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Ok , read the bible and ask God for wisdom ! Prayer going out to you !

I'd stop paying tithes , they are under the law of the OT , not NT . Neither do we sacrifice animals . But give to the more needy than you is good and the Lord will repay you for it .

What you're reading in 1 Kings 12:3-5,9, refers to mainly the high taxes that Solomon imposed upon the people. Even though we read in 2 Chronicles 8:7,8, that harsh taxes were imposed on those not of Israel that lived amongst them, we see that all of Israel suffered because of the taxes.

Solomon extracted taxes, goods & services from the people in various ways & these were done primarily for the building of the Temple (though, King David actually had already procured most of the materials for them), but also for the other buildings to house his many wives & concubines. He established twelve districts to sustain the king & his household each month through taxation ( 1 Kings 4:7); he conscripted labour from Israel ( 1 Kings 5:13-18); taxed merchants & trade ( 1 Kings 10:15); and received tribute from other nations ( 1 Kings 4:21).

And particularly for the common man, such high taxation became a heavy burden to bear, where some did their normal work during the day, then had to contribute their time after work in Solomon's building projects. So the people protested such burdens & appealed to Solomon's successor, Rehoboam to have pity on them. Rather, he raised the taxes even further causing Jeroboam to lead the people in revolt, hence the divisions of the Kingdoms (Judah & Israel): 1 Kings 12:16-27.

It's noteworthy, that Samuel much earlier prophesied about the inevitability of taxation & other demands ( 1 Sam 8:11-22) as the people demanded a king as the other nations had.

These saints that Enoch spoke of where seen in Deuteronomy 33 v3 .

I read in Jude Enoch prophetically said that the lord comes with ten thousands of his saints , sure sounds like the same saints verses 14,15 ,16 amazing the word of God is

There let the way appear, steps unto Heav'n;

All that Thou sendest me, in mercy given;

Angels to beckon me nearer, my God, to Thee

In John 1:47, the commendation given to Nathanael as one who had no guile, is understood as 'without deceit or treachery'. This meaning is taken from the Greek, 'dolos'. Similarly, in our present English usage, the meaning is similar: 'insidious cunning in attaining a goal; crafty or artful deception; duplicity.'

So, Nathanael wasn't sinless, rather that Jesus had already observed his person & his heart (1:48), thus declaring him as innocent from any deceptive working of his mind. This observation not only confirmed to Nathanael Who Jesus was, but that not only bad things & people emanated from Nazareth & Galilee, as these cities were known for (1:46).

Stephen, I think you're responding to another thread with Adam, so apologies for this intrusion, but thought to clarify something here.

If you're considering the God/Satan encounter in Job chapter 2, you need to bring in Job 1:6-12 into it as well. You've quoted 2:3 (part): "and still he (Job) holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me (God) against him, to destroy him without cause." When you read this, you also have to take into account chapter 1.

I don't believe that God was moved by Satan against Job in chapter 2 simply because Satan had already "moved" (or, prompted, persisted, challenged) God to test the integrity of Job in chapter 1. Therefore, what we have in 2:3 is the statement that God was 'moved by Satan against Job', as this was done earlier on.

So can we conclude that it was God Who instigated & carried out those acts against Job & his family/animals? The normal reading of both those encounters with Satan, show that God had declared the righteousness of Job to Satan. Now, we're not told what Satan was up to earlier as he went "to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it." Maybe, he was seeking out 'targets' & had a room full of trophies as a result, but couldn't find fault in Job (just my thoughts only). But God had presented righteous Job before Satan as one different from the others. Satan took up the challenge & it was 'game on' - again.

God could have refused Satan permission to touch Job in the way he did. Though God was confident that his servant Job would put His Creator & Redeemer ( Job 19:25-27) first in everything, even to the destruction of his loved ones & his own body.

Amen, Thanks Chris.

Scott, may the Spirit grace you with his wisdom,

Hebrews 2:8 Thou hast put ALL things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put ALL in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. BUT NOW WE SEE NOT YET ALL THINGS PUT UNDER HIM.

GBU

I believe the Holy Spirit moved upon Mary and she conceived Jesus , God in flesh in perfect union . So that makes Jesus the Son of God come in the flesh to save the world . I would not add more to who Jesus is , this explains everything to me .

No one ever was born like this but Jesus . Mary was Holy or this never would have taken place . Jesus proved He was of God but the way he lived and did things by God as well , Jesus always gave credit to his father . The Lord God of all even himself .

Thank god for this great messages

What. Is. Palsy. Born. Of. Four

Scott, the Spirit grace you with understanding:

Revelation 11:15 ....... The kingdoms of this world (natural, sinful) are become the kingdoms (spiritual, sinless) of our Lord, and his Christ;......

May the Spirit grace you with his wisdom.

I believe you are correct. After more praying, I see that staff is exactly that, a staff. The confusion I had with Matthew wasn't there with Mark and certainly not in Hebrews or elsewhere used in the old testament. No allegory at all, crystal clear as a staff is a stick. Matthews verse threw me because it said " nor yet" before staff. But 'yet' is likened to 'though' same as 'save' in Marks verse is likened to 'though or only or but'. So as you said it is what is stated. Thank you for your response. Peace.

When one has failed the Lord deeply

AFTER, salvation......Is He given-up on

you ? Does He still provide after one

tries to come back to Him ? Tell me what

to read. I feel I'll never get Him back

now.

Just looking for something other than Bible app. Was hoping to have it as a vocal to listen to

I am growing in Christ. A sister is counseling me. I am receiving Bible study on a weekly basis along with Sunday service now. Thank God! I no longer run the street!

Growth very heavily continued

My understanding on this matter is that, according to Matthew 1:20, "for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost", the seed or embryo placed in Mary's womb was entirely of the Lord. That is, the Word of God was sent in seed form to be placed in a human so that the child to be born was fully from God, as God, being born into the world in fleshly form. I don't believe that Mary contributed anything to the Holy Seed but was used by God to be the means for His Son to come into the world, in fulfilment of His Plan & the prophecies made about Him.

So when Jesus faced Satan at that time of rigorous temptation ( Matthew 4:1-11), it was Satan's goal to cause the sin nature to come into Jesus by Jesus succumbing to him, as Jesus wasn't born with such a nature. Unlike Jesus, we are the products of human seed (not Divine seed) fusing & developing, thereby we have no choice other than inheriting the sin nature of our parents. So when we are tempted to sin, Satan already has a prepared fertile ground on which to make his appeal, & so we give in easily. But with Jesus, Satan had to try desperately to cause a sin nature to develop in Him, thereby rendering His coming & being a worthy Sacrifice, a total failure, leaving mankind wallowing in his sin & eventual judgement by God for it.

Praise be to God that Jesus resisted Satan's thrusts, proving His Divine Power over evil & being the one & only acceptable & worthy Sacrifice for our sins. What we could never do, Christ fully did for us. So the seed from which we came into the World was already clothed with a sin nature, yet when we are born again, our spirits are made new by the Spirit of God so that it cannot sin ( 1 John 3:9). What then causes us to fall again & again? Well, we're still in that body of flesh (from the original seed) so the battle against sin rages, until the redemption of the body ( Romans 8:23) into a complete change into purity & sinlessness.

Genesis 9:11 tells us that God promises to not use a flood to destroy the Earth & its inhabitants ever again as He did in Noah's days. Rather, it will be by fire ( 1 Peter 3:5-7). What we're seeing as destruction & loss of lives by fires, floods & earthquakes, are normal phenomena that have been occurring throughout history. However, it appears that their appearance now seem to come with greater frequency & force, to which one can conclude will eventually usher in the full extent of God's Anger (the Great Tribulation) that will be poured out upon the God-forsaking, Christ-rejecting World.

I'm afraid that I would have to leave you to search for & consider the 'other' meanings of 'staff & stave' & find answers, as I can only read these passages as given - as instructions to the disciples on what they should take with them in their ministry.

In Matthew chapter 10 verse 9, they were told to not to carry 'cash', rather to trust God to meet their daily needs. In verse 10, they should not be burdened with extra baggage, but to go just as they were & to trust God when their sandals wore out or another need arose. The word 'staves' are used elsewhere in the Gospels along with 'swords'. When those people approached Jesus to arrest him, some came with swords & others 'staves', or sticks. It could be that whether some of the disciples used 'staves' as for support/help in their journeyings or to fend off undesirables, Jesus is saying that these things were unimportant, rather the urgent ministry to the "lost sheep of the house of Israel".

Sorry that I can't help you with your enquiry - I don't go in much for allegorizing, unless indicated in the Scriptures. I generally understand the Scriptures as given unless there is a spiritual meaning intended (as in the parables) or veiled in abstract forms (as in the Book of Revelation).

Scott, may the Spirit grace you with understanding:

1 Corinthians 15:16 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural (can be seen); and afterwards that which is spiritual (can't be seen).

The history in the old testament was lived in the natural, but is also symbolic of what will be lived out in the spiritual. Adam (natural) was also symbolic of Christ (now in the Spirit which is the Holy Ghost) Adam was put into a deep sleep (natural, but symbolic of Christ death) Eve (natural, but symbolic of the church, Christ bride).

Abraham (natural, but symbolic of our spiritual Father) offered Isaac (natural, but symbolic of Christ our spiritual brother) as a sacrifice.

The old testament is our examples and symbols (shadows) of future events.

Babylon (natural and still existing today is also symbolic of the condition of mankind). It's this sinful condition that will no longer exist when the spiritual work of the Holy Ghost is complete.

1 Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he (Christ the Holy Ghost) shall have delivered up the kingdom of God, even the Father; when he (holy Ghost) shall put down ALL rule and ALL authority and power,

(25) For he (Holy Ghost) must reign, till he (Holy Ghost) hath put ALL enemies under his (Holy Ghost) feet.

(26) The last enemy that will be destroyed will be death (because ALL will have put on spiritual bodies which death can't hurt)

(27) For he (God the Father) has put ALL things under his (Christ the Holy Ghost) feet. But when he (God the Father) saith ALL things are put under him (Christ the Holy Ghost), it is manifest that he (God the Father) is excepted (the exception), which (God the Father) did put ALL things under him (Christ the Holy Ghost).

(28) And when ALL things shall be subdued unto him (Christ the Holy Ghost), then shall THE SON ALSO HIMSELF be subject to him (GOD THE FATHER) that put all things under him (the Son), and GOD WILL BE ALL IN ALL.

please keep me in your prayers

I thank you for God's word released into my life, at such a time as this

Did GOD put the Word in Mary's womb to unite with Mary's egg to be conceived as Jesus?

Hello, God allowing something is not the same as God causing something.

What is guile

Adam: re: "...what his God did to him..."

Doesn't Job 2:3 have God telling Satan that Satan has caused God to move against Job?

It seems to me, (I'm no scholar, mind you,) but it seems to me that this statement from Job's God confirms that Job's God DID do those things to Job.

Hello Rachat, your line of thinking was spot on correct about Cain's father.