King James Bible
King James Version (KJV)


Viewing page: 2572 of 6006
< Previous Discussion Page Next Discussion Page >
2562 2563 2564 2565 2566 2567 2568 2569 2570 2571 2572 2573 2574 2575 2576 2577 2578 2579 2580 2581
Posting comments is currently unavailable due to high demand on the server.
Please check back in an hour or more. Thank you for your patience!
That year I found myself not going back to the church regularly. I felt that if she walked up to me again and lean over in my face again, I might have to push her off. She was old enough to be my mother, so I felt it best to get away. When I lefty after being out close to a year, I got married to a man 12 years older than me who was an elder but was a church hopper and had 9 previous wives. I blamed no one but myself. Although I prayed day and night to be in God's will. I went to his church to visit before we married, and he was preparing for his ordination. I did call my pastor to marry us, and he said it would be his privilege. He had told the congregation how I had been faithful and waited a long time. He believed people needed to get married quickly because of burning of the flesh. When my husband had us leaving different churches, due to the fact that his pastor refused to ordain him, in the ordination because he did a background check of previous pastors. I thought that that pastor is where he has been going all the time. He only wanted to get ordained to have his own little church, and to run it his way. And I was to be his quiet, obedient wife, with the two other children he bought. A 3 year old, and an 8 year old son. Needless to say, I was separated and would visit the old church until I returned in 2017. My old pastor was glad to see me back. He knew that I could add to the church in a positive way. His wife would speak to me also, very friendly as usual in front of him, but very sneaky. I still did not trust her. But I had matured enough to know that she has problems that she had not given to God. Because God would send members to their church for growth for them. And needless to say, the church was smaller, and they were in a store front church.
Needless to say, she kept it up, and any member who would come to the church or visitors, all would treat me with distance, as though you would (point out a brother). One time, someone in the church said there money was missing. I can't remember if my mother gave it to a person or not. But the sister let us know that it was missing and I told her she must let the pastor know. I remember this clearly. There were other visitors of course who weren't Christians/saved there. Pastor announced it in the pulpit to please return it, you can imagine how he expressed it. His wife the called the attention to the church and stood up in front of everybody and said, the Lord had let her know that I think she said three people who weren't right or something like a thief. I cannot remember correct words. God had told her this. About 15 min later in that same hour, the congregation moved around, and it was figured out. The money was stuck in someone's purse as a gift without them knowing it. But was stuck in the wrong purse, and when they went to it, it was there just like they said. Pastor's wife did not apologize and of course pastor did not correct her. I don't know maybe he did in private.
Around 2009, I was joyful but hurt at the same time because I could not understand in my commitment to holiness, why there was no brotherly love. I thought everyone should have brotherly love. I stretched myself far, visited most people houses throughout the years, but only one or two have come to mind. Don't get me wrong, my pastor always asked if I need a ride or money for gas. But sometimes we need neither but something else from our Christian brothers and sisters like encouragement, strength, to know I miss you and not criticize you one you get there.
The day that the pastor's wife took me to that room and got in my face, her body touched my chest, and that was too close as she was talking to me. I have never been approached like that by a grown woman in my life. I had talked to my mother, and she told me I should talk to the pastor. I talked to him privately and he said he would speak with her and get back with me. When he did get back with me at church, I cannot remember if it was a church night after service or we met at the church in a room. This is what he did, he said, "I talked to my wife about what you said", and as I walked into the room, he said "there", turned toward his wife, so she and I would face each other. And left it that way. She said what she wanted to me, and he did not help as far as I can remember. He put me in front of my attacker. I was so hurt, disrespected, and undermined.
There was no older people to look up to. Pastor said he wanted to run the church his way. I was careful about hearing those words, but I'm sure he was implying Hebrews 12:14. When he would say things which sounded like anger, I'm not saying it was, or act a certain way that I know he would not act if certain deacons and pastors were there. I must be honest, it concerned me. This was around about 2001. We were in a large church rented from another church. Very huge but very seldom got passed a handful of people. When the church seemed to grow, they stayed for a while and leave. The pastor does not know to this day, that most of them told me that this church would never grow if there's no love. I feel that if the pastor is hard, we could tolerate it to a certain extinct. I used to be able to encourage him, but his wife, I say this in the name of Jesus Christ, is doing so much discord which causes the division. Any ideas we have, she would try to take over, or be a part of it, because she knew certain ones had gifts. But what she was doing was sickening to our stomachs. I was faithful to church 3 days out of a week if possible. I lived in south St. Louis, and their church was all the way North County. It seemed like no one cared how far I had to drive because when I missed a day or two, he would mention in church that some of us aren't committed and wont sacrifice. Sometimes I went to church with no electric, very little food, and a car with expired license plate and bad engine.
Thank you for responding to me so soon, I really appreciate it. My heart was so heavy and I truly truly know what's not the spirit of God. Just to clarify, my pastor got married at the old church, which was a very large church. He has been married I think about 2 years before he moved to his own church. I never did tell the pastor what she said about her being the pastor because the whole church knew it and they were also confused. I do know it is rare, that the pastor's wife is the assistant pastor. With her dominant spirit, most of us let her say what wanted. And I was there only to help build the church, not to change what plans they had. There was no elders in the church for many years. But when his wife's son joined the church, he became deacon and later elder. Pastor Sutherlin asked me and him if we wanted to get our license. The deacon said yes, and I said no I didn't feel I was ready for such training. My pastor did not object. During this time, I was going through so much discord, strife, and conflict. And I knew it would be more like a competition. That's the real reason why I said no. This deacon is younger than I am, and I am 55 years old. At that time I was 45. I felt that I mature and wise. As a single parent who raised three children in church and carried myself respectfully. I didn't care if he was young or old. I had no problem with authority. Especially when God ordains an individual. The only two ministers were he and I. The members were myself and two children, his wife and two children, my mother, another woman with a disability who was about 10 years younger than my mother, and the pastor's brother who was in and out.
I just confused about people said Yes God do allows and some people said no.
I want to follow God's words.
Thank you again for your reply. Excuse me, I did not explain myself well when I quoted Ecclesiastes 6:11. The NIV Bible reads "The more the words, the less the meaning, and how does that profit anyone?". My point was just that we should keep our words few to enhance the meaning and be clear.
Your second paragraph, which begins with "I realize...", I agree with completely. But why do we have to cut God up into different pieces and say They are different Persons in the Godhead. Why can we not see it as one Person just having different jobs. For example, I am a father, a son, a husband, etc., but still I am just one person. Is it not possible that God is expressing Himself in the same way? And we misunderstand it as being different Persons in the Godhead?
In your 3rd paragraph you wrote "So we see the Father in Heaven, His Son (Word made flesh) at the Father's right Hand & His Spirit who indwells the believer & convicts men". This appears to show different Persons, but look at what the apostle John saw in Revelations 4:2 - And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. / ONE sat on the throne and no other deity next to It or at Its right Hand. And concerning the Spirit indwelling the believer: Was it not God's purpose from the beginning to have intimate fellowship with His children; God in His fulness, not a third of the fulness.
I am not so familiar with Jesus Only ideas so I cannot comment on that.
And last; you asked: "If Jesus was just a created Being, what difference is there between Him & the pure, spotless sacrificial animal?" Answer: Jesus is a spiritual sacrifice which can touch our spirits, making us repent, filling us with God's Spirit, making us sinless and not needing any more sacrifice for sins. (1John3:9 - Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.) Hallelujah!
Peace & Love in Christ
Thank you again for your reply, and your appreciation.
I will consider what you have written.
Peace & Love in Christ
If you're referring to God "resting on the seventh day (of His creating Work)", we understand that means that He ceased from His work, i.e. He didn't get tired from all His hard work, rather, all that He purposed to do in establishing the worlds & all that is in & on them, was now complete & He refrained from further creating. However, this shouldn't imply that God's Hand was withheld from doing anything else in the future, but in establishing the worlds, they were completed.
The essential point is that, in the volume of Scriptures you quote to support the idea that Jesus was a specially created Being by God & not coming out of the Essence of God to be a man, what do you, as a student of God's Word, do with the other Scriptures as we have given you, to show otherwise?
I knew someone, not a believer but an ardent reader of the Bible. He knew & believed that God was a God of Love but just could not understand why false writings were put into the Bible showing God sending Israel out to the Promised Land to utterly kill every living thing there. He just could not reconcile God 'instigating & encouraging murder'. So he carefully proceeded to rip out those 'erroneous' pages from the Bible so that his further reading of it would be in line to his understanding of the Doctrine of God. I'm certainly not suggesting that you have done as such - I think much better things of you - but your reservation to explain away these Scriptures we bring to you to show the Divinity of Christ, both pre & post incarnation, is notable.
You can certainly keep on writing that Jesus is only God's Son revealed on Earth & nothing before this, but one would have to wonder what you are doing to those other Scriptures that show otherwise. Do you re-interpret them, avoid them, obliterate them, etc.? In love & concern, we long to learn from where you get your ideas from - & I'm assuming that you're not a JW (as I would approach this discussion differently). If your ideas come from reading the Word, the same one we all read from, then what happens to the other Scriptures that also give us an added view of the pre-incarnate existence of Christ? This is unavoidable - we are constrained to deal with them as the Word of God.
Thank you so much.
Love everyone on here, Hope to see you all on the new Earth someday.
You'll have to find that quickie Google link to get to the comments.
PRETERIST" in the KJV Bible
'PRETERIST' in the Bible... No direct matches for your keyword exist in the King James Bible.
Click the 'Search' button below to search the entire website (including all scripture translations, comments, commentary, Bible dictionary, articles, and other pages):
Thank you for your respectful reply. I appreciate that. Some people are just looking to start quarrels and fights, but I now believe that is not your motive, but that you actually believe what you said to be true.
It sounds like you justified your belief by admitting that you don't believe the entire Bible, specifically 1 John 5:7, which you attempted to discredit. I believe the whole Bible including 1 John 5:7 as God's Word so I do not believe what you wrote. I think the bulk of your belief hinges on 1 verse Isaiah 9:6 which you strip out all the other meaning to focus on one word then conflate that word with God the Father then assume they are the same. This involves some mental gymnastics to come to your conclusion and I will prove how this is a logical fallacy. First you ignore all of Jesus' nicknames listed but zero in on 'everlasting father'. You then drop off the first word and and focus only on 'father' then you realize that God the father also has the word 'father' in it and assume they are the exact same being, despite billions of other fathers also existing on Earth. Does that mean all instances of 'father' in the Bible automatically mean God the father? Like Genesis 2:24 means to leave 'God the father' then? Obviously not. Genesis 9:18 says Ham is the father of Canaan- does this mean he's 'God the father' too like Jesus? If using the same logic this one is more likely to be conflated with God the father, because it directly says 'father' not 'everlasting father'- the one of many nicknames for Jesus. And again, Jesus praying to God the Father actually happened, and so Jesus obviously didn't pray to Himself. So, I think your position is refuted with scripture and logic, but if you don't believe parts of the Bible as you admitted then I can then see how you arrive at this distorted interpretation. I appreciate you sharing your interpretation, but I don't believe it's true. Have you prayed about this, to ask God for the truth? God bless you.
Go to link on the red page on this website and open 'become Christian', and pray that prayer.
Your baby is with the Lord now. You will meet some future day. In a place of no sorrow or guilt; just joy.