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So how is then that David asks God to cleans him from secret sins Link

And what does it mean that those that have suffered in the flesh have ceased from sin Link

And of course 1 John 1:8 Link

"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."

This issue of sanctification is not so neat and to me for one to speak of ceasing from sin without delving into the aforementioned and the verses that speak to the security of the believer throughout John's Gospel do risk a myopic approach to the whole thing.

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Hello David,

Just a couple simple questions to see what you're believing:

Do you believe there is no such thing as right and wrong, good and bad, or sins and fruits anymore? Which twists everything. As satan loves to do.

Or do you you believe you are perfect now, in the eyes of God, as Jesus Christ was?

Thank you.

I have no more comment on this subject.

Hello David, thanks for your response. It's interesting how I shared a mountain of scriptures, but you seemed to disregard and not comment on them. All you have to do is hover over them to see what the Bible verse says.

But I noticed you just changed your position.

Before you said "if you are sinning still, you are not saved." However, in your last post you wrote something that seems to contradict itself. "I truly feel sorry for you. You have been sold a lie. So too has most of this world been sold the lie you cannot stop sinning."

Then you wrote "I will stand firm on what I said that I am free from sin because of applying the blood of Jesus through repentance, salvation, and sanctification."

But if you're already perfect and sinless why what would you need to repent from? And what would you need to be sanctified from? You already said you're sinless, so what you said contradicts itself, unless you believe you in fact do continue to sin and need to repent and be sanctified of it. So, which do you believe?

You also said some false statements: "You choose not to believe Him. You have been given false teaching that you can't be free now."

Why would you assume I don't believe in Jesus Christ? I've read the Bible directly and quoted the Bible directly so why do you assume I was given a false teaching? A teaching from who? The Bible, or you?

Hello Claire

ok, Please just slow down a little bit. OK we are going to try and give you some answers, If you have confessed your sins to Jesus and accepted him into your heart you are saved, so when you start to doubt and i mean immediately remember 1st John 1 vs 9 if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Please memorize that verse that is your best defense against the attacks on your mind by satan, in the book of James it says resist the devil and he will flee from you. i have gone through attacks from satan and I still remind him that my sins are forgiven, Baptisim is important our Lord Jesus told us it was but not being baptized does not mean you are not saved but get baptized as soon as you can because it will help with a public confession of faith. I was an addict for many years and that was after knowing Christ and i still struggle with it, we all have our struggles so yes that is normal. The gifts of the holy spirit are for everyone and not everyone gets the same gifts. God answers

prayer without a doubt and frequently the answer is no or wait but if it is good for you and his will then it will get answered when the time is right, because Gods timing is never wrong. Remember everything in the bible is true and correct God cannot lie if you ask for forgiveness you get it, repentance is also important I don't know what sins with but don't put yourself in situations where you should not be, I.e I don't go around certain people because i know for a fact that drugs could be there I don't fool myself that i can be around that and not fall, I tried that and failed so stay away from situations and people who could trip you up. You brought up tongues be wary of people who speak it but don't do it the way we are instructed to in the bible it says 2 or 3 and most and only if someone is there to interpret. Next read the bible daily and pray for discernment. My wife and I are praying for you

You likely will disagree, but Romans 7 that tells us about Paul, the chapter was written in present tense but was in fact reflecting back to Paul's past. It was his testimony of what he was before receiving salvation on the road to Damascus. Before Paul had received salvation he did struggle. Before he was sanctified, again there was struggles internally. Only after Paul was saved from sin and was sanctified to remove his carnal nature did the struggle cease. Yes he was saved FROM sin or God could not have used him to preach as he did.

When I got saved, I had to follow the sinless path Jesus made for us by His example. I did so willingly as it was required by God. Both to be sin free or to remain in sin are choices. If you wanted to be free from sin, you could do so now. IF you get saved. Salvation is only complete and true if you stop sinning.

If you choose to believe you will sin until you die, I truly feel sorry for you. You have been sold a lie. So too has most of this world been sold the lie you cannot stop sinning. Most did not believe Jesus while He was on Earth, so why should it have changed much since.

You have made your choice to live what you believe and so have I. I choose to believe God that I must be saved from sin now. You choose not to believe Him. You have been given false teaching that you can't be free now.

OK that is all the comments I will offer. As mentioned, I will stand firm on what I said that I am free from sin because of applying the blood of Jesus through repentance, salvation, and sanctification. If you want to make Heaven your home, you must do the same. If you fall short of freedom from sin here, you cannot enter Heaven later.

How long did it take to build the ark ?

Mishael,

It may be that the book of Genesis is discussed every day on this web site is because people care about and are curious of the topics that are covered.

The first mention of the Messiah (Jesus, our Lord and Savior) is in Genesis 3:15, and contains the main reason why He was sent; to defeat death which is the Devil.

God did write a book explaining creation, it can be found in Genesis. It is our choice to believe it or not. What I can say for certain is that the Bible is not at odds with Archaeology. Nor is the Bible at odds with science; those issues are left for man, and usually come up between believers and non-believers. The book of Genesis and the Bible as a whole, reinforces Archaeology as well as all the rules of science.

There is no problem to anybody if YOU want to wait until you get to heaven to find out the things you are less interested in concerning Scripture. But why should you care if someone wants to talk about creation?

If the main topic you are concerned with is being born again, that topic is also discussed every day on this web site without any issue.

It seems as though a few of the "regulars" on this site feel the need to monitor and police the various comments; and then offer their righteous evaluation of other peoples' misinterpretations.

We all have a right to comment without condemnation....

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Hi David,

If you believe you're perfect and sinless like Jesus, that would be contrary to: Romans 3:10 and Romans 3:23.

Ephesians 4:32 - says be kind and tenderhearted and forgive others like Christ has forgiven you, but if you have to be 100% perfect as a Christian why would it say that? Are you suggesting that you've been 100% perfect and sinless since becoming a Christian? For example, you have never lied or quarreled or raised your voice at anyone and have always forgiven others for their sins?

If you believe you've been 100% perfect and sinless, which even Paul wasn't able to do, then aside from Jesus you're the first and only human to be perfectly sinless after becoming a Christian? Just as a warning this could be the sin of pride Proverbs 16:5 and 2 Timothy 3:2.

Matthew 5:48 - Jesus said to strive to be perfect and obey his commands John 14:15, but that doesn't mean you must be perfect to be saved. Ephesians 2:8. That also doesn't mean you have an excuse to sin intentionally.

Matthew 12:31 - Jesus clearly said only blasphemy of the holy spirit is the only sin that won't be forgiven. So, if your point is the NO sins are forgiven after you become a Christian then why would Jesus say this to everyone (including his Christian followers) that all sins ARE forgiven but this one?

Paul admits in Romans 7:15 that he deeply struggles with the flesh and sin. Does that mean you think the man who write the most books of the Bible and was the top evangelist for Christianity went to hell?

My belief is that you don't earn heaven by being perfect. You are saved by believing Jesus, confessing and repenting of your sin and actively following Jesus. You try to avoid sin to the absolute best of your ability, but it doesn't mean you'll be perfect. It in fact says we are all imperfect, but if we're genuinely following Jesus then we're covered by grace as we progress in our life as a Christian. It doesn't mean the grace erases sin, but we will be forgiven if we're a Christian following Jesus. Jesus shares a great parable about sin and forgiveness in Matthew 18.

Matthew 12:36-37 - Jesus sets the bar very, very high with every word you speak to others, your thoughts, and if you even look at a woman. Matthew 5:28. Am I supposed to believe your the first person since Jesus to ever do this perfectly and that you're 'earning' heaven? Congratulations, but I think you're in for a surprise, because that's not what the Bible says and above are just a few of the Bible verses that prove that. I'm offering this in kindness to offer a different perspective to a Christian brother. God bless.

Chris, Adam, and everyone else:

The comments I have made are based on truth and on the Bible. If you don't want to believe what I have said, that is your choice. Jesus did die to save us from sin here on Earth. This means we don't continue to sin after we've been saved. Sinning christians will not go to Heaven. By the way, Christian is mentioned 3 times in the New Testament. The title saint is used more than that in the Bible. Yes one that is saved from sin by the applying of the blood of Jesus is a saint through repentance, even here on Earth now.

So look at it this way, if you are right that we cannot stop sinning until the Judgement Day, you and I both will make it to Heaven. If however I am right and you needed to be sin free after salvation, you cannot enter but I would. Why don't you ask God honestly and sincerely to reveal where you are with Him now? Your actions do count for or against you for where you end up eternally.

Final thought; what is the difference in one that never repents of sin and one that claims salvation but sins still? Actually God sees these 2 as being in the same spiritual condition...lost. That is why I said the Old Testament sacrifice is considered by you as the same as Jesus, because He supposedly cannot save you from sin.

Yester Vue,

Interesting thoughts on the days of creation.

Many believe that the light that was upon the earth for the first three days of God's creative work was the light of God Himself. As the sun, moon, and stars, were not created by God until the fourth day.

Hello my brothers and sisters,

"But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use and persecute you."

"Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy."

"For with the same measure that ye mete with it shall be measured to you again."

"Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted."

"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

Praise the Lord! "In all thy ways acknowledge Him." God Bless!

That's fine Adam if you choose to believe falseness over truth. You, and all of us really, are in one of two categories, those that have repented and received salvation from sin, and stop sinning here on Earth by the power of Jesus, or those that continue to sin until the Judgement Day. You have been taught that you can be saved and sin, but whoever taught you that is a liar. If you cannot cease from sin with the blood of Jesus applied upon salvation, there was not any change in you. So the reference to the earlier thought some think the blood of Jesus and His sacrifice is the same as bulls and goats does in fact apply truthfully.

And as I told Chris, you will be reminded by God at Judgement Day you read the message a saint named David wrote warning you to consider your soul. Salvation and sanctification require you to be cleansed FROM sin, requiring sinful acts to cease. If you say you cannot stop sin here on Earth, you didn't find the right Jesus, the one that is the Son of God, who came to save from sin here, now.

So that's all there is, a warning to any reading this, Jesus came to Earth about 2,000 years ago, born of a virgin, to preach His gospel, to become the sacrificial Lamb of God, die on the cross to be the sacrifice that saves from sin as in Titus 2:11, 12 is referred to again, and to leave an example that living sin free is possible in His power.

Here's one other way to look at it. If you are in fact right and I'm not, we both still go to Heaven. But if it turns out I am right and you aren't, then you will not gain Heaven. Isn't it worth it to find out who is right?

Finally, what is wrong by living right? Or to live sin free now? And yes living sin free is available through the sacrifice of Jesus, and only through Him.

PS if all that continue to sin make Heaven their eternal home, what must one do to spend eternity in Hell? I dare you to ask God honestly to show you where you stand with Him now. And I also dare you to listen and obey Him.

Hi Chris,

Yes my comment was for you, specifically in the end of your comments where you say "And, we're not required to be 'sinless to enter Heaven': we are still saved & sanctified sinners who will be renewed in every way, outfitted for life in Eternity."

Repentance, salvation, and sanctification from sin through the blood of Jesus does not produce saved and sanctified sinners. Romans 12:1 refers to sanctification and says in part "ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God". Those guilty of committed sins are not the living sacrifice as sin makes one dead spiritually. A sinner is not holy nor acceptable.

Think all the way back to Genesis 2:17 where God warned Eve not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. In verse 4 of chapter 3 the serpent told Eve God was wrong and she'd not die. God was referring to the effects of son and that it does cause the soul to die. Satan as the serpent deceived Eve by turning God's words of warning to mean not dying physically.

Here is Titus 2:11, 12 "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;". The problem is you excuse sin, saying sin still is present in the saved, where God offers salvation from sin.

Matt. 1:21 Jesus was sent to save us from sin, not still in sin.

If you want true salvation, you will stop sinning after being saved. If you want a watered down false doctrine, feel free to think you are saved and sanctified yet still sin. But be warned, when you are at the Judgement before God, He will remind you a saint of God told you in this comment area that salvation requires you to stop the sin business. (See Matt. 25:31-46) If any stand before God with sin that is not repented of and are still committing sin, they cannot enter Heaven and will be separated from the sheep. And as a goat, be sent to Hell for eternal punishment.

Daniel my comment on Proverbs 10:22

Those who are following God's new commentment that's love one another they are called God's child who will get His blessing which makes them rich as per God's wish and He added no sorrows with it.

Why did sin not enter the world when Eve sinned?

Truly every thing was vanity , till i met christ , then my life begin , praise god. the beginning of wisdom is truly the fear of the lord.

How and where did Peter die?

Why did the demon possess man said Jesus I know Paul I know but who are you. sometimes I pray and fast and the situation remain same does that mean that it has link with acts 19

Well said and Holy. That was a great representation of Gods Words. We all fall short of the glory of God because we are not perfect and with sin. But we get better and try to be the best version of Christ everyday. This is called sanctification. People really need to understand this so more may come to Christ.

True. But for the Bible Gods word to be true, it is the way it is. They will have another chance when Jesus comes again. God Bless

Absolutely not. Your are right to call God Father, I am, and many different names. He is all. Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end.

This is not true! Only God knows your true heart. You are still a sinner even if you are saved. You are not God and therefore you can fall from grace. But your salvation is set and held in Gods hands eternally. Paul says we all fall short of the glory of God. You can have a person whom follows all the rules but without the acknowledgement of Christ as Lord and Saviour you will not see the Father. Read Romans

No one comes to the father but through me! Jesus. Once you except Christ into your heart you are Justified by his death. Then the road to learning with the Holy spirit is sanctification. You are saved from your sins past present and future period. All will far short of the Glory of God but once saved The Father (God Head) puts his hands over you and that's the end of it, you are his child! Can you still sin, yes if you dont listen to the Holy spirit. Jesus said to guard our minds. Jesus said this be cause he understood past present and future and knew we would struggle will sin in our minds. But a true Christian in true faith and relationship with Christ knows he can fall from grace. And this is why we are having this conversation so that we reinforce Gods words. If you do not have on the full armored of God how can you be perfect? You cant because most of us know we are saved because we have on the helmet of salvation but we are running around naked without the other parts of the armor that make us whole. Evan as we are saved we sin and those who say they are true Christains without sin, are not saved at all. To walk in Jesus's footsteps is to have relationship with God but to be him is impossible. Remember Jesus said we are little Gods with a small G. Dont doubt your salvation because you are not perfect or may fall from grace (sin), but instead doubt your imperfection cant get better to be more like Jesus. GOD BLESS! Jesus came to save us by dying on the cross, so that we may be saved from the raptor of certain death. Our job is to sow and grow the crops through the Gospel, dont worry about the benefits, give the Glory to God, for that is what we will be judged for, not for our sins. So give the Glory to God in everything you do. From the time you get up till the time your lie down and know that he knows your needs, and He The Father loves you greatly. Love in your hearts!

Love God He's good to he has been good to me since 13 years of life thank God

I mean no offense. In both of these comment rooms past history, are close to 200 pages that are able to be read by everybody.

Genesis has been discussed almost every day. Plenty of good reading available!!!

There are some scriptures that can be interpreted as Pre-Adamic. I think personally, that if The Godhead wanted to fully reveal Bible vs Archaeology plus science; God would have written a Book in the Bible about it. He didn't. We must accept His reasons.

The Entire Bible is about Jesus Christ: Beginning to the Ending. I CAN wait till I get to heaven to attend that class on the mysteries of creation to Revelation.

What does any of that have to do with someone being born again; trusting in Jesus to save their souls And take them to heaven??

The Gospel is about the Son of God. He is known as the Son of Man. That is who we are to Follow. Clearly, God loves all the sciences! He left plenty for us to discover and investigate; find and show to others. He made ALL of this. That's what Romans 1 is all about.

We are to rest in the LOVE of the Savior of mankind: believe in him, trust in him and be born again so we can go where He is. He knows you have questions. Learn patience and you will surely get all the answers to your questions.

In my personal experience, if I have a question: I ask the Holy Spirit and He answers them. It takes RELATIONSHIP to hear His Voice. I was dum as a sheep until I got completely wrapped up in the Holy Spirit. Every day, reading my Bible, being still before His Presence; and asking a million questions.... I fall deeper in love with Him every day!!

Do we fail and disappoint the people we live with (sorta like sin?) We have to apologize immediately so we can go on to other things without grudge bearing. Relationship goes through rocks sometimes. Climb over and get to the good stuff.

Mishael

This Psalm states God's hedge of protection and his love for us. Its very helpful for me to trust.

Paul prays that God will fill the Roman church with joy, peace, and hope (15:13)

I am rejoicing, ever rejoicing,

Trusting and hoping all the day long;

Looking to Jesus, only to Jesus;

He is my refuge, comfort and song.

What the Lord is saying, is that all shall know him through his death as the new covenant and not that of the old. But by only the death of Jesus shall anyone have a relationship with the father. Not by old ways and works. God Bless!

Alexander, I'm unsure what aspect(s) of Psalm 99:6-9 you are wanting discussion on, but will write on a couple of verses.

Verse 7: God spoke to the children of Israel while on their journey out of Egypt into the land of Canaan in many ways & specifically the verse mentions "in the cloudy pillar". This 'cloudy pillar' of course was the means that God used to guide Israel on their journey in the daytime (the pillar of fire at night). But when Israel stopped to camp, the pillar remained at the Tabernacle door ( Exodus 33:10). This then is the reference made in the Psalm that "God spake to them in the cloudy pillar" as God communicated His Word to Moses & Aaron via the cloudy pillar that stood there.

Verse 8: The word, "Them" refers is to the children of Israel, not to Moses & Aaron (though Aaron & Miriam were also guilty, with Miriam turning leprous). The Psalmist says that God was a God who forgave them (their sins), but also a God Who took vengeance on their inventions. The Hebrew word for 'inventions' speaks of the 'deeds' of Israel during their march, particularly their evil deeds & shameful actions. We know how they wanted a molten calf to represent God ( Ex 32:4), their complaints about food & water, no meat when God gave them manna, against Moses, etc. And God was displeased with them for their complaining & obstinacy (read Psalm 78 to get a fuller picture of these events).