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Ge.7:1-11 "Forty Days"

" For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth."

"For yet seven days"

The narrative is set clearly on the basis of *the Law, which is the eternal word settled in the heaven. So in the creation account there were seven 'days' of creation, and and judgment now is to to be meted out upon the ungodly old world shall come in seven days.

The rains when they did come lasted for forty days and forty nights. The command number Four is a tag for the Son who came to the world as the word become flesh. A man's life the number 10 is deemed legally adequate. (Thus 4x10). The Spirit presents Jesus before being led to be tempted of the devil fasting for forty days. "Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil./After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry."(Matt.4:1-2-NIV) Likewise the risen Christ was seen for forty days."The apostles whom he had chosen,/to whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days(Ac.1:2-3).

In v.9 we are shown the creatures going in two and two unto Noah into the ark calls to mind the manner Jesus sent his disciples to preach the good news. ('and sent them two and two'- Luke 10:1)

* of the Law

vv. 2-3 the Law of the Lord:" Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female./ Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth." These shall come into their own under the Law of Moses but he is giving us from the standpoint of the Son and it is Jesus Christ who is to manifest in the fullness of time, "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."(Ro.10:4;Ac.13:39)

And Mark Ch 14 :):):):) , put them all together and get the full picture .

I forgot about Matthews account ! Sorry , Matthew Ch 26 :) .

Hi Agnostic73,

Interesting sign-in name, just to add to Jema's wonderful reply. My understanding Jesus came to fulfill the law and the prophets and Jesus asking them in Luke 22:36 to buy swords was part of fulfilling the prophecy. He told them in, Luke 22:37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

Isaiah 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

In Luke 22:36-38, He tells them why the swords they had would be enough, then in verse 52, we see they came with swords and spears as against a thief. Jesus was also put on the cross between two thieves, Matthew 27:38. Even the least of the not obvious prophecies, Jesus fulfilled them all.

God bless,

RLW

From replying to you today , I learnt that I must not allow my zeal for the truth to hurt anyone else , Jesus is a healer , if I belong to him then I must try very hard to be the same , a healer like Jesus , not a wounder like Peter was , I'm sure Peter learned that lesson rather quicker than I have :) .

In Luke 22 we have Jesus referring to the kingdom of God, telling twice the same phrase, "Until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God."(v.16. v.18). Oneupmanship among the disciples also is in harmony that it was with regards to the kingdom to come, "And he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."(v.38) This is with reference to this promise, "And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me," (vv. 28-30) and is to be taken as the badge of their symbol. Fighting the temporal powers was never the case. Jesus testimony before Pilate establishes it.(John18:36) He is referring to the kingdom to come.

Page 2 , Peters natural / carnal / human / sinful instinct would have been to try to kill anyone who would hurt Jesus . As it is , he wounds this Malchus and what does Jesus do ? Right up to the last possible moment he tries so hard to win over everyone to the Truth , he tries again to show Judas and those brute guards and corrupt officials , that he is the Messiah , the Son of God , the One that they have all been waiting for , Jesus never gives up . He wants them all to remember this incident , how he picked up a severed ear and basically stuck it back on . Imagine if you or I saw someone do that ! How would we feel ? We would surely remember it forever , how would we feel about the person who had done that ? ! Do we know how this incident affected all those who witnessed it ? No we don't . Do we know if Malchus became a Christian ? Or any other of the Jews who saw this ? No we don't . But we will know one day :) . Everything in the Bible is important ! Every incident every Word ! It was written for our spiritual understandin and development . Nothing is to be rejected as inappropriate or offensive or mysterious , all you have to do is put yourself in there ! Imagine that you are right there ! Hearing it , seeing it , feeling it , take it all in and process how it would make you feel , how the others there might feel about what they are seeing . The Bible isn't just Words in a book , it's alive ! Let yourself be immersed in it and feel it ! Peter learned submission , the others who witnessed it learned that Christ possessed the Power of God, what did you learn ?

Ge.6:13-18 (2 of 2)

The Ark

(Continued)

Length of the ark is 3x100 while breadth is 5x10 and height is 3x10. Compare this with the tabernacle in the wilderness. The court was an enclosed space of 100x50 cubits. Intent of the ark was unlike that of the tabernacle and was for preserving the godly for a world to come. Instead of the old world destroyed by waters they were to continue the holy family God had covenanted his Son. The ark was sealed "rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch."

The window in the ark suggested the window of heaven, representing the mercy seat and there was door on the side which let the generations of Noah claim the new earth. The ark was divided in three, "with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it." This was to be the world where Noah administered giving us a foretaste of the Millennial Reign of Jesus Christ.

Ge.6:13-18 (1 of 2)

The Ark

""But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark,"

This ark is Person specific, so the Spirit introduces him as a double for Son who is in context of "These are the generations of Noah."(v.9). Like wise he introduced Adam earlier.(5:1) His world a floating tabernacle, however, holds dimensions specified by God, which cautions us to treat dimensions are specific of one kind, as in the case of the holy city of God in eternity-'according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel." (Re.21:17).

Length of the ark is 3x100 while breadth is 5x10 and height is 3x10. Compare this with the tabernacle in the wilderness. The court was an enclosed space of 100x50 cubits. Intent of the ark was unlike that of the tabernacle was for preserving the godly for a world to come. Instead of the old world destroyed by waters they were to continue the holy family God had covenanted his Son. The ark was sealed "rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch."

The window in the ark suggested the window of heaven, representing the mercy seat and there was door on the side which let the generations of Noah claim the new earth. The ark was divided in three, "with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou mak

The Son is tagged by 3, and the length of the ark is 3x100. In order to emphasize the judgment aspect the number 10 is applied to the generations of Noah. God found him righteous so he and his family are saved from destruction. As St Peter refers to him here as follows, "to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,"(1 Pe.3:20-NIV) In vv.14-18 the Holy Spirit gives us additional information.

Thank you and God bless you brother , I pray for you and your family as well

There must be lessons for us to learn from this incident . Nothing in the Bible is irrelevant , it's all there for a purpose . This incident is mentioned in two of the Gospels , Luke and John . Let's look at Luke :) . Ch 22 , starting at V 31. Luke doesn't tell us the servants name but John tells us it's Malchus . John may know this because he states in John Ch 18 V 15 , that he was known to the high priest , so John knows Annas , so maybe he also knew Malchus ? Anyway back to Luke . V 24-32 of Ch 22 , Jesus is talking about his Father's Kingdom and the kings of the Gentiles etc , as far as I'm able to find out Malchus name means something like royal or king , if anyone knows any better please tell me . V 31-38 . Jesus actually tells his desciples to bring swords ! There must be a reason . The Romans were very careful about who was allowed to carry swords in their territories , so this may not have been a huge sharp thing , maybe more like a long dagger , how did Peter get this ? We don't know , but we do know Christ wanted them to have it with them . In V 31 Jesus has told Peter that satan wants to sift him as wheat , remember that Peter can sometimes be hot headed compared to the others ? Luke doesn't tell us that it was Peter who cut of Malchus's ear but John does . What else might Peter have done , he being the hothead ? He's in the garden with a sword and someone is threatening Jesus . Peter might have easily lost his cool and killed someone ! Jesus was there though , and Peter knows for sure that Jesus wouldn't want that . Peter has already declared that he would die for Jesus , may be he would have killed for him also . Jesus needs Peter to understand that this is what is supposed to happen , Peter needs to submit to God's Will , the same way that Jesus does and has and will , right up to being crucified . Peter vents his anger and fear by cutting off Malchus ear , yes it's an act of violence , but Peter has learnt restraint , his natural , see page 2.

please remember me and my family today in your prayers

Agnostic 73

Here are the verses you refer to. "Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus./ Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it? ( John 18:10-11)

One disciple having a sword came handy to Simon Peter who was quick to react often to his sorrow. He did it on the spur of moment sensing danger to his master. Why would disciples carry staff? It supports one who must move from place to place with no permanent place of abode. En route it can deter wild animals dogs from coming closer. Similarly a sword is convenient to have at hand.

Ge.6:3 "Man the message"

"And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years."(v.3)

God is a Spirit and His covenant with Man sets two worlds of the body and of the Spirit. He shall not henceforth strive with man in the Man component, on the basis of the day of creation but in terms of the logos aspect of the Son who therefore represents the way for his salvation. Gospel of Christ is tagged by the command number 12. Every man shall bear his burden and shall be responsible to keep this covenant "Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice."(Ps.50:5). Predestination disperses all spiritual blessings in his Son to man who is committed. Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever.

'Yet his days shall be'

Jesus chose 12 disciples, which gives us the clue: He represents the Gospel of his Father. As the logos aspect he is Four while as a Son he is tagged by the command number Three. The will of God in the key verse sets his days as 120 days. (4x3x10) The number 10 refers to the Law of the Lord.

The man holds two worlds, which are about the heart a spiritual space. By his life hidden in heavenly place he has length, breadth and height, which is time. By setting his days to the Law, which is settled in heaven every man has a spiritual volume in terms of the Gospel. Each member of the body of Christ consequently is an angel as well as man. "The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal./ And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel."(Re.21:16-17)

"As he is so are we in this world"( 1 John 4:17) has only a single measure that of the spiritual body,'the 'body thou hast prepared me.' Holding on to Christ the head we are of the selfsame measure, that of both angel and of man.

Ge.6:1-6 "Men of Renown"

"And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them"

The Holy Spirit records the course of the descendants of Cain, who having slain the righteous Abel did not wither away.

Parenthesis is God's mercy giving man to come to senses as the Father of the Prodigal Son in the parable waited.

Cain's inheritors have multiplied on the face of the earth, and as v.4 says 'the same became men of renown.

Are we not living in a very similar circumstance? There were 'mighty men, and men of renown. In our time it is celebrities, whose flashy life style is much emulated and peccadilloes of their kids are treated with kid gloves on the excuse that is a touch of affluenza; if they went into a career, doors are opened instantly for they are nepo babies. How ardently the media glitz surround their life style! Wealth makes 'the men of renown',- no matter the sewers left flooding the broadways and homes, their lives are envied. It was thus fallen angels found their men so they were no longer 'fallen from their first state' but found first in Cain a kindred spirit,- and then there were others as carriers of the wickedness. Jude refers to them: "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."(v.6) These unclean spirits without exception under judgment, but made common cause with the natural man beginning with Cain.

These sons of God would corrupt natural man of old even as we find it happening in our times.Social media platforms are flooded with their hate and devilish agenda. Is it surprising that God would judge the old world with waters that had become byword for the wickedness? " But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt./There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked."(Is.57:20-21). "And there was no more sea."(Re.21:1)

Ge.5. "The Four"

Lamech-cont'd

"A son in his own likeness, and after his image,"(Ge.5:3) refers to Adam who is also the son of God. ( Luke 3:38). Methuselah is distinct from his siblings. "And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech./And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters.(Ge.5:25-26)

Noah

Heb. Noach meaning rest. Foreshadows Jesus Christ who is the Mediator between God and man. In a similar manner Noah serves as the link between the old world and the new. God did not spare "the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly (2 Pe.2:5)"

The period "the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing," was one hundred and twenty years (Ge.6:3)) to which the Spirit gives a basis for baptism by water, where in few, that is, eight souls were saved by water'(1 Pe.3:20). Good conscience is equally applied to body, spirit and soul.

Noah is also a double Adam as the steward into whose keeping all His creation, were left in trust. For this reason the Last Adam a life-giving Spirit explains the beginning of the age yet to come.(1 Co.15:45)

(Selected from *SC Bible Dictionary)

Ge.5 "The Four" (1 of 2)

Enoch

He walked with God, meaning in the presence of God, so he was aware of the will of God and its fulfillment. The significance of the name of his son attests to it. It is the power of the Word and it allowed him to prophecy of the end times." Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: "See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones."(Jude v.14-NIV)" The number Seven is indicative of his life span was in accordance with the word of God. Sixty-five years before Methuselah. Three hundred years with God (3x100) points his translation without seeing death was fulfillment of the word, "And whoever lives by believing in me will never die."( John 11:26). We are setting his life in context of the word forever settled in heavens.(Ps.119:89)

Methusaleh

The Spirit places him as a double for the Son, being the seventh in descent from Seth who stepped in the breach of Abel who is the first martyr for being righteous. ( 1 John 3:12) Seven as command number indicates perfection of the divine Will. He is the only son in an age when a large family was the norm, foreshadowing 'the only begotten Son' who would be sent to the world. The holy family of Seth survives judgement of the old world through his grandson Noah. His personal name, meaning man of the dart, points to the river of time that Salvation Plan of God connects from beginning of the age to its ending

Lamech

The Spirit includes two of the same name in order to present representations of godless descendants of Cain and of the holy family beginning from Seth. Lamech the fifth in descent from Cain was boastful and who feared neither God nor man. "If Cain is avenged seven times then Lamech, seventy-seven times.' (Ge.4:27). Famous last words. On the other hand Lamech seventh in descent from Seth is a locus classic as to the 'in the image of man'. Thus Methusaleh is set as the double for the Son. The remaining sons and daughters are left out.

Ge.5:1-5

Genealogy (2of 2)

It pleased the Father that his fulness in Jesus Christ should dwell. Accordingly the Spirit gives him the tag of 42 (14x3. By Law of Gradation the power given to the beast is 42 months. Similarly the martyrdom of Abel is set in the frame reference to the Son as the beast whose authority is derived from Satan. (Re.13:5)

This Law is established on the basis of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, which earned him a name above every other name. (Ph.2:9-11; Col.1:15-19) It is thus we need approach the narrative. So our names were recorded before the worlds began. (Ep.1::3) Genealogies found in the God Document include us as the names mentioned here.

The generations of Adam with which we began this chapter presents us Noah for example a double for the Son shall continue after the old world has been judged thus we are coming a full circle, genealogy of 'now' within the genealogy of the saints redeemed from the earth in eternity. His calling and gifts are irrevocable ( Ro.11:29), whether we consider in part or as a whole.

" And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch./ And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters."(vv.18-19) Enoch carried the holy family through his generation.

In the next post titled The Four we shall consider Enoch, Methusaleh, Lamech and Noah.

Ge.5:1-5

Genealogy (1 of 2)

The Holy Spirit is summing up the genealogy of the Holy Family that were distinct from the other line that Eve as the mother of all living bore. Seth for instance is mentioned first as a son in his own likeness. The Holy Spirit with this tag establishes clearly his place as the double for the Son.

The role of Eve is indirectly referred in the second instance 'after his image' (v.3) which sets the double function of Seth in the genealogy. "And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew." (4:25). He is stand-in for Abel, the righteous one. He was after the own image of the Son, so he is heavenly; also served also as a template for the earthy.. With this simple adoption the Spirit lays down the ground rule of being born again. (John3:5-7).

St Paul explains this double function. "And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly./ Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption." The will of God has laid the rule so Christ is the head of the church; For the holy family there is only the name of the son and in him should all his fullness dwell.

It is thus Seth stepped in the breach made by Cain so obedience of Seth proves his DNA, which was faith.

In this genealogy the v.4 could be taken as the template for introducing the heir of promise. Of the rest the Spirit rounds off with this formula. "And he begat sons and daughters.' for example see vv.6-7. Seth is followed by Enos and it is how the Holy Spirit has organized the generations of Adam. In the Gospel of St Mathew we have three sets of 14 generations each, from Abraham to Jesus giving us the key to understand all these lists are held together in Jesus Christ. (Matt.1:17) The tag of 42 (14x3) serves for the Son of man whose earthly ministry lasted 42 months.

Ge. 4:25-26 "Parallel Accounts"-2

Eve is the Mother of all living. The two worlds set in Adam carried 'bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh' and it showed up in Abel and later in Seth. This would set a holy family which shall be gathered for the Millennial Reign.

"And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory./And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."(Matt.24:30-31) All the tribes of the earth indicate the coming of the Son as the Savior of the world.

The Salvation Plan having set in motion before the foundation of the world shall overarch to the Day appointed for the Son. Day of Regeneration following judgment shall be called the holy city of God. God set a mark that allowed Cain to build a city which he called Enoch after his son.

In short we have two narrative arcs one regarding the will of God regarding his Son, the city of light and another, eternal habitation for the children of wrath. In the narrative, we see the mode of Parenthesis and it separates the day of Final judgment from the fall of man. It explains the significance of the day in 2:17 we have it, "For in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.' There Parenthesis rules one day from another. It is thus we need handle the 'now' the day of salvation with day of the Lamb. Similarly the one week in the Seventy weeks appointed in the vision of Daniel.(Dan.9) One week is isolated from the whole.

"And will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy."(Ex.33:19). This is vital for understanding our calling. We need a personal Savior and Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world. (He.13:8)

Ge.4:25-26 "Parallel accounts"

"Then began men to call upon the name of the Lord."

It is significant that Adam names Eve only after their fall. Nevertheless God had blessed them even before they were formed, As Cain the firstborn he ought to have carried as the heir of promise. He proved by his deeds that he was unfit. "If thou does well will not thou be accepted" does not change since God cannot deny his holiness.

Eve under curse and as the mother of all living bares Cain who is the head of a family and his genealogy reveals they went into arts and crafts. Also significant is the fact she bares a godly child who is called Abel who is qualified in the book of life as the righteous one.( 1 John 3:12) From vv.18-24 we have a list of names, which is typical of artisans whose mastery is essential for burnishing the gloss of urban life to a sheen. Notwithstanding not all were city dwellers as Cain was. "And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle." (v.20).

Then there were Jubal ("He was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ,"v.21) and Tubalcain ( an instructor of every artificer in brass and iron"-v.22). God set Adam to keep the ground, meaning that God chose his tasks while Cain's progeny as mentioned here above chose their careers to prosper in their new environment. Henceforth the city would shape them so their families would have altogether livelihood of their choice, which meant they would set before them new priorities entirely different than Adam had. At the end of this chapter we read this verse,"Then began men to call upon the name of the Lord." Father Mendel did not tell anything new with his experiment with peas and we have how God works with His creation. The two worlds set in Adam carried 'bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh' and it showed up in Abel and later in Seth. This would set a holy family which shall be gathered for the Millennial Reign.

Heavenly Father, I thank you for Your love for Joseph, in that You sent Your Son Jesus to heal him. Jesus, You are the God of miracles. I claim victory for Joseph. Heavenly Father, through Your Son Jesus all the honor and glory be given unto You. Amen

Bennymkje

How do you explain the enmity between the (seed of the serpent) and the (seed of the woman) in ( Gen 3:15)? seed meaning child, bear, conceive seed.

The word (again) is #3254; it means to add or augment, ((to continue to do a thing)), come more + conceive. Augment means to make (something already developed or well under way) greater. Therefore God greatly multiplied her conception as in ( Gen 3:16) God said "in sorrow shalt thou bring forth children" Whatever she did with the serpent was why God put enmity between the serpent seed and the womans seed. and why God greatly multiplied her sorrow and her conception.

God allowed her to have twins which greatly multiplied her conception.

To continue to do a thing means give birth and continue to give birth again. Cain and Abel were twins.

I refuse to argue with anyone Benny. Its sad that somebody on this site can say really bad things about another and accuse them of being argumentive and some will just run with that whether its truth or not. Friendly discussions, or even friendly debates is a great way to learn from each other and grow as the Body of Christ. We must humbly seek the Truth and not think we already know it all, we do not!

Truth is what matters Benny.

Blessings to you.

End time signs we have no need to write to each other that already know. Keep sharing His word when can but also being ready to meet in the air. Don't let all the 'no rapture' or 'post-trib' whatever else there is. Many false prophets will come the Word tells us. God Bless you all.

1 Thessalonians 5:1-111

1But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

4But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

5Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

6Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

7For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

8But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

9For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

10Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

11Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

I have been thinking a lot recently about the incident in the Garden when Peter cuts off Malchus' ear. I find it strange that Peter carried a sword at all or that our Lord would have countenanced anyone like that as a follower far less a disciple.

I wonder if any of the gospel critics have given this incident any serious consideration?

Dear Brother David ,hi!I made sure to remember to pray for you and your family.And for your 2 daughters and their families!God bless you My Brother in the Lord.

Hey Frankie J,

Part one

Thank you for your caring and concerned reply, many are not in agreement with understanding this subject, and as long as we address it with caring and love to not let it divide us. All I can do is give the understanding I have received from my prayer and study with an open heart.

John 8:34 The Greek word poie translated as committeth means continuing the actions of sin, being the servant of sin. They were not willing to accept Jesus as their Messiah and come in repentance, not that they would not sin. 1 John 3:6-10 As long as we abide in Him we are in a relationship walking in the light.

Does this mean we will not sin? No, if we are abiding in Him, we are living a repentant life and in obedience, not a slave to sin but a slave to Christ. In verse 8 we have that Greek word poie we are not practicing and continuing in sin not in repentance. Same in verse 9 poieo commit, the children of God are manifest, they are being known by following and being obedient.

Gal. 5-9 we have had 2000 years of leaven that we can see everywhere the whole lump is almost bloated. Rom 6:1,2,6,14,15,16,18,22 These are about not to continue in sin, sinning without thought or repentance. When we accept Jesus and are baptized, we are justified and made righteous no longer a servant to sin.

Does that mean we never sin again, No, we are dead and free from sin as long as we are obedient Jesus is faithful and just to forgive us our sins. We must remain faithful and obedient, if not we will be responsible and have to pay for our sins. Rom. 8:2 as long as we abide in Jesus, we have life and are free from the penalty of death the strength of sin is the law. Hebrews 10:10,14,17,18,26,29,39 My understanding of this chapter is written to those of the house of Israel that some who had become a Christian were falling back to the old law.

See part two,

Frankie J,

Part two,

The heart of it is Heb.10:23-27 the same as for us today we are to hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering or forsake, if we do not hold fast, we will not be in God's grace and our sins will no longer be covered and we will pay at the judgment. Phill. 2:13 Heb. 13:21 is God's work of sanctification.

Quote: (Ronald, have you ever had an unction that cross your own will, telling you not to do or say something & show you what to do or to say? & if not heeded to, condemn you for it? Or maybe you were in a tryst state, & say or did something & later Holy Spirit/ Grace convicted you of wrong? This is the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus, Grace.)

I agree and I do not think I have said anything that is contradictory of it. As long as we are in the grace of God walking in the light not in the flesh our sins will be forgiven and our salvation secure.

If we believe, If we abide in Jesus, if ye keep my commandments, if we endure, if thou continue in his goodness, if ye keep in memory, if we faint not, if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast unto the end, if ye endure chastening, If we confess our sins, he that endureth to the end shall be saved, he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved,

These are things that we must do, our responsibility, our obedience, there are more. We cannot earn our salvation it is a free gift by the grace of God through the faith of Jesus. We are to be obedient and if we are until the end, we will be in the grace of God covered by the blood of Christ and all our sins will be blotted out. If we are not, we will be cut off Rom. 11:22, and be under the penalty of sin and we know what that is. A Person who was saved, a Christian, can turn from Christ and return to sin.

Our difference I see, is my understanding is a Christian can if they do not endure and go back and willfully sin unrepentant will lose their salvation and the gift of eternal life.

God bless,

RLW

I will continue praying for you. God bless you Kosh 74.

What I should have said was that we ARE His vessels. God bless you RicoUS. Have a great day.