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I would think Hagar was given from being a servant to a wife as a second wife. Philip may have been divorced it doesn't say here either. As to bondage; it depends on the meaning of the word; the original language seems to indicate that there is no longer any need to continue in the commitment of marriage duties when someone wishes to leave but the term is different than forced labor; or a marriage covenant. That's how I see it; scripture doesn't contradict. Obviously, there were rules such as Deut. 24 so it was happening although multiple marriages occurred in the O.T. with men (don't see women doing that). Apparently God recognized it to some extent or He wouldn'thave heeded Leah then Rachel having children with Jacob. There were goings on with concubines which was clearly adultery but God tolerated it in the past just as allowed for a time Deut 24 (notice the Pharisees said Moses commanded it but the real reason Jesus illustrated).

Ge.2:2 "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made."

What is the significance of the seventh day? This is the day "This is the day the Lord has made." (Ps.118:24) Without the mention of the Son whose fulness is totally invested in it what shall this Psalm quote would lead to" An epicure shall make of this clause "We will rejoice and be glad in it," as license to justify his pleasures without any restraint. God is clear, "You are My Son,

Today I have begotten You."(Ps.2:7-NKJV) This decree is what we have examined in the Ch.1. So now is the day of Salvation because the day stands for the Son in whom all things consist. Col.1:16-17 .

The Abstract that forms the chapter puts all things,,"that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him," does not take to another interpretation. Heroes of faith despite of some egregious personal faults double in the narrative for him. God divided the light from darkness.(Ge.1:4b) When the angels of God confronted Jacob he called the place Mahanaim. "He said, This is God's host: and he called the name of that place Mahanaim."(Ge.32:2). The Spirit elliptically explains its significance when he divided the goods for Esau who was coming to meet him. He made ensure that he and his family were secure while his gifts of appeasement did its work to send him away. The distinction between children of light and of disobedience continue ever since God willed there can be no concord between light and darkness.Similarly in the revolt of Korah brothers, we have a separation, "Speak unto the congregation, saying, Get you up from about the tabernacle of Korah, Dathan, and Abiram.(Nu.16:24) the Spirit warns us,"And what concord hath Christ with Belial?" (2 Co.6:15). Either Christ or with Belial and there is no middle ground.

thank you Sister , i keep you in my prayers

please remember me and my family today in your prayers

Ge.2:1-3

Here we have the Spirit reviewing the abstract preceding with his marginal notes as it were, 'Thus the heavens and the earth were finished.'

The divine Will is multilayered so the slain Lamb as an emblem has same consistency as the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world. Jesus Christ the same is paraphrased by a tag 'the heavens' and putting to much emphasis on three heavens is merely overkill. The fulness of Jesus Christ gives him preeminence whether we consider the heaven, the earth and below the earth. What concerns us that Jesus after death preached to the spirits in prison. It highlights by the same token this fulness as he ascended to the heaven after resurrection. The Spirit uses number 7 to indicate completeness so the spirit that left his first state is shown having seven heads(Re.12:3) The ten horns however established he is already judged when Satan appears as the red dragon or works through the beast (Re.13:1).

Jesus preaching to spirits in prison (1 Pe.3:19) creates a tag. The number 8 as we find in this verse,"Cast thy bread upon the waters: for thou shalt find it after many days./Give a portion to seven, and also to eight." Also to eight is a clear reference to it. This has a bearing on the Four and twenty elders as memorial in heaven encompass the heaven the earth and below. The 24 elders (8x3) are not patriarchs of Israel and the disciples of Jesus combined. They instead represent the fulness of the Son.For this reason they worship him continuually, "for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."(Re.4:11)

I would like to ask two questions

. Bearing in mind that we Christians are not under the law of Moses , do you , any of you , think that because something is ' against scripture ' that this means , for 100 per cent certainty , that it is against God's Will ?

Next question , if we answered ' no , we cannot be 100 per cent certain that because something is against scripture that it is automatically against God's Will ' then how can we tell some one else that they can't do this that or the other ? There are of course exceptions , none of us should be doing anything against the laws of our land or things that we know are absolutely wrong such as murder , rape , physical violence , theft etc . But the permutations can be endless ! There are so many nuances to us humans and to life in these extremely imperfect kingdoms of men . The real law is the law of love and our touchstone should always be love ,God's love and Christ's love first and then human love . This is where prayer and the Spirit of Truth come in . For sure we humans will get things wrong , we are not pure , not one of us . Therefore mistakes will be made . But we must never doubt God's enormous love for us , His understanding of our weak nature and our needs and , His enormous capacity for forgiveness . We may suffer the consequences of our actions in this life , but God is very generous and merciful . We must never look down on any brother or sister for making a mistake , and in my opinion , to totally close the door on someone is a dangerous thing to do , to them and to ourselves .

"And the evening and the morning were the sixth day."

Here we shall consider the significance of the number Six. God blessed His creation and also placed him in charge, "Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet" (Ps.8:6). His blessings are irrevocable. Thus the Spirit explains the word of God and his holiness to which we shall mention his faith in particular. If anyone should deny it he makes God a liar. "He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." ( 1 John 2:4) Faith without works is dead and Jesus gave a direct answer to what one means by works of God. It is to believe in the Son who whom he sent. The son of perdition is tagged by number 666, indicating he is damned. For this reason the Spirit gives us a clue. Satan has found a body as in the case of the serpent in the fall of man, and the beast and the false prophet are embodiment of it. In the vision of St John, "And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet./ For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world,"(Re.16:13-14) Number 6 is a tag for the body spirit and soul.

Coming back to the everlasting covenant between God and Man we read in the Ch.2 thus." And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it:"(Ge.2:3). This seventh 'day' is the culmination, the point their covenant comes in effect. What remains a day decreed for the Son. (Ps.2:7)

For this reason we have the word of God, "And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good." When God and Man have both found the articles we considered hitherto as good who shall contradict it? (1 Pe.1:19). We have been purchased by the blood of the Lamb. The slain Lamb in the divine Will is same as Jesus Christ is same yesterday, today and forever.

...they must live their lives without human love , affection and comfort ? We know from a wealth of experience , what happens to people who are not permitted to give and receive human affection and romance , just look at the catholic church ! People who have had to live without physical love ( and I mean love not sex ) are deeply affected by this , it can cause all sorts of mental health issues . As a baby , and I mean a baby , i was denied affection . No one was allowed to cuddle me , I was only held when I was fed . As a consequence I'm not much of a hugger :) . It's a dangerous thing to deny a human the comfort of a loved ones cuddle and body heat . I would say that I am not to judge . They will stand before their Redeemer and He will pass judgement . I shall hold my peace .

Hi Gigi , yes this is a hot topic ! Human relationships always are because they involve human emotions which can be extremely powerful . My congregation in the past has been very strict on this matter . Brothers and sisters have even been disfellowshiped because they haven't married people from our denomination . As the decades have rolled by we are very slightly more lenient , but only slightly ! With regards to what to do about people who have married , as you put it , outside of the Lord's will : firstly we cannot be one hundred per cent sure that that is the case , people might disagree with me on this I'm sure :) . Remember that we are not under the law . When I first joined my congregation as a single young woman , a brother was interested in me and his wife , who had been a member , had left and divorced him but not for adultery . As it happened I was not conflicted about this because I wasn't attracted to him . However I did notice that his affection for me caused a stir among the other members . My best friend in the congregation was an elderly sister who had been married twice , ( to fellow members ) her first husband died and her second was divorced because his wife left him for another man . When she married her second husband they were both disfellowshiped instantly without any discussion . This was heart breaking to them as they are both devoted to God . After about a year , discussions started , they had to admit that what they had done was against scripture and repent but ! They were not forced to divorce , this is just adding sin to sin , plus I don't think that they would have divorced . Personally , I don't believe that falling in love is ever a sin , some times unadvisable :) but there is no sin in genuine love . We have had members choose to marry ' against scripture ' and have just left us rather than be kicked out :( this is very sad to me .God brings people into our lives for a reason , who are we to tell fellow Christians that...see 2

Rapture and Tribulation does not change Salvation and Grace, it just takes those who are ready. Tribulation is for God to get His people to turn back to Him and never want to turn again. Gentiles will be there too. The Anti-christ is the King of the North (from the tribe of Dan, Jewish decent)

Raptured before Tribulation are in Rev 5:9-10 in Heaven before Chapter 6,and so on.

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Hello Giannis,

Thank you so much for responding to my question. When you ask: "When the state/people are punishing criminals, why is it surprising that God acts similarly?" My answer is that God is higher than us. His ways are not our ways. You also stated: "They wish a God who loves them, but they don't wish to love others." My response to that is that we cannot compare God to us. We can't judge what God does by what we do. We are trying to be like God. God is not trying to be like us! I am just not comfortable believing that God resorts to violence. I do, however, resonate with the part of your response that says: "It is true that we don't have answers to every question, but we can rely on that we believe in a righteous God who is determined to reward" Thank you, again for responding to my question.

TKL,

When I read the statement: "The (Holy Ghost) first shows up in the Bible in the New Testament," my response (if I would have chosen to give one) would have been similar to GiGi's response.

True, Jimbob uses the term Holy Ghost, not Holy Spirit or Spirit of God, but are they not all the same Spirit?

So, if they are the same Spirit (which I believe they are), even though the term Holy Ghost is not mentioned in the Old Testament, the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit/Spirit of God/Gods Spirit, whichever phrase you wish to use, can all be found working throughout the OT, regardless of which term is used.

If someone chooses to say Holy Ghost, and the other person chooses to say Holy Spirit or Spirit of God, it's all the same Spirit, and that Spirit (Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost) is found in the OT.

I do not see any mistreatment by GiGi here, and if Jimbob feels he is being mistreated, I think he would say so. He's been upfront with me in some of our conversations in the past so I think he would speak for himself if he felt that he was being mistreated. Just my thoughts!

Finally, I did consider responding before GiGi did, but there is a reason why I chose not to. I had a suspicion where this was headed right from the very beginning. It seems as though I chose wisely.

Oseas,

Thank you for this information. I do agree that the nail scars were visible in His hands. As far as being nailed in each foot, scripture does not give us that. Can you please share your source of that information?

Also, I am trying to figure out how the entire second half of your post has anything to do with the question that was asked. Can you help me out there also?

Thanks again for sharing!

1 Corinthians 15:v.45-46

45 ...The first man Adam was made a living soul;the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual,but that which is natural;and afterward that which is spiritual.

Well, since the beginning the Word-i.e. GOD-had planned to make man in His image,but how once He is Spirit?GOD sent JESUS about 4000 years after Adam,the first earthly man.And JESUS said:My Father works hitherto,and I work- John 5:17.Notice that when JESUS said this, still very recently He was in the bosom of the Word- John 1:18-,but now He already was in person working together with the Word, i.e.GOD tghe Father, and it at the age 30 or so,then He revealed that His Father was still working, although it was the beginning of the fifth Day. But Jesus knew what He was talking about, so He said: I and my Father are One.

The Word-i.e. GOD-is Spirit. How could man see an image of the Spirit? What is its image of the Spirit? It would be impossible to describe, unless it be created materially, physically, its own image. This explains why Israel always was tempted by the Devil to create an image of GOD for to worship it, and they made even a golden calf.

According to the Word, first He needed to create an image from He Himself and that's what God did, and thus JESUS was born in the turn of the fourth to the fifth Day or in the turn of fourth to the fifth millennium. GOD sent JESUS, for"He loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. GOD sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world;but that the world through Him might be saved.He that believeth on Him is not condemned:but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the NAME of the only begotten Son of GOD, JESUS.And this is the condemnation,that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil"- John 3:v.16 to 19.

Larryc, and Jesse, and Jim Miller

JESUS was nailed exactly in the center of His hands on the lines that form the figure of an M. And was also nailed in each foot , nailed close to the heel, in the calcaneus region.

Luke 24:36-43

36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and SUPPOSED that they HAD SEEN A SPIRIT.

38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?

39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for A SPIRIT HATH NOT FLESH AND BONES as ye see me have.

40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them His HANDS and his FEET.

41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?

42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

In fact GOD allowed His Son JESUS to be taken to the slaughter like a sheep,but the way He would be killed was not chosen by GOD the Father,but by the Devil,that is the old Serpent,and Satan;and the object that was chosen by the Devil was the satanic CROSS for killing JESUS,for torturing Him,and for humiliation,and mockery, and for the most cruel suffering,until death.JESUS already knew the satanic plan of the Devil- Matthew 26:2-Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover,and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.

To take up the cross is to suffer for the love of JESUS,to suffer for the preaching of His Gospel,suffering to testify of His Word in the Devil's world,to suffer for the preaching of His teachings within the Devils's world,to suffer testifying of the redeeming work of JESUS for the corrupt world of Devil,whose work cost his own life by dying on the man-made cross, Devil's cross.Devil's cross that many have on their avatar,the satanic cross that devilish Catholicism kisses and adores, understand? CROSS IS CURSE.

Brother Richard:

Matthew 3:22...Except those days of the great tribulation be SHORTENED, no flesh could BE SAVED.

You say your pretrib

The above scripture says you CANNOT be saved till after the great tribulation.

The word says WE ARE SAVED by the RESURRECTION of Christ.

The great tribulation had to happen before Christ was RESURRECTED.

The great tribulation was from the time Christ entered the garden till he DIED on the cross.

The doctrines of men has polluted the words of God.

God Bless YOU!

I understand these prophetic verses ok. As a let's just say, a lifelong "student" of the prophetic, Thanks to our Lord Jesus.. there is no, ok.. no 7 YEAR trib. I am fully aware of the time of trouble, as well as the many verses that apply to this. I am fully aware of the "tribulation".. the thing I am trying to get across is simply this. The 7 year trib is NOT in the bible. The antichrist making a treaty with Israel is NOT in the bible. Ok, these are false teachings, Hal Lindsey, Jack van Impe, Lahaye... blah blah, should I go on?.. This is a narrative that is being perpetuated by people who are only repeating what they have HEARD. Because, my friend it is not in the bible. You didn't learn the 7 year trib from the bible did you?.. Of course not, none of you did, it's a deception.. do you understand yet?.. I will be more than happy to correspond on here with you or anyone else if you like, in a civil, friendly ,albeit "challenging" manner. These people get on here and throw out a long winded dissertation about things they don't even know. Hey, one of my favorite lines of scripture..Rev.19:10....worship God, for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. May our Lord be praised, love and peace to the bretheren.

GiGi I appreciate your input on this post even though the post said nothing about the Spirit of God. The words (Holy Ghost) is not mentioned in the Old Testament. You commented on this post then you say "I do not wish to engage in this conversation further" when I ask you a question that you didn't want to answer. You were the one who engaged in this conversation. The Truth matters GiGi, you are putting trust in bibles that are nothing but words of men and are not Inspired by God!

Please answer these questions GiGi.

Why would modern version bibles remove the words "through his blood"?

Do you think they are Inspired by God?

Heavenly Father, please answer John's and our plea. Please meet his need at this very moment. We trust in that Your love and mercy. Thank You Father God. In the Mighty Name of Jesus Christ. God bless you John.

Blessings,

The belief that punishment is correction (healing) is clearly insane. Healing and punishment are from opposing sources; one being love, the other fear. Typically, fear is a device used to control, obliterating our free will in which we were lovingly created. To utilize fear for correction is to lack faith in God Who is Love. The opposite of love is fear, yet what is ALL encompassing cannot have an opposite. God is not the author of fear; we are. We have chosen to create unlike Him, which is a miscreation, and have therefore made fear for ourselves. Our belief in fear cannot be resolved through the mastery of continued fear. The true resolution rests entirely on mastery through Love.

Free will is not free will when terror is used to to coerce. God is not a terrorist. But He is eternally patient. 2 Peter 3:9. God is NOT willing that any should perish. Who, except in arrogance can oppose and rise against the will and omnipotence of God. This is ONLY possible in a sleeping state involving dreams accompanied by nightmares.

Wake up oh sleepers, rise from the dead (sleep) and Christ will shine on you.

Peace to all

Blessings Jim Miller,

Respectfully, was it necessary to make your most current post to Jema? I'm not defending her, but I question if this is the ATTITUDE the Holy Spirit directed you to have?

The ego always speaks first. The voice of the Holy Spirit is always quiet, because it speaks of peace. Peace is stronger than war because it heals. None of us gain from strife. Until we silence the ego's voice, we cannot hear the Voice for God; only our own. Be still and know God is Love; then speak.

I'm not singling you out, as I often fail to practice what I preach, due to the ego. I value you and all as a brother or sister in Christ. I consider you and Jema my perfect equal. We who are not at war within our mind must look for brothers and recognize all whom we see as brothers/sisters, because only equals are at peace. Where could our peace arise BUT from forgiveness? The Christ in us looks only on the truth and sees no condemnation that could need forgiveness. He is at peace BECAUSE He sees no sin.

Peace to all.

No problem, praying things get better for you.

Heavenly Father, please answer our plea. That Mssue's oldest son realize that those evil spirits are ruining his life. Father God, also please bless her youngest son with a good paying job. Please give them a hunger for You. In the Mighty Name of Jesus Christ. God bless you Mssue.

It seems scriptural to me that remarriage when a spouse is alive causes the other person to commit adultery as well as the person instigating it. The "escape" clause fits in with Joseph and an espousal; hence the word fornication is used; whereas adultery is used in the next sentence. Corinthians and ROmans explains a woman remarrying when her husband is alive is an adulterer but not when he has died. It seems iron clad to me.

In any case; someone should tell a person to get out of such a marriage God simply doesn't recognize it as a covenant. I had a situation where I could have married someone but God made it clear that I couldn't do it. Others have left such marriages as well. That's how I see it; again I can't say it dogmatically as pastors themselves won't teach it. It is more than cooincidence that I found 2 churches that preached against divorce and remarriage (and I couldn't find any in this state online). They actually haven't preached it yet but the Pastor in my church now at least believes that for Christians. As for nonchristians we have JOhn the Baptist against the marriage of a brother's wife which got him killed; and Abraham and his wife twice who God warned others trying to take her as a "sister" that it was wrong (also Isaac attempted this with Rebekah). Also notice multi marriages but NO divorces for any saints or even sinners in the Bible even in cases like Esther with Vashti who the king ignored; or the wife of Job who told him to curse God and die; she apparently produced more kids later. I don't see abandonment as justification; again seperate or be reconciled.

Sorry if I sound too dogmatic can't see it any other way. I told a friend who is a new pastor that advised someone that did this that he should have told her to leave the guy but he just reassured her. He asked my opinion; don't think he will do that again.

I have much more I could say but unless I can write you privately I suppose this will be all for this forum.

Dear John Ray, I am always happy to pray for you.

Dear Heavenly Father, once again we lift up the needs of John Ray. He is in need of housing. Please cause someone to be generous to him and offer a place to stay for John Ray, either for a night or for long term. May you move someone to commit to help John Ray for he so needs help. Father, we know that You can do all things well, so we trust that You will meet John Ray's needs each day.

We ask this of You Father, in the name of Jesus, your Holy Son. Amen.

Hello again, Richard,

I hope you don't mind me commenting further.

I understand that this is a discussion forum and it is good to lead off threads with topics that can lend well to discussion.

But also, sometimes the Spirit gives us discernment to lead a thread with a topic that He knows will not get much discussion. But the purpose is to just bring out topic or viewpoint that He wants said whether others respond or not, either affirming the view or disagreeing with it.

I do not often feel led to start off a thread, so I don't. I don't always feel led to respond to a post, so I don't. But oftentimes I do feel the Holy Spirit prompting me to respond, and I do. I try not to be in the discussion for myself, but for what the Holy Spirit desires. My viewpoint isn't what is important; obedience to the Spirit is. So, I try to do this His way.

I like to read what others post and think on what they write. Some I agree with wholeheartedy, others I disagree with wholeheartedly. Some I am undecided on and others are not pressing issues for me. Others are very concerning for me, such as when I read things that blaspheme God and His character, misrepresent who He is as revealed in Scripture, and also those things that are outright heresy. These bother me deeply and I must prayerfully respond to what has been stated while continuing to pray and care for the person who stated something that is very wrong and dangerous to other believers.

All in all, I have learned a great deal, have needed to study Scripture more closely on some topics to discover what is really being taught in Scriptures, and am encouraged that so many people truly have a passion for knowing God, His truth, and His will.

Hi Richard,

Just wondering how speaking your view on divorce and remarriage would get you booted off this forum? Would it be from others reporting to admin your post? I am not sure how this forum works regarding that. When I read so many posts that promote obvious heretical doctrines concerning God and His nature, Jesus and His nature and work, and deification of man and these do not get taken down, how would someone who disapproves of remarriage after divorce for believers be worthy of censure?

I guess I would hope that people on here would not be so quick to want to silence viewpoints on here or other forums. We, as believers, need to be responsible in learning the major tenets of the Christian faith and stand firm on those, being willing to address heretical doctrines. But when it comes to topics that are not core Christian beliefs, we should be gracious and speak our minds on what we believe even when it is not the same view as another poster and not be slandered, have our maturity in Christ or trueness of our conversion be questioned. Everyone has topics that they are quite sensitive on and we should recognize these topics for ourselves so that we will resolve to approach a differing view with kindness and calmness.

The topic of OSAS is not a cardinal doctrine in my view as there are many differing views that can have biblical support for these views. They are not false teachings but what is termed heterodoxy. While I do think that the doctrine of the Second Coming of Christ is a cardinal doctrine, meaning it is clearly taught in Scripture. But the teaching on the Rapture is not a cardinal doctrine. It has not been taught consistently throughout the centuries and is not explicitly taught in Scriptures. So disagreeing on this topic is one that can be permitted as long was we do not beat each other up over it. It tends to be a topic that gets people hot under the collar, but it isn't such for me.

Let's do everything in love.

Hello Richard,

Thanks for the response. Appreciated.

I do share your view on divorce and remarriage pretty much. I think there are exceptions, especially between people when one spouse abandons the marriage for someone else. It seems Jesus gives this exception. But it is not necessarily a blanket endorsement for people to rush into another relationship when this happens. God will lead such people in the way they should go.

In most churches I am aware of pastors approve of divorce and remarriage for any reason and gladly performs such remarriages. some pastors and members say that as long as one repents of the first sexual encounter as adultery then all relations after that are o.k. and not ongoing adultery. I guess they do not know how preposterous this sounds. If one murders another and repents, then, according to their reasoning, this person can habitually kill other people after that and it is not sinful or murder. Or, if one has one abortion, and then repents, then they can continue to have abortions whenever they wish and it is not sinful or killing another person. I could go on and on giving absurd examples of this reasoning. But people will say that remarriage is different than other sins. I ask "How" and they usually cannot give me an answer.

With all of this said, I think that people who find themselves in a marriage that is failing are in such a hurtful and vulnerable place. And when the divorce does happen, then it is very difficult for some to face the rest of their lives as a single person. But I believe God will give the grace to any who wish to live obediently to what the Lord has commanded on this subject. But it may be a difficult road to travel.

My big question would be: "What do we do about those who have remarried against the Lord's command?"

I'm sure you are aware of my view on the Pretrib Rapture; and dispensationalism and OSAS. No need to elaborate since you have read many of my posts. I don't really care-I have had friends in a church I attended in Pittsburgh that are amillenialists; but loved the Lord and were more interested in His coming than those who call themselves PreTribbers in the other churches I have attended. Others I knew were in the Reformed church and Post Mils.

You probably know that I espouse covenant as well as dispensational viewpoints; I see free will as not contradicting predestination as God works through things just like; for example he did with Judas to accomplish His purposes. And of course a certain number will be saved and damned in the end; which God foreknew even if it wasn't what they call "double predestination" for someone to be lost.

What I am really interested in is whatever discernment the Lord has given me into the spiritual dimension. It leads me to say things that are not readily understood and I have never attempted to grow in that area largely because it isn't the most popular gift to have. Also of course we all want to be ready whenever we get to the time we are to be absent from the body or Christ comes for His church.

Again your comments on God's attributes and such..I am finishing my Zechariah study then will try to delve into your suggestions. It seems there are less questions of late; at least of significance-not sure if it is a trend. Finding it header; therefore to delve into topics people are interested in. I'm trying to include things I learn from news; my church and personal stories. I have a particular calling in terms of speaking out against divorce and remarriage from personal experience when a spouse is still alive. Since being dogmatic could take me off this forum; maybe you could pray where I can find a venue for it.

Guess I won't say anymore here God has made this clear to me though as a calling.

Agape Rich P

Jimbob,

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We have had this discussion several times already. In my post I just wanted to point out that the Spirit of God is mentioned in many places in the OT.

Otherwise, I do not wish to engage with you in this conversation further.