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Conchita, I too was raised RC and was practicing until I was 33 years old. When I made the same discovery about the commandments as you have, I made my first step away from the Roman church. They changed the commandments so they can keep their idols and images. Ask yourself...why do you need two commandments for coveting? I am appalled when I think of how they made me worship idols. But praise God for His mercy in forgiveness and praise Him for deliverance from the pagan church!!!

If you took the name Jesus Christ out of catholicism, you would still have the mass, the pope, cardinals, priests, nuns, The "hail Mary" and the rosary, all the many rituals, and their "sacraments"...get the picture?

Patti, How blessed we are to know the love of Christ. Coming to this knowledge in a thankless world can only come from above. The power of the holy spirit in our lives is his grace towards us found in the shed blood of Him you speak of! God bless you in in your journey,while always keeping your eyes and hearing in the cross!

Patti, How blessed we are to know the love of Christ. Coming to this knowledge in a thankless world can only come from above. The power of the holy spirit in our lives is his grace towards us found in the shed blood of Him you speak of! God bless you in in your journey,while always keeping your eyes and hearing in the cross!

Be honest in god and be protected in jesus name ,what ever it comes i jesus name.

Please pray for me

The Bible declares that divorce is a sin as it breaks the special lasting bond that a husband & wife can enjoy: the two shall be one flesh. So Paul says in 1 Corinthians 6:16, "know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh." So any sexual union outside of marriage is considered an act of adultery.

When you say "when the partner cannot understand each other any longer", is it that misunderstandings & arguments are so frequent that the marriage is no longer loving & committed? At times, a couple can come to 'loggerheads' or the marriage becomes so stale or difficult that divorce seems the only release from that situation. However, in a Christian marriage, divorce is not an option, but there is room for a separation ( 1 Corinthians 7:11) with a view to take time away from each other to consider the matter & for eventual reconciliation. Yet, if even this isn't possible, then a permanent separation may be needed, but both parties remain unmarried.

This sounds difficult, especially if the suffering becomes unbearable in marriage, even if everything is done, including both praying & waiting on the Lord, seeking counselling & giving the marriage another shot by making some changes in those areas of conflict. If there's still no hope, then only a separation is permitted. If they still want to divorce & re-marry, then they come under the Hand of God for their outcome. But as I say, everything must be done to save the marriage, which is holy before God.

Hi Claire, I think I misunderstood Ss' reply to you concerning the Church. Re-reading it shows that Ss also believed that the Church is the body of believers & not a building. Apologies.

Re: The Way Prepared. At their subject, 'Our Greatest Hindrance', the major part of that was highlighting that the Sabbath Day should still be the day that believers meet for worship. I'm unsure where you stand on this matter, but I think you are happy to go to your Fellowship on a Sunday or do you insist it be a Saturday?

The other subject I looked at on that Site, was 'What are the Ten Commandments'. In the most part, the instruction was correct, though with the emphasis to keep the Commandments as a duty in the Christian walk was not properly addressed & balanced. The material failed to take in, to whom the Commandments were specifically given, why they were given, & the Apostle Paul's discourses on the cessation of the commandments upon the advent of the New Covenant through Jesus' Blood. We can indeed be taught about God's requirements for Holy living from the commandments & other instructions to us, but to rest on them for our salvation & entrance to the New Jerusalem, I find erroneous. I can't go into detail here about this as it would require many pages, though, if you search on this Site, you might see some of the discussions we've had on it - both for & against.

I grew the most as a Christian, just reading the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Paying close attention to everything Jesus said or did, or revealed. How did he act?

I read it real slow so I wouldn't skim by and miss something. I learned who he is; I saw how he reacted. He doesn't get explosive on people. He's patient, kind, righteous: he likes to tell stories; so do I.

If no one would listen, he moved on to the next place. He won people's hearts by telling them of Gods heart. He has a deep love for kids.

I went to the same church with a guy named, CARMAN. He's lived his life doing concerts at Churches, for kids and their families. He's a very kind, funny at times and loves to sing about Jesus. Check out some of his videos on YouTube. Type in YO KIDZ. My favorite song is The Champion.

Happy Birthday :D

May the Lord of all keep his Hand on You and bless you with Wisdom, Understanding and Knowlege of the mysteries of the Bible. May the Holy Spirit Keep you near to his heart. I pray the Lord would bless you with angels to keep you safe; and all of your family. May all of you find favor with the Lord. Ask for what you Need.

Love Mishael

No contradiction: when we sin or when God disciplines us, we will suffer at His Hand. I'm not talking about a God of evil or God Who creates evil as has been discussed. I'm talking here about when we do wrong & we suffer at God's Hand. Is this the work of an evil God? Is a parent evil for disciplining his child, or the Law in punishing the wrong-doer? No evil created but we suffer 'evil' at their hands.

Giving "me permission to kill someone" is a strange example, but yes, if you could give me 'permission' & I took 'advantage' of that, then I don't see how you would be blamed, though your mental state could be brought into question. The blame & punishment rests upon me who committed the crime. But if you compelled me to kill, indeed threatened me with death if I refused you, then you would bear the greater responsibility - and God doesn't force or compel us to do wrong (or, evil).

I'm not replying with scriptures, ok? I think Nimrod was the first ruler to implement the use of "slaves", to build a tower just so he could satisfy his desire to shoot arrows at God,

The Godhead in their mercy, confused the languages. People drifted off to other regions to build their own cities where they settled. I don't remember Nimrod stopping them?

I consider myself to be a willing slave to Jesus: because He first loved me. I had to learn of that love, and to receive it. Gratitude and worship of Who He is, is where I choose to be. I desire to embrace all that He desires me to be. Free of self imposed hindrances that this flesh struggles against the desire of the spirit: which wants to worship God alone. We do groan inwardly to be free.

Belonging to Jesus is my one great happiness. Family and other things are blessings, but I don't set them above the love of God.

We all make our own way towards Him, the easiest way we will come. I fall over rocks at times, but I get up and continue the journey.

That carnality in our self is the biggest rock. It opposes progress to the freedom that is only found in Christ.

That's why it's my thought that true slavery already existed within ourselves. It wars against the freedom that is in Christ. But our deepest heart wants to be free.

People are captured by the flesh and taken captive (enslaved to bondage) by ever present, Satan. Who watches, studies our weakest cracks: drugs, porn, overeating, reading a horoscope instead of reading the Bible for an encouraging word for our day.

Spending plastic money instead of saving so we can pay cash. Envying other people's homes, wives, cars.

It takes change within, to set us free from what the flesh wants. People want freedom! They just don't see the Bible as a means to be free. They try everything (they see on tv) trying to get free. The worldly voice just wants your money! Even your Soul.

Only Jesus heals. He can cure us. Change us. Free us slaves.

David, you've given some great Scriptures about sickness, prayer & healing for the believer. I can't fault the Truth therein & its reality. The problem arises with the understanding of the sanctifying work of the Spirit. We've discussed this at length & I do understand your position on this, but I've yet to clearly see that the Spirit's Work in the believer includes the removal of sin & the sin nature.

As well, I don't share your belief that sin is only a spiritual illness. That sin, which finds its home in the carnal nature in man, has as its products, sickness, disease & death. No sin nature = no sin, sickness or death. But I stop here as we've beaten this matter to death though it has served to show me how other believers regard scriptural Truths. Thank you for your time, David, you are one of the few who have stayed the distance.

So true, Mishael. Yet, I always, through a medium such as this where one only sees the person's words & considers them as if genuine & searching, then one ought to give as accurate a response as possible based on Scripture & the Spirit's moving. As well, I always think of those who don't write in, but in their search for answers or in a desperate state, they might be drawn to KJB Online seeking help. I ask myself: how would it be if they only saw one comment, & then accepting that to be true, since there were no further comments or challenges to consider?

Actually, I despise being argumentative, yet for the Truth's sake, there is a clear warrant for standing up for one's beliefs & on the other side of the coin, that I too might gain some insight or understanding in a matter that I was unclear about. I have enjoyed some great 'debates' over the time, & mostly I've learned what a diverse lot we are as Christians, in how we understand the Scriptures from personal study & what we accept as Truth as coming from the pulpit or from authors. And yet, in spite of our sometimes very divergent understanding of the Scriptures, the Lord still loves us so much & I'm sure longs for that time (as we too wait) when all these 'debatable' things will be clearly understood & the hidden things revealed. Yet certain Truths must be tenaciously held onto & defended. All your comments Mishael, are appreciated, especially matters concerning the spirit world, to which most of us are sadly ignorant or even pretend don't exist. As you know, most of our activity on Earth is greatly influenced by what is unseen.

Just on what you stated about me. You can call me all the names you want. When one says be "careful" that means to exercise caution or be mindful. Like when someone says to a child "look both ways before you cross the street!" It's not a threat. It's because I, or they, care about that person.

May the Lord Bless you with knowledge and peace. Love one another.

so why is God setting rules for his people to follow . Its literally robbing a human being of their entire life, liberty and pursuit of happiness in order to gain money off of their labor. I dont care if slaves had accommodations at the four seasons, if they still were someone's property with no freedom to act on their own desires, life goal, ability to fulfill their potential and had no rights as an equal, only to be used as free labor. How anyone could claim that there is any context where that would be ok?, I don't care what time in history it was, God should have not only condemned this but actually punished slave owners not make rules for it. Genesis chapter 17, verse 12: Exodus chapter 12 verse 43: Exodus Chapter 21, verse 1: Exodus Chapter 21, verse 20Exodus Chapter 21, verse 32: Leviticus Chapter 22, verse 10: Leviticus Chapter 25, verse 44: Luke, Chapter 7, verse 2:Colossians, chapter 3, verse 22: Titus, chapter 2 verse 9: new testament jesus said1st Peter 2:18 slave submit yourself to your masters with all respect not only the good and gentle ones but also the cruel.

If you understand who the Father of all is and that he is the one God and father of Jesus his only son then you will understand the Bible . Jesus coming from God is certainly God manifest in the flesh .

It's really that simple .

Many places in scriptures can be applied in many ways but false in the application this how cults form .

People that believe what you are selling are in error.

To try to convince people in error is impossible unless God through his Holy Spirit can reach them . It requires an honest effort to know the truth even if it's not popular .

I find many verses applied in error .

Just like the law of marriage it's really simple , but men have found ways to get what they want through miss applied verses .

Yes we are in dark days in the churches !

I left them long ago ! And have no regrets! I will pray for you Chris nothing personal these false teachings started with the Roman Catholic Church almost 400 yrs after the NT .

I'm with the apostles teachings , nothing more .

Its literally robbing a human being of their entire life,

liberty and pursuit of happiness in order to gain money off of their

labor. I don't care if slaves had accommodations at the four

seasons, if they still were someone's property with no freedom to act

on their own desires, life goal, ability to fulfill their potential and had

no rights as an equal, only to be used as free labor or as sex slaves How anyone could claim

that there is any context where that would be ok, I don't care what

time in history it was, God should have not only condemned this but

actually punished slave owners like gays or unruly kids. Genesis chapter 17, verse 12: Exodus chapter 12 verse 43:

Exodus Chapter

21, verse 1: Exodus Chapter 21, verse 20

Exodus Chapter 21, verse 32:

Leviticus Chapter 22, verse 10:

Leviticus Chapter 25, verse 44: Luke, Chapter

7, verse 2:

Colossians, chapter 3, verse 22:

Titus, chapter 2 verse 9:

My granddaughter Julina is 18 and I am not sure she has been saved. Please ask God's angels to speak softly to her and urge her to accept Jesus as her Lord and Savior and be baptized and urge her father to be also. She is a beautiful child and not sure where her or if her parents had directed her path to salvation whether it be my fault or theirs she deserves to be saved from her Grandmothers prayers for Generations and currently praying for a grandmother who realizes her shortcomings. Please pray for her salvation.

here God tells Moses what he should do [ numbers 31:17 through 18 now therefore kill every male among the little ones and kill every woman who has known man intimately but all the girls who have not known man it's a mid-lease pair for yourself] and here God is setting the rules for his people that owned slaves [Exodus Chapter 21, verse 20:

If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.]

God is also completely comfortable with the concept of beating your slaves, as long as you don't kill them. [Leviticus Chapter 25, verse 44:

Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelite's ruthlessly.]

Here God states where you may purchase your slaves, and clearly specifies that slaves are property to be bought, sold and handed down. and this is what Jesus has to say about .[ 1st Peter 2:18 slave submit yourself to your masters with all respect not only the good and gentle ones but also the cruel.] shouldn't the Bible say, "Slavery is wrong -- you may have no slaves"? Shouldn't one of the Commandments say, "thou shalt not enslave"? Ephesians 6:5

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Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Colossians 3:22

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Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.

My nephew Avery Hoover is 16 and hooked on drugs. Please ask God to deliver him from this addiction and let him know that God loves him as his own and will save him from this life of evil and addiction if he will just ask. Pray for his parents Carol Ann and Dale to be delivered from depression and give them strength to be the parents God intended them to be.

I love reading of the great women in the bible. Just finished the book of Ruth.

Please pray for my only child Joey Hudman as he is sick with COVID. Not sure of his salvation but asking for healing in sickness and healing for him to accept Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior and to be saved. To be pulled closer to God in this time. I love him so and want him to be saved first and healed in Jesus Christ Holy Name.

I doubt that if it was all translated into Greek or Hebrew, it would convince. The Pharisees knew all of the scriptures but they still did not believe and refused to believe Jesus was the Messiah they had preached about. It would've meant that there was One greater than themselves.

Their security of income would end. It would be like telling the Pope, you're fired: the true Messiah is here. People can pray to Jesus and be forgiven now.

God knew this would happen just as it is. If He wrote on the sky with His finger, they would denounce it; call it a lying wonder.

The evangelist in my spirit says that there are still many who Will believe Jesus is who scripture says He is. Over 100 scriptures were fulfilled on the event of Jesus's crucifixion. Those odds alone prove He is who scripture says He is.

There's an ocean of people who will believe. If people are stubborn resistant, it tells me that the Holy Spirit is not drawing those people. They need prayer and fasting. We can say a prayer for them and ask Jesus to draw them on cords of love.

You feel like giving up till you remember how Jesus ministered. He cast out the devils and then the person is healed and in their right mind.

Be at peace that you always give it your best effort; then move along to those who are Ready to hear Truth.

The Lord bless and keep you, Chris.

What date did jesus pick the disciples

Rob, there is an abundance of evidence of Jesus' Life & Form prior to His incarnation. How then do you understand one of the first references I shared, John 1:1-14? Everything we need to know about Jesus is there in those verses: His very Nature as the Word of God, His part in God's creative work, & His absolute divinity being set aside (in part) so that He could become Man, a Servant, for our sake.

We would have to reject Scripture as our authority or at least find multiple flaws in them, to be persuaded that the Christ of the NT is simply a created Holy Being. Even the JWs are pressed to use another word in Colossians 1:15 for 'firstborn' = 'prototokos' to read 'first created' = 'protokitises' to support their belief as you subscribe to. So, we can do whatever we want with Scriptures if we're so inclined, yet the proofs are before us all.

Great verses Bendito. The Lord gave me John 8:58 this morning & then I found your comment confirming the preciousness of that Scripture. Even the Lord's use of "I am" should give us a clear instance of Jesus' declaration of divinity.

A couple of great pertinent verses that you have given, Richard. There's certainly an abundance of proofs of our Lord's Divinity. Thank you.

Jesse, may the Spirit grace you with understanding, everyone receives the same reward. The reward is Christ (eternal life). To him that overcometh will I give: Revelation 2:7 the tree of life (Christ) Revelation 2:10 crown of life (Christ) Revelation 2:17 a white stone (Christ) Revelation 22:28 the morning star (Christ) Revelation 3:5 white raiment (Christ) Revelation 3:12 a pillar in the temple (Christ) Revelation 3:21 set with me in my throne (Christ)

We earn nothing; the gift of God is eternal life 1 Timothy 6:16 Who (Christ) only hath immortality.......

That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world

But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ

For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace

And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby

And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father

Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord

Hi Wayne,

I noticed you wrote: "shouldn't the Bible say, "Slavery is wrong -- you may have no slaves"?"

First, the Bible doesn't say slavery is morally right anywhere. If you assume that, please state where you think it says that. It says the opposite, though. Not every sin is explained in detail as a comprehensive list as what not to do. Matthew 22:36-40 - 2 greatest commandments say love your neighbor. You can't enslave someone beyond their will and be loving, so its obviously wrong.

There's a verse people commonly cite which is addressed to slaves to be content. Just because something is addressed to someone doesn't mean it's ok.

To anyone who reads the Bible and seeking to know God and emulate Jesus's character it's obvious that slavery and oppressing others is wrong if someone is actually, not everything morally wrong is specifically stated in the Bible, because there's countless ways to harm others. It also doesn't say to not look at pornography and isn't specific to all sexual sins, but if someone made that argument, they would obviously be using a logical fallacy too.

The Bible is full of examples to be kind and loving to each other. Example: Zechariah 7:9-10.

The Bible is also a book of history and real historical things documented, including many negative things. So a common fallacy is people assume just because it says something in the Bible means it's morally ok. No, there was death, slavery, and horrible things happening in that time and it doesn't mean it was morally allowed by God. Everyone will be judged fairly. Slavery was one of the many unfortunate ways people suffered back then- over a million Israelites were slaves in Egypt.

There was also a form of servitude back then which was common for the culture- which was closer to a job in some cases, even though people enjoy calling it slavery in order to strengthen their argument. You can go to a kibbutz today in Israel if you want and see what it's like- would that make you a slave? Volunteering for something to get something in return isn't slavery.

Bishop,

I hope the grace of God will help you and your family get through this tough time.

Sara J.