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God's Spirit lives in us, but is invisible and does not take up any physical space within us. This is true of the Father and Jesus, who also abide in believers.
So, how do we conceive of an invisible God? First of all, we believe that He is (He. 11:6) and we must obey His command to not attempt to make any image of Him in our minds or in a physical object. He determined that it is best for us to not know what He looks like in His essence, lest we make an idol of the image we see. We are to come to Him through the eyes of faith, but not through seeing Him with our physical eyes. Jesus told Thomas after Thomas touched and viewed His wounds, blessed are those who believe who have not seen.
I also think that God determined that we cannot view Him in His Divine Essence because if we did, we would be destroyed by His holiness, majesty, and greatness. Note the responses of Isaiah, Ezekiel, John when they had a vision of the Lord on the throne and in Revelation 1 (John). They came unglued and fell down as if dead. And this was with a manifestation. God hides even in these manifestations. God's dealings with mankind in Biblical times was long before the present times where we have cameras and ability to video. God doesn't want to give us an image to worship. We are to worship Him in truth through the Spirit, not in a carnal or sensual way (as to using our senses). yet we can worship with words, preaching, singing, shouting, and with our bodies, clapping, raising hands, and dancing like David. But God wants us to do so reverently, not imitating the world and pagans. God's invisibility protects us from that type of idolatry.
Jesus is the ultimate revelation of God in a human body. He did not show God in His Divine Essence. His Divinity was cloaked by His humanity.
I was thinking of posting about God being invisible. I am glad you did. The Scriptures clearly teach that God in His essence is invisible. At times He appears in theophanies where He is seen in a form, but this is a manifestation of Him (flame and voice in burning bush, materialized angel along with two angels visiting Abraham, pillar of cloud/fire, shekinah glory in the tabernacle), not seeing Him in His true essence. He dwells in unapproachable light ( 1 Ti. 6:16), a God who hides, (Is. 45:15).
John says that God is Spirit ( Jn. 4:24), not 'a' spirit, but pure spirit only, not having a physical form (Dt.4:12) Because of His infinity, He is not bound by a body made of matter taking up a specific amount of space and subject to time. , His Being does not take up portion of space, rather His Being is all encompassing of all that there is, everywhere present, filling heaven, earth and eternity. Before creation there was no space, only God's being. He has no wight, no mass, no form, no taste, no smell, nothing tangible that can be sensed by physical human senses, so He is imperceptible by physical means.
If He did not reveal Himself to humanity leaving evidence of His power and majesty in creation, in His visitations to godly men, and in what He spoke to the patriarchs, prophets, and apostles to record in Scripture, humanity would not know of His existence or know Who He is or What He is like. He is transcendent, completely separate and unlike anything He created. Mankind is made in His image in some ways, but He is so much more, higher, and other than the image of God created in humans. His existence is inferred because of the effects of His actions. Otherwise, He would be completely unknowable to us. He put limits on us as to His visibility. He is real a real Being, with mind, consciousness, will, and all the attributes we speak of here. But He determined that we cannot and will not be able to see Him in His essential nature. We will see Him in Christ.
Sunday, that wouldn't be Christ like, but I honestly believe that in the end times God's true believers will use the KJV and worship, maybe even in secret, on Saturday. (not prophesying, just wondering :))
Yes, I agree, we are on the same page here. Jesus taught the same 10 Commandments. Jesus came not to take away the law but to fullfil and he even emphasized the law (10 Commandments) to an even higher level here: Matthew 5:28 "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." Very strong verse emphasizing that Jesus expects us (Christians) to follow these commandments.
When Jesus was asked which commandment is the most important He responded: Matthew 22:37-40 This confirms the importance for us to follow God's Commandments and Jesus includes another: that we should love our nieghbor as ourself.
I also agree, that Jesus and his apostles, including Paul followed God's 10 Commandments and taught the early church body to follow them. True Christ followers will adhere to these teachings as they will be encouraged by God's Holy Spirit to live in the light and serve Him in Spirit!
GBU
The us is the FATHER and his SON, two not three.
The Father does ALL THINGS through the SON, Christ Jesus.
The son has a GOD (Spirit) and a FATHER (spirit of truth and LIFE), there are TWO not THREE. Christ is the BODY of his GOD, as we are the BODY of his SON, Christ. Christ ONLY speaks and does as his Father CAUSES him TO WILL and TO DO; as we ONLY WILL and DO as Christ CAUSES us to will and to do.
1 John 2:22 .... he is anti-christ (anti-truth) that denieth the Father and SON ..... TWO not THREE.
God Bless YOU!
God BLESS YOU!
Ok, I'll comment on the two passages from Mark.
Mark 11:26 KJV: But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.
Mark 11:26 NIV: The verse is omitted completely. I will comment though, that within Mark 11:25, the same meaning is expressed, i.e. if one does not forgive, neither will God forgive.
More relevant though, again is the footnote in the NIV: "This verse is not found in the earliest and best manuscripts of the NT, probably having been inserted from MT 6:15"; which IS included in the NIV. This means it's quite possible, or highly probable that the KJV copyists added it to coincide with Matthew.
But it is obvious that the NIV translators had no malice or corrupt motives with this passage, as you are suggesting.
Next; Mark 15:28 KJV: And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.
Mark 15:28 NIV: This verse is also omitted.
NIV footnote: "The earlier and more reliable Greek manuscripts do not have this verse. It was probably added from LK 22:37 (quoting Isa 53:12). Mark does not include many OT quotations."
The NIV copyists appear to put forth great effort as to why they chose to delete this verse, and in the text note they say that, "some manuscripts; v28 And the scripture was fulfilled which says, " He was counted with the lawless ones" ( Isaiah 53:12)."
I do not want anyone to have the impression that I'm attempting to prove the KJV translations are incorrect. On the contrary, my original intent was to respond to you questioning some passages in the modern Bible versions. With genuine respect, you may consider choosing to look into the footnotes and text notes of some of these versions. I wish I had time to reply to the numerous passages you've brought to the attention to those on this site. Perhaps now you may want to do so on your own.
True, I have not found the word trinity in the Bible, and it is a man made word to explain the (3) that bear witness in heaven.
The bible tells us the following:
Genesis 1:26
"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."
In the above verse it says: "And God said, Let US make in our own image,
Who is God referring to when He says US? God could have said I will make, but instead He said "Let US make"
I believe that we find the answer to who the US is, in this verse:
1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
There are three that bear record in heaven!
The word Trinity meaning:
-the Christian Godhead as one God in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
-a group of three people or things
People refer to: trinity, triune, etc.
There are (3) entities in heaven, God, the Son, and the Holy Spirit! Amen
SolaScrip,
True Christ Followers will be obedient to all of God's 10 Commandments as taught by Jesus in the New Testament."
Well, God's 10 Commandments are identical to Christ's Commandments. Christ didn't change, minimize or abbreviate them in any way. Christ is the Creator of all things and He created the Commandments - there would be no reason for Him to change or rescind any of them.
Christ speaks of obeying the Law, the 10 Commandments, just as they are taught by the scribes and Pharisees in Matt. 23:1-3. He says to "do as they say, but not as they do" because the teachers of the Law at that time were all hypocrites. They taught the 10 Commandments, but kept none of them. That passage proves that Jesus taught the literal keeping of the 10 Commandments, not just the essence, or spirit, of them in our hearts, etc.
Jesus stated, as you pointed out, that He kept all of the Father's 10 Commandments physically when He declared it in John 15:10.
We see that 1 John makes clear that we are to live as Jesus lived, obeying what He obeyed, in 1 John 2:6. That does not support the modern popular teaching that we are only to obey them in spirit. And if Jesus had any intention of teaching that Christians did not need to keep them literally, we would not have the record of the disciples keeping the Saturday Sabbath immediately after Christ's death on the Cross in Luke 23:54-56. We also would not see Paul being labeled by the elders as a "Keeper of the Law" in Acts 21:24.
"IF a Christian is filled with God's Holy Spirit they will naturally be following all of God's/Jesus Commandments."
I would agree with this, but that just means that the vast majority of professed Christians today are not filled with the Holy Spirit because most Christians do not obey the 10 Commandments.
Jesus says that it is the keeping of the 10 Commandments that is pre-requisite for receiving 'HIM' as the Holy Spirit in John 14:21.
SolaScrip,
True Christ Followers will be obedient to all of God's 10 Commandments as taught by Jesus in the New Testament."
Well, God's 10 Commandments are identical to Christ's Commandments. Christ didn't change, minimize or abbreviate them in any way. Christ speaks of obeying the Law, the 10 Commandments, just as they are taught by the scribes and Pharisees in Matt. 23:1-3. He says to "do as they say, but not as they do" because the teachers of the Law at that time were all hypocrites. They taught the 10 Commandments, but kept none of them. That passage proves that Jesus taught the physical keeping of the 10 Commandments, not just the essence, or spirit, of them in our hearts, etc.
Jesus stated, as you pointed out, that He kept all of the Father's 10 Commandments physically when He declared it in John 15:10.
We see that 1 John makes clear that we are to live as Jesus lived, obeying what He obeyed, in 1 John 2:6. That does not support the modern popular teaching that we are only to obey them in spirit. And if Jesus had any intention of teaching that Christians did not need to keep them literally, we would not have the record of the disciples keeping the Saturday Sabbath immediately after Christ's death on the Cross in Luke 23:54-56. We also would not see Paul being labeled by the elders as a "Keeper of the Law" in Acts 21:24.
"IF a Christian is filled with God's Holy Spirit they will naturally be following all of God's/Jesus Commandments."
I would agree with this, but that just means that the vast majority of professed Christians today are not filled with the Holy Spirit because most Christians do not obey the 10 Commandments.
Jesus says that it is the keeping of the 10 Commandments that is pre-requisite for receiving 'HIM' as the Holy Spirit in John 14:21.
"8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.
Who is going to have everlasting life? The one who sowes to the Spirit."
Gal 4:25,
"If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit."
Have a blessed weekend.
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
So it is possible to fall from God's grace.
"Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto."
The grk says "testament" (grk diatheke), instead of "covenant". Actually it never says covenant, neither in the OT(Septuagint) not in the NT . Sometime this conversation about which one is right, testament or covenant has to start.
Father God, remind her family and her that our main focus is on pleasing you by our actions. We claim salvation for her family and friends through Bible studies.
Also Father God, bless Joleenu with a Christian husband whom both will bring up their children in a Christian home.
All this for Your honor and glory through Your Son Jesus Christ.
God bless you Joleenu.
Very few preach and teach the GOOD NEWS of the gospel of the Kingdom of God.
WE were RESURRECTED as joint heirs of Christ.
Colossians 1:27 ... this mystery .... CHRIST IN YOU .... the glory of God .....
God BLESS YOU!
8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
10 Ye observe days (like Sabbath), and months, and times, and years.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
Gal 3:14
That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Gal 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:26-27
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Combine all of the above.
"11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. 12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ."
Cor 2:2-3,
"1 Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also. 2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain".
How a humble man Paul was. Although he was tought the gospel by Christ Himself, he also felt that the other apostles who lived with Christ and heard His teachings had to verify what he knew. This is called humility.
"I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me."
Rom 6:3-5,
"3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:"
Gal 3:27,
"For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ."
Water Baptism not necessary? Who claims that?
"For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor."
"7. But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision(to the uncircumcised) was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision(to the circumcised) was unto Peter; 8. (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles"
Gal 2:15-16,
"15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."
Whether Paul to gentiles or Peter to the Jews, the same gospel was preached.
"For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ."
Churches who teach what their members like to hear and not the true Word of God, do not teach the gospel of Christ, but their own gospel.
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed (grk "anathema")."