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1. I do believe the Corona Virus was made by mankind, and then gotten released by the Chinese Communist Party leaders and there is no honest reporting in how the corona Virus was released accidental. The matter was released, covered from the world, and even the World Health Organization covered for the C.C.P. leaders. Where did this Corona Virus come from, what countries had the Corona Virus, was this Corona Virus part of Bio-chemical Research Warfare or released to find or do a cure research? The rich and Pharmacy Market are going to profit by getting a successful cure. The C.C.P. had this type of Corona Virus secretly, and in due time it was accidental released with no official civil or legal consequences. This Corona Virus spread world wide, millions have died by a accidental release, the Globalist must be happy the world's population has gone down somewhat. Maybe the Globalist will use Biochemical to depopulate systematic. There are yet 7 vials, bowls or judgements or plagues to come upon this earth ending in Rev..16:17-21; 2. It is written brethren can only be righteous still or holy still in Rev.22:11; I have never met a holy Christian that claim he or she was perfect, and did not sin anymore. I have heard some Christian talk about love a lot, but they do not love in word or deed. They claim to love God, but they do not obey God. You would think someone that sinned much would love or obey God more.-read Luke 7:40-47; They love to sing songs of love, but they also sing foolish songs or songs that make no sense. Like the words in the song, Friend of Jesus or Friendship with Jesus. People meet in church, in a darken room, with dim lights, shaken their heads with their hair following their head shaken in the same direction. It is like you are in a dim light rock and roll concert, people moving to the flow of the fast music.

The translation of King James Bibles are so amazing I can't believe it's so wonderful The Maccabees Bible the ecclesiasticus Bible and other Bibles of King James there's no reason for no one to be lost of the word one just must apply his heart and the mind too frequent studies".

The very first of the morning and the evening sacrifice? From the laying of the wood, placement of that very first morning offering. What was the routine? Whence came the fire? Did it descend from heaven? Was the Priest required to keep the fire stoked so as to receive the evening sacrifice??

I've tried to search for an answer but no luck so far. It isn't complicated, I'm interested for the moment in the dates at the bottom of the page directly below the centre margin with all the reference notes in my KJ version 1839 reprinted in 1949 (with helps).

Are the dates shown in the New Testament e.g. such as 4 B.C. or 32 A.D. an approximation or is there verification somewhere about how they were authenticated?

Please pray for our (my fiance and I) financial provision for the wedding.

Pray for our mission field to work permanently

Thank you

? I understand not. To do or not to do. That is the question. Kind of like that famous quote: to be or not to be, that is the question.

Names that refer to God (Devine) should have at least the first letter in capital.

Please keep praying for my Grandma and Grandpa. Pray that their health improves and they'll be well. Pray for our Pastor also. He's having a little sick spell. Just pray for good health. Keep praying for me also and that I put all my faith in GOD. Please just send thoughts and prayers our way my family really appreciates it and are very greatful. THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS

Therefore, I bind up the spirit of Jezebel in the heavenlies. I bind up Jezebel with chains from heaven, and I loose God's holy warrior angels to battle on our behalf.

Father, send forth your angels from heaven to help cast out this demonic spirit. There is no throne for you Jezebel. I take away & destroy all false idols and all sacrifices destroying the sanctity of marriage.

I come in the name of Jesus, the Lord of Hosts.The Lord says He will toss you into a bed & burn you with fire. I pour the Blood of Jesus all over you for it cleanses, purifies and sets the captives free.

I war against this spirits' intimidation & control to set all captives free.

I declare in faith that every chain on every captive that this spirit has is destroyed and broken.

I break & smash the power, manipulation, lies, denial, and deception caused by the spirit of Jezebel.

I rebuke all spirits of false teaching & false prophecy connected to Jezebel.

I pray for spouses to be delivered from pride, infatuation, seduction, lust, perversion, rebellion, selfishness, fornication, adultery, whoredom, and witchcraft plotted against them by the spirit of Jezebel.

I pray for husbands & wives to be delivered from sexual sin, immorality, and idolatry.

I bind up the powers of the witch and seal them.

I pray that the wickedness of Jezebel be revealed to whole world. I pray that all corruption, destruction, nakedness and shame caused by Jezebel be exposed!

I recognize that wayward men & women covertly operate in a Jezebel spirit.

I recognize that this spirit torments men's souls and that the battle is not with our spouses. I renounce & remove the spirit of Jezebel from the throne of men's hearts.

I pray restoration for marriages, in the name of Jesus. I declare freedom, deliverance, HEALING, joy, and peace for all captives, in the mighty name of Jesus.

I claim this victory through the Blood of the Lamb and by the Word of God. I rejoice with thanksgiving to God. Thank you Jesus!!

About how many people are going the heaven and hell

9. Curse of cancer

10. Schizophrenia

11. Curse of divorce

12. Curse of male & female domination

13. Incest

14. Blasphemy

15. Curse of loss of children

16. Loss of marriage partner

17. Curse of disasters and evil

18. Loneliness and desolation

19. Curse of witchcraft

20. Curse of persecution

I pray that You will change each one of these curses to blessings in my ancestor's, my own, and my descendant's lives, in the name of Jesus. In the name of Jesus Christ, I now bind and rebuke the spirit of Jezebel from my life.

I speak destruction over the altars where the spirit of Jezebel received worship in my life, and I erect an altar there for God. It is written:

"David built there an altar to the Lord and offered burnt offerings and peace offerings. So the Lord heeded the prayers for the land, and Israel's plague was stayed." ( 2 Sam 22:25)

The stronghold in my life where Jezebel has lived is now destroyed and a throne for Christ Jesus erected there. In the name of Jesus Christ, I now speak withering and death over all fruits of manipulation through the spirit of witchcraft in my life.

Father remove all leaven that caused me to walk under the control of this spirit, from my habits of thinking, my will, emotions and body. Father, in Jesus precious name, I pray that the Spirit of Elijah will rise up within me to expose the spirit of Jezebel in the Body of Christ. I pray Father, that the hearts of the fathers will be turned towards the children according to Malachi 4:5,6.

I pray that the disobedient will be turned towards the wisdom of the righteous - that You will enable me to outwork Godly principles to handle problems in my life. I pray that more and more spiritual fathers and mothers will come forth out of our midst to show the way and to take Your children by the hand and to lead them on paths of righteousness. I stand against you in Jesus name! It is written in the Word of God that whatsoever I bind on earth shall be bound in heaven.

4. INTIMIDATION and MANIPULATION between you and your seat in (person's name)

I now take the Sword of the Spirit and I sever this cord of domination, intimidation and manipulation, in the Almighty name of Jesus! It is written in:

John 10:2-5: "But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. The watchman opens the door for this man, and the sheep listen to his voice and heed it; and he calls his own sheep by name and brings them out. When he has brought his own sheep outside, he walks on before them, and the sheep follow him because they know his voice. They will never follow a stranger, but will run away from him because they do not know the voice of strangers or recognize their call."

5. I now address you, Jezebel in the spiritual realm, and I declare that I recognize that cord of FALSE RELIGION between you and your seat in my life or in___________life.

I now take the Sword of the Spirit and I sever this cord of false religion in the Almighty name of Jesus! It is written in:

"God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth." ( John 4:24)

Father, in the name of Jesus Christ Your Son, I now declare:

A divorce with the spirit of Jezebel

A cancellation of all worship she ever received through me, my ancestors or descendants

Nullification of any and every covenant ever made with her

Renunciation of the Ahab spirit

In the authority of the mame of Jesus Christ, I now take this seat in myself and hand it over to the Kingdom of God.

Father, in Jesus name I ask that You will remove the following curses and results due to my ancestors' and my own involvement with this Jezebel spirit's activities:

1. Curse of a bed of anguish and suffering

2. Downheartedness

3. Curse of the utmost judgement

4. Curse of death (Rev.2:22,23)

5. Curse of humiliation and nakedness

6. Curse of slavery

7. Curse of senility

8. Curse of homosexuality and lesbianism

Max, that's an interesting thought you shared. We aren't told how much or what type of Knowledge of Good & Evil that Tree in Eden possessed.

Gen 2:16,17: "And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

Given this direct commandment & explanation from the LORD, I think that it is safe to understand that God wanted to keep Adam & Eve focused on a couple of things: firstly, to strictly obey His Word under all circumstances in spite of the tasty tantalising fruit before them on the tree. And secondly, and as a result of disobedience, sin would enter into them & they would lose their innocency by knowing both to do good & to do evil - features that were not evident before they sinned since they were created in God's Image in all purity & holiness. So IF 'someone' came to them before their Fall into sin, & talked about committing sin & going against God's Directive, I sense that they would have no understanding of this, as all they knew was according to the holy connection they had with God. We know that the Serpent, the Devil, did come to them, but his thrust was not for them to sin & rebel against God, but to give them a convincing reason why the fruit was a necessity for them. Disobedience & eating that fruit opened up the way to gain that knowledge - a product of Sin. And so for us too, a convincing argument for us to sin is all we need to do so.

Therefore, I don't think that to procreate, to talk, to eat, to sleep, commune with the animals, etc. were anything outside what God had enabled them to do in their unfallen state. But when they tried to hide from God, & likely other actions that the Bible does not detail, proves that sin entered them & they had the ability to know the difference between good & evil & also sense conviction of heart as a result.

1. I now address you, Jezebel in the spiritual realm, and I declare that I recognize that cord of occultic powers between you and your seat in (person's name)

I now take the Sword of the Spirit and I sever this cord of OCCULTIC POWERS in the Almighty name of Jesus Christ!

It is written in 2 Sam 22:32-37: "For Who is God but the Lord? And Who is a Rock except our God? God is my strong Fortress; He guides the blameless in His way and sets him free. He makes my feet like the hinds'; He sets me secure and confident upon the heights. He trains my hands for war, so that my arms can bend a bow of bronze. You have also given me the shield of Your salvation; and Your condescension and gentleness have made me great. You have enlarged my steps under me, so that my feet have not slipped."

I now take the Sword of the Spirit and I sever this cord of COMPROMISE in the Almighty name of Jesus!

It is written in Acts 24:14: "But this I confess to you, however, that in accordance with the Way, which they call a sect, I worship the God of our fathers, still persuaded of the truth of and believing in and placing full confidence in everything laid down in the Law of Moses or written in the prophets."

"And He replied to him, you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind." ( Matt. 22:37)

3. I now address you, Jezebel in the spiritual realm, and I declare that I recognize that cord of IMMORALITY - IDOLATRY - between you and your seat in (person's name)

I now take the Sword of the Spirit and I sever this cord of immorality in the Almighty name of Jesus! It is written in:

Rev.19:7: "Let us rejoice and shout for joy! Let us celebrate and ascribe to Him glory and honour, for the marriage of the Lamb at last has come, and His bride has prepared herself."

4. I now address you, Jezebel in the spiritual realm, and I declare that I recognize that cord of DOMINATION, INTIMIDATION and MANIPULATION between >

Pray this over your entire situation, every day. Ask God to protect you with mighty angelic support. Go to the link on this website "Become a Christian" and follow it, pray it. It's in the red area where you click the link to come in here.

Write this prayer down.

PRAYER AGAINST THE JEZEBEL SPIRIT

"Heavenly Father, thank You for the authority to battle against the controlling powers of witchcraft, that attack me. In JESUS NAME, I bind every negative,unscriptural word spokenagainst my life. I break the power of confusion, torment, fear, control and manipulation. I take captive every vain imagination and high thought that is contrary to the word of GOD in my life.

I submit my will, thoughts and life to the LORDSHIP OF CHRIST JESUS and plead the BLOOD OF JESUS over my mind, commanding stability and order to prevail in my soul.

I break the power of witchcraft'sdeception, seduction, bondage of drugs, alcohol and sorcery and intimidation,knowing that at the name of JESUS every knee must bow.

I decree freedom from dark powers,Jezebel,false prophetic words, controllers, manipulators,soothsayers, sorcerers, witches, counterfeits, soul ties, spiritual folly,lying spirits,lying dreams and visions.

I REPENT of sin, both known and unknown, and submit myself thoroughly to the LORDSHIP OF JESUS CHRIST and HIS WORD.

I clothe myself with GOD'S ARMOR and take up the weapons of my warfare that are not carnal, but mighty in the pulling down of strongholds.

I dedicate myself to the WILL OF JESUS CHRIST.

I REPENT of rebellion,pride, arrogance, spiritualism, control,manipulation, vain desires, and disrespecting the five-fold ascension gifts and my leaders.

I RENOUNCE wrong associations, carrying witchcraft's message, false motives and hidden agendas.

LORD, YOUR WORD SAYS, "If I confess my sins YOU are faithful and just to forgive me of my sins and cleanse me of all unrighteousness."

Call the police and see if you and your daughter can get a restraining order. Does her Dad have to sign it too?

Maybe she can move back with you. And the you get a restraining order. Keep the police on speed dial and have the Case number by the phone.

I'm presuming she's not saved, so you will have to ask God if he would send angels to be with her until things can be resolved.

God cares for us, so keep your mother radar turned up on high alert. It would be helpful if a neighbor near their house would call you when she sees boyfriends car in the driveway.

If you need help with that restraining order, contact Legal Aid in your area.

Keep praying for her to receive Jesus. You may have to pray with her.

Find the link in the area where you click to come in here. Look for: Become A Christian.

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Therefore, I believe we can & do commit crimes against the laws of the Land & we have to pay for it, but I also am certain that believers, whose sins have been nailed to the Cross, are still well able to sin against God unable or not wishing to fully crucify the flesh, which Paul urged us to do. Isn't that why the apostle Paul himself was in spiritual & mental anguish when he exclaimed: "O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin." And of course he said this as he talked about his sin nature (the flesh), that was ever existent that urged him to sin (all of Romans 7). We can never negate the presence of sin, of its appearance in our lives, & our need to confess them & turn from it. The Word is replete with Scriptures for us under the New Covenant to not let "sin have dominion over us".

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So the above clearly shows that it wasn't crimes against Roman law that saw Jesus in front of Herod & Pilate, but from false accusations from the Sanhedrin. Of course, Pilate was culpable also by giving in to their demands & believing that he could absolve himself from this evil act (v24). On the other hand, should Jesus have conspired against Rome by inciting its citizens against their govt., then of course, Rome had every right to accuse Jesus of a crime & to face its consequences. And that 'crime' would have broken Covenant Law as well (probably the 6th Commandment) as the agitated & frenzied citizens would have reason to slaughter their Roman leaders.

And one more thing, if I may: "Everyone that has been freed (from) the Covenant Law, which is the Law of Sin and Death, has been freed via their belief that they were freed at the cross and that "sin" no longer applies to them...". I heartily agree with your statement that believers are no longer bound to the Covenant Law which only revealed sin & brought resulting death (as I've shared elsewhere on this Site & received strong rebuttals), but has this freedom, through the Cross, meant that "sin no applies to them"? Again, as much as I appreciate a good presentation, I beg to differ. I realize that your statement hinges on Covenant Law being inferior to the Law of the Spirit of Life. And so it is, for that was God's Intention. However, as much as the Cross of Christ has now "made us free from the Law of Sin & Death" ( Rom 8:2), it is freedom from the hopelessness of forgiveness, of any restitution or recovery from that Old Law, that Christ's Sacrifice fully accomplished at the Cross. The Old Law was perfect in every way, as given by the LORD, but in finding full, eternal redemption it could never do, thus the need of a better sacrifice ( Heb 9:23; 7:19,22; 8:6).

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Hi Lynn, I've been following your various comments & they have been very interesting, yet different - and the one you've shared here is no exception.

You said, "Jesus could not be crucified according to the Covenant Law because he had done nothing worthy of sin so the Jews had him crucified under Roman Law". I agree that Covenant Law was kept perfectly by Jesus proving His sinlessness, but wasn't the Sanhedrin's accusations against Jesus based on that Covenant Law, even though they themselves were misguided by not looking 'deeply' into & understanding God's Holy Requirements? All they saw in Jesus & His ministry was a 'breaking' or departure from God's Law so that they could justify their accusations against Him & keep their own positions & power over the people secure.

They accused Him of violating the Sabbath Law (by healing on the Sabbath), threatening to destroy the Jewish Temple, of sorcery, exorcising people by the power of demons, & claiming to be both the Messiah and the Son of God, etc. The Roman govt. thought these charges against Him were of little consequence to them & just violations of Jewish customs: "And Pilate, when he had called together the chief priests and the rulers and the people said unto them, Ye have brought this man unto me, as one that perverteth the people: and, behold, I, having examined him before you, have found no fault in this man touching those things whereof ye accuse him: No, nor yet Herod: for I sent you to him; and, lo, nothing worthy of death is done unto him." Lk 23:13-15.

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"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9

Pray this prayer with sincerity of heart

"Dear God, I believe in you and that your Son, Jesus Christ, is Lord. I believe in His sacrifice for my sins and His resurrection from the dead. I repent and ask forgiveness for my sins and I'm deciding now to follow you. Please, come into my life through the gift of your Holy Spirit. It is in the Lord Jesus' name that I ask and receive, Amen."

The Bible says doing these things with sincerity means you are a Christian (Christ follower) and will have eternal life in heaven.

"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." 1 John 5:13

Use caution in trusting your feelings, as feelings change. Stand on God's promises- they never change.

Now is a good time to repent of things you have done. Get everything under the shed blood of Jesus. He's paid for all of your sins. Be straight with him. He knows everything we've done.

Ask him to send you some angels to keep you safe from the enemies of your soul. Block people on your phone who will try to tempt you to return to your old lifestyle. Ask God to bring you some new. Christian friends.

You are going to have to testify to old friends that you have been born again and are now a follower of Jesus. Don't let them laugh you out of your promise.

You're going to have spiritual warfare, so read your Bible every day. Start with Ephesians 6. Stay in Matthew through to 1,2,3rd John near the back. Speak it as you read it: it will stick in all 3 gates: eyes, ears, mouth.

Pray as if we were talking. Your own thoughts. Ask for and receive what you ask for. Believe you have it. The Holy Spirit is with you now. John 16&17.

Hit the REPLY button to email me. You're on my prayer list.

Please pray for my family for the Lord to Love and protect us from the evil one.

How to become a follower of Jesus Christ (Christian)

If you feel compelled to take your first step towards God, you can do that right now wherever you are.

1. Acknowledge the Problem: We have all sinned, and that sin separates us from God

No matter how good you think you are, no matter how many good things you try to do, it is still not good enough to get into heaven; it can't be earned but is a gift.

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23

"And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness; all these evil things come from within, and defile the man." Mark 7:20-23

2. Discover the Solution: Jesus

The only way for God to bridge the gap between Himself and us is through His Son, Jesus Christ. His death was a substitute for us; He paid the penalty for our sins.

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16

"For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God." I Peter 3:18

"Neither is there salvation in any other; for there is no other name under Heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Acts 4:12

3. Respond: Believe, Repent, Confess, Accept Jesus as Lord and Savior

To be saved, we must believe that Jesus is Lord and believe that He died for our sins. This confession acknowledges before God that we are unable to attain righteousness on our own and that we accept His plan for our lives.

Hi Lynn,

I noticed you didn't cite any Bible verses to back up your belief, so where does this belief come from? Did a church pastor tell you this or how did you come to such a conclusion that "If a person kills/murders another deliberately, that is a crime, not a sin... "

Is God ok with ALL sin then? Fornication or adultery is not illegal, so if someone wants to commit that tonight, are you saying that God is ok with that and it isn't a sin? If so, where in the Bible does it support this idea?

As you may know, Satan is the father of lies. He deceives people, including Christians to get people to justify sin and turn from Jesus. So, one of us is incorrect, because truth is not relative. There's only 1 truth. So, if Satan deceived one of us, which is more likely, that satan would deceive a Christian into being more obedient to God than he needs to (how awful), or that satan deceives a Christian into believing that sin is ok, and good, and there's nothing wrong with following the world and committing evil, because it's already forgiven. Which of those 2 things is most likely satan's choice to deceive a Christian?

I have prayed about this and 100% disagree with what you said, have a mountain of scripture to back it up, and have prayed and asked God to know the truth and I believe with all my heart that murder is a sin, fornication is sin, adultery is a sin, cursing is sin. The 2 greatest commandments from Jesus you claimed that 'replaced' the moral law did replace it, but added to it and made it even MORE restrictive and HARDER to follow. Example Matthew 5:28.Let me ask this- are you 100% following Jesus's 2 commands? How do you know if you're truly loving God with all your heart, soul and mind? Wouldn't obeying God's law and avoiding sin be a part of loving Him? 1 John 1:8, John 8:34. How about loving your neighbor as yourself. Have you done this 100% perfectly all your life? If you are without sin then are you better than Jesus? 1 John 4:20, Romans 3:23.

The text mentioned here Ro.3:10 is misquoting the Hebrew scriptures. In fact paul is removing words from the Hebrew scriptures and adding his own words.

Ro. 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 12They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. 13Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

Psa 14:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.

3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

there is no mention of a "righteous" person in the first 3 verses of Psa. 14. IF you were to read this in its CONTEXT you will see that this chapter is talking about "FOOLISH PEOPLE". Its NOT stating that there are no righteous people on earth, for I can give you close to 100 passages that show there are, but that there is no good in the FOOL that has said in his heart, "There is no GOD".

read it like this,

Psa 14:1 "The fool" hath said in his heart, There is no God. They "The fool" are corrupt, they "The fool" have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good."The fool"

2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men "The fool", to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.

3 They "The fool" are all gone aside, they "The fool" are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. "The fool"

IF there were no righteous men why did the writer write the words of verse 5?

Psa 14:5 There were they "the fool" in great fear: for God is in >>>the generation of the righteous.

A man named William Cudo who I thought was my friend did some really wicked things to me without my consent and permission and I don't know how to confront the situation I also believe it was sexually and was recorded however, I'm not sure I need my prayer warriors to keep me lifted in prayer. Amen!

My name is Christin Anthony Williams and I have been dealing with lust and doubt. I am a homosexual and I was diagnosed with aids. By the grace of God I was healed however, I am conflicted by my sinful actions and I want to loose my spirit and walk in the ways of Christ.

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So, as with the Revelation given to John, which was replete with imagery, Paul doubtless also received God's special Words to His Church that aligned perfectly with what was proclaimed under the Old Covenant to Israel (of which he was well acquainted). And those words & empowered in their delivery, no doubt were especially veiled in some areas (as said above), but given full disclosure in others. And the reason for that now, must be for our learning & continual hunger to resort to the Scriptures & being cast upon His Wisdom, so that in time, we may no longer see "it all darkly (veiled & incomplete) but to await the time when all will be revealed".

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I wholeheartedly agree with you Spike that things would have been a lot simpler & cause less confusion & unnecessary debate if there were clear, itemized explanations of certain doctrines or teachings. Even with the matter of the Rapture/Second Coming of Christ. We know that this is yet to happen in the future but only a clear list of events in timely progression would have alleviated all (well maybe, not all), doubts & disputes. Or, as you quoted 1 Cor 13:12 which amplifies what was written in the preceding verses: why didn't Paul clearly explain what "that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away" means, rather than leave us guessing what the "that which is perfect" is. Many have offered their opinions & all are worthy for consideration, but since it's not been made clear to us, then we will remain guessing. And I note, that you have well observed that these 'vague' expressions or verses that we find in the Word, may well be for our 'further investigation' & continual hunger & resorting to the Scriptures.

Also, I feel that Paul, in his time with the Lord in the 'deserts' of Arabia: "But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace, to reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood: neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus" Gal 1:15-17, indicates in such few words that the time there was a time of special intervention & ministry from the Risen Christ to the spiritually Renewed & Refreshed Paul. What he must have learned at the Feet of Jesus out there, one can hardly imagine, except what we read in his many letters to the Churches.

Hello Adam, Clearly you misinterpreted what I said.. :) I said, there is a difference between Sin and Crime... The only way one can become a sinner is to be party with God to the Covenant Law that God gave to Moses to give to the Israelites. If one believes that Covenant Law applies to them in any way it means they still need a Savior to be freed from that Covenant Law which is also called the Law of Sin and Death....

Crime has to do with the law of the land in which one lives... If one breaks the law of the land, they become a criminal not a sinner because they would be party to the gov't of that land in which they live.

And no this in no way whatsoever means one can deliberately kill anyone and get away with it... No one will get away with deliberate murder whether they are party with God to the Covenant Law or whether they are party to the gov't's law of the land...

For ex: I was freed from the Covenant Law that I believed applied to me that continually had me believing I was a sinner and that I always must be doing something to please God for everything I thought I had done wrong.

Once freed from the Covenant Law I am still subject to the law of the land in which I live... However, I have no desire whatsoever to break the laws of the land so not worried about becoming a criminal, but IF I ever should break the law of the land I will pay the penalty for whatever I do wrong in the eyes of the law of the land... That still does not make me a sinner because I was freed from being a sinner at the cross... I would simply be a criminal...

When Paul said sin dwelled in him. or something to effect, what Paul was meaning was the "knowledge of sin" dwells within him... It was far more difficult for Paul being as he was an Israelite and had lived under Covenant Law all his life... Lynn :)

Sheila, the passage about the Seventh Seal ( Rev 8:1) involves the Seven Angels with the Seven Trumpets sounding. As you know, all this is a description of the time when God's Wrath (the Great Tribulation) is to come upon the unbelieving world. In Rev 9:1, it's the turn of the Fifth Angel of the Seven, to sound his trumpet & a part of this outpouring of God's Anger, unbelievers are to physically suffer a most horrible agony as when a scorpion strikes a man (v5).

So to have all this happen, the key to the bottomless pit is used to release these demons that are directed to give extreme pain & suffering to those who are not sealed by God. I don't believe that a demon is given the key to open the pit & release the demons, but an angel from God. And Abaddon/Apollyon is the 'king' angel from the Pit (i.e. a satanic angel) who may be instrumental in leading out the legions of demons to accomplish their devastating task on the Earth. So he & they are evil, but God can & does use evil spirits, people, & kingdoms to accomplish His Purposes.

Yet, it's noteworthy that those with the 'seal of God on their foreheads' are to be spared (v4). Christians are not here at this time, as they have been removed to Heaven long before; and Christians are sealed, not on their foreheads, but in their spirits by the Holy Spirit: "ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory." So who are these left on the Earth that have God's Seal on their foreheads? They could be the Elect from Israel who never turned to Christ for their salvation but yet are to be saved through recognizing their Saviour when He returns again & figure in the Millennium reign of Christ on the Earth.