremely large Rephaim descendants, but most likely did to a large extent by the time of the Exodus, thus necessitating the total extermination of all of these peoples including women and children. If they did mix with that of the Rephaims and were internally influenced by the wickedness of the 1st generations of Rephaims after the flood this explains why God determined that those with Rephaim blood needed to be wiped out.

There are accounts of such extremely large humans from all cultures all over the world, some ancient and some more recent. Historians Josephus and Herodotus mentions them being real. Bones of enormous size have been unearthed all over the world, yet many of them have been mysteriously misplaced when given over to people in power. such as the Smithsonian.