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Romans 2:25,

"For circumcision (also spiritual circumcision which is new birth) verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision."

Romans 2:13,

"For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified."

Romans 2:5-10,

5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the

righteous judgment of God;

6 Who(God) will render to every man according to his deeds:

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

i Oseas

You are right that the Person of the Holy Spirit is one of the three DISTINCTS Persons that consist God.

Firstly we must say that God doesn't have a name like humans, say John, George, Michael... God's names have descriptive purposes. God, by using names revealed some of his characteristics to us, ie Lord of the powers, the self existing God, the almighty God etc etc. In the New Testament a new name has been revealed to us. That name is Father. He has become our Father now and we have become His children, when we accept Him through His Son Jesus Christ.

So the first person's name is Father. The second person is called the Word, since He is the person that brought the word of God to people. He is also called the Son, because it is the person that was born as a man. His HUMAN name is Jesus(which means God is salvation giving with that name the purpose of His ministry on earth) Christ (grk for the annointed one).

The third person is The Holly Spirit. He is also called the helper, the advocator, the intercessor, etc giving in this way details of His ministry on earth. After Jesus left our world physically the Holly Spirit took in charge in the church. He also comes inside the body of believers to help us aquire a character similar to God's and avoid the dominion of sin over us.

So we have 3 persons in one God, who have played and still play a distinctive role in the salvation of mankind. There isn't a person who is superior than the others, just their work, ministry is different. In this way the whole Godhead takes part in that magnificent work of our salvation. All 3 persons are completely similar to one another, they are all light, truth, love, righteouness ... They think the same, feel the same, act the same, everything they do is done together. They are not independent from the one other, they are one, one onside the others. We don't know much about the Godhead, how, what, when, so we must go with faith, just accept it as it written. This is how I know it.

Ge.2:8-9 "The Garden"

"And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, "

The Spirit creates a spiritual space a Garden where every tree is grown with a specific purpose. This is is harmony with the blessings of God, and we read in this epistle that divine blessings cover total man,- body spirit and soul of man. "Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth."( 3 John 1:2) Only Spirit of God can address soul since He made man a living soul.

He creates the spirit as a candle (Pr.20:27). Above all the word is like a surgeon's scalpels lays bare his thoughts inclinations and state of being. "and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart./ Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do." He.4:12-13) How can not a man prosper with His blessings? His mercy works with the spiritual space of man like a threefold cord and he is secure. No wonder one can read the Bible through his lifetime and find comfort and consolation,- and his Presence is cure for all.

Not so with literary space. The hucksters who create a best seller list wants profits so they ratchet up a media frenzy to draw in suckers who after reading would want another one to cater to his inflamed senses. The writers who have no integrity immediately set to cater to the public tase and are feted as a nine day wonder. Publication of Ulysses and Lady Chatterly's Love in their day created an uproar. But now bestiality and violence create readers who crave more titillation. What gives?

Ge.2:4-6 "In the day"

"And there was not a man to till the ground./But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground"

The Spirit is creating a spiritual space as an author does with words. However fantastical the subject matter is the author employs words as bricks and the reader suspends his disbelief in order to enter therein. The Spirit is here presenting a spiritual space. What God demands from you is no different than what you wholeheartedly give to a human author, say Dean Swift writing Gulliver's travel adventures. Does anyone pick a quarrel with him because no such kingdom of Lilliput exists? Why on earth a rational man would deny God the same benefit of doubt? Before approaching the God document the rule for a believer is simple: first know your enemy. He simply pulls wool over you lest you should know the truth and make you free of Satan the father of lies. "But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: [4] In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."(2 Co.4:3-4)

God blessed man (1:28) Be fruitful is part of it and subdue it is what the Son signifies. God blesses man in his Son. It is what we read in John 15:1-5 The true Vine discourse of Jesus, "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it:" This is not what find we at present. Man claims his reason be all. If so what worth is his rational faculties without God?

The earth abides forever because the fulness in Son creates blessedness in all things, body spirit and soul and it is what we shall examine now.

Thank You LORD for reminding us of the possibilities for those who forsake and neglect the righteousness the LORD; and for those who adhere and are stead fast to YOUR commandments!

May we take up the "mantle of Elijah" and pray as directed by YOUR word for our country, the peace of Jerusalem and especially the lost souls who have been blinded by the god of this world.

GOD to shine HIS face on all who eagerly await HIS return and bless us gloriously. May the LORD'S hand be evident in the lives of the saints.

Take heart believers, GOD'S promises always comes to pass! Let us put on the amour of the LORD and be prayed up, and stand up "...wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked." Eph 6: 11-18

Let us study and be ready to give an answer to every man who ask us for the reason for the hope we exhibit in our lives as we walk in the Spirit of the LORD GOD.

1 Peter 3:15; Galatians 5:16

May we read, study, and meditate in order to be sanctified in the LORD JESUS CHRIST; and avail ourselves to the leading of the HOLY GHOST, within us, to the opportunities of witness, service and praise to our GOD.

Happy up-coming holidays, brethren!

September 22, 2023

Hello Jesse

Greetings in Christ JESUS

Unfortunately the translation has caused centuries of a great confusion about the identification of the Holy Spirit who is not a "ghost" or "Ghost", but a person, and as a person he is the lesser among the three- John 15:26 combined with John 16:12-15.

I must say that the person of Holy Spirit does not accept being called by this undesirable, unpleasant, inconvenient nickname, in fact such translation sounds as a mockery, it's terrible, very terrible.

Hope that GOD forgives the author(s) of such translation that has caused great and secular confusion for centuries, I should believe that this was not the translators' intention, of course.

This specific trnslation was/ is not good. Times ago I had a short debate about it in the site denominated "purebible".

God bless

Friend;

Lev 26:15-21 God is speaking to His people, the history of the children of Israel full of this. 2 Chronicles 7:14 Jeremiah 3:22 Hosea 6:1,2

Christ brings this into the NT John 12:40 Acts 28:27

Hebrews 12:5-11 speaking of His children

He does this in His merciful lovingkindness to us, we being so blinded by the deceitfulness of sin, it must be scourge out, define as "to flog" lit or fig, God as a father chastising and training men as children by affliction,

Chastisement; Education or training; by implication, disciplinary correction, chastening, instruction, nurture.

There's two kinds of fear, & many manifestations of each, all grounded in one of the two, godly fear which foundation is grounded in obedient reverential love for God.

The other, Satan counter part, grounded in disobedience which brings torment, where condemnation & guilt in one's own heart follows them wherever they go, for they have offended the Holy God; they having continue in disobedience to the Grace of God which appears in their hearts.

God's love in chastising correction, cast this fear & torment out

& why? John 14:21, which defines love, which makes way for John 14:23 one's habitation becomes a dwelling place for Perfect Love in the work of Sanctification of the Spirit unto obedience & sprinkling of the Blood/Life of Jesus.

thus "for our profit, that we might be partakers of His holiness.

Hebrews 12:11 exercising the Grace of God, the Word of Righteousness in discerning between Good & evil,, there's suffering in the Cross to learn righteousness. 1Pet 4:1

Then we have Job, who God said is perfect, Job 2:3; which trials, suffering & afflictions is of a much higher concept than punishment for disobedience, James 5:11

Hebrews 11:33 for this purpose "obtain a better resurrection"

one eighty, you would do well to live out your call name.

your in darkness, deceived; dwelling, speaking & judging falsely against God

Ephesians 5:13, therefore, Ephesians 5:14

In Love & Truth

Hi Saved2,

My understanding if I remember this correctly, in 605 BC Nebuchadnezzar required Jehoiakim's loyalty to Babylon and this is when Daniel who was one of the sons of the Judean nobility was taken to Babylon. Daniel became a prophet by God and we have the Book of Daniel of what God revealed to Daniel during his captivity.

The only prophet who was captive in Babylon was Ezekiel, who was taken captive in 587 BC along with thousands of others, Ezekiel died before the 70 years were fulfilled. Jeremiah was imprisoned by Zedekiah to silence him. In 586 BC the last siege on Jerusalem when it and the temple were destroyed. Jerimiah was captured but before they got to Babylon he escaped and fled to Egypt, with other Judeans. I believe Jerimiah also died before the 70 years of captivity was up.

Hope this helps,

God bless,

RLW

Jeremiah as well as Daniel.

please remember me and my daughters and their families in your prayers today

:) u rock !

Nicely explained , thank you .

Thank Gigi :) I was careful not to say wether I think divorce and remarriage are wrong or right , my position genuinely is , that it's not my place to judge this matter , if it is a sin then it's one of many that are commited every day by Christians who will all have to give account of themselves before Christ . He is my judge and theirs and yours . Only God is pure and understands each of us , better than we understand ourselves .

(Please disregard the earlier post which was unedited)

Ge.2:1-3 Overview

Before we get on with the creation of man we need to keep two things in mind. The Spirit in narrating redemption of the world from its fallen state uses people places and events which are visible as God calling forth Abram. "Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:" It is an individual call where both heaven and the earth are interacting. It may have bearing on the mass migrations occurring at that period of time during which his father dies en route. But it is no matter. Nevertheless heaven interfaces with the earth.

Against the backdrop of rise and fall of nations that we shall come across sporadically, the Spirit does not change the MOU carried in the seven articles of the abstract. For instance "And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters" (Ge.1:2b) is in harmony with God making Adam a living soul.(2:7) The specific action does not contradict the abstract.

Not so obvious is this incident in the Book of Joshua. "And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies."( Josh 10:13) Compare a similar expression in Re.19:17 the angel in the sun refers to the sun of righteousness and what are the sun and the moon but signs.(" and let them be for signs"-1:14) It is helpful to keep Col.1:16-17 in mind. "And by him all things consist." Ignoramuses reading the Bible with their reason babble nonsense while the Spirit is specific and comparing the spiritual with spiritual is imperative.

Ge.2:1-3 Overview

Before we get on with the crearion of man we need to keep two things in mind. The Spirit in narrating the word from its fallen state uses people places and events which are visible as God calling forth Abram."Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:" It is an individual call where both heaven and the earth are interacting. It may have bearing on the mass migrations occurring at that period of time during which his father dies en route. Nevertheless heaven interfaces with the earth.

Against the backdrops or rise and fall of nations that we shall come across sporadically does not change the MOU carried in the seven articles of the abstract. For instance "And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters" (Ge.1:2b) is in harmony with God making Adam a living soul.(2:7) The specific action does not contract the abstract.

Not so obvious is this incident in the Book of Joshua. "And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies."( Josh 10:13) Compare a similar expression in Re.19:17 the angel in the sun refers to the sun of righteousness and what are the sun and the moon but signs.(" and let them be for signs"-1:14) It is helpful to keep Col.1:16-17 in mind. "And by him all things consist." Ignoramus reading the Bible with their reason babble nonsense while the Spirit is specific and comparing the spiritual with spiritual is imperative

God called out Abraham according to his own purpose and Lot owing to his loyalty to his uncle followed him. The Spirit instructs us where Lot made his choice to settle down the plains. He made his personal experience and rational faculties led him."and beheld all the plain of Jordan, that it was well watered every where, "(Ge.13:10). He was not led by God. It is how modern churches are misled. What nationalism can do for them. Nothing!

Blessings Bro dan,

I appreciate you and your reply. I drove 200 miles today; a bit weary. Thus my reply to yours will be shorter than I prefer at this time. And oh, no need to be sorry.

Although I've read Job, I don't remember Job 28:28. When I read Isaiah 45:7 along with it, it's somewhat confusing. I must now conclude that in order to gain understanding, I must depart from God to do so. Now I'm sorry, because I have to accept that God is evil because God is the Source of "Evil".

Evil makes evil just as fear makes fear and Love creates Itself. Could you please explain which quality you attribute to Satan; evil or love? Perhaps neither? Or maybe just one of these characteristics; if so, then I must assume God and Satan have something in common, and thus share a common purpose.

The New Testament claims if Satan opposes himself and is divided he cannot stand and his end has come. Actually, this principle applies to everything, including God. Personally, I don't believe God is divided. I do believe He is One.

The Bible also states in James that things produce what they are, not what they are not; and furthermore, both fresh water and its OPPOSITE, salt water, cannot flow from the same spring. Thus OPPOSITES cannot flow from the Mind of God. As I've suggested in the past, this would indicate that faith in Love AND fear is the result of a double-minded entity. If someone has faith in God Who is Love, then he MUST ALSO have faith in evil if God is Evil.

Quoting me Scripture is fine, of course. But, I'm fairly familiar with it, and can also read fairly well. What would be helpful is reconciling what appears as irreconcilable, i.e. opposing; with something unambiguous, leading to an obvious conclusion. This would be helpful also, because obviousness IS the essential characteristic of reality, i.e. truth. And I'm quite certain the ego is afraid of the obvious.

Peace

Isaiah 63:7-11

I will mention the lovingkindnesses of the Lord, and the praises of the Lord, according to all that the Lord hath bestowed on us, and the great goodness toward the house of Israel, which he hath bestowed on them according to his mercies, and according to the multitude of his lovingkindnesses.

8 For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Saviour.

9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.

10 But they REBELLED, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he -THE HOLY SPIRIT- was turned to be their ENEMY, and he FOUGHT against them.

11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?

Psalm 51:11-13

11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.

13 Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.

Giannis

TKL said he "knows the reference "Holy Ghost" did not exist in the OT" .

1John 5:7-There are three that bear record in heaven,the Father,the Word,and the Holy Spirit(who is not a ghost as is written in English language,but a Person):and these three are One.

Actually the Holy Spirit as a person is very similar to the Son of man,my Lord JESUS,but he has no light of his own as JESUS has,he has not message of his own,as JESUS had and has,and he as a person is very unknown because he has no genealogy as JESUS has,he has a written name,it is quite true,but his name is unknown,no man knows the name of the person of the Holy Spirit,despite being written,and being he SIMILAR to the Son of man-JESUS.In other words,BY ANALOGY,JESUS is the Sun,the Sun of Righteousness,JESUS is the Greater Light,the Greater Luminary,but the person of the Holy Spirit has no light of his own,he is the Lesser Luminary,as the moon is in the Solar system,the moon has not his own light,its light is from the Sun,is the reflection of Solar light.

That said,the light that the person of the Holy Spirit reflects is not from Himself,no,it is not,absolutely not,in fact he reflects the Light that he receives from JESUS,as the moon receives the Light from the Sun. I say this by the Word of the Father,by the Word of my GOD, the Father, as JESUS said: John 16:12-15 &15:26

12 I still have much to say to you, but you cannot bear it now.

13But when that Spirit of truth comes,he will guide you into all truth, for HE WILL NOT SPEAK OF HIMSELF,but he will speak whatever he hears and he will declare to you what is to come

14He will glorify me,for he will receive what is mine and declare it to you.

15All that the Father has is mine;therefore he told you that (HE)WILL RECEIVE WHAT IS MINE and will declare it to you.

The Person of the Holy Spirit is not a"Ghost" as is written in English language,the Person of the Holy Spirit is one of the three DISTINCTS Persons in GOD the Father,in the Word, the Word is GOD.

I agree with Bro. Dan. These verses come to mind. 2 Corinthians 2:6 "Sufficient to such a man is this punishment, which was inflicted of many". Hebrews 10:29 "Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?" Roman 11:22 sums up what Bro. Dan said. Note that this what we need to "behold" when we view God. "Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."

TKL,

Thank you so much for your reply. If I may ask, what prompted you to send me these two pieces of scripture from Matthew and Psalms?

I do agree with you that one single word can make a difference. I think that's why we as English speaking bible believers can't agree on certain things. English is such a general language where certain words can have multiple meanings.

If we take the word ghost and the word spirit, it's easy to see how we might come up with different meanings to those two words. But as Giannis has shared with you, the term Holy Ghost and Holy Spirit are the exact same in the original text which was used by those who translated that text into English.

So with what brother Giannis has shared, I don't believe there is a distinction between Holy Ghost and Holy Spirit.

Again, thank you for your reply!

Hello TKL

May I intervene?

The grk for Holy Ghost is Agio Pneuma, the grk for Holy Spirit is again Agio Pneuma. There is no difference. There is a difference in Engl. but in other languages there isn't such, especially in grk. Why did the translators of the KJB use the word ghost instead of spirit? Because it how it was called 400 years ago but not nowadays. The difference between OT and NT is not a matter of words but a matter of function. The Holy Spirit in the old days didn't dwel inside the bodies of believers, this was done after Jesus ascended to His Father after His resurrection and was given the Spirit who he since that time sends to believers .In the OT the Spirit did not reside permanently in any person, even in the case of the prophets, the Spirit was coming upon them, they prophesied and then He was gone until the next time. This is obvious in the case of Saul the first king. It says somewhere that the Spirit came to him and he prophesied, then the Spirit went away and an evil spirit came by and was torturing him, then after sometime again the Spirit came to him and prophesied again.thus showing that the Spirit was not residing permanently inside believers but was coming and going . GBU

TKL:

Christ is TRUTH

If you don't believe that the OLD TIME ( 2 Peter 1:21) is speaking of the Old Testament prophets then Luke 24:45 is FOR YOU, not me..

God Bless you, as the spirit of truth (Holy Ghost) destroyers you carnal mind.

Sister Jema:

Most believe what man says not what God says.

God's words are always fulfilled.

John 5:43 I (the man, Jesus Christ) come in my Father's NAME and ye receive me (the spirit of truth) not: if another MAN come is his OWN NAME, him ye will receive.

You know them by their fruits.

Not their appearance, the words from their lips.

Isaiah 57:19 ..... I CREATE the FRUIT of the LIPS ..... ONLY when one is BAPTISED into the NAME of Jesus ...... does ones lips speak the same words as OUR LORD, the overseer of out lips.

Psalms 17:4 Concerning the works of men, by the words of THY LIPS (that that may be ONE as WE ARE ONE John 17:22) I have keep me from the paths of the destroyer.

Psalms 12:4 Who hath said.... our lips are our own......

God Bless YOU!

God Bless YOU!

Zechariah 12:1-4

1The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

2Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.

3And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

4In that day, saith the LORD, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness.

Verse 1 demonstrates that the God of all creation has specific plans for Israel. Verses 2-4 show how Armageddon will transpire; when all nations fight Israel and are drawn to Armageddon ( Rev. 16:13-14). Eventually as in other earlier campaigns; God's enemies in some part will start to fight one another; although Christ personally destroys the armies in the valley of Armageddon itself. These verses show what is happening first in Judah (the southern part of Israel) then in Jerusalem itself.

Verses 5 through 7 discuss the "governors of Judah" which may have been the representatives such as Nehamiah and those commissioned to rule by Persia at that time; but certainly there are end time ramifications here as to what I mentioned above; Judah being saved first.

Verse 8 then talks about supernatural strength against enemies among the residents of Jerusalem. Verse 9 shows how God Himself will fight against the enemies. The rest of the passage shows how those in Israel finally recognize their Messiah. Everyone mourns by themselves. Apparently it isn't until the brink of the Second Coming until there is national repentence for those still alive realizing finally who Christ really is and finally have remorse.

Question: Which of the prophet was taken prisoner by the king of babilon?

Jema,

I agree that the OT customs of men having multiple wives and concubines/harems is unlike those of us in western civilization today. Jesus did clarify that in the beginning it was one man one wife. ( Matt. 19:8)(people marrying and divorcing and remarrying)

But due to the hardness of people's hearts, Moses allowed divorce. But Jesus did speak pretty plainly about divorce and remarriage and its relationship to adultery. Today, there is a hardening of people's hearts again concerning marriage, divorce, and remarriage. But just because many believe it is fine and most who divorce remarry doesn't make it right in today's world. I believe what Jesus said concerning divorce and remarriage. AND I will always be sensitive to those who are living against Jesus' standard, but I will not agree with them that it is morally o.k.

On this topic we will disagree, Jema. We can move on to other matters. I am glad you shared your view and I, too, want to be compassionate to others, but without compromising what Jesus has set as a correct moral standard.

Was the holy ghost present in the old testament?

2 peter 1:21 for the prophecy came not in the old (testament) time by the will of man; but holy men of god spake as they were moved by the holy ghost.

god bless you!

Oh ok GOD bless you and your sons